Transcript of Latest LIVE Multiple Orgasm Coaching Chat Hosted by Jack Johnston, M.A.

**Session Start: Sat
Sep 02 11:58:40
2006

* Topic is
'Multiple Orgasm
Trigger Discussion
and Coaching
Chat'

Smithie> Hi there
friends!

Jack> Hi Laly, Hi
Smithie!

lalyroth> hi jack

Smithie> Hope you
are all well!

Jack> How're you
today Smithie?

Jack> Yes thanks.

lalyroth> not
really smithie

lalyroth> but
managing to hang
in there.

Smithie> Very well
thanks! A week ago
I had my first
experience of
multiple orgasms
and that made a
big impression on
me. I thought I
would never get
there!

Jack> Attagirl
Laly!

Jack>
CONGRATULATIONS!

lalyroth> congrats
smithie

Smithie> Thank
you!

Jack> How did you
know it was
happening?

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Jack> Welcome
flash!

lalyroth> hello
flash

flash58> hi

Jack> Smithie just
shared that he
just recently
started
experiencing
multiples.

Jack> And I'd
asked him how he
knew it was
happening.

Smithie> I was
going to sleep. I
felt a sexual
energy in my
loins, but
different from
normal sexual
excitement. I had
been surfing your
forum and I knew I
should just let my
body do what it
wanted.

lalyroth>
yeahh!!!.

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lalyroth> hi drew
HUGS.

Drew> Hi Laly

Jack> Welcome
Drew! Smithie's
sharing about his
first multiples.

Drew> Hi everyone.

Drew> kewl

flash58> I just
recently purchased
the download and
just wanted to get
any further
insight before I
started the
learning process

Jack> You've come
to the right
place. Smithie's
reporting some
exciting new
experiences, and I
hope everyone

lalyroth> great
flash..have u had
a chance to read
the pfd file yet?

Smithie> Then I
felt my solar
plexus tighten and
I got movements in
my "loins"
(?prostate) just
like when i
ejaculate, but
much milder. One
came, then another
and I had four or
five in a row.

Jack> will feel ok
about asking
questions from
those who are also
learning - and
HAVE been
learning. :-)

Smithie> Then,
something which
bowled me over, I
felt like a woman.

flash58> I'm about
half way thru
reading

Jack> Pls say more
about that
feeling, Smithie.

lalyroth> awesome
smithie.

lalyroth> and do
feel free to ask
us questions flash

lalyroth> :).

Jack> If you feel
comfortable doing
so, of course.

Smithie> That is,
I tried to conjure
up my "anima", my
female half, and I
suddenly felt like
a woman, lying on
her back, with her
legs open. I
experienced then
one or two more of
these very mild
orgasms, without
ejaculation and
indeed without my
penis being erect.

Smithie> If I may,
i have two
questions to ask.

Jack> What about
PONR ? Ejaclatory
Point of No
Return?

Jack> Ejaculatory.

Jack> And by all
means, ask. :-)

Smithie> First, is
there anything I
should do to
consolidate the
progress, the
breakthrough i
have made?

Jack> Yes.

Jack> Relax.

lalyroth> GRINS
and agrees.

Jack> Breathe.

Jack> There's
natural pressure
at this point to
want to go for it
somehow.

Smithie> I think
that it was
because I was very
tired that night
and on the point
of going to sleep
that I experienced
what i did.

Jack> RELAXED
enough...

Jack> Very good
insight Smithie!

Smithie> I tend to
be a very
organised and
determined person
and I have
difficulty in
"letting go".

Jack> Welcome to
the human race.

Jack> :-)

Jack> RE: letting
go: And now?

Smithie> For Flash
58 let me say that
it is very
important to surf
the forum and read
other people's
experiences.

Jack> Yes AND to
show up here!

Jack> Cuz this is
where people who
have learned and
who are continuing
to learn GATHER
HERE IN REAL TIME
.

lalyroth> yep.

Smithie> Well, as
regards letting
go, since last
week's experience
I have done my
protocol exercises
but have not
experienced
anything out of
the way.

Jack> So you can
get your questions
answered and get
reality check on
what you're
experiencing .

Jack> We have maps
here. :-)

Jack> Maps to the
Stars.

flash58> I have a
problem, I
masturbate all the
time but never
really experience
any form of
intense orgasms
that I reaaly
remember what they
feel like anymore

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> oh that
sounds sooo
familiar flash-
been there

flash58> I really
don't remember I
mean

lalyroth> up until
a year ago when I
found this place.

Smithie> Again for
Flash, I was on
the point of
giving up, feeling
despondent about
ever experiencing
multiple orgasms
and that very
night, after
reading various
sharings on the
forum, and when I
did not at all
expect it, it
happened.

lalyroth> which is
a common theme-
wasnt expecting it
but then IT
happened.

Jack> Flash, that
is THE most common
phrasing used by
people when they
experience opening
to these kinds of
multiples.

Jack> Yep it sure
is, Laly.

Jack> How old r u
flash?

flash58> 36

Jack> Are you
seeing a
counselor?

flash58> no

Jack> Will you
consider doing so?

flash58> Should I
be?

Jack> What's your
hunch?

Smithie> My second
question is about
ejaculation. In
the protocol, Jack
says not to have
an ejaculation 24
hours before or
after an exercise.
That means, if I
do an exercise
every second day,
that I should
avoid ejaculation
entirely. My wife
would not be happy
with that!

flash58> I never
really thought
about it before

lalyroth> noo
smithie

Jack> Pls stand
by. Smithie.
Thanks. :-)

Smithie> OK

Jack> flash, now
that you have a
chance think about
it, what do you
think?

lalyroth> on the
off practice days-
it is ok

lalyroth> just do
not do KS session

lalyroth> .

lalyroth> that
next day.

Jack> Flash, did
you see my last
question?

flash58> Yes, I'm
not sure about
seeing a counselor
just yet, I wanted
to see if this
technique will
help reawaken my
previous feelings
and experiences of
intense orgasms

Jack> Flash, here
is a way to locate
one of my
colleagues who is
specifically and
COMPASSIONATELY
trained to help
address these
challenges:

Jack>
http://www.aasect.
org/directory.asp

flash58> ok,
thanks

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Jack> I recommend
that you do both
at the same time,
flash, and let
your counselor
know that you are
interested in
practicing this.

Jack> They are
free to contact me
with any
questions, etc.

Jack> I really
recommend that you
get that kind of
support IN PLACE
before going very
far with this
practice.

lalyroth> i know i
wished i had jack

flash58> I will

lalyroth> and not
put it off.

Jack> The patterns
you are describing
are your body's
and your emotions'
attempts to self-
heal.

Jack> You deserve
competent,
properly trained,
licensed, and
certified sex
therapist or
counselor to
support you in
this

Jack> journey of
renewal and self-
discovery -

Jack> and of self-
understanding...

Jack> The people
at AASECT are VERY
VERY good and VERY
compassionate.

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Jack> I want to
offer you our
support in
encouraging you to
take the action
step of checking
out the map at
that directory URL

lalyroth> hello
noderob

flash58> I think
some of the
confusion or
conflicts lies in
the fact that I'm
a Christian but
I'm being trying
to be more
liberated about
sexual issues

Jack> and locating
some
possibilities. As
a means of better
preparing yourself
for THIS practice.

noderob> hi all,
rob here (newbie)

Jack> Hey rob
welcome!

Jack> Yeah that's
exactly the kinds
of conflicts that
can fuel the
patterns you are
describing. Be
sure to let

flash58> hi rob

Jack> the
prospective
counselor know
that when you call
them.

flash58> I will,
thanks

Smithie> Flash, I
suggest you
explore this site:
http://www.libchri
st.com/index.html

Drew> Hi Rob

Jack> Thanks for
THAT as well,
Smithie!

flash58> I have
already, thanks
Smithie

Jack> Cool!

Jack> Any other ?s
at this time,
flash?

flash58> Not
really, I
appreciate your
insight, it's an
important start
for me

Smithie> I read a
book recommended
on the site:
"Dirt, greed and
sex" was the title
I think. Very
helpful Biblical
study of sex and
how Christians
should position
themselves in
today's world.

Jack> Thanks very
much for that
intriguing
reference as well,
smithie!

flash58> I haven't
read that yet but
will definitley
take a second
look, thanks again

Jack> Yeah flash,
you have
definitely made a
very good start!

flash58> I look
forward to
learning and
growing and
sharing my
experiences here,
thanks guys

Jack> flash this
practice does tend
to release
emotion, so that's
why it's very
important to go
ahead and get
counseling in
place as support
to help you with
that. Just a
little postscript.
:-)

Smithie> Another
very helpful book
is the "Poisoning
of Eros". Shows
how the very
carnal Judeo-
Christian
tradition was
perverted by the
puritanism of Rome
and Greece and by
the development of
celibate clergy.

Jack> And thank
YOU for trusting
us so much, flash!

lalyroth> jack, if
i may introduce
myself to the
newbies.

Jack> Yes Please!

lalyroth> i agree
jack.

Jack> Thanks again
Smithie!

lalyroth> i am 35,
single, female and
been practing KSMO
for a year now.

Jack> [then you'll
be next, if you
like, noderob -
welcome!]

noderob> ok, thnx

lalyroth> and
flash- i do
understnad where u
are coming from -

lalyroth> been
there myself-

Smithie> Men do
not think that
women can face the
same sort of
problems as us.

lalyroth> we can
and do smithie

flash58> Laly,
what was your
biggest obstacle
to overcome?

Jack> ["some" men
:-) ]

lalyroth> the
biggest one flash-
overcoming the
need to feel like
i have to orgasm
every nite

lalyroth> but not
for pleasure sake
mind you

lalyroth> i been
using it as
punishment

lalyroth> as Jack
pointed out to me
- took on the role
of my abuser.

Smithie> I'm glad
for you that you
seem to have found
a path of healing.

lalyroth> i had a
hard time with the
protocal and the
slight
stimulation.

lalyroth> i have
and still on that
path smithie.

flash58> I was
also sexually
abused by a female
cousin when I was
younger, and
subsequently
discovered she was
abused by my other
cousins

lalyroth> :( - am
very sorry to hear
that flash

Jack> Me too,
flash, and I too
am a survivor - by
a church
custodian.

lalyroth> but with
KSMO i was able to
allow myself to
forgive myself for
any blame that I
could have done

lalyroth>
something to
prevent it

Smithie> Sexual
abuse is so
widespread! To be
able to talk about
it is a sign of
healing.

lalyroth> yes
smithie- i have
documented mine
quite well in the
forums.

Jack> That's why
it's so important
for you to take
advantage of this
opportunity now to
hook up with local
professional help
who really have
the training to
help you unload
all that crap and
get on with your
life.

lalyroth> in hopes
of helping others.

flash58> I have
forgiven her and
we are on very
good terms now for
the past 20+ year,
I don't blame her,
but more so my
other cousins

Jack> Yes indeed
Smithie re: talk
(in appropriate
context where safe
and mutually
consented to)
breaks the chains
of silence and
shame that got
wrapped around our
soul.

lalyroth> i havent
gotten to that
point yet-
regarding
forgiveness flash,
but makes me happy
to knoe

Jack> Yeah flash,
this is a VERY
opportune time for
you to continue to
heal the EFFECTS
that are still in
you.

lalyroth> that is
possible

Jack> Hey Laly,
care to share with
flash and the
group the concept
of bookending ?

lalyroth> sure

Jack> Thanks!

lalyroth>
bookending- is
having someone in
your corner that
you can call upon

lalyroth> or even
using the forums
to post your
feelings

lalyroth> like
when i was
deciding on
counseling

lalyroth> i called
Jack and Drew

lalyroth> really
talked with the 2
of them

lalyroth>
regarding my
concerns, fears

lalyroth> of
opening my heart
to a stranger

lalyroth> share my
inner thoughts

lalyroth> and I
post also to the
forums and talk
about how i feel

lalyroth> now that
I am in counseling

lalyroth> (thanks
Drew btw)

flash58> How much
does counseling
usually cost?

lalyroth> i feel
that a huge weight
has been lifted
from my shoulders

lalyroth> that
depends on the
counselor flash

lalyroth> mine is
$85 a session

Jack> A good one
is the best
investment you'll
ever make in your
life.

Smithie> Sorry, I
have to leave now.
Thank you Jack,
Laly and Drew for
sharing your time
and experiences
with us newbies. I
wish you all the
best, and include
Rob and Flash in
that. Hope to be
present at the
next chat!

flash58> That
sounds reaonable

Jack> When there
are several
available, it's ok
to interview
several til you
find a match.

lalyroth> take
care smithie HUGSS

flash58> Thanks
Smithie

Smithie> Thank
you!

noderob> bye
Smithie

Jack> Smithie
THANK YOU FOR ALL
YOU BRING TO THIS
COMMUNITY!

Smithie> Thank you
all for what you
give to me!
Goodbye for now!

lalyroth> that I
how I bookend
flash

Drew> Bye Smithie

flash58> Thanks
for sharing that
Laly, I will be
sure to
incorporate that
into the healing
process

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lalyroth> :)

Jack> Laly, do you
remember which
other chat we got
into all the
details about
bookending.

Jack> ?

lalyroth> I know
Jack would love to
bookend with ya
flash

Jack> Was it the
last one or ??
Drew do you
remember?

lalyroth> as would
i

lalyroth> yes jack

lalyroth> do you
want me to pull it
up?

Jack> Just the
chat number if
it's posted.

Drew> I can't
remember, Jack.

Jack> [Thanks for
your patience
noderob! We'll
pass you the
Talking Stick in
just a shake.]

Jack> k, no
worries Drew. :-)

noderob> no
problem

Jack> noderob,
meanwhile, to
whatever extent
you feel ok
sharing in a
public forum,
would you share a
little about
yourself? Age
where typing from,
marital,
orientation, etc.
ALL optional.

* Jack passing
noderob the
Talking Stick,
anyway...

noderob> well, i'm
53, married and
discovered the
KSMO by accident
(no... really!)
just a llittle
more than a week
ago

Jack> How do you
mean by accident?

noderob> read
quite a lot before
ordering, but not
everything, so i
still have quite a
lot to catch up on

lalyroth>
http://jackjohnsto
n.ccwerks.net/wb/d
efault.asp?action=
9&read=2216&fid=73
3&FirstTopic=240&L
astTopic=259

lalyroth> chat
0259

Jack> Thanks Laly!

lalyroth> your
welcome

noderob> accident:
was surfing
around, looking
for "relaxation"
and similar
keywords, and
stumbled on Jack's
site

Jack> Welcome!

noderob> and got
really curious
about it

noderob> and "bit
the bullet"

Jack> LOL.

lalyroth> grins

Jack> money back
guaranteed
brother. no b.s.
:-

Jack> :-)

noderob> just
started with the
KS

noderob> :)

noderob> no real
effects yet

Jack> Anybody care
to take that one?
:-)

lalyroth> you may
not feel like you
are rob

lalyroth> but
there can be
subtle effects
that you MAY
discount without
realizing it

noderob> ok - see
what you mean,
Laly :-)

Jack> Well done,
Laly!

lalyroth> care to
share what your
pracice was like-
if feel like
sharing

noderob> i must
admit i did feel
nice... but that
could have been
the effect of just
relaxing!

Jack> Or?

Jack> What else
MIGHT it have
been?

noderob> i'm not
really sure my KS
is tuned yet
(actually, i think
it's ot)

Jack> What DID you
notice?

Jack> Let's not
get too wrapped up
in EVALUATION at
this point, what
do you say?

noderob> first of
all: it felt VERY
nice to relax
(have a pretty
hectic life)

Jack> Just as a
little experiment.

Jack> OK!

Jack> That really
helps set the
stage.

Jack> What else
did you notice?

noderob> after a
while, had a nice
warm feeling in
the chest

noderob> no
tingling

noderob> but just
a "fuzzy" nice
feeling

Jack> EXCELLENT...

noderob> that was
the first time i
tried...

noderob> after
that, i did two
more "sessions",
but with no real
success

Jack> Wow. Cool.
Already in the
heart area some
awakening. Sweet.

lalyroth> that is
more than i had my
first practice rob

noderob> too
nervous... could
not really relax
into the session

Jack> Let's
address this
linguistic pattern
"BUT no REAL
success" shall we?
:-)

noderob> yes, i
realize that!

lalyroth> i think
you had excellent
progress 1st time

noderob> :-)

Jack> What are
YOUR thoughts
about the effects
of that cognitive
pattern on
practice?

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noderob> ok -i
guess my feeling
was (is?) that if
you expect to feel
something, you
probably will...

lalyroth> hi airn
HUGS

noderob> hi airn

airn> hi :-)

flash58> ello airn

flash58> hello

Jack> Welcome
airn! newbie
noderob has the
Talking Stick at
the mo' and we're
givin' him the
bizness a little
bit. :-)

Drew> Hi Airn

Jack> Thanks
noderob, that's
very helpful:

airn> hi all

lalyroth> givin" ?
i like to think
more like offering
love and support
jack

Jack> Exactly
Laly.

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> please
continue rob

Jack> Ok, noderob
let me reiterate
here just a bit.

noderob> this
doesn't mean that
what i felt was
not athentic, just
that i'm not sure
if it was really
"relevant", but
i'm sure you guys
(and gal) will
talk me out of
that... :-)

Jack> Whoa!!!

lalyroth> faints

Jack> This is
getting to be like
kendo practice!
LOL

airn> lol

Jack> kickin and
screamin into the
multiorgasmic zone

lalyroth> ANY
feelings u have
are "relevant"

noderob> hold on!
not there (yet)!

Jack> node, this
is an example of
what I mean when I
say that the
greater challenge
is not between the
legs, it's between
the ears.

lalyroth> yep and
is ongoing at
times too jack

Jack> No, not
there yet, and
nobody's gonna
push you. Your own
body is your
PRIMARY GUIDE,
through the
emotional feedback
(including those
GIFTS of awareness
called Emotional
Furballs ).

noderob> of
course, Laly, they
are. and yes,
Jack, we need to
"undo" quite some
things between
those ears...

Jack> The good
news is that there
is a simple
experiment one can
do to explore the
cognitive shift.
You game?

noderob> ok, you
got me cuious
(again!)

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> :D

lalyroth> without
curiousity - there
d be no progress

Jack> Ok pls begin
by retyping that
phrase about a
dozen lines above
this one,
beginning with
"I'm not sure if
it was really
'relevant'"

Jack> and then
notice how you
feel when you type
it and read it.

noderob> ok, i
guess that
copy/paste is not
allowed here ;-)

lalyroth> lol

noderob> but i get
what you mean,
Jack

noderob> just re-
reading it

lalyroth> noderob:
this doesn't mean
that what i felt
was not athentic,
just that i'm not
sure if it was
really "relevant",
but i'm sure you
guys (and gal)
will talk me out
of that... ?

Jack> Great! Now
type something
like the
following: I had
my first practice
session and began
to experience

noderob> ok

Jack> what MIGHT
have been those
early FAINT and
not-yet
particularly
erotic but
pleasant
sensations that
Jack said are
likely to begin
happening at this
early stage.

noderob> i had my
first session last
monday, began with
relaxing and
breathing

airn> :-P

Jack> That's a
long one but hey
in for a penny...
just retype

noderob> trying
out the KS

Jack> yeah!

Jack> Keep talkin'
you're on a roll!

Jack> :-)

Jack> What did you
notice?

noderob> and after
a while, i felt a
warm feelnig -
fuzzy, undefined -
coming up in the
chest

Jack> Ok!

Jack> NOW please
continue the
experiment by

noderob> it
lingered on for a
moment (one
minute, could not
tell)

Jack> typing what
I started just
above and I'll
finish it here:

noderob> and it
felt good :-)

lalyroth> awesome
HUGSS

Jack> YEAH LALY!

noderob> :d

noderob> :D
(sorry)

noderob> so, i
guess i DID "make
contact"

Jack> No apology
necessary! It's
just an
experiment. ;-)
What differences
do you notice in
the two?

Jack> What's your
hunch, at this
point?

noderob> the last
one was more
positive...

Jack> That the
EVALUATION which
is fine and how
did you FEEL?

Jack> [ That =
That's ]

noderob> ok, yup,
i agree

Jack> with what?

noderob> le me
think...

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noderob around the
chat room

lalyroth> lol

airn> lol Jack

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> oh oh -
bliss tears jack

noderob> my
evaluation was: i
tried
thisexperience, i
felt something -
was it something i
wouldn't have felt
if i just relaxed?
(i'm a BIG
sceptic! :) )

Jack> Ok noderob,
you're back on
track... your IMP
is ENERGIZED!

Jack> OOPS you
went back to the
old form. Well,
that was quick.

noderob> sorry:
IMP?

Jack> No worries.
:-)

Jack> I have a
question for
you...

noderob> let's
hear it

Jack> For about 20
min no more than 3
times week, when
you do this
practice,

Jack> will you tie
up the liferaft
S.S. Evaluator and
just hop into your
body and cast off
for a little 20
min ride, while
leaving the
Evaluator on
shore?

Jack> Kinda once
around the block
as it were.

Jack> ;-)

noderob> of course
i will! i didn't
say i was
quitting, was i?
:D

lalyroth> nor was
he implying that
rob

Jack> Not at all.
We're just talking
navigational
techniques here.

noderob> of course

Jack> Getting thru
the Cognitive
Rapids can be
tricky.

noderob> well,
since monday i had
two more sessions
with no effects

lalyroth> none??

Jack> Point is,
the negative self-
talk - the
almighty sceptic -
tends to be a
trap...

noderob> but i was
not able to
relax...

noderob> nono

noderob> really!

Jack> Not
surprising re: "no
effects"

lalyroth> if i may
rob?

noderob> go ahead

Jack> yes pls!

lalyroth> i take
about 10 min
before my practice
and lay on the
floor or bed

lalyroth> just
breathe in and out

lalyroth> no KS

lalyroth> JUST to
get my body mind
and whatnot to
relax

lalyroth> de-
stress from the
day

lalyroth> then i
turn on jack's
seminar - the 20
min KS practice cd

lalyroth> when i
feel am ready to
start

airn> (sorry all -
gtg)

lalyroth> i.e no
tension in the
body

lalyroth> aww am
sorry airn HUGSS
have a great day

noderob> ok, arin,
see you later!

lalyroth> please
do continue
posting airn

Jack> Aw airn you
shoulda told us
sooner! We can
always bump you
forward in line!
Next time, eh?

lalyroth> i do
find your posts
enlightening

lalyroth> i agree
with jack airn

airn> eh, not
anything in
particular to
discuss this time
Jack

airn> just thought
i'd take a look

Jack> k, Brother -
hope you'll check
back in here
again!

airn> I will!

Jack> Take care!

airn> bye all!

lalyroth> bye airn

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Jack> Ok, Laly,
pls continue if
you would.

lalyroth> takes
deep breath and
releases - smiles

lalyroth> the
point- allowing
yourself to relax
AND accept what is
about happen

lalyroth> just let
IT have the reins

lalyroth> so to
speak

lalyroth> put your
mind in neutral

Jack> [ and
accepting what IS
happening - at
least give it the
benefit of the
doubt ]

lalyroth> yes.

Jack> You can
paddle around in
the SS Evaluator
later. :-)

noderob> ok Laly,
actually that's
how i stumbled
upon the KSMO
site:

noderob> was
looking for
relaxation...

Jack> Cool!

lalyroth> or FOR
ME jack - this
week the SS panic

noderob> bcause
i'm simply too
stressed

Jack> yeah.

lalyroth> i was
too rob= but in
the forum

lalyroth> under
other resources-
music and

noderob> and
that's how "the
accident"
happened! :D

Jack> PART OF THAT
STRESS MAY INVOLVE
PADDLING THE
EVALUATOR WHEN IT
MAY NOT BE SERVING
YOU.

lalyroth> other- i
listed some
meditation music i
use

lalyroth> for
relaxation

Jack> Warm bath
can be a nice
place to practice
too, provided
youhave sound
privacy.

noderob> well, i
found some nice -
and free - mp3's
for deep
relaxation - and
they do hepl me

Jack> great!

lalyroth> awesome

noderob> (sorry -
help of course)

lalyroth> no
worries - we all
get the "finger
virus"

lalyroth> lol

noderob> and
that's how i
prepared for my
first - and the
other - session

lalyroth> great.

Jack> Full-body
Relaxation is
definitely a
cornerstone of
this practice.

noderob> so, first
trying to unwind

Jack> Even a warm
shower before
practice can be
beneficial.

noderob> that's
what i understood
when reading a lot
of the posts

Jack> Yeah, it's
very true based on
the data
collecting in this
forum since 1997

Jack> .

noderob> slowing
down, allowing the
body and mind to
be relaxed and
receptive

lalyroth> uh huh-
in fact..am
blushing to admit
this

noderob> - the
mind is probably
more difficult -

lalyroth> but i
used the KS
method- minus KS
tho- to relax for
dental appointment

noderob> :-)

lalyroth> yes -
the mind once in
overdrive

lalyroth> can be
difficult to put
into neutral too
quickly

Jack> yes. And for
at least a little
while, give the
practice the
benefit of the
doubt, rather than
the opposite -
give your mind
some breathing
room - literally -
to open to an
experience that is
consistently
reported as
unprecedented in
the higher states
of arousal.

noderob> that's
why the two other
sessions i did
didn't work out...

Jack> Yeah that's
a very important
insight noderob.

Jack> What I refer
to as self-
calibration. :-)

Jack> Like
adjusting course
while sailing.

lalyroth> yep.

Jack> The Echo
Effects which are
admittedly very
faint and not
necessarily erotic
in the beginning,

noderob> yes,
Jack, i certainly
will. I told you i
got curious and i
realize that Rome
wasn't built in
one day

Jack> nevertheless
are the signal
line to follow.

Jack> Great
attitude noderob!
Yeah just park the
Evaluator at the
dock for that 20-
30 min no more

Jack> than 3 times
a week and tune in
to what the Echo
Effects in your
body have to teach
you. You have

Jack> a LOT of
EMOTIONAL HONESTY
and that is a REAL
PLUS,

Jack> since of
course this
practice also may
offer up those
emotions that
indicate a need
for further
healing. That's
all part of it
though,

Jack> as the
process of
emotional healing
and growing self-
acceptance

Jack> creates a
bigger vessel in
which to hold all
this practice has
to offer,

Jack> and frankly,
to me, what it has
to offer seems to
be fractal -
gateways beyond
gateways...

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> oh yeah!

noderob> the
journey alone is
already worth the
effort

lalyroth> sweet

lalyroth> but you
are NEVER alone in
the journey rob

noderob> bcase
learning something
about yourself is
something nobody
will be able to
take away from you

lalyroth> i agree
- stands and
applauds

Jack> me too!

Jack> flash and
Drew, do you have
anything you'd
like to add or
ask?

Drew> Not really
at the moment,
Jack...

Drew> I'm still
curious about KSMO
exchange between
couples...

Drew> I get to try
it in a
fortnight's time!
:-)

Jack> What's a
question you have
about that?

Jack> Great!

Jack> Way to go!

flash58> No more,
this has been a
great chat and
very helful,
thanks again

lalyroth> glad you
are here flash

lalyroth> and rob
too.

lalyroth> and
flash? -

noderob> will have
to read in the
transcipts what
happened before i
got in... ;-)

lalyroth> if you
have any questions
- post them and
i'll help best i
can

Jack> You're very
welcome flash, I'm
glad you could
make it!

Jack> Yeah me
too!!!

flash58> thanks
Laly

lalyroth> no
problem - i CARE

flash58> and Jack

Jack> Ok
everybody, have a
great week. I wish
each of you all -
and I do mean ALL
the best that Life
has to offer. :-)

Jack> Yeah flash?

Jack> Oh yeah!
You're welcome!

lalyroth> thanks
jack HUGS

Jack> Stay in
touch with us and
with your process

flash58> Have a
great holiday
weekend everyone!

Jack> in the Forum
meanwhile.

Jack> You too!

flash58> I will

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noderob> bye
flash, meet you
later!

flash58> later rob

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lalyroth> take
care u too

noderob> bye laly,
jack, take care
and thanks for the
talk

lalyroth> your
welcoem rob

Jack> You are very
very welcome!

noderob> don't
think i'll make it
for the next
chat...

noderob> live in
the old continent,
so hours aren't
that good ;-)

Jack> Post a
coupla better
times in GMT and
days

lalyroth> beat me
jack lol

Jack> of the week
that work for you
and I"ll see about
scheduling a chat

Jack> that will
work for you.

Jack> Lol Laly.

Jack> noderob
there is a conf
called Chat Time
Requests.

lalyroth> is a
thread called chat
time requests

Jack> LOL!

lalyroth> OH BOY -
mind link jack

Jack> Yep!

lalyroth> yikes

Jack> LOL!

noderob> but i
will keep
practicing - ok
for the
requests...

noderob> you both
must be mind-
readers! :D

Jack> Yeah, just
take it easy and
DON'T EXPECT
ANYTHING

noderob> scary!

Jack> cuz THAT

Jack> is when MOST
people say the
bigger orgasms
happen for them

lalyroth> YEP

Jack> when the
time is right!

noderob> ok!

Jack> LOL re:
mind-readers. Hey
we been down that
road afore ye,
that's all. :-)

lalyroth> uh huh

lalyroth> just my
empathic abilities
at work

lalyroth> just
"know" what he is
possibly gonna say

Jack> Drew pls
post your couples
questions to the
couples Conference
when you have them
- also thoughts of
course!

Drew> OK

noderob> have a
nice weekend all
of you, take care!
i'll certainly be
back

Jack> Great!

Drew> I can't
think of any
questions at this
point

lalyroth> *whoops
and hollers
_yeeeaa

Jack> And thanks
Drew!

Jack> Bye y'all!

Drew> Good on yer,
Rob!

lalyroth> nite rob

Jack> Yeah Rob!

noderob> thanks
all, cu

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Jack> G'nite both
of youse :-)

lalyroth> u too
jack

Jack> Take care.
Keep bookendin'
Laly!

lalyroth> heart
energy is off the
charts right now

lalyroth> i will

Jack> And give
yourself LOTS of
REST and
RELAXATION times.

Jack> Even though
you may not always
be doing a lot "on
the outside" at
times,

lalyroth> havent
been practicing so
can do JUST that

Jack> you're very
busy on the inside
so you need lots
of breaks and
being good to
yourself.

Jack> Yep. EASY
DOES IT.

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> well
will let my boss
know that the
episode that
happened fri could
happen again

lalyroth> just so
she and others are
prepared

Jack> yeah. Have
you shared with
boss that you're
getting some help
to deal with it?

lalyroth> yeah she
knowing am in
counseling

Jack> good!

Jack> HUGGGSSS!!

lalyroth> but
being it was a
first for me - to
see me like that
at work

lalyroth> shocked
them

lalyroth> HUGSS
back

Jack> Your
counselor can help
you i.d. people in
your world who can
become a support
network for you.

lalyroth> :) -
well i feel that
co workers are
understanding

Jack> BIG
BLESSING.

lalyroth> been
talking alittle
with them about it

Jack> share check
share :-)

lalyroth> yeah :)

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> one
hugged me - i lost
it and cried in
her arms

lalyroth> just was
a good feeling

Jack> Very sweet!

lalyroth> not to
have to hide
anymore

Jack> Yep. For
SURE.

lalyroth> lol-
know i better
stock up on the
tissues

Jack> Yeah, buy
stock!

Jack> For the
bliss tears too!

lalyroth> ask drew
about that lol

lalyroth> i
brought 2 boxes
with me LOL

Jack> Yeah you
told me. Loaded
for bear!

lalyroth> uh huh

lalyroth> date is
set for next
counseling session

Jack> Those
tissues are your
defense against
the perps - the
tissues represent
the truth comin'
out - the silence
broken.

Jack> WAY TO GO!

Jack> Your
Adventure
continues!

Jack> Wow!

lalyroth> *takes
breath - yeah

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> releases

lalyroth> ok -
drews tigers await

Jack> :-)

lalyroth> nite -
time for relaxing

Jack> Bye for now!

lalyroth> HUGS
DREW AND JACK

lalyroth> bye

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Jack> I look
forward to those
couples posts
Drew. :-)

Jack> Talk with
you soon!

Drew> Me too... Oh
boy, oh boy, oh
boy! ;-)

Jack> LOL! Yeah!
Bye!

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Sep 02 14:28:37
2006

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