Hi Everyone.

It's been several years since I posted. I would like to state that Jack's CD was one of the best investments I ever made in my entire life. I continued having multiple orgasms as well as studying the orgasm. I have now spent years studying Qi Kung and now am helping my teacher write a book on his Qi Kung methods (his english is not so good -- he's from Michigan :-). I have spent a lot of time studying Wilhelm Reich also. Reich was a big proponant of the positive effects of a good, all out, full release orgasm.

I honestly have to say that my life would have been different if I had not discovered Jack's work. I've now spent several years having multiple orgasms (though sometimes shelving it for a little while here and there if, say, a girlfriend was not open to doing any of that and it was time for a lot of good old fashioned penis pumping sex). My initial experience was that better orgasms (waaaaaay back, first time I got KSMO to work) were amazing, overwhelming, psyche affecting.. sometimes even excruciating :-).

Anyhow, I will try to log on here regularly, at least for the next little while, and participate in some of the discussions.

Jonathan ::: Ambient

Three cheers for Jack!

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Hi all.. I only got Jack's CD recently so haven't got there yet... but I've been reading other sources of info here and there. I wondered if too much pleasure could be too much for the body... (like regular orgasms, sometimes it just gets too much) do cosmic orgasms lead to spiritual realisation. Any thoughts about orgasms and healing (self and others)..

Nothing like a simple little thought on a Wednesday morning :-)

Thanks Fruitbat.

I am so glad I get to answer your post first, fruitbat!

Ok, your first question was if it is possible for too much pleasure for the body.

Anything is possible, but I can't think of any instances where NATURAL pleasure killed someone, or broke a leg, or lost an eye. However, what it looks like to me what you are really asking is, 'How much pleasure can I really handle??' This is what we refer to as 'terror at the gates'. It happens when the KSMO practitioner gets to a point where they don't think they deserve or can handle any more pleasure. But guess what? They go through the gates, and BAM! They get even more pleasure.

Your body, anybody's body, can handle just as much pleasure as you think you deserve. Case in point, mog, Pan, Laly, Jack, and lots of others can go HOURS now. But before, some of them probably didn't think they would EVER get pleasure again. They all had to take that step through the gates (a place I am at right now), and they are better for it.

Now, there is a reason why we don't push in this practice. And it is the same reason why you don't push in a lot of other practices. With the KSMO, we are rewiring the body, and this process takes time.

If we were to, say, take a 16 year old boy, and but him in a cage match with the UFC Champion, the poor boy would get his head ripped off! But if we gave that kid a few years of training, he still might not win, but he will be able to defend himself, and probably deal some damage to his opponent. It is the same principal with KSMO. Got it?

Side note: I have seen AND heard of people getting to much pleasure(as in, more than they could handle at the time, but nothing bad happened). Sometimes it was their own doing, but sometimes it wasn't, it was their partner giving, and not listening to their pleas, or understanding/knowing what is possible. The pleasee ends up passed out for a bit, spaces out, and/or has a kundalini rising. I am all for these things, when practiced alone, with a consenting adult, and you know what the ^$#% you are doing. I would LOVE to give a female partner so much pleasure that she passes out. I would also be honored to rise a kundalini. But I know of too many people that try some technique, have no education about it, and ^@&$ hits the fan.

Ugh, that was a mighty rant. If I need to be more clear, just ask!

Ok, your next question was if cosmic orgasms lead to spiritual realisation.

Yes.

Since my school teachers always wanted a 'good' answer, instead of the yes or no, here you go. You can have spiritual realisations from ANYTHING. Snowflakes, sex, cars, math, plants, etc. ANYTHING. But just because someone had an epiphany, doesn't mean it is right.

Chew on that for a bit.

Your next question was about thoughts on orgasms and healing(self and others).

There are stories of Tantra being used for its great healing abilities. And right here on this forum, you will see how KSMO has healed alot of individuals.

Are you looking for something in particular to heal?

p.s. I totally checked out that tantra chair. It was great until I say '999.00'. Haha, for that much, it should vibrate, have a sensual music player system, and do my laundry. Or at least come with a woman pre installed!

It does look like a fun chair though, come on Xmas bonus!!

Hi again fruitbat! (I pop up everywhere - there's no avoiding me)

>I wondered if too much pleasure could be too much for the body... (like regular orgasms, sometimes it just gets too much).....<

Yes, it can happen - it's happened to me (and others) several times in my KSMO adventures. It's known as The Terrors!

I think I've had somewhere around twenty of these little demons, of varying strengths. The lightest give an unpleasant start, the heaviest can be rather disturbing like a warning not to travel ahead too fast or too far.

Always, a Terror has occurred at a time when I was suddenly finding myself in a new and higher orgasmic territory, experiencing a strength of orgasmic sensation significantly higher than anything before. The Terror sensation is hard to describe - one of fright that some physical or mental damage might be happening, a feeling of losing control, of falling backwards into a void, sudden panic, losing consciousness......

But these have never lasted for more than a few seconds and have never caused me any actual harm. Afterwards, slightly chastened for a while, one continues ahead thinking that it wasn't so bad after all.

But the interesting thing is that once having been thrust up to that new higher level of experience one can tolerate and revel in it in all future sessions without difficulty. In other words a process of ratcheting upwards is happening. With continued progress I find these events are becoming rare - I can remember only one in about the last four months.

I've found that the best reaction is to remain as calm as possible until the event passes.

But Terrors are not an unavoidable phenomenon on the KSMO trail. With luck, none will be encountered.

I hope you don't come across any of these little nasties, but if you ever do, regard each one as a sign of progress.

Mog

Re: Feeling scared.

Reich Addresses this. He actually says that one's fear of sexual pleasure is equal to the fear of falling, and vice-versa. Falling and finding the ground is a powerful experience in itself and he had methods for safely doing so. Often people with tight pelvic muscles, chronically contracted, are showing signs of fear of falling/fear of orgasm.

As for the existance of "too much pleasure":

In my opinion, no such thing exists.

Hi Ambient!

Glad you're back here! I, for one, would be interested to hear of your current experiences, as you are a KSMO veteran.

>As for the existence of "too much pleasure":.........In my opinion, no such thing exists.<

I presume you are not implying that the "Terrors" don't exist.

But I would agree with you so far as to say that anyone who is frightened of more pleasure needs some help!

>........one's fear of sexual pleasure is equal to the fear of falling, and vice-versa.<

A few of my terrors have had that effect, but only for a couple of seconds.

Have you experienced the terrors in your career?

If so, do you still get them?

Mog

[quote=mog;7979]Hi Ambient!

Glad you're back here! I, for one, would be interested to hear of your current experiences, as you are a KSMO veteran.

>As for the existence of "too much pleasure":.........In my opinion, no such thing exists.<

I presume you are not implying that the "Terrors" don't exist.

ME:::To the contrary, I'm sure they exist. I remember feeling them a whole lot at first.

But I would agree with you so far as to say that anyone who is frightened of more pleasure needs some help!

ME:::I wouldn't belittle the feeling of fear. It's natural. People are sexually repressed in our society...

Have you experienced the terrors in your career?

ME:::Yes, sometimes fear of orgasm, other times fear of failure.

If so, do you still get them?

Me:::I've been approaching LOTS of different perspectives on sex and orgasm. KSMO is really similar to several types of Qi Kung as well as Reichian Breathing and some stuff that bioenergetics people do. I would have to say that right now I'm doing a practice of Qi Kung that focuses on relaxation and body structure.

I notice when I do orgasmic breathing that I still have some habitual tendencies to contract and anticipate or to contract to try to "control" the feelings. I'm talking about rather subtle types of long-term contraction, like in the neck and face. Just Yesterday I was doing some Qi Kung and really letting a lot of relaxation happen in my upper body, opening my facial area and relaxing my neck and such. Then afterwords, I changed positions and did some Orgasmic Breathing. I noticed that I had recontracted the areas I had relaxed during Qi Kung practice.

So, I focused on remaining relaxed in those areas and continued my orgasmic breathing. I had a VERY nice and long orgasm, long continuous waves. Not the most intense ever but beautiful and enjoyable... and now that I'm talking about it, I remember a couple of specific feelings that were reminiscent of some of my first orgasms as an 11 year old.

I have been noticing that, with the increased bodily-emotional release I get from Qi Kung, sometimes I have memories or recollections of feelings that I thought I had long-since lost. Many of my most important emotions are tied to sex and love... so lots of these feelings that I "rediscover" are in that area.

How is that for an answer to your question?

--Jonathan