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    1. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      Notes from The Zone

      Gold Nugget - Passport to The Zone of continuous non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms - without squeeze techniques - without stop start - without any form of holding back ejaculation - without any need to block ejaculation

      Introduction
      I take the term "The Zone" to mean a territory, readily accessible to anyone skilled in the MMO practice, where one can experience practically continuous non-ejaculatory orgasm.

      I gained my passport to the Zone some four months ago. The sensations that grip the mind and body whilst within the zone are beyond adequate description, but I thought that the simple top-level prosaics of my own KSMO zonal experiences might be of interest to anyone who is not yet trolling along the orgasmic superhighway.

      Some of what follows might seem familiar to any-one who has read some of my earlier stuff on this forum. If there's some repetition it's because I feel that I ought to update some of the detail of my basic KSMO experience so that I can better explain how the Zone came upon me.

      As there's quite a lot to say, I've broken the text into small paragraphs, but if, dear reader, you don't like enduring long posts please depart here!

      Note: What I describe here is from my own personal experience and it would be wrong for it to be taken as an example practice for students of the MMO.

      Recap and Refresh on My Typical KSMO Orgasmic Cycle (single, non-zonal)
      Currently, each individual and complete KSMO-derived single orgasmic event typically consists of three distinct phases which occur in a sequence, with no gap between them: Arousal, Orgasm (non-ejaculatory) and The Ride.

      The Arousal phase is, as most of us know, characterised by growing sexual excitement accompanied by a build-up in the body of erotic orgasmic potential energy. The satisfaction that will be experienced from the subsequent release into orgasm depends crucially upon maximising the energy built up during the arousal. Complete relaxation and passivity are vital. I let my mind do most of the work.

      For me, the build-up occurs most strongly in the groin area, torso, heart area, the lower spine, and (more recently) extremely powerfully in the upper chest, shoulders and arms.

      It is within the Arousal phase that the Key Sound Protocol can be employed to hugely amplify, build and spread this energy. Valley breathing, done from the pit of the stomach in such a way to gently massage the prostate and the rest of the bits down there, further enhances this process.

      We all have our own ways of promoting arousal as a preliminary to embarking on an orgasmic experience. For me, I think the main facilitator is now the anticipation of the extreme delights that I know will be waiting for me in the session to come. This, of course, arises from my lucky success in my MMO career (a chicken and egg example if ever there is was one!) which is due in great measure to my KSMO training and probably also to my previous Aneros exploration. Second, is pornographic imagery. Third is nipple stimulation done extremely lightly. Boy! - once I got myself trained up to get the best out of that there's no more certain way to accelerate up the arousal slope. Pedal-to-the-metal!.......But that's another story! Fourth, but by no means the least, is breathing: done naturally, being conscious of the erotic massaging effects upon the lower regions of the torso (referred to sometimes as "breathing through the prostate") is, for me, a powerful arousal contributor.

      Nevertheless, with experience, a successful arousal phase can be accomplished without need for any stimulation or prompting whatsoever. No devices, no Viagra! Just me!

      Note: Generally, a slower and longer arousal phase which gradually intensifies the erotic energy level results in the most explosive orgasm. Patience pays off!

      A feature of the Arousal phase that often occurs is the unique and exciting KSMO "Buzz". This, an entirely involuntary phenomenon, can be felt as a humming, slightly rasping vibration all over the torso (including the head and arms), but especially prominently in the pelvic floor area. An effect of this is to provide a gentle but exciting vibrating stimulation to the area of the prostate. This sensation appreciably promotes the general eroticism of the arousal, building the store of orgasmic energy and signalling the onset of a top-of-the range orgasm phase. (But this buzz can also appear at any time in the orgasmic cycle, with a similar beneficial effect).

      Note: Any kind of even mildly energetic physical stimulation during the arousal phase is, I find, diversionary from the MMO experience in that it tends to send arousal onto a path with an ejaculative direction. That, for me, would be an MMO killer. Light touching, however, particularly in a slow wandering and explorative way can be extremely effective.

      The Orgasm phase, I think of as the power input surge to the cycle. It follows directly from a successful arousal phase. The arousal is best allowed, with as much passivity as you can muster, to grow until the accumulation of erotic energy reaches a level at which orgasm occurs unavoidably. Thusly, the power of the consecutive orgasmic explosion is maximised.

      Note: Avoiding a premature tip-over into orgasm does not mean deliberately holding back and refusing to let go - it simply means using one's passivity to the absolute limit and allowing the arousal to grow naturally until the body just cannot contain any more energy - quite different!

      At orgasm an involuntary expansion of the chest occurs which sends powerfully, via an extended, ballooning abdomen, much of the accumulated energy firstly down to the groin area and thence all around the body. Breathing usually pauses while the orgasm occurs while an involuntary loud scream, writhing of the body or thrashing of limbs can result. These manifestations do nothing to lessen the strength of the orgasm; instead they can have the effect of substantially enhancing its power and increasing the subsequent transfer of energy to the following Ride phase.

      Note: Ejaculation is entirely unnecessary at any time in the orgasm phase (or, indeed, at any time during the orgasmic cycle). But that is not to say that ejac is forbidden! Ejac might occur as a slow leakage, or even as a sudden fully monty, but deliberate promotion of an ejaculation should be avoided.

      What then follows, as the abdomen relaxes to it normal size, is a massive flow and redistribution of the energy all around the body, the effect of which is to impart intense orgasmic sensation practically anywhere, or everywhere - the full-bodied-orgasm!

      Noteworthy spots of fierce concentration are the, perineum, prostate, penis, anus, lower abdomen and lower spine areas, and also the face, ears, nose, top of the head, upper chest (heartgasm?}, arms, shoulders, hands, feet and fingers. This experience is like none other!

      Breathing usually stops as the orgasm peaks and it can be several seconds before it resumes.

      Regarding my own MMO progress, the legs have been the most recent of the body bits to join in the fun but they are currently (2013) both developing just nicely.

      Immediately following this re-distribution of energy there is a general sensation of the body sinking down into a well of relaxation and sublime orgasmic paralysis. This is when the amazing Ride phase begins. This is when the fun really starts!

      Note: A deliberate stopping of breathing at any time in the orgasmic cycle does not form any part of a KSMO practice and would not be helpful - only let it happen if it is involuntary and seems natural in the orgasmic context. Likewise, forced breathing would be unhelpful.

      The Ride phase. Alright; the term "Ride" is already used elsewhere, but the reason I think it suits here is because usually, once this phase begins, control is lost over what happens from then on - there is no easy escape - one becomes a hostage to the forthcoming onslaught of sensation, come what may! This is when the energetic power of the orgasm phase is being converted into pure erotic sensation! Fierce shaking of the limbs and body can occur as the body tries to escape from the acute sensations that it's not normally used to dealing with. One just has to wait while the amazingly erotic sensations flood around the body, lasting for maybe up to a minute, eventually gradually subsiding, when some control over what's happening can be regained.

      I find that this phase can be the most erotically gripping, novel and mind-bending of the three phases and the one which distinguishes a good MMO ejaculation-free event from a conventional ejaculative one in which a Ride phase, if it actually does occur to some degree, comes, in my practice at least, no-where near the infinity of sensation that the genuine KSMO experience can provide.

      Although the actual orgasm phase comprises a high-energy sensational peak in the cycle, the Ride can deliver even more powerful, surprising, and exotic sensations which can be unprecedented in terms of novelty and sheer erotic intensity. During the ride the sense of hearing is subdued, there is some ringing in the ears, and the outside world seems to recede as the mind is taken over by the overwhelming sensations. Breathing usually becomes gentle and shallow. Weird visual illusions, sometimes random patterns or sometimes tiled, often in vivid colour, can jump into virtual view. Limbs, and sometimes the whole body can seem to heat up, the surface of the torso feeling like a taut drum skin as the lower stomach feels to be erotically sucked hollow. The body, if not entering a period of thrashing about, can become gripped in a motionless trance-like state on a razor-edge of extreme sensation and feeling like orgasmic, buzzing solid stone. In such moments I feel that I become the orgasm!

      The Ride can also play further havoc with other senses: the body can seem to distort, sometimes feeling very heavy, sometimes floating, or, weirdly, feeling like a pulled-apart two-dimensional flat sheet as if one were being stretched on an orgasmic rack of torture!

      Occasionally, at the highest levels of sensation, the sense of smell can seem, just for a few seconds, to greatly amplify faint residual smells (e.g. my partner's perfume, coffee), and even conjure smells from no-where like toffee, hot rubber, warm cedar-wood, and others (usually pleasant ones), that are not recognisable (a phenomenon known, I think, as Synthaesia). Externally, sometimes the room's shape seems to distort and change colour.

      But these virtual add-ons, although they have frequently occurred in my sessions thus far, with progress, are appearing less frequently. They are seeming to progressively condense into a growing aggregate of pure, protracted and overwhelming orgasmic sensation.

      A further feature of a good Ride phase can be the occurrence of a series of entirely involuntary pelvic floor and anal spasms which can develop such vitality as to become mini-orgasmic peaks in their own right. While this is happening the penis can seem to detach itself and float, like a baton, in the air above the bed. When these spasms occur they effectively ramp up the body's orgasmic energy stock, thereby substantially intensifying and prolonging the ride phase.

      My experience of the ride phase is exactly what Jack calls "fractal" - entirely new, extreme and surprising sensations can suddenly jump into the consciousness. Some of these are, I feel, beyond orgasm!

      Not all of those various sensations necessarily occur together, or in every ride phase - sometimes one appears, sometimes a few together, sometimes a whole firework display of these strange sensations can invade the mind.

      The ride phase and all its novelties, for me, is uniquely a characteristic of my practice of the KSMO device-free mind-driven MMOs, a feature which I've not yet found to any significant degree in any other sexual activity.

      The ride phase can be much longer than the orgasm phase and continue for anything up to a minute (progressively increasing). It then very gradually dies down towards a residual base level of orgasmic background, the erotic level of which normally grows with progress through the session. It is from this background level that the next cycle's arousal phase begins.

      Although I've described the three phases as distinct components of the orgasmic cycle this is only my attempt at descriptive clarity. In terms of the sum total of the complete orgasmic experience the phases blend and merge so that the actual stratospheric sensations can start at some point in the Arousal and continue all the way through until near the end of the Ride - currently lasting for up to about three minutes- an extraordinary experience!

      Note: If, dear reader, you, have not yet experienced much of this (and are not yet nodding off) you might be thinking that such extraordinarily novel sensations would detract from the overall orgasmic experience. Take it from me, they do not! They are enthralling, mind-bending, entrancing, and add greatly to the transcendental and powerfully erotic nature of a session of MMOs.

      Terrors!
      Mostly, with my progress along the KSMO trail, the increasing levels of orgasmic intensity which I've discovered on the way have been tracked, fortunately, by a growing capacity for the mind and body to comfortably handle them. However, sometimes these two aspects can get a little out-of-step with the result that midway through a gorgeous ride phase a sudden sensational overload can occur causing a mind-Terror to strike.

      Whenever I've experienced a terror I was suddenly, without urge or premonition, being elevated to a higher and unprecedented degree of sensation.

      Such phenomena are known to explorers of the MMO world and one's first experience of a strong one can be scary! It's not possible to describe the sensation of alarm, threat and panic that can suddenly strike so I won't even try........ maybe:- "....OMG! - What's happening! - I can't handle this! - I must get out of here, and quickly!":eek:

      Perhaps such terrors result from one's embedded instinct for self-preservation and the thought that one's well-being might be about to suffer some severe damage.

      But although it's possible to feel quite shaken after one of these events they have never done me any harm or impeded my progress, and confidence to resume operations is soon restored.

      However, having been visited by a terror, in subsequent sessions that same higher level of sensation, when it recurs, can be handled without difficulty. One's tolerance is thus ratcheted steadily upwards as these new levels of sensation become established in the repertoire!

      Note: Terrors can sometimes coincide with the passage through a KSMO Gateway (a sudden, substantial, and unanticipated surge in orgasmic results). However, I don't wish to imply that passing through a KSMO gateway necessarily entails experiencing a terror - far from it - my terrors have been a lot less numerous than my gateways. So I wouldn't wish to create an impression that terrors are an inevitability of the KSMO practice.

      Note: IMHO terrors should not be confused with Furballs, a more fundamental personal difficulty with handling extreme sensory exploration, of which I seem to have had none.

      Multiples
      The three phases, when occurring in contiguous sequence in a group (AOR), comprise my typical single KSMO orgasmic cycle and each one can, currently, last for anything up to 3 minutes.

      During a typical session (not yet into the Zone), these cycles are repeated in a series. Normally, there is a rest interval between each cycle which permits some recovery and re-gaining of composure, as follows: (AOR)rest(AOR)rest….and so on.

      That is my typical non-ejaculatory MMO sequence and can continue indefinitely and for hours.

      But there can be occasional and surprising variations on this theme e.g. (AOOR) or, when pelvis mini-orgasms arise, (AOoooR) or (AooooOR) or (AOooooOR) and many others. These atypical variations and enhancements on the general theme are becoming more frequent.

      The Zone
      As a session of multiples progresses, as well as there being a steady elevation in the erotic background level and strength of the orgasms, the rest intervals become progressively shorter and consequently the orgasmic cycles occur closer together with a shorter interval between them.

      Eventually, as a session progresses, the tail of the previous Ride phase meets and merges with the head of the next Arousal phase. So a continuous sequence begins: AORAORAORAO…..and so on. This, in my experience, is The Zone!

      Usually,during a session, when closing in on the Zone, two orgasmic cycles link, then three, then more.

      At the same time, each three-part orgasmic cycle, as well as progressively becoming more powerful, expands erotically and broadens. Each cycle then can become so blended with its previous and subsequent ones that the experience of continuous orgasm is created. That is now a regular and dependable characteristic of my zonal KSMO sessions.

      Breathing can stop completely at times, but this is not stressful as one might expect. One grabs some air when it becomes possible, breaths being either very shallow and rapid, or deep and slow, or sometimes a single deep and long inhalation followed by an explosive exhalation.

      It usually takes me around 30-45 minutes from the commencement of a zero-start session to enter the Zone [update: Aug2013 - no more than 5mins]. If I happen still to be buzzing from a previous session it can be less. But the interesting and surprising fact is that once having entered the Zone, I can remain inside for several hours. I've not yet found any tendency to want to leave due to boredom or tiredness since the usual post-orgasmic exhaustion usually associated with ejaculation is entirely absent from the proceedings.

      The Zone is therefore a self-sustaining experience which can continue indefinitely! Indeed, I find I have to apply determined personal control to call a halt to this orgasmic extravaganza because as soon as a Ride phase begins to decline the next Arousal phase is already building - this can be seriously difficult!

      Thus far I've not found any unduly adverse effect of these extraordinary adventures upon heart rate or blood pressure (famous last words):D

      Conclusions
      My congratulations to you, dear reader, for your endurance if you have read all that stuff! I hope that my account has given some idea of the delights awaiting anyone who is prepared to embark upon a serious exploration of his natural orgasmic potential. If I, at my advanced age (sad old git), have accomplished such extreme serial orgasmic experience I must conclude that it is available to anyone and everyone!

      Note: Some might think, on having read this stuff, that such self-induced sequences of orgasms as I've tried to describe are unnatural and therefore are bound to be of second-rate when compared to "the real thing" (whatever that might be deemed to be). I would like to assure you, dear reader, that, for me, these extraordinary MMOs have surpassed, in all their essential components of immersive arousal and high, dizzying prolonged orgasmic sensation, by a long way, anything that I've ever experienced in any other sexual activity.

      I used to harbour the notion that, upon gaining access to The Zone I would have finally reached the ultimate destination at the end of the KSMO trail. But this seems not to be the case - inside and outside the Zone, my orgasmic events continue to become more profound, more powerful, more protracted and manifest themselves in ever greater variety (and I don't mean just marginal enhancements) - I seem to be discovering and exploring an even higher territory that lies beyond the Zone.

      And, as one continues one's practice, the boundaries of experience widen fractally all the time. The strength, delicacy and bodily coverage of the amazing sensations continues to grow and the body's capacity to contain them grows accordingly - and so it goes on! After some years of MMO practice I have not yet found any levelling-off of this process.

      Where will this take me, I wonder?

      On reflection, having spent most of my long previous existence meandering around, what I now know to have been the minor roads of the orgasmic experience, I've now discovered what was there all the time, just over the hill - the Orgasmic Super-Highway!

      Note: Adept's experiences, judging by posts in this forum, are very individual and diverse so I wouldn't expect that my account of The Zone is necessarily typical for all advanced KSMO practitioners. But if this account aligns with any other adept's experience I would be very interested to hear.

      Note: Searchers for the Zone should not try to emulate my success by trying to copy any events or actions that I've described here. So no part of this stuff should be taken as a tutorial. Trying to make things happen simply doesn't work in the KSMO exploration (unfortunately!) - But practice does!:D.
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    2. Buster New Member

      Dear Mog,

      You have outdone yourself with this thread! Thank you for this breakdown. It is the best one that I have read on the subject. A Gold Nugget for sure!

      I have got some follow up questions if you dont mind. Instead of IM'ing you, maybe others will get something out of it as well.

      First of all, during "The Orgasm" stage, you say that it is better to hold it off to build up the energy. So what you are doing in this stage is doing your Key Sounds for a period of time and trying to hold any orgasmic responses at bay? I am not sure I understand that. How long will you try to hold that off? The 'involuntary push' of this energy from the chest to the groin has me intrigued. I have been unable to control (or push) this energy around. To have control of that would be so great!

      The Ride. I love that! What I especially was interested in was your comment about your breathing. It stops. I have felt that this breathing issue was holding me back from something more wonderful. Too bad we can't just exhale, huh? Taking in the breath stalls the process for me. It was good validation for me to hear that you have gotten to the levels you have and have the same issue. I have heard some say that they were able to get to a place where breathing was a non-issue and the orgasmic energy was at its highest. I can imagine it and am striving for it every session (both here and with Aneros).

      Terrors. I believe that I had my most major one just this last week and completely understand what you are saying. And I dont think that they are furballs either.

      I have just scratched the surface on 'The Zone'. I can imagine it, but as I have found in the past, what I imagine and what it actually is are two different things.

      Mog, again, an A+ for this thread. I am sure that it will be extremely helpful to others.
    3. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      Thanks for the compliment, Buster!:eek: - it's certainly the biggest I've done - I must be crazy. But I'm pleased someone out there reads my stuff.

      >First of all, during "The Orgasm" stage, you say that it is better to hold it off to build up the energy. So what you are doing in this stage is doing your Key Sounds for a period of time and trying to hold any orgasmic responses at bay?<

      The KS yes, if required.

      But No! - I definitely don't mean that a deliberate effort of will should be applied to prevent anything happening, any more than anything should be willed to try to make it happen. As you know, trying to make things go in the way you would like them to simply doesn't work in the KSMO practice.

      What I do mean is that by being totally passive, the orgasmic tension will build itself and attain it's absolute peak, at which orgasm becomes inevitable. While you cannot go higher than that it's otherwise possible to deliberately send yourself into orgasm at a lower point and thereby miss the best of the fun! This needs a lot of self-restraint to accomplish but it pays off hugely!

      >The 'involuntary push' of this energy from the chest to the groin has me intrigued. I have been unable to control (or push) this energy around. To have control of that would be so great!<

      Don't try to control anything! I can't stop it happening so if it's going to happen with you in the same way that it does for me, it sooner or later will. But it's still possible that the reaction my body gives me is not the same as for anyone else.

      >What I especially was interested in was your comment about your breathing. It stops. ......I have heard some say that they were able to get to a place where breathing was a non-issue and the orgasmic energy was at its highest.......you have the same issue.<

      That's interesting! But this is not actually an "issue" for me (more like a non-issue).

      Strangely, when breathing stops it's because I just lose the need to breathe! - it's not a negative or threatening sensation - breathing just doesn't happen for a while. Eventually, breathing does start again but I feel that I could easily abstain some more and thus remain on the peak of the orgasm phase for longer. What seems to start my breathing again is the thought "...you ought to re-start sometime, mate!":D

      >Taking in the breath stalls the process for me.<

      I know what you mean. In my case, when that occurs I'm just beginning the Ride, so there's a lot more to come.

      Presumably your progress is such that a nice Ride phase follows the orgasm?

      >Terrors. I believe that I had my most major one just this last week....<

      Mmmmmmmm. What was your reaction?
    4. Buster New Member

      Hi Mog,

      Thanks for the response. I do know that you really should not force anything to happen, but when I asked about holding off that initial orgasm, that must take some kind of effort on your part, no?

      When I speak of the breathing being an issue, I guess what I mean is if I could get to a level where I could breathe in and out easily while in the middle of the orgasm, that would be great for me because it tends to pull me back. I figured that my body needs to get pulled back every once in a while.

      The Terrors. Well, I will speak to the one that I just had, but there have been others. I think that it is just a feeling of fright that you are going to lose control and don't know what is ahead of you. In my case, I was very close to what I thought was going to be a penile orgasm WITHOUT ejaculation which is something that I have wondered about. I was so close but there was that thought in my mind that if I did ejaculate, that it would be over...and I did not want that so I scared myself out of it. In the chat session the other day, I mentioned it to Jack. He thought that I should have just gone for it and if it happened, what the hell? There are worse ways to end a session! The terrors that I have experienced in the past have happened just once for different reasons and I was able to get passed them when they came up again. Make sense?

      Thanks again Mog.
    5. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      >Thanks for the response. I do know that you really should not force anything to happen, but when I asked about holding off that initial orgasm, that must take some kind of effort on your part, no?<

      Maybe you're right Buster. But it doesn't seem like an effort of will for me because I know that the longer I can remain passively ignoring the growing need to let go into the orgasm the better will be the result. But as the energy level by then is growing at such a rate I'm only talking about a delay of a few seconds - that last bit can make a lot of difference!

      >When I speak of the breathing being an issue, I guess what I mean is if I could get to a level where I could breathe in and out easily while in the middle of the orgasm, that would be great for me because it tends to pull me back.<

      I know what you mean. But I've recently found it possible to take advantage of periods of shallow, rapid breathing to extend the Orgasm phase, and also maintain the level of the Ride. I would imagine that you will find the same in due course.

      >The Terrors. Well, I will speak to the one that I just had, but there have been others. I think that it is just a feeling of fright that you are going to lose control and don't know what is ahead of you. In my case, I was very close to what I thought was going to be a penile orgasm WITHOUT ejaculation which is something that I have wondered about. I was so close but there was that thought in my mind that if I did ejaculate, that it would be over...and I did not want that so I scared myself out of it.<

      That sounds like a very benign one to me! Some of mine, although over in a couple of seconds, have been extremely alarming.

      >In the chat session the other day, I mentioned it to Jack. He thought that I should have just gone for it and if it happened, what the hell? There are worse ways to end a session! The terrors that I have experienced in the past have happened just once for different reasons and I was able to get passed them when they came up again. Make sense?<

      I reckon Jack's advice there was dead right. Don't take all this too seriously!

      >Thanks again Mog.<

      Not at all - it keeps me out of mischief!:D
    6. Collin New Member

      Those are great descriptions, Mog. Thanks for sharing them! You've done very well in describing those levels. I relate to them. My recent experiences have been very similar. During my time in the "ride" portion, I've had the ringing in my ears and vision changes as well that you mentioned. The room around me seems to get hazy and fade out. Like Buster said, I too have scratched the surface of the Zone. I have spent some time there, but not a huge amount of time. When I've reached the zone, I sometimes have felt tired or a little overwhelmed. During my recent session I did spend quite a bit more time there, but as you know, reaching new heights can sometimes be unsettling or even a distraction when your mind becomes involved. All of a sudden a new level comes along and my mind says, "Wow, what's this?" I do notice that as more time goes on, and the more I practice, I find myself able to relax and accept the new territory better. Then when the higher or deeper experiences come again, I'm more at ease and familiar with them. Relaxing into them gets easier all the time.

      I wouldn't exactly say I've had moments of "terror", but I have been a bit reluctant to let go when uncharted territory or higher feelings take over. So, yes, it can feel a bit scary. It's hard to even describe in words the sweet sensations and feelings of bliss that wash over you, isn't it? After quite a while of being immersed in the orgasms, I start to feel my other senses come alive. I feel like sweet flavors are filling my body. Recently I could feel the seashore all around me which was a new one. I get the sense that I'm in a beautiful place. It feels like I'm actually being transported to another place and I can feel, taste, and smell these things. It's so wonderful.

      As Buster described having issues with breathing, I have experienced those issues as well. Buster, I too have found taking a breath to be distracting at times. Like it pulled me out of the experience. I do find that it has gotten much better lately though. I'm "letting go" more and allowing myself to breathe into the experience. It is not stopping my "rides" as much lately. I really think that it has to do with nerves. I didn't realize the level of nervousness I was still having until I finally started to relax more when the deeper states came along. Feeling more familiar with it makes a world of difference. Tell yourself that you are safe and continue to tip toe out there. It just keeps getting better. The more you do it, the easier it becomes.

      I'm really happy to be on the "journey" and be able to share here with you all. Jack's program helped to unlock some doors for me a few years ago and it just keeps getting better. I've since been incorporating the Aneros into my sessions again with great success. Initially I didn't have near the experiences with the aneros as I'd have liked and put it away, but since Jack's KSMO, I've found my body reacting to the aneros in a new way with great pleasure. Finding the combinations that take me to new places has been very sweet.

      Good wishes to all!
    7. Buster New Member

      Hi Collin,

      Is Collin your I.D. over at Aneros as well? I remember you if it was. Nice to hear from you and especially nice is this post. It is great to hear about people who seem to be able to get passed this breathing issue. I feel as though once I get more relaxed and get through it that I will start making more substantial strides. Don't get me wrong, I am having a great time now.

      I wanted to ask you Collin (and Mog as well) how many times per week do you practice and for how long? Is there a constant here or does it just depend on what is going on? I wonder because I have no real schedule for it but wonder if I should. I know the word schedule seems like work, but maybe if I practiced on a more consistant basis it would be helpful in my progress.

      Thanks guys.
    8. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      Hi Collin,

      Thanks for your reply. I'm pleased to know that I'm not alone with my experiences with the KSMO and that there is somebody else who has achieved similar results. All along I've wondered if my progress along the trail has been typical/off-track, slow/fast, hard/easy, because I've not always been a very careful adherent to Jack's guidelines.

      But that hasn't stopped me (although it might have slowed me down) discovering this new world of multiple male orgasm, but it always made me wonder how others were doing. Thanks for your account!

      >All of a sudden a new level comes along and my mind says, "Wow, what's this?" I do notice that as more time goes on, and the more I practice, I find myself able to relax and accept the new territory better. Then when the higher or deeper experiences come again, I'm more at ease and familiar with them. Relaxing into them gets easier all the time.<

      Yes, I find that too. Total relaxation is vital to learning the KSMO.

      >I wouldn't exactly say I've had moments of "terror"....So, yes, it can feel a bit scary.<

      Why have I and others had them and you not I wonder? Perhaps being propelled into new places is something I'm not basically as comfortable with as you. Maybe your progress has been more gradual. Or maybe you've been better at observing Jack's guidelines than me - it's quite possible that a good insurance against the terrors is to limit sessions to 20mins as recommended! (But maybe I'm just a bit of a chicken!)

      >It's hard to even describe in words the sweet sensations and feelings of bliss that wash over you, isn't it?<

      Impossible! But I bet they are entirely different to anything you've experienced hitherto.

      >I feel like sweet flavors are filling my body. Recently I could feel the seashore all around me which was a new one. I get the sense that I'm in a beautiful place. It feels like I'm actually being transported to another place and I can feel, taste, and smell these things. It's so wonderful.<

      Yes, one has to get fairly far down the trail before experiencing these things but, when they come out of nowhere, they are utterly mysterious and fascinating. I wonder if my apparent flashes of super-sensitivity for faint residual odours might be an internal flashback to our evolution in primitive times when, as with other animals, the sense of smell could be vital to survival. But perhaps I'm being fanciful here!

      >The more you do it, the easier it becomes.<

      That's so right!

      >I'm really happy to be on the "journey" and be able to share here with you all. Jack's program helped to unlock some doors for me a few years ago and it just keeps getting better.<

      The steady ramping up of the fun seems without limit!

      >I've since been incorporating the Aneros into my sessions again with great success. Initially I didn't have near the experiences with the aneros as I'd have liked and put it away, but since Jack's KSMO, I've found my body reacting to the aneros in a new way with great pleasure. Finding the combinations that take me to new places has been very sweet.<

      I can mirror those sentiments exactly! Some of the newbie disappointments we read about "over there" would probably be fewer if some basic KSMO skills were acquired first. I've said before that handing an Aneros to a newbie is like his acquiring a military jet without first having taken basic flying lessons - with luck and perserverence he might become an ace, maybe not!:D

      >Good wishes to all!<

      Thank you!
    9. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      Hi Buster,

      >I wanted to ask you Collin (and Mog as well) how many times per week do you practice and for how long?<

      Er - about 14! (don't tell Jack!):D Sometimes a bit more, rarely less. One hour before starting the day, and a half-hour around lunchtime.

      >Is there a constant here or does it just depend on what is going on?<

      Fairly constant but with occasional disturbance.

      >I wonder because I have no real schedule for it but wonder if I should. I know the word schedule seems like work, but maybe if I practiced on a more consistant basis it would be helpful in my progress.<

      I can't say about that. But I think in the morning after a night's sleep is an optimum time. Put a teapot cosy over the telephone!

      Mog
    10. Collin New Member

      Hi Buster. Thanks for your reply!

      I don't have any kind of schedule for it either. I've tried it, and I found it counterproductive for me. My body usually tells me when I'm ready for a session. Even when I want to do it with some regularity, I find it still has a life of its own. I really wish I could sit down on a regular basis and have good sessions. A lot of the time my mind is in the mood, but my body is not following it at all. That is usually the case. For me, doing it more frequently or on any type of schedule does not really help my progress. It just feels forced and I feel numb. Then there are those times, usually no more than once or twice a month, when I feel such an arousal that my orgasms start just by thinking of them. That's when I know I'll be receptive to the KSMO session or aneros. I do wish those times would happen more often, but I guess if they did I'd never get anything else done. When I get into a good period of multiple orgasms it usually last for two to three days. During those days I find that all my spare time is spent having multiples. They are just too good to resist.

      Of course I'm not saying that making the time on a regular basis to practice is bad. It is good for finding out what's there. I just have found that I'm very in tune with my body and can tell when I'm able to have multiples and dry orgasms. During other times, it's just not there at all for me.

      I'd like to hear your thoughts on it. Do you have those up and down times as well? I almost feel like I have my "time of the month" for orgasms. Then other times it's completely not there, even though I want it to be.

      So, time and staying with it has helped my progress, but it has not been on a regular schedule at all.
    11. Collin New Member

      Hi Mog! :)

      You may be correct when you said that perhaps my progress has been more gradual. When I think back, it all started for me about 15 years ago by self discovery. I started playing with having dry orgasms after I had one by surprise. Then I found Jack's program a few years later and that really got me going. It was just the tool I needed to get me flying. As you can read in my reply above to Buster, I have not followed guidelines in terms of schedules or time limits.

      Overall I have taken it at my own pace and it's been a gradual process. There have been those moments of fear along the way. I'd get to a certain level and because I was scared by going into new territory, my heart would race very fast. That was not exactly pleasant. As more time has gone on, those moments don't happen so much, thankfully. I find myself relaxing into it much more.

      Very well said! It does seem that being familiar with what that orgasmic energy feels like is a prerequisite to using a tool like the aneros. If I had not had an idea of what the energy felt like prior, I wouldn't have known what the heck I was supposed to be striving for with the aneros. When I first tried the aneros I had a few good times with it. Having experienced some dry orgasms in smaller doses on my own before had helped with that. Then I put it away for a year or so because I lost interest. Later on, when I started with KSMO... wow!! That was amazing all on it's own. Then I started using the aneros again and I was on cloud nine. It was working like never before. I credit KSMO as being a turning point in my journey. It is the 'airplane' I needed! :D
    12. Buster New Member

      Hi Collin,

      I have come to the conclusion that there is a definite cycle that I go through in relation to my ability to have quality MMO's. At first, I thought that it had more to do with ejaculation regularity, but I have since found that during certain times, that just doesn't matter. There are certain times when the "on" switch seems to be engaged. If I was more organized, I would plot these times on a calendar and see if there is some kind of pattern to it. I might be surprised.

      I posed the question to both you and Mog about what your schedules have been with KSMO because I question whether I am practicing KSMO enough. Chatting with you both, I get the sense that I could stand to add a 20 minute session in here and there to keep my progress going. I guess that is one of the disadvantages to practicing both KSMO and Aneros. There are only so many hours of the day. Twenty minutes is no big thing. You can knock that out daily if you want too. Both my KSMO and Aneros sessions last quite a bit longer than that.

      Have a great day.
    13. Collin New Member

      Hi Buster,

      I should make note of those times on the calender as well. There definately is an "on" switch as you said. I know what you mean about the ejaculation as well. Not ejaculating for a couple of days at least certainly helps the multiples happen easier, but then there are times when that is not the case. That switch gets turned on and it's fairly easy to have multiples during that time frame.
    14. Longshanks Member

      This post is easily my favorite!:D I can relate to the early aspects of arousal, orgasm, rest.....repeat. It's spectacular. Being a Rookie at this, it is difficult to remain passive but I'm trying. I understand why, but every time something new happens, my mind shouts, "What is that?" and that can break the spell.

      Thank you for this post!
    15. mog KSMO Grandmaster OMG

      I'm always pleased to see that some-one reads my stuff.:rolleyes: And you've bumped it up to number one here!

      Buster is around in the Aneros crew these days but I haven't seen anything from Collin lately.

      Thanks,

      Mog
    16. Longshanks Member

      Number One is where it belongs! ;)

      Longshanks

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