Hello all, I just purchased the KSMO a few days ago as well as joined this forum. I've actually been considering purchasing the KSMO for awhile now but held off because I didn't want it to interfere with my own practices to achieve multiples. In the last few months I've learned to be able to have ejaculations without stimulation but still couldn't achieve multiples. I feel what I've been doing (plus someone told me it sounds like this is what I've been doing) on my own without any help from others ideas and opinions, is basically advanced KSMO but without the KS. So feeling like I needed something else to push me over the edge I finally ordered the KSMO.
I began using the aneros a few years ago and had immediate success and I felt like I was going to be in heaven because on only my 3rd attempt I ended up having multiples only a few minutes into the session. But then not long after that the aneros began to not have much of an effect on me. Then I started noticing that I could recreate the feelings I get from the aneros just by mentally focusing on the arousal in my body. So I began having aneroless sessions and these were much better than the aneros sessions. And eventually through these aneroless sessions I've learned to have hands free ejaculations but couldn't figure out why I was ejaculating instead of having multiples since I wasn't touching my penis or body in any way.
The KSMO sounded like the path I'd rather take vs the aneros. As in what I do I do in my aneroless sessions seems like a good fit with KSMO. Since then I've learned what I'm doing wrong during my aneroless sessions to keep having wet orgasms instead of multiples but I'm getting ahead of myself....
Here's a link to what I was doing.
Aneros Forum

This is a copy and paste from a PM I sent a few days ago on the aneros forum.

Wow!
Ok I finally purchased the KSMO Yesterday afternoon and listened to the main part of the down load where Jack demonstrates the KS and pretty much talks a lot about teaching yourself how to experience pleasure in new ways and so on. I was a little disappointed about it cause other than the KS it really didn't present anything new to me except the idea of using the KS as a way to release the sexual energy while orgasming instead of ejaculating. But this knowledge seemed to be what I've been seeking...

So after listening the the download, I practiced doing the KS a bit but not really doing it as if I was doing a session. But soon after, my GF calls and needs a ride home from work.
She knows I DL the KSMO and so I demonstrated the KS for her and it was just hard to do it without her and I laughing.
Well Later on that evening, we end up having sex and well....

For the first time ever, I managed to redirect the sexual energy and not long into the sex (pretty much right after penetration), I began having orgasm after orgasm. Waves of them. Body shaking, me vocalizing like never before. The KS was silly when I tried to do it for her but during the sex the KS didn't feel silly at all. Specially being in a state of near constant orgasm for about 45 minutes. It was amazing. And finally the ejaculation I had was explosive. Thing is though is that I didn't even do any KS until after I was already having the orgasms. It's when the orgasm would begin to feel like it may turn into a ejaculation is when I started doing the KS.

Then like 2 hours later when lying down for bed we went again and again ended up in orgasmic bliss though not as good as the first.
Then after going to bed I wake up maybe 6 hours later and while trying to go back to sleep, I ended up having a bunch of mini O's for maybe half and hour.

So basically I haven't even done a session of KSMO yet but took the understanding of the KS right into sex and experienced the best sex I've ever had.
Now I understand that the next time we have sex it may not be the same. I remember having my early success with the aneros and thinking that I was in heaven because of how easy it was for the aneros to give me multiples but then not long after that, the aneros seemed to barely arouse me. But I feel I've definitely unlocked something that I can now tap into for sure.

One thing I think that helped put me into that state last night was I've been learning how to relax my genital area during sex especially as the arousal builds getting closer to orgasm. Instead of contracting my PC muscle or trying to "hold back", I "let go" and relax my genitalia us much as possible. By doing this I can feel deep down at the base of my penis begin to swell and it seems like the energy gathers there. Then what happened yesterday is that instead of this energy going further up the penis it instead went back into me and from there it was orgasms galore.
Anyway, I've been feeling like I've been on the verge of being able to do this but how strange that I accomplish the MMO during sex on the same day that I finally buy the KSMO!
And still the journey continues...

So I feel there's a few key elements at work besides the KS to be able to achieve multiples. First building the arousal through relaxation. For me becoming as aroused as possible but keeping the arousal in and not becoming erect is key. Then when I do become so aroused that I become erect, I relax my penis as much as possible. Doing this I can feel the tension build at the base but the energy stays there and I can still redirect it back into my body. Throw out the idea of trying to 'hold back' or contract the PC/BC muscles. I feel this quickly transfers the energy fully into the penis and then from here it's very hard to switch it back to have multiples instead of an ejaculation. Plus once I feel like the energy has switched to where now it feels like I'm heading towards a regular orgasm followed by ejaculation, then it's time to stop and try again later. It's very hard to change this once it's begun so taking a break seems like the best solution.
But most importantly, no holding back. Relaxation of the genitals is key. Then use the KS for a release valve when you feel like you may ejaculate.

Hello billy and welcome to the ksmo forums

I find it very interesting how with your session you had penetrative sex and used the ks. Normally, multiples achieved with ks you have to be completely relaxed, meaning no intercourse. I'm not sure how exactly you used it but as long as you enjoyed it I can't really try to point you in a different direction.

I'm sure there are adepts around here that will ask lots of questions about your experience with the ks.

I'm also very curious how you were able to have ejaculations without stimulation, ie hands free?

So I feel there's a few key elements at work besides the KS to be able to achieve multiples. First building the arousal through relaxation. For me becoming as aroused as possible but keeping the arousal in and not becoming erect is key. Then when I do become so aroused that I become erect, I relax my penis as much as possible. Doing this I can feel the tension build at the base but the energy stays there and I can still redirect it back into my body. Throw out the idea of trying to 'hold back' or contract the PC/BC muscles. I feel this quickly transfers the energy fully into the penis and then from here it's very hard to switch it back to have multiples instead of an ejaculation. Plus once I feel like the energy has switched to where now it feels like I'm heading towards a regular orgasm followed by ejaculation, then it's time to stop and try again later. It's very hard to change this once it's begun so taking a break seems like the best solution.
But most importantly, no holding back. Relaxation of the genitals is key. Then use the KS for a release valve when you feel like you may ejaculate.
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From what I have read, if you're trying to use the KS to keep from ejaculating you are OFF ksmo protocol. With ksmo, relaxation and VERY minimal stimulation is key. First you build your arousal and release some of that pent up energy in the form of a key sound and see what your body does from there. If you do this the ejaculation reflex isn't in use, therefor you can't ejaculate.

Just my curiousity poking through here, when you focus your energy in your genitals is that the only place you feel the orgasm? Most of the adepts here experience full body orgasms and I'm curious as to if you do as well?

Hey Crunkyeah,
first to your question...
Let me point out that I've yet to have a session of KSMO. I feel what I've been doing for the last 3 months is advanced KSMO but just without the KS. As in I've been working with building arousal through relaxation and mental intent for a bit now not realizing that I was sort of doing KSMO without the KS. I intend to have my first session of KSMO tomorrow because so far work and other things have limited my free time.
As for the multiples I experienced in the post I wrote. They were full blown full body orgasms. They weren't focused at all in my penis. It's like the energy sling shot back throughout my body. My penis felt very sensitive and felt good back the orgasmic bliss I felt through out my entire body too the point that my legs arms ect were shaking like crazy. I didn't actually do any KS until way into the multiples when I felt like I may ejaculate.
Well again I haven't really started the KSMO program. But from all the reading I've done here at this forum It sounds like using the KS during sex is a way to release the energy instead of ejaculating. That and relaxing your genitals instead of trying to 'hold back' or contract the PC muscle. I thought a part of learning KSMO is to be able to bring it into sex with a partner and use the KS to override ejaculation?
I understand this. I really didn't give the details that led up the the multiples. Here's a cut and past of a PM I sent...
The sex was spontanious first off. But she pulled my pants down and licked my penis and then began to rub her tit/tits on my 'hot spot' on the underside of my penis just below the head. Doing this I started having involuntaries to the point to where I was at the threshold of having multiples. I was so revved up that when I finally put her on her back and very slowly inserted her, the first waves of O's were hitting. And I mean very slowly. As in first just resting my head on her lips and feeling the buzz. Then sliding in but taking maybe a full minute to get my penis even half way in. So the first waves of O's were hitting me before even barely penetrating her. For the most part I just stayed inserted but didn't fuck her like normal. As in I wasn't thrusting away or anything. I think this is a key element. I feel like too much stimulation in the beginning is what kills the internal feelings and transfers them mostly into your penis.
But once the O's were hitting I found that I could thrust or penetrate much more without feeling like I was going to ejaculate. It's like once the internal O's begin, that there's no more worries of having to hold back though even still there was a few times during that session that I had to pull out for a second because I could feel that I was going to ejaculate but then I could continue on only seconds later with no problems.
I Well this is something that I've been working on for a few months but now realize I've been heading in the wrong direction though overall it's helped me to get to where I am now. Basically the way I do this is that I mentally build the arousal internally so I don't get an erection. And then when the energy builds to a certain point the erection comes. When the erection comes I then hold a slight PC contraction and if all goes well I ejaculate just from this. So the problem with this is that it ends in ejaculation instead of multiples. Plus mentally when I'm holding the contraction it's like I'm seeking the orgasm instead of letting it come to me. So I'm not using any stimulation of the hands or penis but I am contracting my PC muscle at the end there so that in itself is stimulation so that's probably why I'm ejaculating instead of having multiples.
So for here on out during my sessions I'm not going to do any more PC contractions. Just build the arousal and relax. And when the erection does come I just relax my genitals as much as possible.

I thought a part of learning KSMO is to be able to bring it into sex with a partner and use the KS to override ejaculation? --

As far as I know, the key sound is only used to awaken the feelings of arousal, then you direct the energy into the key sound. Eventually this should bring you to multiples without any stimulation. Once you can conjure up the energy (only the most experienced can do this) you don't even need the key sound for multiples.

The key sound could be used in penetrative sex but as far as I know that's not what ksmo is about.


When you were mentioning how you bring about the arousal and you flexed your PC muscles to ejaculate, I'm sure if you replaced the PC flexing with making the key sound resonate correctly you'll get the multiples you desire.

But then again, I'm totally new to conjuring up arousal just by focusing correctly. And I'm somewhat new to ksmo (never having orgasms from it). I'm just waiting for my body to rewire and show me the echo signs.

For your first session I would suggest listening to the audio seminar and reading the pdf file before sitting down for your session. I would also recommend using VERY VERY VERY little stimulation. But these are just guidelines and in the end whatever you do is your choice.

Best of luck

Today I did my first session of KSMO. For me using the KS was very distracting to building arousal. Plus It just didn't feel quite right. Like it felt like the sound was coming from my chest instead of my stomach. It was hard to build arousal and do the KS at the same time. And when I did build arousal, when I did the KS it seemed to kill the arousal and I would have to rebuild it in the next few breaths only for the KS to diminish it again. But I'm sure I'll get the hang of it.
After the KSMO session I wasn't really satisfied with it so decided to go right into and aneroless style session but told myself that I would not do any pc/bc contractions of any kind. I was having a hard time building arousal so focused on my prostate. This brought a little but not much so I decided to give my nipples two little flicks with my fingers. That instantly brought in the arousal but instead of it staying internal I slowly got an erection. Once erect I could feel the pleasure and pressure building and building at the base of my penis. It would get to the point to where I would feel like I was on the brink of orgasm and then it would hover there.
Let me add here that I'm doing absolutely no pc/bc contractions of any kind. I'm instead staying relaxed as possible really focusing on keeping my genitals relaxed as possible.
So at this point I decide to play with my nipples but just a little bit. Well this is all I needed to send me over the edge. I could feel an ejaculation coming on. I wanted to do a pc/bc contraction to stop it because I haven't ejaculated in a few days and didn't want to waste my energy but at the same time I reasoned with myself that I haven't done any muscle contracting at all and felt if maybe I just kept my genitals relaxed that instead it would turn into multiple O's with no ejaculation.
I stopped touching my nipples as soon as I felt myself getting near orgasm. But it was too late. Now the only attempt to stop the impending ejaculation was to try to do a pc/bc contraction but decided against that again in hopes that as long as I stayed relaxed that it would turn into multiples...
Well no such luck. I ended up having a hands free with very limited nipple stimulation ejaculation. So disappointing since I've been saving my sexual energy especially my ejaculation for my girl.
So basically it took maybe 10 minutes to ejaculate from the time I started my aneroless session. And when I stopped the nipple stimulation, the orgasm had already began. There was a nice long delay between orgasm and ejaculation as in the orgasm started but it took maybe 15 seconds for the ejaculation to take place. So at least it didn't happen seeming at the same time. Maybe if I'd made the KS at that point right before the orgasm turned into ejaculation that it may have sent me into multiples instead?

The good side to this is that I learned a few important things from it. One, that for me even nipple stimulation is enough to bring ejaculation. I feel that it brings too much stimulation focused on the penis instead of the whole body. Two, like I said before, I feel that just having an erection brings too much stimulation to the penis and the energy is focused too much there instead of the whole body. So I need to build arousal as high as I can with no nipple stimulation or any other kind of stimulation of any kind and keep this arousal internal and if I do begin to become erect to stop all arousal thoughts and wait till I become fully limp before continuing on.
Three, I finally proved to myself that whether I do pc/bc contractions or not, I will still have an ejaculation if I go about it in an attempt to have an orgasm instead of building the internal arousal into what may come from it. I previously was convinced that if I could bring myself to orgasm with no pc/bc contractions, that I would not ejaculate but instead at the very least have a dry orgasm instead... I was wrong about that one.
Plus during that aneroless session I could feel myself wanting to have and orgasm as I felt it getting close and so I focused my attention on achieving that instead of focusing on the internal arousal. I guess I was just so excited that I was going to have an orgasm for the first time with absolutely no pc/bc contractions of any kind.
Oh well learn from your mistakes right?

Yes I think this maybe my next step with that approach. Strange how I realized that today after my session that I just posted about and then I read your reply and see that you suggested it. Will give that a try to see if it work.

Hmmm well I already know how to awaken the arousal and amplify it and even ejaculate from it. I decided to give KSMO a go more to maybe push me in the direction of multiples instead of ejaculation. I feel learning to use the KS will help out alot with that part maybe

Before I started reading the forum here I thought with KSMO that you did no stimulation at all and I really liked that aspect of it. Not sure how I came to such beliefs other than maybe people at the aneros forums talking about it. I listened to the audio seminar but feel like I'm still going to go with no stimulation at all since stimulation seems to transfer the sexual energy from within my body to more of just in my penis.
It's funny because before reading the forums here I thought the KS meant that you listened to this audio CD or download and all it was was a sound you listened to that triggered the multiples. Like there was this KS that resonates with your brain in a certain way like brainwave entrainment to make the magic happen. I didn't realize that it was a sound that you make yourself until a few weeks ago reading through this forum. After reading this forum I started to work with just humming to bring a buzz to my prostate and that felt quite nice and that was another reason I decided to go ahead with the KSMO.
Thanks Crunkyeah for all your feedback.

I think that if you tried not to build arousal at all, relax and LET the good feelings come in. You have to clear your mind and just see where your body will take you.

I think by the time you started your orgasm your ejaculation reflex was already triggered. You would have to stop and relax and focus your entire body not just your prostate, nipples, or your head. With ksmo the advanced state of relaxation is what gets you to multiples completely bypassing the ejaculation reflex.

I have a question about this. What if you focused your energy up your spine and into your heart and brain? Have you tried this before? If not you might want to try. Sometimes my curiousity gets the best of me


That's the journey for you, exploring what your body wants to tell you.