The strange and mysterious phase
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From: Self
I continue to feel a set of sensations that has started since my recommencement of practise after my short break.
These sensations are present most of the time. It is not concerning me or feels unpleasant in any way.
The feeling is like the turbulence I described earlier, my body undergoes subtle shifts and little shiver-like movements almost like observing my body going about its daily business of living. Once in a while I experience the odd echo effect and waves spontaneously. It feels like the waves and echo effects are bubbling just under the surface and it wouldn't take much to make things happen! Just breathing sometimes brings on echo effects of various magnitudes.
Maybe it is me just recognising the ongoing viceral processes I hadn't really noticed or been sensitive to from before, or a more conscious sensing of a period of reconfiguring/re-awakeing going on AT SOME LEVEL?
Or is something gonna blow? (run for the hills!)
I'll keep you posted! :-)
Z
Posted: 27 Oct 2006 02:28 AM
From: Jack
All of the above, Z!
Yes, I really think what you're experiencing is your innate multiorgasmic response continuing to awaken after (fill in your age) years of slumber.
Posted: 28 Oct 2006 01:57 AM Originally Posted: 27 Oct 2006 07:51 PM
From: tantros
Hi Zeit,
I always watch for your posts with interest and sympathy. (Been somewhat self-fixated recently...). I've had a history of vertigo, though nothing really severe for quite a while. (I tend to live a lot in my head, I'm a composer). I have noticed - especially these last 3 weeks when I've been very tuned in sexually - that I sometimes have a hot head, disorientation, sometimes a bit of staggering. (Fresh Mid-Western air helps, after all the prevailing air-conditioning). I keep a check on my breathing, following a session, excercising the whole diaphragm. Also, I sense that I am kind of 'live' throughout my body, possibly to excess -'hyper-aesthesia'?? - and for that reason I am going to give myself a little fast. It doesn't sound as though a break has done you any harm at all!
Good luck, mate -
TANTROS
Posted: 28 Oct 2006 09:54 AM Originally Posted: 28 Oct 2006 09:31 AM
From Self
Hi Tantros!
I'd like to say firstly that I'm humbled to have reached the milestone of 2500 views on the ccwerks forum of these series of posts...
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>I always watch for your posts with interest and sympathy.
> (Been somewhat self-fixated recently...).
> I've had a history of vertigo, though nothing really severe for quite a while.
I'm sorry to hear that but glad to know its ok at the moment...
>(I tend to live a lot in my head, I'm a composer).
Believe me, I think most of us do!
>...these last 3 weeks when I've been very tuned in sexually... I
>sometimes have a hot head, disorientation,
> sometimes a bit of staggering. (Fresh Mid-Western air helps, after all the prevailing air-conditioning).
I'm sorry to hear that...
>I keep a check on my breathing, following a session, excercising the whole diaphragm.
That is GOOD Tantros, especially downwards as if into the legs and feet for the protocol... I've found that breathing like that can bring on the waves without the key sound...
>Also, I sense that I am kind of 'live'
>throughout my body, possibly to excess ->'hyper-aesthesia'?? -
Not necessarily so, that liveness may be your increasing awareness of what's happening in your body - I've noticed that Aneros users have a hightened sensitivity compared to non-users such as myself. Maybe you will surprise yourself with your progress although this is with the caveat that your body is ready - maybe you will find MO before me!
That said, if you are concerned about any specific feelings, I advise you to visit a medical practitioner to make sure everything is ok.
>and for that reason I am going to give
>myself a little fast. It doesn't sound as
> though a break has done you any harm at all!
Hey enjoy any small break Tantros, I've really found a break does ramp up progress in so many surprising ways. You'll find out!
Don't be too surprised by the paradoxical effects of a rest.
I had a regular handy session today, I've found a quickie does not disturb the energy building pattern of KSMO practice.
I found after the Ej+O, I continued to breathe fully and downwards and enjoyed some massive waves that felt I was actually moving in waves physically with some sweet orgsmic aftershocks disguised as echo effects in my limbs.
>Good luck, mate -
AND to you, 'T'
ALL the best!
'Z'
Posted: 01 Nov 2006 10:34 AM
From Tantros
Hi Z.
>
>I'd like to say firstly that
>I'm humbled to have reached
>the milestone of 2500 views of
>these series of posts...
>
I'm not surprised! What attracts me and inspires me - and I guess others - is the sanguine attitude you bring to checks and placid passages: I don't flap anything like I used to! (I'm actually using you as a kind of pace-maker).
>especially downwards as if
>into the legs and feet for the
>protocol... I've found that
>breathing like that can bring
>on the waves without the key
>sound...
>
Me too.
>I've
>noticed that Aneros users have
>a hightened sensitivity
>compared to non-users such as
>myself. Maybe you will
>surprise yourself with your
>progress although this is with
>the caveat that your body is
>ready - maybe you will find MO
>before me!
>
'Whenever...'. NO contest!! I usually only use Aneros for high days and holidays. (The last weeks in USA have been exceptional). Back to a more restricted life now; and maybe a situation in which I may be more likely to be 'surprised by joy'.
>I had a regular handy session
>today, I've found a quickie
>does not disturb the energy
>building pattern of KSMO
>practice.
>
>I found after the Ej+O, I
>continued to breathe fully and
>downwards and enjoyed some
>massive waves that felt I was
>actually moving in waves
>physically with some sweet
>orgsmic aftershocks disguised
>as echo effects in my limbs.
Snap!
Now I must get my nerd-ish head around Wiki..
All the best - TANTROS
Posted: 05 Nov 2006 03:28 AM Originally Posted: 05 Nov 2006 03:17 AM
From Self.
Hi Tantros!
Welcome back!
snip - >'Whenever...'. NO contest!!<
Sure, no competition was intended. :-) I wanted to ensure you were not under the impression that one's development and indeed one's starting place need necessarily be at the same stage. However, I reckon that reading posts like these and others with the empathy circuits fully open, accelerates progress! :-D
For me, I was drawing from the reserve 'energy' tank for years, emptying on a daily basis so the reserve tank never had a chance to fill - let alone the MAIN tank. :-o
Your attitude tho' is spot on; You're doing GREAT!
This really _is_ a strange and mysterious phase! Over the last couple of sessions of KS practice, I've had a momentary full body feeling of pleasure that 'flashed' like a camera bulb. During the KS practice two days ago, I began to have a feeling low down in the torso which grew in size until it filled my body, a very intense feeling - one of the constituents of sexual experiences - it equates to 'sore' compared to pain terms (if that means anything to anyone else) that reached a peak then levelled off. At the same time the waves filled me and seemed to dominate in one single wave pattern, the waves felt almost physical - yet it wasn't exactly a 'full' orgasmic peak experience. Maybe a large part of it? But it WAS a unified body response. Yesterday, another KS practice yet this time, similar low level signals but no repeat of the experience. Confusing!?!? well, to my concious mind anyway! We'll see...
Has anyone else got an unconcious mind with its own agenda?
As human experience and particularly men's experience is limited in the labelling of each sexual distinction, I seem to have experienced five main types or categories of sexual feelings. I provisionally catalogue the types here. As there is no apparent 'label' yet given to these, I make a simile/metaphor with those of pain for each type. I accept that in reality, there may well be an infinite shade of feeling but its useful to signpost what may be felt at this stage.
- Waves that feel like a pulse and effects the whole body. Brought on by breathing down deep/valley breathing, during initial thoughts to the end of a session.
- 'Ache'; a light _lingering_ feeling - similar to feelings felt in the penis during erection.
- 'Electric'; a _lingering_ feeling felt on the surface skin - particularly around the perineum and base of the penis.
- 'Stabbing'/Sharp'; an intense _momentary feeling like those felt in the penis close to/at orgasm.
- 'Sore'; a deep 'core' feeling, _persistent_ and maybe similar to that when a partner overstimulates and feels a bit too much.
I haven't mentioned Echo effects as the INITIAL tingling/fizzing in the limbs or torso may develop into ANY of the above.
Sometimes a location can be attributed to a feeling although there are a few occasions when one feels it without location - an experience of mind.
What's on YOUR mind? :-)
BTW, I've found that if I have an deep emotional experience - furball or otherwise, its best to wait a day to let the mind integrate those important changes before continuing KSMO practice. :-)
Timely; just before my last KS session, there was the most beautiful sunset which really moved me..
more soon!
'Z'
Posted: 07 Nov 2006 05:15 AM Originally Posted: 06 Nov 2006 02:16 AM
From: Self
I had full-bodied sex last night!
Well, although it was short of a Full Bodied Orgasm, I'm not complaining! :-)
All through yesterday my body kept feeding me the most delightful echo effects of various shades (spasms, aches, stabs, deep core feelings) until I 'relented' late last night to a KS protocol session brought about by their urgency.
The waves were evident before I began the session. So I relaxed as much as I could and began a series of key sounds. It sounded and felt as much as it ever did recently (calibration) however, the echo effects that began to appear were the sweetest, most delicious feelings that began to spread all over my body and at some point ( Apologies, I wasn't able to concentrate on the bedside clock closeby, I was somewhat 'diverted'), my whole body began to glow with 'that' most delightful and beautiful intense ache which began and continued to permeate my whole writhing body and mind. As the tears flowed; I breathed and Key'ed in a sort of synchronism. I continued to luxuriate in those full bodied, estatic, feelings for some considerable time...
...until I decided at some point that it would be a good time and ecological to warm down and go to sleep.
This is a really significant point; a step change in my ongoing progress.
Today, I'm allowing my body to rest and recharge.
(Phew!)
'Z'
Posted: 08 Nov 2006 04:14 AM PDT
From: Self
Hi folks!
Its been a while since I last posted so here goes:
After the heady heights of full body near-orgasm on the 7th November, I followed over the next two weeks with three more sessions at a slightly lower intensity and near-full body sensations that were very sexual in nature similar to close to orgasm.
After that period that I would say was a slight ebb from the peak experience, Then I fell ill and although I did have a KS practice, I had definite signs from my body that it wanted to rest and recover back to a healthful state.
So it was a nice surprise over the last few days to experience some very mature echo effects which were either twinges of sexual feeling, muscle spasms or a sudden apparent 'movement' in space. I think there are two causes to this effect. There is several muscle groups that could spasm that reach up into the skull and around the eyes. Secondly, I'm sure there are some 'mind' effects which account for these movements that seem to have to have the properties similar to slipping over or falling or being in a car with soft suspension. I wonder if these are related to the Terror style feelings that Mog reported?
These echo effects were a reward for me exploring some issues and remembering past relationships and expressing my emotions appropriately.
I followed these clues to a nice KS session that yielded a near-full body sexual feelings very close to that experience on 7th November. FAITH CONQUERS ALL! No need to wonder whether or not those feelings would return. :-)
This time the feelings were more varied, with a deep gnawing sexual feeling dominating with other definite sensations through out my torso.
Again, I decided when I would warm down rather than prolong the experience even though I was some time over the 20 minutes of the session.
This was a lovely experience... Truly strange and mysterious this phase is!
So now, with a two day gap for integration, gently onward I go...
more soon! 'Z'
Posted: 24 Nov 2006 01:46 PM PDT Originally Posted: 24 Nov 2006 01:42 PM PDT
From: Tantros
Hi Zeit!
I've been out of commission for a while - also much involved with all sorts of creative fall-out from my time in the States (they've asked me to write an opera!); so I haven't been able to maintain a regular routine of KSMO, let alone log in as much as I'd want. But actually, there's no harm in that: your word 're-integrate' is spot on. I find the gaps often yield to a sometimes startling 'refreshment' - certainly a sharpening of focus and sensation. And there's everything to be said for integrating physically and mentally all these new signs and feelings, as well as somehow meshing all this unexpected radiance into the over-all texture of our lives - even, as in my case, we can't share it.
Your 'agenda' strikes a lot of chords: you have a nice use of words - eg. 'gnawing'!! Mmmm... Such a lot of this is in the mind.
Do you mind telling me how you go about it? I'm finding at the moment that my practices vary from strict 'PDF' protocol, (single touch, KS and all) to purely passive, meditative sessions (usually using audio stim., occasionally ST). I tend to regard the strict sessions as a kind of almost detached, formal training, to 'ramp up' the pitch of the echoes. They're taking their time, but I've got nothing to complain of: they are very sweet and 'achey', I am happy to say. But I find they really open up - like the whole orchestra - only when I emancipate myself from the hand. Do you still sustain the single touch? Where? You also talk elsewhere of the mind and body 'writhing', which implies involuntary movement: I just bask; I guess writhing internally. Hope you don't mind my asking.
Best of luck, mate -
TANTROS
Posted: 30 Nov 2006 04:22 AM Originally Posted: 30 Nov 2006 04:21 AM
From: Self
Hi Tantros!
I'm pleased you were a success across the pond; Well done!
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> I find the gaps often yield to a sometimes
>startling 'refreshment' - certainly a
>sharpening of focus and sensation..
well calibrated, that is exactly what happens.
>Your 'agenda' strikes a lot of chords: you
>have a nice use of words - eg. 'gnawing'!!
>Mmmm... Such a lot of this is in the mind.
Yes it is, and interestingly orgasm is a basically a mind function... As words only represent a portion of our experience to share, I'm conscious that sometimes I have to refer to metaphor to get across some sort of meaning that could possibly chime with others as well as move in synchrony. You as a musician realise that if a C is played, anything that is tuned to C will also vibrate AT A DISTANCE. This is also exactly how radio circuits work of course.
>Do you mind telling me how you go about it?
Not at all!
>I tend to regard the strict sessions as a
>kind of almost detached, formal training,
>to 'ramp up' the pitch of the echoes.
>They're taking their time...
I wonder if you can imagine a ksmo session rather than a 'strict' session and consider it more as a guiding experience to seek out those echo feelings that, as you say are taking their time (WHICH THEY NEED TO TAKE)
And
rather than be detached and mechanical and 'rational' ;-) ......
...as you think about it now, allow yourself to, very much, slip right into that experience, body and mind, right down, into areas that may be familiar, or more likely, LESS familiar to you Tantros, it can make a difference you know, to immerse yourself in feelings for their own sake, which, may be gentle or small and yet will grow and take on more good feelings and characteristics as you explore even more than that...
You can imagine a 'Sliding Doors' scenario I expect, perhaps the idea of visiting the perfect concert hall, with perfect acoustics that allows the sound to fill the auditorium with just a little feedback to make it 'live' but not to much to spoil any synchopation. An audience that doesn't cough, an orchestra waiting to play;eager to share, full of the very best players on earth, they know the piece they are going to play, its YOUR favourite piece Tantros, and they want to play it so much, they've been wanting to for so long, because they know how much pleasure it will bring.
but you the conductor, keep testing the acoustics......
Then of course there is the alternative 'Sliding doors' scenario.... ;-)
So if I think about what I'm doing, it is virtually the same as I was doing at the very beginning. The only real difference is that the key sound has 'matured' over time and resonates deep inside me around the base of my torso, whereas before, the sound just didn't get that low and energy could build up and wallow. The body eventually learns how to do this over the (finite) time which redirects that sexual energy into the rest of the body from the base of the torso.
In concert with this is the 'valley' breathing, the two really do work together as Jack describes. Breathing as if down towards the bottom of the torso which appears to stoke up that energy in the echo effects which is redirected by the key sound.
Those echo effects have, over time, matured also, until now I have full bodied sex feelings.
Its these feelings that makes my body physically move and my mind seems to writhe with that ecstacy I mentioned.
The touch, Tantros is more of a caress and only one or two moves is necessary to stoke up those high levels, sometimes only moving my hand an inch will do what's required.
If you find yourself ever in frustration or exasperation - explore that and see where it goes and if you find yourself trying to control any feelings, release it all and see where that goes!
The primary skill, I believe is to 'let go' by relaxing and associate into those feelings body and soul, ALL THE WAY IN....
All the best mate!
'Z'
Posted: 30 Nov 2006 12:52 PM
From:Tantros
Hi Z
This is a wonderful and thoughtful letter - in all senses of the term. 'I hear what you say'; it encourages me, and actually confirms me in what I feel I am achieving quietly.
>I wonder if you can imagine a
>ksmo session rather than a
>'strict' session and consider
>it more as a guiding
>experience to seek out those
>echo feelings that, as you say
>are taking their time (WHICH
THEY NEED TO TAKE)
When I say 'strict' I mean abiding by the 20' 'rule' - erm, suggestion. But I take your point about letting myself be more speculative, open to the unexpected. And maybe in other areas than just the genital: I've been in the habit of concentrating my touch - often not even moving, scarcely touching - on the perineum area. I find touching my cock counter-productive.
>...as you think about it now,
>allow yourself to, very much,
>slip right into that
>experience, body and mind,
>right down, into areas that
>may be familiar, or more
>likely, LESS familiar to you
>Tantros, it can make a
>difference you know, to
>immerse yourself in feelings
>for their own sake, which, may
>be gentle or small and yet
>will grow and take on more
>good feelings and
>characteristics as you explore
>even more than that...
This is just what I do in my other sessions: sink down, immerse myself, bask - and it's like I dissolve. And that's when I get all those fabulous feelings that you define in your menu - the whole orchestra.
>You can imagine a 'Sliding Doors' scenario I expect,
>perhaps the idea of visiting the perfect concert hall, with
>perfect acoustics that allows the sound to fill the
>auditorium with just a little feedback to make it 'live' but
>not to much to spoil any synchopation. An audience
>that doesn't cough, an orchestra waiting to
>play;eager to share, full of the very best players on
>earth, they know the piece they are going to play, its
>YOUR favourite piece Tantros, and they want to play it so
>much, they've been wanting to for so long, because they know
>how much pleasure it will bring.
>but you the conductor, keep
>testing the acoustics......
Brilliant! I've got a broad grin all over my face. There is something in that. The best experiences I have, when I just lie back, they're really sexual - (I'm not talking about aneros sessions: I'm abstaining from that at the moment) - and I really go along with it, wallow. They give me something transcendental, trippy, that recalls, in an extraordinary and moving way, the wonderful times I had with my mate. So sometimes I do catch myself measuring, associating. It doesn't make me unhappy. But part of the process of moving forward is the letting go; 'folding in' of the concentration; so it's just me and the orchestra.(I AM the orchestra, after all). I'm finding that the immersion gets deeper all the time; at last I am getting my head under water.
>The primary skill, I believe
>is to 'let go' by relaxing and
>associate into those feelings
>body and soul, ALL THE WAY IN...
Will do...
All the best - TANTROS
P.S. Did you edit your message? You charitably scrubbed 'old chap'! (Not quite! Not yet! - smacks of Tunbridge Wells, the golf-club, Captain Mainwaring, etc...). P.P.S. If you're interested in audio stuff, try Gamma Meditation System, (Jeffrey Thompson). Track 1 really does the business, gets me right down in no time.
Posted: 06 Dec 2006 01:52 PM Originally Posted: 01 Dec 2006 12:25 PM
From:Self
Hi Tantros
>>This is a wonderful and thoughtful letter - in all senses of the term.
>> 'I hear what you say'; it encourages me, and actually confirms me
>> in what I feel I am achieving quietly.
Once again 'T' your attitude is spot on...
>... I've been in the habit of concentrating my touch - often not
>> even moving, scarcely touching - on the perineum area.
...OK, that's cool...AND its worth having a listen again to the audio seminar about other areas... and moving your focus of attention to see where that goes.... ;-)
I found that listening to that seminar; that different parts will be emphasised depending whereabouts you are in your progress. It is multi-layered - in the same way that Jack left something with you when you talked.
>> I find touching my cock counter-productive.
H'mm Interesting; In what way might that touching be counter-PRODUCTIVE...?
>>but you the conductor, keep
>>testing the acoustics......
...
>>Brilliant! I've got a broad grin all over my face. There is something in that.
- -) I wonder what that might be... ;-)
>>The best experiences I have, when I just lie back, they're really
>sexual - and I really go along >with it ...wallow... They give me
>something transcendental, trippy, that recalls, in an >extraordinary
>and moving way, the wonderful times I had with my mate.
...that's a nice association. I have similar memories too. Its great that you are having extended experiences....
>>... part of the process of moving forward is the letting go; 'folding
>in' of the concentration;
>> so it's just me and the orchestra.(I AM the orchestra, after all).
>I'm finding that the immersion gets deeper all the time.
Great! Maybe as Jack might say; follow those echos... to see where they lead and enjoy them IN THE MOMENT- maybe relish the chord as you play it... Augmented...
>>All the best - TANTROS
>>P.S. Did you edit your message? You charitably scrubbed 'old chap'! (Not quite! Not yet! -
>> smacks of Tunbridge Wells, the golf-club, Captain Mainwaring, etc...). P.P.S. If you're
>>interested in audio stuff, try Gamma Meditation System, (Jeffrey Thompson). Track 1 really
>> does the business, gets me right down in no time.
Yes, I did, after I wrote it, I spent 24hrs or so thinking about getting bqck to change it before... you noticed it. (damn!) It _did_ sound a bit old fäshioned; Pip Pip! :-)
My own practice has been retarded of late due to another (unplanned) bout of illness. Nevertheless, I've had some strong echo effects including some full bodied ones which seem to felt beyond the boundaries of my physical body. Somehow, I can only describe as an expanding sexual space or dimension with a flickering/smouldering depth of feeling that is analogous to the silver lining of a cloud.... uh, words somehow seem inadequate to fulfill a worthy description.
Even at this level of practice, its worth re-considering concepts such as 'relaxing IN' to the feelings, rather than the opposite; 'reaching or straining' - that paradoxically is the wrong path.
Another point is the change _over time_ of the key sound.
From the start, it sounds just like a vocalisation, but now it sounds like a low level purr from below, heavily loaded with timbre. Actually I will say more about this in the wiki. I'll put in an appropriate link when done.
So over the next few days, my (illness free) routine returns to normal, and as always, gently done, with the additional importance of the healthy expressing of my emotional part.
More soon!
'Z'
Posted: 02 Dec 2006 10:10 AM
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