This post was originally posted on the private "keysound evaulation-page". After a request from Jack, I decided to post it on this public lounge instead, so that everyone may benefit from his answer.
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Gold Nugget - Newbie tips - Learning to understand the lessons and guidance from our subconscious


Hi, and thanks so much for your encouraging reply!

The last time I did this training (a few years ago), I managed to get a strong orgasmic sensation together with a very high heart rate (it felt almost a bit better than an ordinary orgasm). I did write a "report" about this experience in a post a few years ago, which can be read in the following link: http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...ek-of-training This was achieved using only the KSMO-sound for about 20 minutes, followed by just one single caress of the nipple, and bang! But as soon as I got this feeling, I got so exited that the sensation just faded away afterwards. This single session is one of the main reason that I'm still optimistic about this technique, since it tells me that it is indeed possible to achieve the effect you are talking about.

Have been practicing for a month now after the break, and I notice a building "tingling" sensation in my lower back and the stomach. If I were to rate this sensation with a "score", I would give it a 20-30% of an ordinary orgasm, although it's kind of hard to compare these to sensations. I find that using the caress is a bit of a distraction, so I'm just using the sound for now. I'm not noticing any echo effect on the days off at the moment.

Btw, it seems like one of my biggest obstacle in this practice is on the relaxation part. I often find myself over-analyzing and over-thinking everything when it's not working. "Maybe I should use one extra breath in between the sounds..", and so on... So I try to focus on what is called "effortless effort", and not thinking to much in the process. I have also been practicing a form of meditation, called autogenic training (on separate sessions), to get rid of some stress. And from this training, I have learned that the best way to accomplish relaxation, is to let it happen, and not "trying" to be relaxed. Much the same way as when your "trying" to sleep, you can't sleep! I find some parallels between these meditation techniques and the ksmo-practice, in that the "goal" of the practice is just to be really relaxed, and not being overfilled with random thoughts.

Have also noticed that I get more "echo effects" in the sessions on days that I are more energized. Listening to music that I like, and especially trance music, seems to help as well.

A question:
Is it essential to use the single caress in the practice, or is it possible to achieve these orgasms by just using the sound? Because it feels like some of the good sensations actually vanish a bit when using the single caress (probably because of the distraction it makes)..

Does it seems like I'm on track?

Thanks again for your feedback!
Even

Gold Nugget - Newbie tips - Learning to understand the lessons and guidance from our subconscious

Hi Even, thanks for posting to an area where others may read and perhaps join in on our discussion!

What you described in that last sentence is a perfect summary of the essential components of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ - AND it's results!

People who are familiar with my way of working in the Forum will recognize that I tend to identify and attempt to extract any possible message that may be trying to come through from our subconscious when we make what is referred to as a slip or a Freudian slip, named after another chap who seemed to think that such slips may at least sometimes contain possibly important insights for us.

Thus, in the last sentence I quoted above, I've bolded the exited slip.

Hmmm. What do you think this might mean, especially in the specific context to which you're referring in that sentence?

I'd like to give you the opportunity to answer, before I offer my thoughts.

That is really great news!

Yes you indeed allow yourself a little peek - or peak! - behind the curtain... Just enough to plant that seed of awareness of what is possible.

I really commend you that you have taken the time you felt you needed to back away from the Grand Opening for a while, until your Inner Guides and intuition signaled to you that you're now perhaps ready for another step in your Great Adventure.

I also want to you to know that there is a significantly large subset of people who have participated in this Journey who have followed precisely the pattern that you are describing for yourself:

They got a little peek / peak and then had to take a breather... often, just like you, of several years' time.

Yet something inside of them and you has drawn you back to the practice, when once again you felt ready for another step in your personal growth.

Welcome Back!!!

The Good News is, that as a group, these good folk have demonstrated a very good success rate upon their return to active practice!

That doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen in just one or two sessions, although it certainly may...

But it DOES tend to happen! And - linking with another VERY common pattern... When you least expect it!

That's great! The genie reawakens!

There's another little note slip passed to you from your subconscious! What do you think it might mean?

How is this approach working for you?

I'm wondering what you mean by distraction.

That's a fairly value-laden term that casts a negative aspect upon the experience.

What are these distractions like? What's going on in you that is distracting?

If you were to give more trust to your subconscious body wisdom to believe that these realms within you know what they're doing and where they are trying to lead you, what is a positive term or frame you might use to recast these experiences that you have been labeling as distractions?

Please take a moment to do this, if you will.

Refer out loud to these experiences as distractions and carefully notice how you feel emotionally.

... and please note them here in reply...

Next, assign one or more labels to these experiences that gives your Inner Guides every benefit of the doubt... that perhaps these sensations and emotions actually know exactly what they're doing as they guide you to the next level of learning?

...and please note how you feel here in reply...

...Note the singular there: obstacle...

What is your subconscious telling you by that, and how it relates to this next sentence of yours:

Again I invite you to notice your emotions when you say that last sentence out loud...

...Then restate it out loud, using a positive term for each of the three characterizations that were negative: over-analyzing, over-thinking... not working...

...And again tune in to any changes in emotional state as a result.

...And what action do you take when you hear those inner promptings?

What actions do those promptings suggest when you give yourself permission to explore them, at least some of the time?

How much effort are you devoting to effortless effort?

What if you devoted more effort to it?

What if you devoted a little less?

What if you explore each of those paths a little further and tune in to the results? And replace any negative labels or frames with a positive yet intuitively valid realistic counterpart?

Good! And I'm glad to hear you are doing that practice in separate sessions.

You may also find it worthwhile to blend the practices some of the time just to find out what you might discover.

Stress has a lot of energy in it. I wonder what might happen to all of that energy if you let it flow instead of fighting it?

Yay! Score a BIG ONE for the GOOD GUYS!

Yes! I find that to be a very apt example!

That certainly resonates for me!

Yes, I agree that relaxation is the foundation for it all...

You learn to relax your way into the multiorgasmic zone.

This is how you allow the fawn to come to you, rather than chasing it away - or beating it with a stick!

For readers: a timid fawn is a metaphor for the initial appearance of these multiorgasmic Echo Effect[tm].[tm] sensations - coined with heartfelt thanks to Multiple Orgasm Trigger Adept Andi from the UK... Chasing after the multiorgasmic sensations is like chasing away a timid fawn... Whereas calm and relaxation allows the fawn - the automatic multiorgasmic waves aka Echo Effects.

I wonder what might happen when you sometimes DO allow yourself to be filled to overflowing with random thoughts - when you frame these seemingly random thoughts as possible clues to further relaxation and opening to the Echo Effects™!

That's VERY good news!!!

BTW, I noticed where said I are - It may be that English is not your first language, but it might also be a little gift from your subconscious that you have a lot of ALLIES inside of you who are being POSITIVELY ENERGIZED this music!

What do you think???


I would say - some of both...

By that I mean, explore BOTH of those paths... There doesn't need to be a single right way...

VARY your practice... sometimes use a caress, then maybe a few cycles with just the Key Sound™ and relaxing breaths...

And as you mentioned before... explore varying the number of relaxing breaths from time to time... just to discover what you might learn!

[quote]Because it feels like some of the good sensations actually vanish a bit when using the single caress (probably because of the distraction it makes).

It'll be interesting to hear from you how that might evolve once you create positive reframes for the experiences that you're currently labeling as distractions... the latter which more or less implies that they are junk thoughts and feelings that have no value.

Maybe that is not necessarily the case!

Actually, it does... your wrestling with yourself and your Inner Guides a bit, but that is a very typical part of this Adventure.

I look forward to hearing what happens next for you as you explore this reframing, relaxing a little more, varying your practice a little bit here or there, every few sessions, just to discover what you might learn!

You are VERY welcome!

And thank YOU for being willing to repost your questions and concerns to this public area so you can help me teach others!

Wishing you all the very best that life has to offer, Even!
Jack

Gold Nugget - Newbie tips - Learning to understand the lessons and guidance from our subconscious

Hi again, and thanks for your reply!

I have to say, it was an interesting observation your made there! I suppose I did mean excited, instead of exited, and the spell-checker didn't catch it either.

On the other side, the slip exited actually fits perfectly to this setting, since I was doing exactly that; exiting the exciting feeling I had at this moment! I'm not sure what this actually tells me, but I remember that I got afraid of losing the good (exciting) feeling on this successfully session.

Thanks! It's encouraging to hear that!

This slip was a bit harder to find, but I suppose you mean that I should have written two instead of to? The first minutes I looked at this, I didn't see anything special about it at all. Were almost ready to ask what you are talking about, until I noticed a detail: I'm actually writing here (because of the slip) that I find it hard to compare these two orgasmic types to sensations. Interesting! I find it hard to analyze myself, but maybe it's a sign of a sort of a emotional blockage against these feelings?


I'm using a light touch of the nipple as a caress.

By distraction, I mean that the caress takes some of the focus away from the relaxation, so that I become a little less relaxed. I notice that if I use a single caress before every KS, the good sensations (in the lower abs) tend to become less intense over time compared to not using the caress. Also the nipple become less sensitive over time when having a high frequency of these caresses. That is the main reason I have labeled these caresses as a "distraction".

On the other hand, it seems to work much better to use a single caress more infrequently, maybe only before every 3-4 KS-sound or so. That way, the nipple does seem to keep its sensitivity through the session as well.

The reason I did call the caresses a distraction in the first place, is because the good sensations didn't increase as a result from using these caresses. And I'm assuming that everything that is dampening the good sensations is a sort of a distraction, and thus the caress is a distraction. But it may be that it's wrong to look at it in that way?

The first term I think of, is: "new feelings". But I'm not sure if that fits entirely.

I don't think it is a emotional feeling that is the distraction in itself. It's more that I labeled the caress as a distraction, since the caress tend to give a decrease in the good sensations. So I'm not sure if your suggestion over applies to my situation?

I tried this exercise, and it did give some negative feelings. A sort of "not reaching up", or "not good enough"-feelings. The positive variant of the sentence I could come up with, is: "I often find myself in peace with my analyzing and thinking when it's working". Also have to say that I like the last sentence much better than my original one

When I hear those promptings (mind noise), I try to just realize that I experienced them, and let them fly away on their own without giving them any attention. I believe that all these thoughts/promptings is just a distraction, a makes you less relaxed.

The last question was a bit hard to answer I think.


These are all good questions I think. I will try it out, and see what happens.


Thanks for this tip. I have tried to do the ksmo-session just after this meditation. And it seems to work quite well, as the meditation gives a very relaxed state.

That is a good question, although I'm not sure how to do that.

I'm wondering about that too. I will try it, and see what happens.

English is not my first language, so I guess that may explain this one. Although I know it's named "I am", and not "I are". On the other hand, it may be that you're correct about these "allies".

This makes perfect sense to me.

Thanks again for taking your time to answer my questions I have to admit that many of your questions was a bit difficult to give good answer to

Gold Nugget - Newbie tips - Learning to understand the lessons and guidance from our subconscious

I'm very glad to see you taking advantage of the insights being offered you by your subconscious through these kinds of slips! They are indeed very valuable!

Note also that you said you were not sure about what it meant, and then immediately followed that with what appears to me as a very accurate understanding of precisely what it DOES likely mean!

That's an important pattern to be aware, and it's very common for most of us - the way we tend to discount or devalue the important clues to increased awareness and personal growth that our subconscious is offering us very very often!

No blame or need to feel bad or guilty about it - it's the result of our enculturation... And this is an opportunity for us to free ourselves from those restrictive bonds and access that additional insight and guidance from our very wise subconscious!

You're quite welcome!

Yes, again, this resistance is in my opinion a result of our enculturation - how our culture has encouraged us to ignore and devalue these important insights and clues to increased self-awareness.

There's a great example of this in the highly allegorical story and film: The Wizard of Oz, where the booming voice of the great Oz (our ego) keeps bellowing: Ignore the man behind the curtain! Ignore the man behind the curtain! who in fact was the one pulling all of the levers controlling the show!

I think your interpretation of that slip is spot on!

So I encourage you to trust in your ability to get the message... the GIFT, really... of these so-called slips!

That's a perfect example of correct practice! I also encourage you to explore other areas of pleasurable touch, including of course, your genital area when you're comfortable doing so.

I think it's good to offer your response system some variety, with the benefit of your becoming better acquainted with your sensual self.

Overall, our system tends to like variety!

Well keep in mind that what you are labeling as distraction may very possibly be an increase in arousal... and that's what this practice is about... Learning how to allow sensual- and erotic arousal to increase, but without the high stimulation that tends to trigger the ejaculation reflex... That's the core of the Big Secret of my discovery of The Multiple Orgasm Trigger™!

Very good observation!!!

The drop in response can be a request from your erotic self for a little variety!

That is, a little less stimulation, maybe every other- or every few cycles of Key Sound plus relaxing breathing.

It can also be a signal to caress some other pleasurable area of your body.

As these responses awaken, you will find that more and more of your entire body become pleasurably responsive in this way... Hence the title of Walt Whitman's lovely poem: I sing the body electric from his book Leaves of Grass!

I understand, and invite you to quit assigning a negative label to the experience - due to the negative emotions that tend to accompany such a label - and just gratefully receive this awareness as a request from your deeper sensual wisdom for a little variety!

Yes! That too seems to be working well for you, and I like that you responded in that way! Just combine that response with also exploring single caresses of other areas from time to time!

I would say that the term distraction is likely to have negative emotions associated with it, and I invite you to reframe that is... to relable and reinterpret such awareness as simply Deeper Body Wisdom and Intelligence COACHING you gently to introduce a little more variety and allow your arousal to increase!

Although it may not fit entirely (whatever that means! lol), what shift in emotional response do you notice when instead of using distraction you use new feelings?

Trust me... It does! And... notice what your subconscious is teaching you via the slip in that last sentence (or at least the language you used in that sentence):

If you're not sure that my suggestion over applies, then perhaps - just perchance - it does apply!

That's a very helpful awareness - and an opportunity for another step of growth in learning this skill!

Cool!

QED! (Just click that link if you're not sure what I mean by that!

Well, you DO seem to be attached to labeling experience as distraction. I want to invite you - as an exercise in possibly increasing self-awareness - that nearly every time you find yourself labeling something as a distraction - to ask yourself instead: What might be the positive message for me here? What lesson am I being offered?

Sometimes it may be mind noise, but sometimes it may be an issue that is asking for healing and resolution - in order that you may continue your Adventure of opening further to pleasure.

I understand... but it may be worth it!

That is a perfect attitude for this practice imho!

You are very welcome!

Excellent!

Yes... just stay open to learning more... To me, that is the most productive way to explore your further opening in this process of self-discovery and erotic awakening!

Well you are certainly doing VERY well with it! Lucky for me and the other readers - and thank you VERY much for making that effort!

Maybe... Yet maybe there is more for you here, and I'm very glad you're open to that possibility as demonstrated by your remarks that follow here:

...And if perchance I am correct, what then? What benefits might you accrue from that possible fact? What opportunities?

Wonderful!!!

Thanks for making the effort!!!

Wishing you all the very best that life has to offer,
Jack

Thanks for all of your tips in the previous reply, Jack!

The last week, I've had a few sessions with only average results. But today I got some progress I think.

As I relaxed more and more, I noticed a building "tingling" sensations in my lower back. I suddenly got an urge to tilt my head forward a bit, with the result that the sensations started to move much higher on my back. I also got an "almost there"-feeling, like one gets a few seconds before an ordinary orgasm. I have to say it's a pretty nice feeling

That's great news, Even!

RE: The almost there feeling... that is a signal to remember to relax. There's often a tendency to tense up or automatically hold one's breath at that point, or to revert to the ejaculation-blocking tendency of tightening up one's muscles in the genital area.

Instead, the multiple orgasm secret is to relax and continue to do two to four relaxing breaths, and then when you articulate the Key Sound™, just imagine that you are ejaculating orgasmic energy out through the Key Sound™.

Of course that means that the sound may be louder but hopefully you're in a setting where you feel ok allowing that.

If privacy is an issue, you can lightly rest a pillow over your mouth and project the sound into the pillow.

Be sure not to use the pillow or anything else that will impair your ability to inhale, however!

NOTE also that it may seem like you're about to ejaculate.

Although that feeling may be very strong, it may or may not be the case. If you do, that's ok! You will nevertheless learn something from that!

Nevertheless, you may feel like you're ejaculating, you may even experience some muscle contractions, yet not ejaculate.

It's all part of your getting to know your sexual self that much better! It's all part of learning this process.

Wishing you the best!
Jack

Thanks for your tips!

I just had one of the best sessions ever! Earlier this morning, I had a session with just average results. But later this afternoon, I read some of Mog’s old posts where he had results even when not using any sound at all. One of his posts inspired me to try a new session where I didn't vocalize the sound, i.e. only “breathing” the sound silently out.

At the start of this session (the first couple of minutes), I didn’t notice anything spectacularly. But after a while (maybe 10 minutes), the sensations started to increase by many knots. It was a very delightful feeling! Suddenly my eye-brows started to shake on their own, in addition to some fast breathing and high heart-rate. Also my eyes started to move randomly around, probably because of the excitement at this point.

As I relaxed more, I started to notice some increasing “tinglings” in my genital region and my inner thighs in addition to a minor erection. I also noticed some “rushes” up my spine at this point. These are exactly the same sensations that I experience during an ordinary orgasm.

After spending a few minutes in this delightful feeling, I decided to call it a day. But about a half an hour later, I couldn’t resist trying it one more time to see what happens. And the strangest part was that I just needed about 3-4 silent KS-sounds to get the orgasmic feeling back again! I wasn’t even using any stimulation!

I almost can’t believe that just breathing a silent sound can make such good sensations!