I've discovered a page on youtube "hosted" primarily by Jaiya, who talks about and demonstrates aspects of tantra, sexual touch, breathing, exercise and so on. She demonstrated "transmuting sexual energy" in a couple of her clips, which is nothing new, as I remember reading Mantak Chia's description of this process (long before I could really appreciate it) years ago, but I liked her description and demonstration. She has a lot to say which is complementary to KSMO practice in my opinion.

I've been using this technique of transmuting over the past week or two along with my newly acquired Aneros, Prostate Cradle and Chi Machine with and without the key sound. All these tools work well together and I think are worth looking into. I've found that transmuting, that is drawing the building sexual energy up, helps to keep it from painfully accumulating in the genitals for those of us who cannot yet fully discharge all the energy through the key sound. It also is helpful in bringing the energy throughout the body and changing it from purely sexual energy to a fuller, more well rounded form of energy that all aspects of mind, body and spirit can benefit from.

Here's one of her links for anyone who's interested. YouTube - Orgasm Control, LAST LONGER IN BED!

I hope this is helpful to others...it has been for me.

Thanks Roderick...I'll be checking that link out soon-- am busy packing for my bus trip up to see forum member Drew and attending a workshop that wee both hold dear to our heart...has helped us both tremendously in our journey's.

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Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".

This transmuting or transformation of the variations of these energies seems to me too to be the essential next level skill. As usual I have been bumbling ahead and have had some success with this before fully understanding all that is going on when working with this process! I too am interested in sharing resources and references on this topic. Thanks Roderick and have great trip with Drew Laly!

all the best

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Hello you two, and thanks for posting replies! I guess I don’t see transmuting as the next level of practice, because I don’t think it’s any harder than KSMO to do. I think it may work better sometimes than others, but essentially, you’re just drawing air and attention up from your genital area toward your head and contracting those PC muscles to aid you in this. What I’ve found so useful about this lately (I’ve known about it for years as I said, but rather forgot about it or neglected to use it) is that, when I’m doing an extended KSMO session and my energy is ‘up’ as I say, meaning I feel able to continue for a while without going for ejaculation, I tend to feel very tender afterward—I believe this is what they refer to as ‘blue balls’, though I don’t much care for that expression or the images it conjures up. If I haven’t been doing much stimulation but only KSMO, then this isn’t a problem. But if I’ve been doing direct stimulation, even fairly light, but with high physical arousal over extended periods and without orgasm/ejaculation/release, it leads to this build up that can leave me in some discomfort, even though I’m pleased to be able to ‘walk away’ without discharging that energy by way of ejaculating.

What the transmutation exercise seems to allow me to do is, maybe not discharge, but redistribute what would otherwise be a very heavy traffic jam of over-juiced erotic energy built up in one area of my body. Thus the discomfort. Transmuting as Jaiya describes it seems to allow me to continuously build up that excitement, transmute/redistribute it and go on for longer periods without that uncomfortable side effect. My guess is this could play very well into KSMO practice…maybe with a key sound on the third releasing breath of each ‘round’ as she calls them.

Jack has talked about releasing the energy through the key sound…I’ve very seldom been able to do this. The key sound remains for me an invocation, not a release. At least not very often. Sometimes if I’m screaming into a pillow, thus calling the ‘quality’ of my key sound into question, I’ve gotten some level of release, but I’m not so sure. Transmuting also helps exercise the perineum and sphincter muscles which are important to keep fit for any of this kind of work. Just tensing and releasing the muscles down there seems to be a kind of stimulation in and of itself. So I think this could be very useful to those, like me, who haven’t quite gotten to the point where the key sound itself releases the pressure, but who also don’t want to turn to ejaculatory release and lose that built up energy.

The energy that one saves and circulates can play right back into that warm, emotional, full body, full spirit energy that could show up later in the same session, later in the day as echoes or thoughts, feelings, etc. She talks about transmuting sexual energy in part as ejaculation control, but I don’t look at it that way. I see it as erotic/KSMO energy conservation and redistribution (regardless of whether you finally ejaculate at the end of the session or not).

Here is another link where Jaiya and her partner demonstrate several sexual and tantra activities—one of the videos (not all of them are available to watch for free) shows some spontaneous kria or automatic body convulsions happening. I thought it was quite interesting to actually see that, since I’ve only heard people talking about it before. Unlike her youtube stuff, she is nude in these videos, but they are very tastefully done. There are demonstrators other than Jaiya among these videos also. FREE Kama Sutra Online Videos - Watch FREE Kama Sutra Positions Online!

Enjoy your workshop Laly!

Thanks for this great discussion, Roderik!

To me, the squeezing / tensing model is a Yang approach that certainly may have its benefits (notwithstanding the feelings of congestion, etc.), and for males especially is what typically characterizes Western neo-tantra, it appears.

My intention in developing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ was and is to explore the power of the Yin path.

I notice that you apparently as yet haven't found a way to relax your throat enough to allow the energy to flow out through the sound as the energy rises to full intensity, so of course that energy is going to want to find somewhere else to go!

If you therefore don't ejaculate, then one typically seems to be pretty much faced with a necessity of tensing up - i.e. switching to (at least to me) a yang mode of wilfully tightening rather than the Yin of releasing.

By releasing here I don't mean by ejaculating, but by allowing the energy to flow out through sound, through the heart chakra, and through the crown chakra.

That is, for those who aren't into or comfortable with using terms such as chakras, etc. - feeling the energy flow out through a sensation of opening your heart and also the crown or top of your head and seeing and / or feeling the energy flowing from these areas, in addition to expression of spontaneous sound to the extent one can do so through a RELAXED throat so you don't strain your vocal chords!

For me this is not only an incredibly strong physical sensation, but also a visual one.

When allowing energy to flow out through sound at these levels of intensity, I am not saying it is necessary for that sound to be a Key Sound™ since that specific sound is an arousal amplifying sound...

If you're already at super high levels of arousal, it would seem that you wouldn't need to use a Key Sound™ to pump arousal even further.

So the expression of sound at these intensely orgasmic peak rushes can be other sounds - spontaneous sounds - provided that you are allowing sounds through a relaxed throat.

Due to risk of straining the vocal chords, a more complete relaxation of the vocal chords may be necessary so that the expression of energy from the throat is breath with no sound other than the rushing of the air.

The most important key to all of this in my point of view and experience is relaxation... As completely - as totally as possible - surrender to the energy expressing through every molecule of being.

Due to the intensity of the energy that can be flowing at these times, the challenges become allowing your throat to relax enough so that you are not straining your vocal chords!

For me, it's at that time when I allow the energy to flow out through my heart and crown as well as the genital area (energetically but not literal ejaculation).

It's a full and complete surrender, a release, a letting go, an allowing of the energy to flow outward through all of the energy centers of my body.

That's when the experience is most completely transcendent, and when there can be a sense of complete melding with the universal energies - a complete surrender to the cosmic infinity.

I don't want to sound too woo-woo for those readers who are more literally minded, but it's a complete opening and, as the koan says: Words Fail (including those two!).

Thank you for your reply Jack!

I will read your post several times again, and I’m certain that continuing to come back and remind myself to relax is something I can benefit from. I think, though, that the transmuting exercise doesn’t necessarily focus on tension, or rather tension is not the result. There is a tensing involved in the procedure, but it’s not the whole focus. I don’t know if you’ve had the chance to look at her video, but she demonstrates taking a deep breath in, focusing on drawing the sexual/erotic energy up the spine and into the head, tensing the PC muscles, taking a sniff of air to direct it toward the crown (or swallowing to direct the energy toward the heart) and then letting out the breath and relaxing the muscles all together, picturing the energy flowering like a lotus from the top/crown of the head (or from the heart).

This is, in my view, not unrelated to your image of guiding the energy up and out the crown of the head. I don’t think the tensing of the PC muscles in this way lead to more tension, but rather they relax one, similar to body tensing before a meditation—the result of the temporary tension is heightened relaxation. I do this before I meditate as it calms me and makes me more able to relax than if I hadn’t.

I don’t want to mislead you…I have come a long way with throat relaxation and can sometimes expel energy well, but as I said, if the session is more stimulation oriented (not just single touch/imagery/emotion) then over time, I’m not yet able to express enough of that via the key sound. I will continue to focus on my relaxation, particularly in the throat. And opening…

Since starting to use the Aneros about a week ago, I’ve noticed (at least so far) that when I use that and vocalize the key sound, they seem to have an even greater resonance than I’ve noticed before. I try to keep them soft (not loud) and husky, and this has quite a rich, dark vibrancy. Have you noticed this at all? I’ll keep working with that.

Hey Jack, just a quick question regarding your quotes below:

So are you visualizing energy flowing from the chakras of your body when you utter the keysound Jack?

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GOOD QUESTION! Yes the images are often spontaneous, but don't have to be...

For me it's like intense gushes of light with the intensity of a firehose. I definitely have internal images of that kind, sometimes as if watching myself from outside my physical body.

I guess you could say ejaculations of light, and of course, sound as well.

Sometimes for sound privacy I gently rest a pillow over my mouth but taking good care of course to allow myself to breathe.

Thanks again Roderik for the links. The basic comparison of Tantra, Tao and Shamanic approaches in the Jaiya video is the kind of mapping that easily assists our body mapping as we are learning to think with the body, instead of about it.

Because of my injuries and chronic pain, I found my body shifting into energy focus and into Still Body Orgasms rather than convulsive dry orgasms, very early in our practice. Mrs. a has found the energy exchange focus a natural and extremely enjoyable altered love-making approach too. As I've reported earlier, I too have had the "burst of light" energy orgasms, as well as the crackling tactile energy flows along/out my penis. Mrs. a feels those wonderfully and they pump her energy flows.

We recently got Mantak Chia's The Multi-Orgasmic Couple, and we have truly stumbled into this completely with many successful variations and the key sound potentiating and then triggering varied flow patterns along with the varied physical connections/circuits I've reported in some recent chats.

For some time now I have been doing chi walking and the accumulation of energy that way works very well for me. By transmutation, I think we are really into a multi-step ladder of possibilities, each step being quite an adventure in itself. The Mitochondrial Orgasm I've reported in the blog has happened repeatedly at lesser and greater levels and I am convinced that the mitochondria ability to synchronize mass pulse in the heart muscle, and elsewhere in the body is a key to all these bioenergetic events. For a number of years in my study of time, the role of mitochondria as bio-timekeepers has been documented by Arthur Winfree and others. Here is a recent scientific paper on mitochondria energy pulsing in the heart: The Fundamental Organization of Cardiac Mitochondria as a Network of Coupled Oscillators -- Aon et al. 91 (11): 4317 -- Biophysical Journal Jack; note the measurable fractal nature of this phenomenon!

I'm finding a lot of useful help in mapping and bodylearning sensing these steps currently at The Tao Bums site and forum. Here is a thread form there that illuminates more of the multi-layered subtleties of the Taoist mapping of these phenomena: Yin Spirit, Yang Spirit, and Spirit Travel | The Tao Bums - Taoist Discussion Forum for Taoism, Tai Chi, Chi Kung (Qigong) and more

In the Taoist transmutation roadmap, which I am still exploring, the three big steps are jing - chi/qi - shen, as well as learning to sense the fundamental yin energies and yang energies as distinct feeling patterns. This can lead to being able to accumulate and comfortably store yin chi in the perineum area, the male root chakra, and yang chi in the lower abodomen/navel area. Currently, that yin chi / yang chi distinction is something I am working on...

In addition to the mapping through the varied traditions of sacred sex and beyond, current neuroscience and bioenergetics research is now approaching these phenomena too and the mapping there I can sometimes feel directly experienced in my body. All this is feeding the drawn out effort in my blog here to "unpack" these varied elements of experience and explore the interrelationships and resonances in the work-in-progess recent post there...

The jing - chi/qi - shen transmutation zones on the ladder might be the reproductive/ejaculatory(male) - the general orgasmic bioenegetic lifeforce - lifeforce spiritual developmental zones? Here again is Pan's gift of this Michael Winn (HealingTao) article on the Quest for the Spiritual Orgasm: The Quest for Spiritual Orgasm

My blog posts set out our journey up this ladder to date, although we have gone further since "Beyond Words..." of mid-July. I have found the Key Sound to be more than training wheels; rather, an extraordinarily helpful technique opening doors very quickly all along the way thus far.

Yet I feel very much like a newbie and look forward to sharing experiences and techniques from all your experiences here. Great thread initiative Roderik and thanks again to all, and to you Jack for making all this possible for us here, you newly minted Canuck!

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Thank you Artform for that very informative post and the information on chi walking was interesting reading while i ate breakfast.
I never thought of KSMO as the be all/end all to one's journey into the relative unknown of orgasms(well for some people) . I agree with your comments that KS is just the beginning of our journey.
The past week I've been experiencing some rather "unusal" spiritual dreams or visions...I feel that they are future events that will occur in my life but yet to unfold.
I don't have the time right now to explain fully, but I do ask that you keep an eye out for my latest Blog entry-it'll be a doozy

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Old forum threads of mine :
http://tiny.cc/KOx0x - shy newbie
http://tiny.cc/mt9sd - letting go of anger
http://tiny.cc/wR7Hb - multiple orgasm success-insight

I read this in a book today "You never know how much courage you have until you face your greatest fears head on".