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Hi, recently I've in the mornings felt orgasmic feelings, they have grown, but are not YET feeling as good as an ordinary ejaculation. Now the question:
Is this the start of MMO's? I lie on my side, knee bent and my penis and scrotum between my thighs, I just in my mind think of the Key Sound, and no stimulation at all!!

I have trained the Key Sound since I bought the CD in Dec. 2002. But without success. See Editor's note above to what happened for him later! - JJ

However will this lead me in the right way?
Thanks for replying
Erty

Have you seen this discussion? Doc- has written quite clearly
about "the process" of learning KSMO.


In general, the Key Sound is a "key" that unlocks the multiple
orgasmic potential inside each of us. Stimulation simply awakens
erotic feelings. When the key sound is coupled with that, along
with the right breathing and correct timing....which to a degree your
body will find...the orgasmic gates are opened.

It doesn't always go that smoothly for sure, we trip, fall, and bumble
all over the place at times. After they have experienced KSMO for a
while, many people have reported feeling the MMOs without
stimulation, meaning usually without "physical" stimulation and
without making a KS. However in my experience, the intensity is
quite a bit reduced.

Maybe you are feeling something that is KSMO related. It is best to
continue reading the boards and the chat transcripts to gain a
better understanding of the layout of KSMO. Best of all is to attend
a chat session where Jack and others can quickly figure out what
is going on with you by asking you questions and then guiding you
with practice ideas.

Good luck.

Erty, Mike's points are all good.

I would add that it's important to find times to practice when you have:
[*]complete privacy (i.e. not bothering your wife with your practice, etc.),[*]you practice early in the day so you are not sleepy, etc. This is so when your body "wants" to open to these orgasms, you'll actually have the energy to do so, and won't be sleepy or tired, and[*]learn to use the Key Sound in your PRACTICE... this doesn't mean you always "have to" use the Key Sound when you make love with a partner, etc., but... what it boils down to is this:[*]if you want the results, follow the protocol, including the use of the Key Sound, AS DETAILED THROUGHOUT THE FORUM AND IN THE CHATS AND IN THE AUDIO SEMINAR, to help your body LEARN how to have these kinds of orgasms... THEN you can play around with not using the Key Sound, no stimulation ever at all, etc. but for now:[*]DON'T MIX WITH OTHER METHODS for the time being... People who get into trying to boost the protocol by mixing with Chia, Lin, etc. have not reported positive results that I'm aware of... save the "mix and match" til AFTER you have learned the true multiple orgasms that the simple, pure KSMO protocol will deliver, IF you don't interfere with it.[*]consider following the protocol in the way so many others have, to get the multi-orgasmic results!

Best regards,
Jack

I have just been finding a whole new
depth and sparkle by really using zero
stimulation, at least until it happens
spontaneously. What I mean in detail is:

I get very comfortable and meditatively
quiet. I gently focus my attention on the
lower part of my body in general. If I am
spacey or distracted, I lightly touch my
perenium once and let go and use that
sensation to attract my attention. Then I
make KS and relax even more and follow
the echos and then another KS etc. The
echos seem much deeper and stronger
and more "light" than when I start with
actual stimulation.

Maybe its that I tend to get stuck in the
physical excitement zone or something
but starting purely with energy and
attention seems to pay big dividends for
me.

After awhile, maybe 3-5 minutes or more,
I find that my spontaneous, completely
undirected physical movements tend
toward self massage, sometimes directly
sexual i.e. genital, perennial etc, more
often eleswhere. Often seem to end up
massaging legs and up and down the
lower spine and lower abdomen. This
seems to open more energy flows.

As I write this I think that what I wrote
above is true, that I just have the physical
and energetic layers too stuck together
and for me to use zero deliberate
stimulation helps separate them....

Hey Levingo, thanks for the post!

On 12/18/03 10:00:00 AM, levingo wrote:
>I have just been finding a
>whole new
>depth and sparkle by really
>using zero
>stimulation, at least until it
>happens
>spontaneously.

GREAT! Yes some people, at least initially, may find that they make more progress by keeping stimulation to a minimum.

Additionally, after you get this process dialed in, if you find at some point that the Echo Effects are no longer increasing in intensity, then that can be a good time to begin to introduce a little more stimulation, gradually.

>What I mean in
>detail is:
>
>I get very comfortable and
>meditatively
>quiet.

This is a VERY essential first step!

READERS PLEASE TAKE NOTE.

The "meditative" attitude is a good one!

I helps avoid one of the biggest traps that prevents people from learning this more quickly, that is, to mistakenly become focused on "going all the way" to multiples, rather than appreciating how what you are feeling even in the early stages of practice may already be significantly more pleasurable and more extensive throughout your body than anything you'd experienced prior to beginning practice.


>I gently focus my
>attention on the
>lower part of my body in
>general. If I am
>spacey or distracted, I
>lightly touch my
>perineum once and let go and
>use that
>sensation to attract my
>attention.

Alternatively, you may explore NOT breaking physical contact with the hotspot you are touching (in this instance, the perineum), but rather just to pause the stimulative movements... while nevertheless maintaining a more passive contact with that area during the "Pause Stimulation" phases of the Protocol.

>hen I
>make KS and relax even more

Great!

>and follow
>the echoes and then another KS
>etc.

That all sounds right on!

>he
>echoes seem much deeper and
>stronger
>and more "light" than when I
>start with
>actual stimulation.

Excellent observation! Yes, "Less (stimulation)" definitely IS "More (progress sooner in enjoying stronger Echoes)", especially in the beginning.

Just don't forget to give yourself the option later on in practice to increase stimulation SLIGHTLY if you notice the intensity of the Echoes begins to fade or plateau...
>
>Maybe its that I tend to get
>stuck in the
>physical excitement zone or
>something

VERY VERY VERY common for most guys, and also surprisingly frequent in women's traditional self-pleasuring as well.

>but starting purely with
>energy and
>attention seems to pay big
>dividends for
>me.

EXCELLENT DUDE! :-)

>
>After awhile, maybe 3-5
>minutes or more,
>I find that my spontaneous,
>completely
>undirected physical movements
>tend
>toward self massage, sometimes
>directly
>sexual i.e. genital, perennial
>etc, more
>often elsewhere.

It's really great that you allow this spontaneous exploration to go where "it" (i.e. your intuition) wants to go... PROVIDED you do not lapse into continuous stimulation, unless you want to switch gears and move toward ejaculation.

>Often seem
>to end up
>massaging legs and up and down
>the
>lower spine and lower abdomen.

That sounds VERY good! A LOT of guys seem to experience an accumulation of energy in the lower body and extremities... It's right on to give some light massage to encourage that energy to resume flowing throughout your body.

>This
>seems to open more energy
>flows.

Perfect!

>As I write this I think that
>what I wrote
>above is true, that I just
>have the physical
>and energetic layers too stuck
>together
>and for me to use zero
>deliberate
>stimulation helps separate
>them....

Yes. Just remember later on to give yourself the option to GRADUALLY increase stimulation that remains for the most part intermittent acc'g to the Protocol, rather than lapsing into continuous stimulation.

GREAT POST! THANKS!

Jack

Hi I have only been practicing the keysound for just over a week and have been experiencing the echo effects! I usually practice in the morning and before I go to sleep and I have noticed that while practicing the keysound I tend to get tingles in my lower body, arms, and legs, but when I cease the practice and relax and start to go to sleep or just relax and read a book or something then I get a sudden surge of moderate pleasurable waves shooting through my body from my perineal region!It feels like a mini orgasm without the release and last around 20 seconds or so with the pleasure degree up and down and tends to happen again a short time later! Am I on the right track to the full orgasmic non ejaculatory orgasms Jack talks about?
Also I've noticed as Jack says: the less stimulation and slower and deeper you breathe actually builds arousal and intensifies my ejaculatory orgasms and gives me so much more energy that I can go on and on and have multi ejaculatory orgasms without the feeling of fatigue or loss of erotic sensation, I just want more and more!!!
My concern however is that while doing the keysound with little stimulation I get frustrated after a while as when experiencing these mini orgasms without release they seem to charge me more and more and I get so turned on I have to give myself full stimulation and right to ejaculatory orgasms!I know that in learning this practice Jack tells us to use as little stimulation as possible or you will trigger the ejaculatory reflex! So what happens when I use this practice while having sex?
As when you're having sex the sensory nerves in the penis glands are being stimulated constantly! Would this be any problem once I have learned the keysound or will I have to pause during sex to experience these multiple orgasms without ejaculation?Or is this practice for solo only?

Any advice is greatly appreciated,
thank you.

"gold nugget" !!!