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Part, the First: From a recent Aneros conversation...

Sky_Walker wrote:

Aneros Super Users- Your thoughts please.
Ok, I've been practicing with my Progasm for about 6 months now and I feel like I'm getting on the right track. I just want to compare notes.
I'm finding that by the time I'm fully relaxed that little toy is really wanting to get going, I've already got a light contraction going, a sort of pulling in, without me even thinking about it, at this point if I apply a little more of a squeeze the Progasm will wiggle gently all by itself, quite a pleasant feeling, I can keep this up for some time but it doesn't really lead anywhere. Finally I try all manner of contractions, one of my favorites is to just very slightly move the Progasm in and out by varying the strength of my squeeze maybe twice a second.
Now previous threads suggest I'm trying and this is counter productive, But if I don't "try" nothing happens at all!
So whats the typical basic plan for all you super-Oers?
For example:
A
1. Use relaxation technique.
2. Hold a light contraction for 2 minutes.
3. relax again and let the waves come.

or
B
1. Use relaxation technique (I've got that bit now, thanks to Alana)
2. stroke and squeeze that little bugger for dear life.
3. collapse in exhaustion
4. Come to in super O land.


I reckon its more like A, but I want some detail in the contractions you use. Strength, duration, pulsing etc. I realise we all have different things that work and they may not necessarily work for me, but I'd like some ideas.
Any replies will be greatly appreciated
Thanks
Sky_Walker

Pan wrote:

Hey Sky_Walker,

personally, I use option C:

1. Relax and do nothing (no contractions or strokes).
2. Lose myself in the most erotic sexual fantasy I can imagine.
3. Begin to focus that fantasy almost entirely on the sensations of continuous, intensely pleasurable ejaculatory orgasm(s).
4. Continue imagining that I am enjoying endless orgasmic ejaculatory contractions until my body automatically triggers a Super-O.
5. Repeat steps 2-4 until satisfied.

Option C (what I like to call the "Fantasy Method") requires no physical effort and as long as you remain focused purely on enjoying your fantasy, conveniently bypasses any sense of "trying." Focusing exclusively on your fantasy rather than your body or the Aneros (pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!) helps remove your conscious involvement from the process and allows your body to give you the Super-O. It's simply the fastest, easiest, and most direct way I know to achieve and enjoy Super-O's, especially for those who feel "stuck on the edge." It also happens to be a lot of fun.

Hope this helps.

Best of luck!

Pan...

...artform wrote:

Hi again Sky_Walker and Pan, matt and chris_SoCal!

This is a key conversation, IMHO. And I believe it points to flexibility too in our full range of experience potentials.

Plan C is what works for me too. Thanks Pan for your particulars here and again for our previous discussions of our similar physical histories! It is fascinating that your imagery is so ejaculation focused when differentiating orgasmic response from ejaculation response is a crucial step in both Aneros and KSMO. So, once having accomplished the rewiring of the differentiation, as you have, using the imagery of ejaculation does not take you back into the ejaculation circuitry, I assume!?!

My imagery is different and secondary...

Whoops! Got to go... will return and complete that thought later

all the best all

artform
_________________
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we are all reconnected...

...Pan wrote:


Quoting artform throughout:
Hi again Sky_Walker and Pan, matt and chris_SoCal!


Hey artform! I'm so glad you decided to join the discussion!

Quote:
This is a key conversation, IMHO. And I believe it points to flexibility too in our full range of experience potentials.


I certainly agree. And I hope that by further discussing alternatives like the Fantasy Method, we can help to provide a greater sense of freedom and flexibility in how each of us may choose to enjoy our Aneros sessions.

Quote:
Plan C is what works for me too.


Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

Quote:
Thanks Pan for your particulars here and again for our previous discussions of our similar physical histories!


No need to thank me brother. I've always been grateful for our discussions regarding how these practices intersect with our physical challenges. It's heartening for me to know we are traveling on similar paths and still reaping similar rewards!

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It is fascinating that your imagery is so ejaculation focused when differentiating orgasmic response from ejaculation response is a crucial step in both Aneros and KSMO.


Indeed, I can see how it makes for a bit of a paradox! LOL.

I suppose a little more explanation is in order here. When describing the Fantasy Method, I recommend focusing on the sensations of ejaculatory orgasm for a couple reasons:

First - the process building up to and including ejaculation, involves all of the same nerves, muscles, etc associated with the Super-O, and most importantly the prostate. And since the body doesn't know the difference between an imagined ejaculation and a real one, vividly fantasizing about it, stimulates all of those areas automatically (often much more so than contractions alone). This stimulation leads to an increase in pleasurable awareness of the prostate. And since the Aneros is already gently massaging that area (even without any contractions), once a certain "critical mass" of sensation is achieved in that area, the body naturally responds to the presence of the Aneros with the same automatic, involuntary contractions associated with both ejaculation and the Super-O. This is the crossroads where these two, seemingly opposite physiological responses intersect. The spontaneous orgasmic contractions are essentially the same. However without physical penile stimulation and/or erection, the body simply defaults to the Super-O (and all of the wonderful pleasures that come with it!).

Second - I find that the Fantasy Method works best by drawing on and amplifying sense memories from one's previous orgasmic experiences. Since I've only discussed this method with new practitioners thus far, I try to keep the instructions within their current realm of orgasmic experience, which is most likely limited to ejaculation. It's a sensation that all men can associate with, so in my opinion, it's the best place to start.

Of course, as one's repertoire expands, so does one's options until they are only as limited as one's imagination.

Personally, I use the Fantasy Method as a powerful form of self-hypnosis to help enhance and expand everything from full-body orgasms and kundalini awakenings, to emotional and spiritual growth. But it all started as an experiment to see what would happen if I focused purely on the sensations of continual ejaculatory orgasm without actually doing anything physical. The result was my first fantasy-generated Super-O.

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So, once having accomplished the rewiring of the differentiation, as you have, using the imagery of ejaculation does not take you back into the ejaculation circuitry, I assume!?!


As a matter of fact, after a few years, it did eventually lead me to experience some involuntary ejaculations (and also what I call "streaming ejaculations," where the semen pours out slowly in one continuous stream), during my Aneros sessions. Eventually, I found myself so "in tune" with my ejaculatory process that I could in fact, ejaculate in as little as a couple minutes, even without the Aneros or any physical stimulation at all. And it's an ability that has stayed with me ever since.

For awhile, I was indeed slightly concerned that I might have taken the re-wiring process a little too far. But within a few months, I found myself settling into a very comfortable balance between wet and dry orgasms, where both seemed equally more accessible to me than before.

In terms of multiple, dry, KSMO-style orgasms and/or Super-O's, I can still enjoy them for hours during sex, masturbation, or Aneros sessions without feeling any urge to ejaculate, just like before. I still average about one voluntary ejaculation per week or less, and almost never ejaculate involuntarily, as has been the case for the past 7 years or so. If anything, I feel that through this process I have simply gained a whole new area to explore in terms of how I choose to ejaculate. And I must admit, as time goes by, I find ejaculating purely through fantasy far more pleasurable than any other method, except of course, while making love to my wife.

Currently, on the days that I do choose to ejaculate, I am learning to hover at the Point of No Return for long periods of time, purely through fantasy, without the Aneros or any form of physical stimulation. It's basically a form of mental "edging," that oddly enough seems to be helping me expand my non-ejaculatory orgasmic capacity even more. I've never seen this particular practice discussed anywhere, so if anyone else is doing it, I'd love to compare notes!

Quote:
My imagery is different and secondary...


As well it should be! Like I said, as far as the Fantasy Method goes, the focus on ejaculation is just a launching point for those who have yet to experience multiple orgasms or the Super-O. Once that has been achieved, the possibilities are limitless.

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Whoops! Got to go... will return and complete that thought later

all the best all

artform[/url]


LOL! Well, as always I'm greatly anticipating your thoughts on this.

Until then!

Pan...

...artform wrote:

Quoting Pan throughout;
from artform quotes:
Hi again Sky_Walker and Pan, matt and chris_SoCal!

Hey artform! I'm so glad you decided to join the discussion!

Thanks brother Pan. My delay in getting back and picking up this discussion with you is due to continued problems and rest in healing from another whiplash and concussion injury, this time pedestrian, rather than the two close vehicular ones of my late teens.

Quote,quote
This is a key conversation, IMHO. And I believe it points to flexibility too in our full range of experience potentials.

I certainly agree. And I hope that by further discussing alternatives like the Fantasy Method, we can help to provide a greater sense of freedom and flexibility in how each of us may choose to enjoy our Aneros sessions.

I have found both the Fantasy method and what I have called the Muscle Memory method to be very useful additional arrows in the quiver. But Muscle Memory may be limited to those experienced with yoga or at least successful inner body visualization: being able to mentally connect with a specific body element, isolate and activate it in an unusual way. For example focusing on a wound, visible or internal and actually being able to accelerate its healing.

I used my MGX, when I had temporarily reached a plateau before any Aneros-induced Super-O, and practised having my prostate and its rectal muscle wall cover reach out to contact the tip of the MGX and have them caress it. I called it "polishing the knob". Mine does this hungrily for mrs. a's finger anytime!

Perhaps that was the key, butt it worked with the Aneros and I could then replicate that sensation anytime at will without the Aneros and launch the energies, the Butt Buzz and P-waves, mini-Os and dry-Os and beyond... anytime. The muscles there actually flex gently when I "recall" that memory and the physical stimulus prostate fuse is ignited that easily. Perhaps it's just the trick of an adept with an unusual background. Or, this might be useful for others needing to "do something", just as the Fantasy Method has wide appeal and application.

Quote, quote:
Plan C is what works for me too.

Somehow that doesn't surprise me.

Indeed!

Quote,quote:
Thanks Pan for your particulars here and again for our previous discussions of our similar physical histories!

No need to thank me brother. I've always been grateful for our discussions regarding how these practices intersect with our physical challenges. It's heartening for me to know we are traveling on similar paths and still reaping similar rewards!

The biggest irony this time is that in healing this time I have been able to make improvements in my posture and found a clear energy path up the spine/neck without the constrictions that had been difficult to overcome in circulating the energies. It seems analogous to the idea of breaking a badly set broken arm to reset it properly. Though I had no intention of going through all this again, , as the saying goes, anything that doesn't kill you, improves you (if you recognize how to leverage it!)

On reflection, all the healing we each have had to do has had to have been a major influence on our body/mind response to this erotic and general neural rewiring. Since the individual journey that each and all of us take with the disciplines of male multiple dry orgasms, and the full life force and spiritual energies one can reach through this learning and these experiences are necessarily influenced to a greater or lesser degree by our earlier experiences in life, worst case would be a lonely highly individualized unique journey.

The great thing of course is that that extreme is not the way it works for most and it is great to see others adopting and progressing faster using your description of the Fantasy Method here! Mrs. a and I are so grateful for Aneros and KSMO and the huge leaps they have enabled for us. The sharing of stories is also a sharing of these energies and we are also so grateful to you and your wife for sharing yours here and on Jack's CD set.

Quote, quote:
It is fascinating that your imagery is so ejaculation focused when differentiating orgasmic response from ejaculation response is a crucial step in both Aneros and KSMO.


Indeed, I can see how it makes for a bit of a paradox! LOL.

I suppose a little more explanation is in order here. When describing the Fantasy Method, I recommend focusing on the sensations of ejaculatory orgasm for a couple reasons:

First - the process building up to and including ejaculation, involves all of the same nerves, muscles, etc associated with the Super-O, and most importantly the prostate. And since the body doesn't know the difference between an imagined ejaculation and a real one, vividly fantasizing about it, stimulates all of those areas automatically (often much more so than contractions alone). This stimulation leads to an increase in pleasurable awareness of the prostate. And since the Aneros is already gently massaging that area (even without any contractions), once a certain "critical mass" of sensation is achieved in that area, the body naturally responds to the presence of the Aneros with the same automatic, involuntary contractions associated with both ejaculation and the Super-O. This is the crossroads where these two, seemingly opposite physiological responses intersect. The spontaneous orgasmic contractions are essentially the same. However without physical penile stimulation and/or erection, the body simply defaults to the Super-O (and all of the wonderful pleasures that come with it!).

Second - I find that the Fantasy Method works best by drawing on and amplifying sense memories from one's previous orgasmic experiences. Since I've only discussed this method with new practitioners thus far, I try to keep the instructions within their current realm of orgasmic experience, which is most likely limited to ejaculation. It's a sensation that all men can associate with, so in my opinion, it's the best place to start.

Of course, as one's repertoire expands, so does one's options until they are only as limited as one's imagination.

Personally, I use the Fantasy Method as a powerful form of self-hypnosis to help enhance and expand everything from full-body orgasms and kundalini awakenings, to emotional and spiritual growth. But it all started as an experiment to see what would happen if I focused purely on the sensations of continual ejaculatory orgasm without actually doing anything physical. The result was my first fantasy-generated Super-O.


Agreed! And I too think that there is strong self-hypnosis here. At summer camp in my early teens I was found to be a good hypnosis/self-hypnosis participant, particularly in pain control. Soon after that I took up my early practice of yoga, again with pain control as part of the motivation and early successes.

Quote,quote:
So, once having accomplished the rewiring of the differentiation, as you have, using the imagery of ejaculation does not take you back into the ejaculation circuitry, I assume!?!


As a matter of fact, after a few years, it did eventually lead me to experience some involuntary ejaculations (and also what I call "streaming ejaculations," where the semen pours out slowly in one continuous stream), during my Aneros sessions. Eventually, I found myself so "in tune" with my ejaculatory process that I could in fact, ejaculate in as little as a couple minutes, even without the Aneros or any physical stimulation at all. And it's an ability that has stayed with me ever since.

For awhile, I was indeed slightly concerned that I might have taken the re-wiring process a little too far. But within a few months, I found myself settling into a very comfortable balance between wet and dry orgasms, where both seemed equally more accessible to me than before.

In terms of multiple, dry, KSMO-style orgasms and/or Super-O's, I can still enjoy them for hours during sex, masturbation, or Aneros sessions without feeling any urge to ejaculate, just like before. I still average about one voluntary ejaculation per week or less, and almost never ejaculate involuntarily, as has been the case for the past 7 years or so. If anything, I feel that through this process I have simply gained a whole new area to explore in terms of how I choose to ejaculate. And I must admit, as time goes by, I find ejaculating purely through fantasy far more pleasurable than any other method, except of course, while making love to my wife.

Currently, on the days that I do choose to ejaculate, I am learning to hover at the Point of No Return for long periods of time, purely through fantasy, without the Aneros or any form of physical stimulation. It's basically a form of mental "edging," that oddly enough seems to be helping me expand my non-ejaculatory orgasmic capacity even more. I've never seen this particular practice discussed anywhere, so if anyone else is doing it, I'd love to compare notes!

Nor have I. In my youth I never had a "wet dream" or any "nocturnal emissions". Since taking up Aneros and KSMO however, I have had evidence in my briefs in the morning on several occasions that this can be a late onset phenomenon. So separating the orgasmic response from the ejaculatory response seems to have also freed up the ejaculatory one too!

Although I am sensitive to my dreams, I have had no memories associated with these events on waking. Just sitting here typing the body/mind is rummaging around down there to feel just what can be put together to make this work. My hunch is that I have been subconsciously playing in that direction somewhere below one of my favourite liminal perches, hypnagogia. As always you are an inspiration! Another Flow phenomenon on the sensory/sensual horizon...

Wait a minute! If I was tossing or moving significantly in my sleep, mrs. a would waken and... Perhaps my nocturnal emissions are flows... Who knows... yet

Anybody else?

Quote,quote:
My imagery is different and secondary...

As well it should be! Like I said, as far as the Fantasy Method goes, the focus on ejaculation is just a launching point for those who have yet to experience multiple orgasms or the Super-O. Once that has been achieved, the possibilities are limitless.


Yes, limitless. I understand the appeal and utility of focusing on the body/mind's established experience of orgasm while withholding any penile stimulus. It too is a form of muscle/nerve memory technique training in that sense. It is a wonderful alternate route to the bigger dry orgasmic responses! I have always had energetic responses to music, other arts and environment experiences. Those energies can be chi (life force) or shen (spiritual), butt they can also be jing (orgasmic) to use the Taoist naming tradition. esfenoides has a current thread Non-erotic orgasms, aneros can be non sexual Aneros Forum where the spiritual orgasm thoughts come forward again. I again included your link to the Michael Winn article The Quest for Spiritual Orgasm.

As we all get to the full spectrum of energies through these practices our whole "being in the world" can be felt as an orgasmic adventure. Long before joining Jack's KSMO group, I loved resonance and feeling sound/music in specific parts of my body. The more pleasure-inducing parts quickly became a priority. I have had a prostate resonant tuning for singing for years. Up, up and away... In a recent KSMO Chat, I mentioned that I had tuned my Key Sound to resonate with my prostate. Jack LOLed. I think that is part of why KSMO worked so soon, so naturally and so powerfully for me.

I have grown up with a case of synaesthesia, of cross-over sensory inputs and imagery. Music can therefore be visual, tactile and kinaestheic, as well as auditory, all at once. All the senses can trigger and mix easily and fantastically, so I have a repertoire of professional and recreational memories and imaginings that contain energies that can and do concentrate as JING! and away we go!

We do Chi Walking and other specific Taoist techniques too to gather and concentrate chi and, as Jack says, "calmpost" that energy into the whole body/mind system to go spiritual voyaging and/or high energetic orgasmic adventures with mrs. a!

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Whoops! Got to go... will return and complete that thought later

all the best all

artform[/url]

LOL! Well, as always I'm greatly anticipating your thoughts on this.

Until then!

Pan

Great to have this time warp chat Pan!

Have you seen the recent KSMO Chat and Jack's suggested tour of the site search "microcosmic orbit"? Hope to chat live with you again soon!

all the best to you and your wife, and all who are experimenting with these imagery and muscle memory methods

artform
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as we rewire
we are all reconnected

PS Pan!

After reflecting on your Sperm Flow Orgasms I had another possible connection cum to mind and a further question...

First the possible connection. Mrs. a has developed the ability for female ejaculatory orgasms, but she does not "squirt", that is project a fluid stream out and through the air. She flows from relatively rapidly (large volume over 30 seconds to a minute) to slower and sometimes periodic (3 to 10 minutes). Ergo my naming her phenomena the "flowing waters of the goddess".

So, I wonder if you, having several layers of rewiring and alternative circuits, are into a circuit that facilitates this kind of range in females as also being available for males?

The "further" question is simple. You have described this sperm flow as very pleasurable. Would you call it another form of orgasm, possibly a Sperm Flow Orgasm?

OK, one more question. Do you get, or can you open up, the same complete sensations and pleasure without the actual flow? The feeling of having gone beyond PONR without the flow actually happening?

your forensic friend

artform
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as we rewire
we are all reconnected

Sire, Thus endeth Part, The First;

truly our adumbration in your honour

We remain Sire, your humble ambassadors to the Point of All Return, the endless Mulitiverse, and worlds beyond, etc., etc...

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artform
as we rewire
we are all reconnected

Jolly well done Milord... Quite dashing, really!!!

Splendiferous and you have most certainly earned the title of
Knight of The MultiOrgasmic Realm!

Pray do continue, I should hope!