All of the sudden I feel down. It's not that I feel great all the time. But I've been reading some stuff, and it's been getting me depressed. It seems like women get to live much richer lives. Men are doomed by genetics and hormones to live comparably dull lives because our feelings, physical and emotional cannot go as deep as women's can. At least that's what 99.999% of the information out there suggests and it seems to be based on pretty sound science. What gives? Are women the superior sex? Women are beautiful, loving, passionate, etc, and it seems like men are kind of gross, generally unloving (or only moderately loving), and comparably without passion.

Here's to re-incarnation. Or does the bias extend beyond the grave too? Are men's spirits/souls different from women's and also biased? Though I guess that something based on physiology could not influence the deeper spirit/soul stuff, if such stuff exists

This just hit me real hard tonight. I want to find information that says that it's not so bad for men, but it's not out there. Every bit seems to point in the same direction. Can that be the reality? That men's spirit/soul is doomed to experience a lesser depth/richness of reality than a woman's?

Cheer up Jupiter,

It's not all bad - We can reverse into a parking space!

Mog

Arrgh. It's comments like that that gets me. I know it was somewhat in jest, but who cares if we can do some mundane task? It seems like the things we do well are meaningless, whereas the things women do well or experience more fully are the things both sexes highly value.

It seems like we men are the stagehands of life, and women are the stars. We make sure everyone gets food, clothing, shelter and take care of physical obstacles, and they get to reap all the benefits. It's like we are robots compared to them. It's not that I hate women for this. I still like them. But I feel like I'm massively missing out because men are physically incapable of enjoying life as much as women. They get far more pleasure out of sex, like orders of magnitude more, they love more, feel love more, they are better at nearly anything that doesn't involve brute strength. Sure they feel more pain, heartbreak, emotional anguish undoubtedly. But I'd take some of that if it meant not being stuck in the mundanity of being a male.

This whole KSMO thing. We have to relax, which is ok, and do specific sounds, then we get some orgasms, maybe. And this can't even carry over to regular thrusting sex right? But women get mind-blowing orgasms, and they don't have to practice any special techniques. They don't have to order any seminar online. They just read a few web pages online that tell them what to do and it's pretty straight forward and they get these experiences that dwarf ours. And they can get them in normal sex, one after another until they decide to stop and they can just go on and on and on. We need sex, but they love it.

It just feels like the purpose of men is to provide for women's pleasure, inside and outside of the bedroom. They have more nerves on their skin, so they feel touch more. They have estrogen, so that touch means more because estrogen enhances oxytocin, the love hormone, hence they also feel love more.

Last night I was thinking that maybe this is a nightmare that I was about to wake up from. Or maybe life is some sort of test, to see how I deal with this, or a lesson, so that I can learn something.

I just feel so empty and hopeless like no matter how good life may get, I will never experience the physical and emotional pleasures women are capable of. How can it be that they get it so much better? And how does this balance out ultimately?

Hi Jupiter, thanks VERY much for your post...

I appreciate your letting us know... I'm sorry you feel that way, and I hope you begin to feel at least a little bit better, a little sooner than you might expect...

Likewise, I'm very sorry to hear that, Jupiter... Also, please consider the culture in which you live.

It is based on imho VERY intense brainwashing through advertising for women to be characterized in very specific ways, and for men to be characterized in very specific ways, such as: "Women get to have all they want - But men don't... That's just the way it is... It's genetically predetermined and there's nothing you can do about it... Tough luck, buddy! Here, have a... fill in the blank with all kinds of products from beers to hot cars to giant houses to whateverrrrrrrrrrr!

Of course this BS can make men very angry and sometimes pretty bummed out.

Politicians and the media often really push these kinds of stereotypes on us over and over and over.

That's what I call Tell-a-Vision PROGRAMMING

It's also known as gender stereotyping and oppression.

I think the pain and frustration you report is a very accurate response to, like so many of the rest of us, having been saturated with this kind of imagery and messages since you were a little kid.

What specifically have you been reading that has bummed you out?

How about some titles? How about some quotes, so we can address this BS specifically?

I can sure understand how you could feel that way, but you know what? It's a FRIGGIN' MYTH and potentially a very destructive one. But hey it makes advertisers rich!

The media can make it look like (all) women live fantastically cool lives.

The FACT is that scientifically valid studies show that at least 1 out of every 4 women have been sexually abused...

And many of them as children!

Is that cool? Is that lucky??? I think you know the answer to that question!

The other thing is that of those women, most of them continue to experience abuse in their lives, and because of the difficulty they have in seeking professional help to heal from it, they often tend to hook up with partners who continue to abuse them!

Here's another statistic for you... 1 out of 9 GUYS have also been sexually abused... and most of them as children!

And frankly I think THAT number is WAY underestimated... Because men are supposed to just forget about it and be TOUGH... never show any sadness or pain or anything because it's SUPPOSEDLY a sign of weakness.

That's MORE horse puckey! (I'm being polite here...)

Dude, you're barfing up a giant furball here... That's not a bad thing... It's a good thing that you're giving voice to it!


Nope. It's not!

What you're reporting there is BRAINWASHING!

And PLEASE PLEASE HEAR THIS: I am NOT accusing you or making you wrong, here!!!

You are a victim of this brainwashing!

No wonder you're pissed!

This kind of brainwashing really hurts! It hurts you, and it one of the ways it hurts you is that it helps prevent you from seeing women as human beings instead of advertising images.

And of course, women are ALSO subjected to this advertising BS...

BS that tells them they need to buy all kinds of products to be cool, to be hip, to be desirable to hook up with a really cool partner... blah blah blah blah.

Just watch the Tell-A-Vision sometime with the sound turned down...

Just watch the images that are being portrayed... in the ads AND in the programs!

There are a few programs that show people that look like average people but most look like manufactured glamour clones... including the blonde "babes" that do the mainstream news so much of the time.

You know what else?

A recent study shows that ONE FOURTH of teenage girls now have STDs - sexually transmitted diseases. Does that make them sluts?

No... it makes them VICTIMS of this ad-driven culture we're all trying to survive in.

That's what the advertising corporations would like you to believe... That women are superior so for you to be equal with them or superior to them you have to buy all kinds of CRAP like big gas guzzling cars, expensive - well... expensive EVERYthing!!! From shoes to haircuts clothing etc. MORE BS!

Dude, it's what's INside that counts - but how often do you really see THAT portrayed on the so-called BOOB TUBE?

VERY VERY rarely.

WHO defines beauty??? Television? The Advertising Business???

I really really really recommend that you read a book called The Beauty Myth by Naomi Wolf.

...For STARTERS...

AND BLOG YOUR RESPONSES in this Blog! Create a thread called The Beauty Myth.

There are a lot of books written by women who talk about their pain.

Some express anger at men in an overly broad sort of way, and there are many extremists who want to characterize all feminist authors and writing as a "threat to traditional values" etc.

That in my opinion is more propaganda. I personally think it's fascist.

Most feminist authors express rage at a male-dominated culture, but that is very very different than saying that you or I personally are responsible for that.

Both men AND women are victims of gender stereotypes.

But it sure makes advertisers rich!

Man I could rant for HOURS about this kind of cultural abuse, I'm gonna chill on it for now...

And please remember, I am NOT attacking you... I am attacking that crap that we ALL carry inside of us to one degree or another about this kind of GENDER-MYTHOLOGICAL PROGRAMMING.

BARF!!!

It's a HUGE reason why I DO this work here...

To teach men AND women that we SHARE A LOT in common INCLUDING SEXUALLY and INCLUDING SEXUAL ABILITY and that this has to a very great degree been HIDDEN from us - to sell more crap to us to try to fix the way that BS programming makes us feel!

SOME are, SOME are not...

And MANY are emotionally wounded... JUST LIKE MANY MEN!!!

Here's a really good little website at the University of Alberta Canada re: myths about Male Sexuality:

myths of male sexuality

Some are, too many are... and some can be very caring and tender and empathic...

There are a number of men in THIS Forum community who are like that!

Often men like this are shamed by men who consider themselves to be super-studs or macho - the image that is SO often promulgated in the media, including film.

Some are that way, others are not!!!

[quote]Here's to re-incarnation. Or does the bias extend beyond the grave too? Are men's spirits/souls different from women's and also biased? Though I guess that something based on physiology could not influence the deeper spirit/soul stuff, if such stuff exists[quote]

Actually men and women have WAY more in common physiologically than they differ...

Did you realize that in the womb, over 95% of our entire nervous system is IN PLACE before ANY signs of gender (e.g. genitalia, etc.) begin to appear?

I hear ya! And good on ya for posting about here!!!

THIS is a place where you can find a LOT of support for being understood as you come to grips with just how brutal all of this enculturation and advertising BS can be - the incredible extent to which it gets inside of us and acts on us to try to keep us separate and alienated from one another!

Check out THIS one, it is EXCELLENT! And post your responses to it here in this Blog!:

The Hazards of Being Male - Surviving the Myth of Male Privilege

I can TOTALLY understand your feeling that way!

But it is BRAINWASHING, it is NOT the Truth!

Given all the brainwashing that you and I and everyone else - male AND female! - have been subjected to, I'm not at all surprised that you feel that way!

Not at all!!! THAT IS WHY I CREATED THIS WEBSITE!!!

To get out from under all of that oppression takes some effort though.

Do your homework!

Read those books! Post your thoughts about them to your blog, to give others a chance to respond!

You will have lots of support from me (and others!) in doing so!

I will hold your head as you BARF OUT all of that crap the culture has shoved into you!.

The OTHER homework is not ONLY to practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, but also KEEP POSTING your experiences and questions about it...

AND

Post a sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the FREE Key Sound™ Validation Area.

And I will help you TUNE IT UP!!!

And once you've done all of that, then get some [http://multiples.com/orgasmcoach/]one to one phone consultation from me[/url]!

That's why I offer it... to help you directly!

It's NOT phone sex!

I again listen to your Key Sound™ and work with you until you get it totally accurate for maximum results and benefits and I answer ALL of the questions you may have... EVERY step of the Way!

AND SHOW UP FOR THE COACHING CHATS THAT I HOST SO I AND OTHERS CAN HELP YOU!!!

OK??????????????????????????

You are TOTALLY entitled AND GENETICALLY WIRED to feel a LOT more pleasure and happiness than you're feeling right now.

You do your part as I've suggested above, and I and others here will do OUR part to help you!

OK??????????????????????????

I don't know. Maybe I need to not think about sex for a while, and consequently not try the KSMO thing for a while(haven't been following the protocol anyway). The anxiety over the apparent pleasure discrepancy is probably an obsession.

I just want to be happy and I don't have a clue how to get there. I can't remember the last time I was consistently happy or felt good, except for a few minutes at a time occasionally. You know, why is life so hard? Why if you look at the whole world is there so much pain and suffering, and what then is the point? What could the purpose of this all be? How do I find contentment and satisfaction. Religion when I was into that didn't help. That just preached a God that hated people enough to torture most of them forever and that freaked the crap out of me. That was a gospel of fear.

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Hi again Jupiter,

>It seems like we men are the stagehands of life, and women are the stars.<

Nicely put, but I can't accept that as a universal truth!

Nobody can give help and advice like Jack and he has given you a treat here.

But there’s one aspect of your concerns that I feel able to give a few comments on and that is the relative orgasmic capabilities of the different sexes.

>…….because men are physically incapable of enjoying life as much as women. They get far more pleasure out of sex, like orders of magnitude more…….This whole KSMO thing. We have to relax, which is ok, and do specific sounds, then we get some orgasms, maybe………But women get mind-blowing orgasms, and they don't have to practice any special techniques………. And they can get them in normal sex, one after another until they decide to stop and they can just go on and on and on.<

I’ve done the KSMO for about four years and I reckon that I’ve reached a multi-orgasmic capability that equates with anything I’ve read or heard about women’s abilities to orgasm repeatedly. I’m not talking about some kind of male imitation orgasm of a mechanical nature which lacks the characteristics of a “real” sexual encounter, or even a traditional masturbation – I’m talking about sublime orgasmic ejaculation-free events that, for me, are unprecedented in their mind-numbing overwhelming power and erotic magic. The events that I can call up at will and practically at any time are far, far more enveloping than anything I’ve ever experienced in my pre-KSMO life - and they are still growing and developing hugely (not boasting – just reporting!).

I feel confident in asserting that male KSMO-derived orgasms can be equal to, or perhaps even better, than those usually attributed to multi-orgasmic women.

Regarding “special techniques”, once you have acquired the KSMO skill nothing is needed except a comfortable bed, or a chair, and the desire to orgasm – eventually, not even the Key Sound or any stimulation – just yourself. And from a zero-start, in four minutes you can be awayyyyyy!

Others can tell you how this skill can greatly enhance encounters with a partner.

If I can do this (with Jack’s help) you can do it too – and keep on going for as long as you like (or can stand)! When you do you will know that it’s not only the women that can experience “mind-blowing orgasms”.

>….They get these experiences that dwarf ours……..<

As soon as somebody succeeds in the design and production of an internet-ready orgasammeter I would be willing to compare results with any woman who would put herself up for it.

Good luck,

Mog

Thanks for the responses.

[quote=Jack;8395]
What specifically have you been reading that has bummed you out?

How about some titles? How about some quotes, so we can address this BS specifically?

And please remember, I am NOT attacking you... I am attacking that crap that we ALL carry inside of us to one degree or another about this kind of GENDER-MYTHOLOGICAL PROGRAMMING.

To teach men AND women that we SHARE A LOT in common INCLUDING SEXUALLY and INCLUDING SEXUAL ABILITY and that this has to a very great degree been HIDDEN from us - to sell more crap to us to try to fix the way that BS programming makes us feel!

Actually men and women have WAY more in common physiologically than they differ...

Did you realize that in the womb, over 95% of our entire nervous system is IN PLACE before ANY signs of gender (e.g. genitalia, etc.) begin to appear?

I don't have any specific sources, because I was mostly reading websites. But stuff like the connection between estrogen and oxycotin. And that women have more nerves all over their body, so they are much more sensitive to everything. For instance in many studies the most sensitive male is still less sensitive than the least sensitive female. That is referring to tactile sensitivity. They can sense things we can't because they use parts of their brain that we don't. I guess I kind of envy their heart centeredness in contrast to our mind/intellect centeredness.

I guess I'm a little intimidated by what appears to be their much greater sexual nature. Like it's a power they have over us. And it's not that I want power over them either.

I think this recent implosion also has to do with other stuff going on in my life, or a lack of other stuff. I don't like my job, don't have any genuine friends here, and just feel lonely and all around miserable. Someone who is miserable will look for things to upset them.

There is a lot I have to be thankful for. Millions of people live their whole lives in a physical and emotional hell much worse than I have ever experienced. Although that's not too pleasant a thought either, except that it makes me feel a little better.