Just got CD yesterday and listened.
Actually got some echoes while imitating
Jack while listening. Energy rushes and
mild spontaneous pelvic movements.
This a.m. decided to practice as first part
of my meditation. Pretty much every time
make the sound get some echo. Didn?t
take but a few to get to fairly strong
reaction each time. Externally, body
movements sort of snake like. Pelvis
arched up then as it came down
abdomen arched up then as it came
down shoulders and head arched up.
Several times in a row. Internally, lot of
good feeling energy rushing around and
in particular pretty strong contraction of
prostate, anus and internal genital
muscles in general. Felt a lot like
ejaculation but in an inward and upward
direction instead of down and out. This
with no stimulation and no erection. After
a while some erection and so tried a bit of
stim but not much as I thought there was
enough going on and wanted to
"metabolize" that. All this continued about
20 or 25 minutes and I just decided to
stop and go to sitting meditation. That
was very energized and filled with tingly
light. Felt energized and cheerful all day.
All in all and auspicious beginning I?d
say. (In fairness to any jealous newbie
who reads this I have to say I think many
years of meditation and energy work and
in particular a form of movement
meditation called spontaneous or
self-generating Qi Gong really helped set
the stage for this. I feel like I?ve been
close to this awhile and Jack provided me
with the Golden Key thank you very
much!!!)

On 7/22/03 7:21:00 PM, levingo wrote:
>Just got CD yesterday and
>listened.
>Actually got some echoes while
>imitating
>Jack while listening.

Way to GO, Geoffrey!

> Energy
>rushes and
>mild spontaneous pelvic
>movements.

Readers, please note Geoffrey is reporting spontaneous movements and energy rushes in response to his practice of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger protocol.

>This a.m. decided to practice
>as first part
>of my meditation.

Readers please note a possible/probably correlation between experience with meditation and quicker results in this practice.

[That doesn't mean you have to have a background in meditation to learn this... not at all! But if you DO have that experience, it may be of notable benefit.]

Geoffrey, GOOD IDEA re: doing the practice in the MORNING (when your energy is FRESH and available)... a lot of guys have some difficulty in the beginning because they only practice late at night when they are really tired.

Also, re: integrating it with part of your customary meditation practice:

VERY good mindset with which to approach this work, in my opinion!

> Pretty much
>every time
>make the sound get some echo.

Excellent! It sounds like you have not only the Key Sound, but also the TIMING down pat.

>Didn?t
>take but a few to get to
>fairly strong
>reaction each time.

Excellent!

>Externally, body
>movements sort of snake like.

AUTOMATIC/SPONTANEOUS, readers!

>Pelvis
>arched up then as it came down
>abdomen arched up then as it
>came
>down shoulders and head arched
>up.

Yes that's a spontaneous manifestation of that "Bow (as in archery) of Pleasure" that I describe in the seminar.

I think it's our body's way of really opening that "energy channel" that seems to run up the spinal core of our body. (that's c.o.r.E.).

>Several times in a row.

Right on the path, brother!

>Internally, lot of
>good feeling energy rushing
>around

Yeah sounds like you've made very good use of your previous meditative practices to open yourself up and prime you for this!

> and
>in particular pretty strong
>contraction of
>prostate, anus and internal
>genital
>muscles in general. Felt a
>lot like
>ejaculation but in an inward
>and upward
>direction instead of down and
>out.

>This
>with no stimulation and no
>erection.

>After a while some erection and so
>tried a bit of
>stim but not much as I thought
>there was
>enough going on and wanted to
>"metabolize" that.

READERS NOTE THAT IMPORTANT TIP: DON'T PUSH FORWARD, TAKE IT EASY AND INTEGRATE HOW THINGS ARE OPENING UP...

As Geoffrey says: "metabolize" what's already going on (i.e. give yourself some time to savor and be with the Echo Effects as they DO start appearing).

>All this
>continued about
>20 or 25 minutes and I just
>decided to
>stop and go to sitting
>meditation.

Sounds perfect! Including NOT trying "go for" the "Big One(s)" but just doing the practice for a while, with focused attention, and noting the effects... and then after a "while" that feels right, pause the practice for that time, so again your body will have time to "metabolize..." and integrate what's happening so far.

> That
>was very energized and filled
>with tingly
>light.

Wonderful "Afterglow"!


> Felt energized and
>cheerful all day.

Perfect... :-)

>All in all and auspicious
>beginning I?d
>say.

I would too! Most assuredly!

> (In fairness to any
>jealous newbie
>who reads this I have to say I
>think many
>years of meditation and energy
>work and
>in particular a form of
>movement
>meditation called spontaneous
>or
>self-generating Qi Gong really
>helped set
>the stage for this.

I agree!

Also for other newbies... such experience is NOT a requirement for learning this!

The audio seminar plus the Live Forum, Chat Archives, and Live Coaching Chats are all the help you need, provided you take advantage of it...

The practices Geoffrey is describing simply made it easier, since through meditative practice, he's already learned how to quiet his mind and pay full attention to a "meditative focal point."

In this instance, that focal point was the attending to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger protocol and observing and enjoying the resultant Echo Effects, in an ALLOWING manner, rather than making the mistake of trying to "go for" results or "make" them happen.

> I feel
>like I?ve been
>close to this awhile and Jack
>provided me
>with the Golden Key thank you
>very
>much!!!)

Geoffrey, you are very very welcome! And congratulations!

Please keep posting as you continue your adventure... and I hope you'll be able to participate in some of the Live Chats as well.

With very best wishes,
Jack

Tried to respond via email but it bounced
back with fatal error so, by direct posting,
the following:

Jack, thanks for all the positive feedback!
Definitely I can tell my
previous practice is not a needed
prerequisite, just a help in speeding my
progress a bit. This all feels
very much like experience I had about 15
years ago for awhile when I found a
very "psychic" "tantric body worker"
woman. Saw her once a week for awhile.
She could touch my arm with one finger
and flood my body with sexual energy
then use her hands to help me direct it to
where there were blockages and
the energy would move through and
release them. This, however is stronger
still and feels directed by a "higher"
intelligence. During today's session
I had a lot of tension in my midback about
where the my diaphragm connects
and slightly below (no surprise as I have
physical and emotional issues
there) and after session had a bit of a
congested, energy stuffed headache
esp in the forehead 3rd eye area. A bit of
free movement and meditation
cleared all that up completely.

Day two practice: I'd say lower edges of
multiple orgasms. Tingly, warm
kind of oozy feelings in lower 2/3 of
abdomen, repeated series of
contractions internally and lot of arching
and general writhing around.
Added a bit of stimulation after awhile
because I wanted to.
Made it all much more intense. Could
feel that if I did much stim at this
point I probably would have ejaculated but
I really didn't have any urge to.
Knew it would have meant "game over"
for now and I was having too much fun.
;=()

So all I have to say at this point is
Thankyou Thankyou Thankyou again,
Jack!!!

(Told a woman at work about your
website for her and her husband and she
said "Thank God! I was just thinking
about that today what a raw deal men
have gotten in this regard. Heard on
radio someone ask a man "what does
'make it last all night' say to you?"")

This am 3rd session had interesting
development. After 1st orgasm
(smallish but nice) energy dropped way
down. Didn't seem like emotional circuit
breaker (???) because I still felt great,
just totally relaxed as if after ejac. but
unlike in that situation, stimulation still felt
great, but very different. Sort of floaty and
full body blissful like a mild version of er,
um psychedelic drug of some sort. Then
had a number of pleasure waves, not
orgasms per se but very nice. Then after
awhile energy picked back up some for
more intensity.

It seems to me that at least one of the
things the KS is doing is that the first 1/2
of the sound gives the urogenital
diaphragm a good stretch and then the
2nd 1/2 of the sound sort of vibrates it.
Like the KS presses the sexual energy
way down and then bounces it up
throughout my body as if that diaphragm
were a trampoline.

Hi Geoffrey,

first off, let me just say, many congratulations on your rapid success in this practice! I'm sure you won't be disappointed with what you discover down the road either!
About your comments RE: the Key Sound...

>It seems to me that at least one of the
>things the KS is doing is that the first >1/2
>of the sound gives the urogenital
>diaphragm a good stretch and then the
>2nd 1/2 of the sound sort of vibrates it.
>Like the KS presses the sexual energy
>way down and then bounces it up
>throughout my body as if that diaphragm
>were a trampoline.

I found this very insightful, and an apt description. Personally, I have come to think of the second part of the Key Sound as a, "scoop," drawing my sexual energy from the first chakra, up through the rest, and out with that sound.
I have found that these feelings can range from a, "bounce," as you described, to a long, smooth, "roll," depending on how I express that sound and it's, "rolling," quality. A faster sound, with a quicker roll, seems to create more of a bounce for me. A longer sound, with a deeper, smoother roll, tends to feel more like that gentle, "scooping," action I described.
I'm looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts with this aspect of practice. In the meantime, I certainly hope you'll have a chance to come share your experiences with us at the live chats sometime, and perhaps receive advice for any fine tuning you'd like in your practice.
Congratulations once again on your quantum leap into new pleasures!

Have Fun,

Pan :-)





This am 3rd session had interesting
development. After 1st orgasm
(smallish but nice) energy dropped way
down. Didn't seem like emotional circuit
breaker (???) because I still felt great,
just totally relaxed as if after ejac. but
unlike in that situation, stimulation still felt
great, but very different. Sort of floaty and
full body blissful like a mild version of er,
um psychedelic drug of some sort. Then
had a number of pleasure waves, not
orgasms per se but very nice. Then after
awhile energy picked back up some for
more intensity.

It seems to me that at least one of the
things the KS is doing is that the first 1/2
of the sound gives the urogenital
diaphragm a good stretch and then the
2nd 1/2 of the sound sort of vibrates it.
Like the KS presses the sexual energy
way down and then bounces it up
throughout my body as if that diaphragm
were a trampoline.

Thanks to all who contributed to this thread. I have now obtained Jack's CD and has listened twice; but pressing circumstances in both my private and professional life (all positive, BTW) are really not conducive to beginning a serious effort to use the protocols. The information shared here confirms my feeling that I should plan to begin when (1) things settle down a bit personally and professionally, (2) when I am rested, (3) when I am a bit more acquainted with the points made on the CD and in this forum. I can see how much discipline is required, not an easy assignment for a goal-oriented person. Perhaps non-ejaculatory orgasm begin the head and body only when both are calm and ready to make baby-steps together. Jack, the CD is great and the forum provides context. Thanks again to all. - BobR

On 7/26/03 5:58:00 AM, bobr wrote:

> ...I can see how
>much discipline is required,
>not an easy assignment for a
>goal-oriented person.

Bobr,

Rather than discipline, it is more like acquiring or cultivating an
ability to be relaxed, easeful, and patient. And certainly being goal
oriented can cause problems as well because you will tend to
"live" in the result you want rather than in the process of life, or of
being fully present to each particular moment.

You are on the right track. I, and the others here I am sure, wish
you luck and will help you where we can, if you need it.