Hi everyone...

I'd like to thank Jack for making this site, and producing such a great program for us all!

And thanks to all the posters, I have been reading off and on for years and benefited greatly from all the great info found on this site.

Here's some back info on paw: I'm a 60 yo man, married 40+ years with grown kids. I'm very interested in tantra, but my dear wife (DW) doesn't share my interests. She's still sexual physically (and looks superfine, more's the pity!), but with advancing age, she lacks interest generally. Given time between orgasms, and with effort on my part, she has fun, but then is good to go for several weeks/months more. Doggone menopause!

I'm not complaining, and she takes care of my "needs" if I beg , but I'm very sexual and have been used to a lot of sex, so I realized if I wanted to keep it up (so to speak ) I would need to explore my own sexuality, as I don't swing outside marriage (so far! ). Masturbation isn't really my thing either, but I am intrigued by tantra, yoga, and KSMMO.

I chose to explore yoga, as it offered a way to access higher sexuality, and also spirituality, or a path to liberation and eventual enlightenment. But in studying yoga, I found it just came back to sexuality in one form or another.

I had some years of experience with meditation yoga in my youth, and off and on over the years I have practiced meditation and pranayama (regulated breathing) sporadically. Three years ago I got serious enough to practice twice a day, which soon led to finding a satguru, taking initiation, and adding longer and deeper practices.

Since initiation, progress has been amazing and rapid. I do Hamsa kriya yoga, which results in the circulation of kundalini and the advent of Self-realization. While breathing has become blissful, one natural result of this practice is breathlessness. This form of meditation is highly ecstatic, but also very tranquil and detached. Withdrawal from the outer senses into witness mode is part of the practice. Bliss and emptiness ensue.

I wish to become a fountain of ecstatic bliss. As mog says, I want to access the Zone at will, whether in sitting practice, during sex play, or whenever.

I learn new things constantly in this practice, so I am always looking to deepen my sadhana. But I also would like sexual orgasm outside of sitting practices. Non-ejaculatory orgasm will enhance the quality of my experience, I believe. I've had some small experience with this, enough to show me the possibilities. I hope by sharing all our experience here, we can all gain and progress. I know you have much to teach me, so please feel free to share!

I practice brahmacharya, or conservation of sexual fluid, so I rarely ejaculate now (only if I really want to), even during passionate lovemaking. This retention powers kundalini yoga. I have also learned complete relaxation in meditation. From posts here, I understand these are good skills for success in KSMMO. So I started KSMMO practice a couple nights ago, and enjoyed some nice echo effects and rising bliss. But I didn't want to wake my sons or DW, so I didn't vocalize much, and was clumsy. Pretty exciting tho.

OK, now for my first question to the group. I read a post where Jack says it's best to cease other practices while learning KSMMO. My problem is, my yoga practice must be done twice a day, without fail. I usually require about 1.5-2 hours a day for this, which will increase in May by double. So, how to best integrate KSMMO with ongoing yoga practice?

Also, by way of contribution, while meditating last night I practiced cremaster exercises. The best pose for meditation is called "siddhasana", which involves crossing the legs in front with one foot laying on top the other, ideally with the bottom heel pressing into the perineum below the scrotum, even better if the upper foot heel presses the pubis.

Sadly, my legs won't do this, the arthritic knees just hurt too much, so my heel is an inch out from the scrotum. So I haven't been getting the pressure point stimulation I need to best arouse the flow of energy. So after learning about cremaster exercises, which isolate the muscles of the testes and allow conscious pulling in or up of the balls, I decided to try some while sitting.

I have practiced what is known as mulabanda, or the anal/rectal lock, for years and have some skill with this. Also asvini mudra, wherein there is rhythmic anal/ perineal lifting and relaxing. But I never tried lifting just the testes. So I cupped the scrotum with the right hand, placed the middle finger on the perineal pressure point, and held the head lightly with the left hand. I began with perineum lifts then roling up into the scrotum, and soon felt comfortable lifting just the balls. It was cool, because one problem with mulabanda/asvini is tensing in other parts of the body, but the cremaster is so small and outside the body, that even with intense squeezes I could keep other muscles out of play.

I discovered that this exercise stimulated a steady flow of energy thruout the body and into the head. With eyes focused internally on the brow, and tongue in the sinus resting against the nasal septum (known as "khechari mudra"), the energy was lively. One good effect was the calming of the breath reflex, and I found as long as I clenched and relaxed the testes, I had no need to breathe, which enhanced the energy even more. Soon I was awash with even more warm ecstasy. I could keep it going by pressing the perineum randomly, pressing the nasal septum as needed, and squeezing the glans some, while continuing the testes lifts. And I didn't get tired soon like when I do anal flexes-I could keep it up for a while. And as I said, there is less "motion in the ocean" with cremasters than with the large muscles engaged in asvini mudra, which enhances relaxation and calms the lungs better. All in all, a big plus!

It seems the cremaster testicular muscles are naturally engaged when a man is about to orgasm and ejaculate normally, so consciously accessing these circuits, without penile stim, triggers the flow of sexual energies. I would think that this could enhance some stages of KSMMO as well. Any thought on this, I hope?

I would also think that maintaining breathlessness, as mentioned by mog and others, during a peak orgasm could enhance the duration and intensity. It would be interesting to pursue and see where it leads. Just guessing cuz I am a noob, but a five minute inhale or exhale during the peak could take this to yet another level. I know this has enhanced my yoga experience greatly, so I hope I can learn KSMMO and enter the Zone to this point for the sake of experiment.

Looking forward to hearing any thought you all may have, and some help with appropriate scheduling of KSMMO practice!

aloha,
paw

Hey Paw,

I'm interested to know what muscles you are tensing when you do your cremaster exercises. As far as I can tell I can sense 3 muscles or parts to the kegal muscle. One when you stop the flow of urine in the penis, one when you tense the perenium behind the testicles and another when I tense my anus. Are these the muscles your talking about? What exercises do you do?

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Hi canuck...

yeah, that's a good question!

I haven't actually been doing any exercises specifically for testicle lifting until now. I have done, as I said, mulabanda and asvini mudra, sometimes quite vigorously, especially when also, after complete exhale, lifting the lower abdomen up into the diaphragm (uddiyana banda). As the breath hold extends, the lifting can get pretty strong. Combined with sambhavi mudra (brow gazing) and khechari mudra (tongue in nasopharynx), this posture and mudra complex is especially good for raising excess sexual energy up the spine for use in the upper body.

But I think your answer is, in the nervous system, cremasters are close to the muscles that restrict urine flow. You can stand, feet apart, knees and waist slightly bent, then pinch your scrotum above the balls. Now tense the ureter muscles, and you should be able to feel motion in the balls. Keep at it, and when you feel just the balls moving up and in, you have located the cremasters.

I have found, for myself, it's best to isolate them while sitting in siddhasana. I just flex the perineum as in a kegel rep, then roll the flex up into the scrotum. As long as I am just pulling in the scrotum and testes only, the cremasters are working and the energy flows well. So then I drop the kegel and stay with the scrotum.

The few times I have practiced this, the result has been replicated-steady energy flow, and a calming of the breathing reflex. I will be starting my post-pranayama meditation session with a few minutes of this exercise set for at least one session a day from now on, at least until I move on to something better. The idea is to enhance deep meditation.

But this could enhance advanced KSMMO also, nicht wahr?

I'm thinking that this exercise might be enhanced by sitting on a prostate cradle, which I have no experience with as yet. I'm thinking of scoring one. Might work for me, especially as I am not able to sit on my heel. All major pressure points engaged, plus cremasters, could be a good combo. Anyone care to opine about this?

Hi paw,

Welcome to the forum!

I was about to suggest that you use the prostate cradle for the external perineum stimulation before I saw that you mentioned it near the end of your post. I think it would be great. It may be uncomfortable at first since it is firm so just experiment with placing a pillow or some padding underneath it or between you and the cradle.

I've played with the cremaster muscles before during masturbation and I've noticed a definite increase in arousal when I raise them and a corresponding decrease when I lower them. However, I only seem to be able to manipulate them only when I'm aroused. I can't do so otherwise. I haven't tried this during KSMO as I'm typically trying to notice pleasureable feelings after I make the key sound, but this could be a good substitute for the single erotic touch that Jack mentions so often. If that increases your pleasure, then go for it!

Hope this helps,

Onthepath

Hi onthepath...

thanks for the welcome! It's nice to be able to discuss the "serious" business of ecstasy with like minded folks.

Yeah thanks for the advice on the cradle, the website for it doesn't show much about it, so I wasn't sure how comfy it would be, or how much it smashes down when sitting on it. Sounds like it would be ok with some adjustments and practice. I always sit on a pillow, usually on a mattress. But I get no result from a tennis ball or a rolled sock, so the cradle is my next purchase.

Yeah, subtle cremasters possibly for the "single touch" tek during KS arousal. Or even when shifting gears to higher levels during MMO? Agreed that the cremasters respond best during arousal, during meditation genital arousal happens spontaneously at times, but definitely there is general energy arousal from root to brow when I do the cremaster pull.

Still hoping for some feedback on the scheduling and "crosstraining" issue?

What-Ho Paw!

>I always sit on a pillow, usually on a mattress. But I get no result from a tennis ball or a rolled sock, so the cradle is my next purchase.<

I used to use the equivalent of a rolled sock but I now find that the Cradle is a far superior object, most probably due to it's firmness and shaped contour which puts pressure on two specific points, the forward part of the perineum and also the k-spot just behind the anus, while avoiding excessive pressure on the prostate area. As a sensation booster I find it just as effective as any of the Aneros versions. It is one of my best buys.

I don't have any problem with the firmness of the device because I do my sessions mainly flat on my back and can set the pressure just as I like it.

if you are already multi-orgasmic I think you will find the Cradle very worth having in you toolbox.

BTW,welcome to the KSMO community!


Mog

Hi mog...

Thanks for the kind welcome! I've learned a lot from lurking here and reading widely on the forums, chat etc., and look forward to learning much more. This is some really worthwhile and practical info!

Yes, I read your posts about positioning the cradle while laying on the bed. I will definitely try that, but I would like to adapt the device to my sitting pose if possible, as this is where the "magic" really starts cooking for me.

My MO's are more in the "heartgasm" type I suppose, as my heartbeat gets down and funky while meditating, lots of energy centers are opening and boogie-ing all over the body. It gets pretty intense, and tho I am sitting fully relaxed and still, sometimes leaves me quivering and shaking in my seat. But the large quakes and pulses of the "prostate-type" or pelvic-centered FB orgasms have not resulted yet, and this is the reason I want to learn Jack's tek.

If it's not supposed to happen that way in sitting meditation, so be it. I still want to practice KSMMO, because I can see the therapeutic benefits of such experience in our lives, seems like it would really shake up the chakras!

So when my check deposits on Fools Day, my order for the cradle will go in

Hi Paw, thanks very much for your detailed posts and your enthusiasm (from: entheos - inner experience of divine energy - or as I like to say: inner-ji)!

I hope you'll post the link where I said that, as it's not entirely accurate.

What I typically recommend is that when one is involved in other practices, that one practice them on days other than the days on which you practice using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ aka KSMO or KSMMO (re: males).

I recommend this in order to be able to more readily identify the results that flow directly from this practice.

This is not an absolute rule, however, but a guideline.

If you are already committed to other practices and you feel that you must continue to practice them daily as you describe, then so be it.

There are many paths to the top of the mountain...

I do however invite you, at some time in the future, to consider exploring from time to time the pattern I've recommended, just in case you might discover you wouldn't otherwise. It's a cordial invitation however, not a rule.

I would say follow your intuition! Let your Inner Guides suggest variations and tune in to what effects you experience... document here what you discover...

What seems to benefit? What perhaps does not, so much?

I also want to confirm that at least some of the time when you practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ that you do however indeed include the single touch or caress of an area or areas of your body that are pleasant to your touch, and that at least some of these areas are erotically pleasurable.

This is to help awaken the multiorgasmic Echo Effects response that typically results from this practice.

Often, when people here post that not much seems to be happening, or that they are at a plateau, this seems to be associated with their practice 2/3 of the Protocol, but for some reason abstain from that single touch or caress...

I do encourage one and all who are comfortable doing so to at least some of the time include that single touch or caress to find out what their body's multi-orgasmic Echo Effects™ response system may have to teach.

Well this may all be great... By the same token however, I wonder what you might discover if at least some of the time, at a frequency of your choosing, you give yourself a day or whatever period of time you feel comfortable permitting yourself, to practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ simply as is, without the necessity of keeping track of all of the other issues that you describe.

The practice in and of itself can be a way of quieting the mind, and the body, and from that there may be things for you to learn that might not otherwise be available to you.

Again this is an invitation, not a demand or order or anything like that... just an impish attempt to perhaps pique your curiosity just a little bit.

I hope these comments are helpful and heuristic...

aloha!
Jack

Hi Jack, thanks for the reply.

Yes you are correct, I am just a beginner with KSMMO, so I am a long way from applying breathlessness to a MMO peak at this time. I was speculating, but definitely something I will explore if all goes well in future. I will practice as you instruct, and keep it simple.

Good advice, I will follow intuition on scheduling. I really can't interrupt my yoga practice, tho, that comes first always. But with energy flowing, hopefully I will have success learning KSMMO, even with practicing after sitting yoga.

I'll definitely return and report my progress!