I can get to a state where my pelvic muscles are contracting
involuntarily and I am close to orgasm:at that stage is it quicker to drive myself further by physically stimulating a key point or safer to continue key souund breathing(I have had involuntary precum with the former

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Hi jkeye, welcome to the forum

>started off experimenting on mmos with the aneros.i then tried reaching o without the aneros as suggested by a fellow aneros user.today i tried the key sound.pretty amazed at the response.after some low intensity non ejaculatory os i got to a more intense stage where i was close to orgasm and couldnt be sure if it was going to lead to eaculation or an even more intense dry one which is what i want.............I can get to a state where my pelvic muscles are contracting involuntarily and I am close to orgasm:at that stage is it quicker to drive myself further by physically stimulating a key point.....or safer to continue key souund breathing...<

If you are basically following Jack's guidelines i.e. some steady breaths, a small amount of light stimulation, a key sound, and then you feel a response anywhere in your body, you are doing well. Don't feel that you have do anything other than that - certainly don't try to excite orgasm by further manipulation and don't do anything to cause ejaculation. Your pelvic spasms are right on. But you must let your body react in its own way, and take you further only if it will.

Then repeat the cycle. Keep that up for some 20mins as Jack recommends and count that as a session.

Eventually, at some point in your training sessions, usually following the key sound, you will for the first time go into dry orgasm - don't try to promote it - don't urge it on - complete and utter relaxation in both mind and body are vital - just let your body's response happen in it's own way. The first dry orgasm might not be a biggie but it's a good start. The real biggies will follow if you keep practicing.

A point of comment: >... is it quicker to drive myself further....<

I don't expect you really meant that in the way it seems but in your sessions on no account drive yourself to do anything - willing results would be, most definitely, counter productive. Be fully relaxed and passive.

I hope that helps to answer your questions.

Although I've had great success with the KSMO I don't feel that I'm sufficiently expert on the application of the key sound to give the best advice. So I hope you might get some other replies with maybe a different perspective. Jack usually comes up with a gold-plated response.

Keep us posted on your progress and ask any further questions that you might have.

Good luck.

Mog

thanks for the great advice.last night I had a big o by releasing any erotic tension thru key sounds:question though;do you continue to release energy when you start whole body contractions thru the sound.when do you stop and does continuing thru the orgasm intensify it or prolong it?what determines the intensity of orgasm and is it reproducible each time?
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>thanks for the great advice.last night<

You're welcome!

>I had a big o by releasing any erotic tension thru key sounds:question though;do you continue to release energy when you start whole body contractions thru the sound.when do you stop and does continuing thru the orgasm intensify it or prolong it?what determines the intensity of orgasm and is it reproducible each time?<

If you've already got to the bigO you are further down the trail than I understood!

But I still have the impression that you want to "drive" things. That is not necessary, or even helpful. I feel that once you have used the key sound during arousal and gone into full-body orgasm you should let your body follow its own instincts after that. You will probably find that further sensations develop before the orgasm dies away to a low level. Only when everything has finally calmed down and you have regained control you have to decide what to do next e.g. if you want to continue your session start another key sound cycle.

I did a detailed description of my own KSMO orgasmic cycle as it was at the time of writing The Lounge: Notes from the Zone. Although it's bit voluminous you might like to look at that if you have the patience, see if it aligns in any way with your own experiences so far and get back here if you have more questions.

Mog.

Thanks for that advice!
Am going to start reading ur entry
will post back
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Mog
Thanks for pointing me to ur post.
What a great read! I felt an instant rapport with your description of the sequences of A,O and R.
I must say the furthest I have gone is the ride. But ur post has stirred in me the desire to try and get to the zone (without trying as you suggest).Previously i have stopped at the end of the ride either falling asleep at that point or stopping from exhaustion.
Your experiences fill me with excitement and anticipation,and the wonder of hoping there are infinitely new experiences awaiting.
Do you shorten your breathing or hold ur breath at orgasm to prolong it?
Cheers and thanks again

>But ur post has stirred in me the desire to try and get to the zone (without trying as you suggest).<

That's the idea! You must allow your progress to happen in it's own good time.

But don't try to copy what I have tried to describe in my post - the KSMO can result in very different experiences for different practitioners. The journey down the trail is a different one for each and every one, I feel sure.

You might like to check on some of Pan's postings.

>Your experiences fill me with excitement and anticipation,and the wonder of hoping there are infinitely new experiences awaiting.<

I'm sure you won't be disappointed. My own progress, even after a few years of the KSMO, continues to surprise me.

>Do you shorten your breathing or hold ur breath at orgasm to prolong it?<

My breathing usually stops during the Orgasm. As the Ride starts it usually begins in a shallow rapid way before it gradually returns to normal. But sometimes, during the R, it's fast and deep, sometimes a single huge and deep intake and exhale occurs. But next session - all that might be different!

But definitely do not try to adopt any kind of formula for breathing either during or after the O - just do what comes naturally. But do follow Jack's guidelines during the Arousal.

You might like to take advantage of Jack's offer to verify your key sound.

Good luck,

Mog

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Mog
My eternal gratitude for your advice and the great post you pointed me to.
Last night I went into the zone!
What did it for me was ur advice to resist reaching for the o and to passively allow things to happen even at highest intensity. Also ur advice to use the Key Sound™ during arousal but to let things take place naturally after orgasm starts.
Last night was the most intense sexual experience i have ever experienced! And to think it all happened without any artificial aids sweetened the self discovery even more.
Thanks for providing the advice to help me on my journey.
My life is changed now as a result.
MAy I ask what other "pleasures " you have had beyond the zone. I dont want to try for too much too soon but my curiosity has been awakened.
Cheers

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>Last night I went into the zone!<

That was quick! Had you been partly re-wired already, before trying the KSMO? Aneros for example?

>Last night was the most intense sexual experience i have ever experienced!And to think it all happened without any artificial aids sweetened the self discovery even more.<

That's great! - No devices, no hands, no substances, and.....(for old gits like me)......NO VIAGRA!! Just yourself!

>MAy I ask what other "pleasures " you have had beyond the zone. I dont want to try for too much too soon but my curiosity has been awakened.<

Understandably! Yes there is more beyond the Zone. I might write about it one day!

Mog

hi mog
yes i think i was rewired from my aneros use before KSMO.
"Partly rewired" is the word to use though, considering how much more i have journeyed last night.
I would love to think more pleasures await and that this isn't the end point and that i haven't finished the journey before i have even begun.
i wait expectantly for any more tasty morsels of advice you may throw my way
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