I posted this in my blog, but I thought I'd throw this in the forum to get it out there.

Hello, everybody!

It's always great to see a vibrant community dedicated to the betterment of our fellow man. I was drawn to Jack's method of orgasm control because I've had longstanding problems with premature ejaculation. The only thing that seemed to help was relaxing before sex (giving my girlfriend a long massage that would also force me to slow down, breathe deep, and relax) or taking SSRI medications. Essentially, my goal is to be able to allow myself to love and experience higher and extended levels of pleasure without ejaculating.

I brought these concerns to Jack in an e-mail and he was very encouraging. However, I felt that he made it seems that most people practicing MMO aren't able to separate their orgasms from ejaculation during all forms of sexual stimulation with a partner (more vigorous forms of sex). While I truly value and respect the deeply spiritual nature of allowing deep pleasure to be experienced alone and with a partner WITHOUT traditional sexual rules applying, I still feel that the ultimate goal for me is to be able to master the ability to tolerate high levels of pleasure into the bedroom with my partner, whether or not she knows anything about MMO. Is this a logical goal to have or am I fooling myself?

I know it would be valuable to me on some level to be able to let go and change my whole understanding of sexuality the way MMO awakens in an individual, but I think I'd prefer not to go down this path at this time in my life unless I can reasonably expect it to lead to my above mentioned goal. Any thoughts? I'd really appreciate it.

Anyway, thanks for being out here, pushing the limits of human experience. Very cool stuff.

Hi Doc!

Welcome to the KSMO forums & family. My name is Laly and I've been practicing the KS method for over 3 years now. I don't have P/E issues but I do relate with the being able to relax.


That's great you were able to get one on one with Jack- he's AWESOME in that regard . in the aspect of "most" aren't able to separate the orgasm from ejaculation, I'd agree ; HOWEVER, this in my opinion may be due to to individual's 'wanting' to ejaculate rather than just experiencing the pleasures of a key sound orgasm together. That is he or she reaches what Jack terms "point of no return". You can do a Google™ Site Search for this - Point of no return. Here are just a few threads on here discussing this very topic.

Hmmmm.... I can only speak from my personal experiences here and say both will come - I do invite you to allow yourself to be open to feeling -- whatever that may come up for you....no matter what it is-- and make note of it. Take it a step at a time, a practice at a time and see how things go- hmm- okay??

Once again...welcome...


Anyway, thanks for being out here, pushing the limits of human experience. Very cool stuff.[/QUOTE]

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Laly
Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".

Laly,

You're a saint and a scholar. Thanks. I've had my first session and it was weird. Not bad. The sensations were altogether new to me, like a vibration, first in my hands, then chest and belly. I have to admit, I was more than a little skeptical about all this until I tried it.

AWWWw thanks ...

AWESOME on those new feelings/ sensations and YOU NOTING THEM!!! high 5s Doc!!!

Yeah -- i can still remember my first session- all I noted was tingling along my thighs at that point. But as I went along I noticed and played with different laying down positions and tilting of head 'just so' so that the KS resonated in my chest.

By my 5th session I experienced my first multiple orgasm- and lemme just say it scared the livin' crap out of me-- just wasn't "prepared" for it -- not expecting it and BAM!! it happened.
That wasn't to scare you-- but to let you know-- be open and note anything and relax-- don't force, chase those feelings. Just keep on doing what you're doing now.

If you could see my face right now- the tears are just flowing down my face as I type- the happiness I feel for you in what you've achieved thus far (don't worry- crying is of joy and bliss not sadness) Bliss tears is what Jack'd say...

Keep on practicing and once again WAY TO GROW!!!

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With Love, Light and with a Joyously singing heart,
Laly
Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".

Thanks for such kind words and sentiments, Laly. This must be such a powerful experience if the thought of someone discovering it is giving you tears of joy. There must be great things in store for me.

Had my 3rd session the other day and things are intensifying. I'm having some trouble with trying to push it too hard and have difficulty limiting myself to just a single brief caress, but I feel my capacity for allowing and letting go is increasing.

Doc....yes this method is a VERY powerful learning experience.

As I progressed in my KSMO journey I found myself more energy-tically open to the vibrations sent out= by people and in the world around me.

in my early sessions of KSMO I wrote posts AS i was doing my key sounds...typing what I was feeling as they occurred-- the echos I mean. Now it is so common place for me-- i just enjoy them.

I can say- that KSMO can transform your life. I am one testimony to that-- KSMO has taken a very bitter, angry, frustrated, scared woman and working through those negative thoughts and fur-balls that arose...I have become the woman that I truly was meant to be. *begins to cry


Sorry -- that just happens whenever I recall the journey I've undertaken thus far. The struggles, the patience I chose (i almost said HAD to) to employ -- to not rush myself, but to take each day as I arrived - fresh and full of opportunities.

Love yourself for WHO YOU ARE!! (hugs)

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With Love, Light and with a Joyously singing heart,
Laly
Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".

Hey Doc,

It's great to have you as a part of our community. I think most guys can relate to what you were discussing above. I've found that KSMO has helped me to rewire myself and allow my body's orgasmic pleasure level to increase which has allowed me to go longer, hours longer! Check out my post on KSMO and Sex. In the meant time as you're learning to allow KSMO to rewire your body for greater levels of pleasure, maybe try one to two glasses of wine before you engage in sex with your wife as I've heard that this can work to help delay ejaculation. Just a thought.

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Doc, I wonder if you would kindly be willing to update us on how you've been getting on with the PE? I have also been suffering from this and am hoping to find some resolution.

I'm new to the programme and am not yet sure whether the division of ejaculation and orgasm that is often spoken about is 1) the ability to delay ejaculation longer than normal during "regular" intercourse whilst enjoying MOs, or 2) the ability to enjoy MOs but without affecting the penis's ability to cope with stimulation (ie. if stimulated, there will still be ejaculation). It would perhaps make sense to me (based on a range of reading) that the dispersement of nervous energy away from the penis (after all, if you feel, say, tingling in your shoulders during an MO, that is energy in the nervous system) helps to stop the overwhelming urge to ejaculate. However I would really like some clarity on this. Like you, I accept that this might be deemed a "closed" view of sexuality, but it is certainly one of the major parts of my sexual life that I am looking to evolve.

Many thanks in advance - and I would of course welcome comments from more experienced practitioners of KSMO!

Hi loli, welcome to the forum. And Hi Doc!

>I'm new to the programme and am not yet sure whether the division of ejaculation and orgasm that is often spoken about is 1) the ability to delay ejaculation longer than normal during "regular" intercourse whilst enjoying MOs, or 2) the ability to enjoy MOs but without affecting the penis's ability to cope with stimulation (ie. if stimulated, there will still be ejaculation).<

In the case of traditional male orgasm by means of manipulation to ejaculation or conventional partner sex, ejaculation can occur long before the erotic emotional sensation of orgasm has reached its full potential. It seems to me that the principal desired result of a KSMO practice is to be able to separate orgasm from ejaculation. Consequently - and this is the amazing result of by-passing ejaculation - the intensity of the arousal and resulting orgasmic sensations are allowed rise far, far higher. A by-product of this process is, of course, that without ejaculation repeated tireless orgasms are possible, continuing for hours if desired

But you already know all that!

Once having trained yourself to do this, what you do with the KSMO skill is entirely up to you, and there seem to be multiple possibilities. I don't have personal experience of employing the KSMO skill in partner sex but there seems to be plenty of evidence on the forum that this can be greatly enhanced by delaying ejaculation so that higher levels of arousal and resulting orgasmic intensity can be achieved. Likewise for a KSMO-adept partner. I don't recognise an either/or situation as a KSMO training objective.

IMHO, learning and applying the KSMO skill is like fitting a supercharger to a car engine, attaching reheat to a military jet, giving the bite to a tiger, the kick to a mule, the Aneros a boost, adding cream to coffee (if you like that).........what you do with it is your choice!

I hope that helps. If not I hope some others will respond.

Mog

Hi Doctor
Wlcome and Good start.It's great to know you've joined this connected group.
It sounds as though you're well on track with KSMO.
And as mog said once "KSMO enhances all sexual practices"!
I am married and practice KSMO alone and during sex with my good lady.It heightens the ability to savour each sensation without "rushing to orgasm" and enjoying the journey rather than focusing on the "goal" of ejaculation.This may help with your P/E especially if you focus on touching,and avoiding penetrative sex to start off with.I am not an expert on P/E but believe that's what Masters and Johnson advise in their famous book (don't shoot if I'm wrong here!)
It will open your mind in ways you will not believe and I have found life to be richer nowin all aspects.
Cheers
A