Hi All,
As always with newbies there's plenty of questions and we're so keen we don't even have the time to read all the other threads to find our answers, we just want to shout it out, these new experiences, they're almost frightening!
Let me introduce myself, I'm 43, Aussie, married 18 years to a wonderful woman who already has multiples (no, not KSMO, she says she was born like that!) Although, when she's in a deep sleep she sounds a little like Darth Vader, sorta sounds like a Key Sound? Anyway, I've played Aneros for a while in search of MMO but it's fully satisfying my wife is what I really want, and the freedom from ejaculation, if you know what I mean. Some fantastic people over at the Aneros forum pointed me in this direction, and, well, here I am! With two others I might add, Hi slipperybugger and J_4.
So I've had about five 20 minute sessions of practice of the Key Sound and I reckon I've got it 90% of the time, a couple of times I run out of puff or it just doesn't resonate properly, still, I'm getting lots of echoes so I must be on the right track. My questions are about the protocol and following it as best I can.
Problem #1, Jack says avoid ejaculation the same day as practice, now, what the wife wants, the wife gets, twice this week I've broken this protocol (no, not bragging), I'm not sure if this will continue. Is this a major problem?
Problem #2, These echoes are getting stronger at night and the next day, I had a practice session late this afternoon and went to bed at about 21:30, within five minutes of lying down I felt the "echoes", a tingly feeling between my upper thighs and my belly. I was fully relaxed, I didn't touch anything, I just "allowed" these to build without focusing on them too much at all, low and behold a few minutes later I'm getting a mild orgasmic feeling, no erection, in fact I was compelled to check the sheets, I was convinced I'd ejaculated. (I hadn't). The feelings left me only to return a few minutes later to happen again!! AM I ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THIS EFFECT??? Is this "on protocol" or should I just ignore them without trying to build the feelings. I'm only a newbie at this, I was expecting this sort of thing during the practice sessions. Am I on the track? I'm having trouble not playing with it as it feels so good! I went for a third but I decided log on and post a thread here while it's fresh in my mind.
Is that fawn leading me into the woods where I'll never find it? I just don't wanna chase it away!
Any comments would be greatly appreciated.
Sky_Walker

Hi Sky-Walker,

Just a quick response:

>Problem #1, Jack says avoid ejaculation the same day as practice, now, what the wife wants, the wife gets, twice this week I've broken this protocol (no, not bragging), I'm not sure if this will continue. Is this a major problem?<

I hope somebody else will pop up to opine on this because I wasn't so very good at observing the guidelines as I should have been when I started on the KSMO. But my general thought is that the fastest and most effective progress would be by following the guidelines as closely as possible. But bear in mind that the guidelines are just guidelines, not immutable rules (I think Jack would not disagree with that) and it's no hanging offence to divert occasionally if a new and exciting prospect appears during your practice. But, if my own experience has been typical, it's probably true to say that substantial and frequent departure from the Protocol would slow down your progress.

>Problem #2, These echoes are getting stronger at night and the next day...........<

Have you had these echoes during Aneros practice or are they a new KSMO-thing for you? I ask just out of curiosity because now, being fairly adept at both, I can't separate the two practices to know what is due to which!

>I was convinced I'd ejaculated. (I hadn't). The feelings left me only to return a few minutes later to happen again!!<

Is this new to you as well? If yes, you seem to be having some early results from KSMO. If no, I expect your Aneros practice has already set you off down the MMO trail (perhaps both). However, you should welcome these echoes whenever they occur, inside or outside of your training sessions, because they are a sure sign that your re-wiring is progressing nicely.

>AM I ALLOWED TO PLAY WITH THIS EFFECT???......... Is this "on protocol"......?<

I would say yes to that if they are occurring spontaneously, but keep passive all the time - don't stimulate except for an occasional light touch in your favourite places and don't deliberately ejaculate in your training sessions. If you are following the guidelines the feelings will build on their own.

> Am I on the track?<

You appear to be firmly on track.

Mog

Hi Mog, Thanks for your quick response.
The Aneros is the complete reverse for me as far as echoes go, between Aneros sessions echoes are almost non existent and any I had were more focused in the anal area, any Aneros orgasmic responses although very slight where in that area to. With KSMO the echoes during a session are slight, and although my penis is flaccid, that's where the feelings are, in the "root" of the penis, the echoes between KSMO sessions radiate outward from that area, not in the anal area at all. I'm not really doing any "caresses" at this stage, when I did, I found it distracting more than anything.
So problem #2 is no problem at all. That leaves problem #1 which I don't think will cause any grief if doesn't occur too much.
I'll just stick to my 20 minute sessions three times a week and see what happens.
Thanks Mog for your reply.
SkyWalker

Sky_Walker, congratulations on enjoying Echo Effects™ already!

Please explain what you mean by feeling distracted by using the single caress.

Thanks!
Jack

Hi Jack, thanks for your interest.
Ok, I pretty well noticed echo effects in first 10 minutes of my of my first session, I was attuned to noticing this stuff with six months of Aneros use (minimal success, can't think of a better word ATM).
But I was aware of the importance of articulating the Key Sound, so I was concentrating on getting that right without paying heaps of attention to anything else. Still well aware of the echoes and their importance, I wanted to go step by step. A few sessions later and pretty happy with my Key Sound, I was really listening to the echoes. At some stage I did a caress at which point the echoes diminished or lost focus, I took that as being a sign that I was rushing it and will resume later. Funny thing now is when I get "out of session" echoes, I find myself tensing muscles as I would with Aneros practice, I have to concentrate to relax
Not wanting rush, I will be dealing with this before moving on to caresess.
What do you think?
Skywalker

Actually, I suggest you go ahead and introduce the caress at least every few cycles of the Key Sound™ followed by regular breathing.

Use our Google Site Search tool and search on the word autonomic for posts discussing the rationale, do a little more practice, then give us another post here, OK?

Wishing you all the best,
Jack

Hi Sky Walker, and congratulations on your early success! I have a thought after reading both your post and Jack's response. It sounds to me (unless I'm misreading something) that you are experiencing spontaneous "echoes" at night and outside your formal practice sessions. That sounds to me like you have the fawn sitting in your lap eating out of your hand, not to mix metaphors there. The ability to passively but engagingly allow the echoes to flower without having to "do" anything to bring them about is a fairly advanced stage. I wouldn't advise you to stop formal practice, but if you're getting those full blown echoes without using a basic touch (or ANY kind of touch) I would say DANCE WITH IT! See where it takes you. I mean, it sounds like you're one of the lucky ones who gets to skip a couple grades and get moved to the head of the class. I think it's important to stay relaxed and not get ahead of yourself, but I definitely wouldn't be afraid to engage with those spontaneous echo effects.

I am admittedly not an "adept" and please do listen to what Jack and Mog have to say, as they are much more experienced than I, but the analogy this exchange reminded me of is the scene from Jumanji where the young boy runs outside to get the ax he needs to fight off some giant spiders. Without thinking, he grabs the ax from next to the tool shed (which he has been told is INSIDE the tool shed), and takes two or three whacks at the door lock before realizing that the ax (which is what he's actually after) is already in his hand.

I don't have this experience too often, but I have experienced echoes that arise and can be worked with upon going to bed at night, particularly after Qigong practice. My opinion is that working with pure echo effects with absolutely no touching of ANY kind is the purest form. I wish I had access to that energy more often.

I would love to hear Jack's and Mog's opinion on that assertion as well. Good luck in any case, and I’ll be eager to hear how your experiences progress!

Hi All and Roderik thanks for your post,
I’ve been doing my 3x 20min a week practice sessions and I’ve started adding a single touch just before I inhale for the Key Sound. These sessions pass fairly quickly and I just seem to be getting into stride when time is up! The Echo Effects between the Key Sounds never really seem to build up to more than just a pleasant feeling. I reassure myself by thinking that the real work is going on at some subliminal level that I’m not aware of. Autonomic connections being made I hope.
I have also been unable to repeat the spectacular events from the other week, but just last night I was trying to get to sleep when I noticed those echoes, very weak, so I just started some deep breathing and making a key sound, but inaudible if that makes sense, my tummy was moving in the same way, I was exhaling, but no sound (I didn’t want to wake the missus), anyway, the pleasure was building, now here is something really abstract, you ready? Remember the film The Abyss? I vaguely remember this column of water rising, I’m not saying I visualise this column of water, I feel something like it rising in my abdomen and nearly to my chest, it’s a very pleasurable feeling, almost above the feeling I get when I orgasm but without the contractions. Unfortunately I end up tensing muscles, PC I think and breathing into my chest, which gets me thinking too much about what is going on, I think is a limiting factor for me at the moment. The best bit is that these weak echoes are with me nearly all the time and I can now call them up at will. I get these slight pulses low in my abdomen, I don’t know if I’m doing them or if they are echoes, weird.
I can’t wait for this weeks chat to ask Jack about what’s going on and to clarify some issues.
Skywalker

Hi Sky_Walker and Roderik.

Rod asked for an opinion:-

>My opinion is that working with pure echo effects with absolutely no touching of ANY kind is the purest form. I wish I had access to that energy more often.........I would love to hear Jack's and Mog's opinion on that assertion as well.<

>.....absolutely no touching of ANY kind is the purest form.<

Precisely so! For me there's no doubt that training/allowing just the mind and body to act together without any peripheral aids or deliberate stimulation of any kind results in the most powerful, total-body, and at the same time most delicate and sweet, orgasms that could be desired. I've had long experience of a great variety of methods aimed at generating orgasm (not boasting - just reporting) and it was not until exploring the possibilities of the KSMO that the reality of total and continuous orgasm was presented to me.

Incidentally, a comment from one of rumel's posts:-......>>I''ve learned the mind is far more influential in affecting the ability to experience pleasure than the body is in creating the pleasure.<<

>Good luck in any case, and I’ll be eager to hear how your experiences progress!<

Thanks! I'll keep writing if you'll keep practicing!

Mog