Hi All,

This is my first post. I didn't realise I was signing up and so entered userId of 'test' and now can't work out how to change my UserId to something more personal. Oh well, my name is Paul.

My question is this. I bought the MMO CD a week ago and have practiced 4 times for 20 mins. I'm paying close attention to the pronunciation as well as pausing and waiting to see if any 'echoes' come up. I haven't noticed any so far.

I'm just wondering if doing 'other' practices will affect in a detrimental manner my ability to make a break through with MMO. I've been doing some Chi Kung exercises for years and in particular do a practice by Mantek Chia using the 'power lock' which involves stimulation to 90% - 95% of the way to orgasm and then applying an internal lock that stops any ejaculation. The internal lock is a process of tensing anal and perenium and buttock muscles and visualising chi/energy rising from this area up the spine to the brain and to circulate it there and then move it down the front of the body to the heart and/or navel. In a session I might do this about 10 times or more. I notice that after a certain number of times, all the unstable and 'active' sexual energy (that causes feelings of horniness) has moved out of the genitles. I then have a great feeling of alertness, consciousness. I do this at least once a day in the morning and sometimes again in the evening. I remember reading in the 'protocol' that it mentions if you are going to ejaculate then not to do it the same day as you've done the MMO practice because it mentions that "Likewise, if you are male, for maximum benefit I recommend that you do
not ejaculate on the same day that you practice this Protocol. Wait at
least until the next day.
Otherwise, you may never learn to separate orgasm from ejaculation
without feeling dependent on a muscle-squeeze- or similar
last-moments-before-ejaculation technique."
Does this include the sort of practices that I've already mentioned above? If I did a 'power lock' practice in the morning and an MMO practice in the evening then would that be enough of a time difference? There would be about 10 hours after the MMO practice before doing the next 'power lock' practice.

If I don't do the 'power lock' practice then I can be climbing the walls with sexual frustration after a day or so. I also dont' necessarily want to give up the 'power lock' practice either because I feel the health benefits from it and a great conscious awareness by circulating the chi energy to the brain and through the body.

BTW, I don't know if it matters, but I haven't ejaculated regularly for a couple of years, just a couple of odd 'accidents' over that period of time.

I hope you can help out. I look forward to hearing from someone with experience in this area.

Paul

Hello, and Welcome!!!

I'll be very interested to find out how I did not make that clear in the registration process so I can correct it. I've sent you an email with details on how we might talk directly.

Unfortunately, UserId is the one thing about your profile you cannot change by yourself. But I will be happy to do it for you!

Please see the email I just sent you.

Ok, that means it's time to post an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound ™ to the [url=http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlongerinbed/the-multiple-orgasm-trigger-for-men-and-women/users-free-key-sound-private-validation-service-area/]Validation Area[/quote]. You can click on that brown text with the underline to get there, or go to the top of the Forum Home page by clicking on the Peak Experience image at the top of any Forum page, and then just below there a little ways you'll see a box describing this free service, with a link that says: GET YOUR KEY SOUND™ ARTICULATION VALIDATED NOW

If you're not getting any little goose bumps or tingles, or absolutely ANYthing at all like that, then there is a BIG chance you are not articulating the Key Sound™ correctly.

I'm just wondering if doing 'other' practices will affect in a detrimental manner my ability to make a break through with MMO.

Chi Kung will probably help - just don't practice those techniques during your 20 minute practice sessions.

Initially, even when you are articulating the Key Sound ™ correctly, the Echo Effects™ tend to be very subtle, so there's a big tendency to say the nothing is happening, when in fact there is - but it's initially very subtle.

No big deal! We will help you with that!

In general, that is great...

Except for: That will only confuse you! This practice will effectively replace that particular practice since THIS practice is based on separating the orgasmic and the ejaculation reflexes (they are actually two distinct reflexes!) into their separate parts!

That is what is so revolutionary about the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, if I may say so: No more tensing up at the last moment, or locking or blocking!

You learn to use the Key Sound™ plus a little tiny bit of stimulation to gently pump arousal to multiorgasmic intensity.

By NOT using the customary continuous stimulation so familiar to you and every other male on the planet, you will not set in motion the ejaculation reflex, so there will be nothing you have to lock or block!

The other way is so ingrained in our learning, it's hard at first to replace it with a new understanding! That's why I say that the greater challenge to learning this lifelong skill is not between the legs, it's between the ears!

That is, it's about making a shift in your understanding of how to build arousal without relying on a lot of stimulation.

VERY GOOD QUESTION! You have just taught me to be more clear about that particular instruction! Thank you for teaching me how to teach you!!!

The answer is... Do NOT practice stimulation and ejaculation blocking on the same day as practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™

IF YOU PRACTICE THAT LOCKING METHOD, IT WILL ONLY DELAY YOUR PROGRESS!

NOPE! I know you're trying to rationalize that, but let it go, please!

Please give the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ a FAIR CHANCE to help you learn something DIFFERENT and VERY IMPORTANT!

MOST, if not ALL people who correctly practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ and learn how to trigger multiples withOUT locking or blocking do not go back to locking / blocking methods!

Nope, no sale!

Give it a rest! LET the energy build!

Don't do ANY stimulation on the day of your Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ practice EXCEPT for that single touch or caress as described in the Protocol.

Please condsider that that may be your FEAR... and... MAYA - illusion...

You may be conning yourself into continuing to use the locking / blocking rather than letting go of your attachment to that practice for a little while, to give yourself enough ROOM to experience something different and even more powerful!

I assure you that when you give yourself enough room to actually experience the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™
and its benefits, there will be plenty of health benefits and alterations of consciousness!

Meanwhile, if you feel you want to practice locking blocking, do so on the days betweenpractice of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™.

And at LEAST once per week. Leave a day entirely open between your two Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ practice sessions, just to find out what might happen!

On those times when you feel the energy building to where you feel you can't stand it, get to a private place, and let that energy flow out through your Key Sounds™.

In effect, do an energy ejaculation through your Key Sound™ rather that via emission of semen through your penis. If seminal ejaculation happens, no big deal. Don't worry about it!

I have 15 years' experience... I hope that qualifies...

Thanks again for your post and your great questions... and, once again...

Welcome to the Adventure!!!

Wishing you all the very best that life has to offer,
Jack

Thankyou Jack for the feedback.

I get the point about how the blocking/locking can confuse the body.

I'm just wondering if it's ok to do practices such as pumping and squeezing the PC muscle and visualise energy circulation without any sexual stimulation. I do this also, as a type chi kung meditation/concentration/breathing type exercise. There's no feeling of holding back with this as there's no touching or sexual stimulation at all.

Sure that's fine. Just not on the days you practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™.

On those days, just dedicate your self to this practice only, and do your other practices on the days between practice of the Protocol.

And at least once per week, on the days between practice of the Protocol, don't do any of the other practices either.

This gives your body a chance to recalibrate itself to this practice, without being pushed or pulled in other directions.

It may be of benefit to you to do some of the reading about our recommendation to do not "chase the fawn".

Use the search link on the lower navbar just above the ChatBox at the top of most any forum page, and use our Google site search.

Be sure to put the quotes around "chase the fawn" to get posts containing that phrase and concept.

Also search on "chasing the fawn".

Enjoy your practice!

REEEEEEEEEEELAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX!

SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW DOWWWWWWWWWWWN!

Cool, bro! I'm thinking 20 minutes is a good amount of time. Enough time to notice stuff, not too much time to take it too seriously.

Okay, I'll toss in my perspective. Several years ago, I don't know, I think maybe five or so, I learned KSMO from Jack. It's really really Rad. I've since learned similar techniques from other traditions and other people. KSMO falls in the category of stuff I like, in that it doesn't use too much force. I guess you can force it, but it's not necessary and KSMO CAN lead to a path of less force. I think the good multiple orgasm methods use less force rather than more (and they all end up being fairly similar). Mantak Chia on the other hand, fall into what I think of as "other stuff" that I really don't like as much.

::::::::How long have you been doing Qi Kung? I'm studying Wujifa, which is vaguely similar to Wuji standing. The most basic formula would be to learn to "stand and relax." Contrast this to I Chi Ching (sp?) where you torque your muscles around in funny ways and breathe hard (often getting red in the face)... I Chi Ching is cool if I have an army of 5000 men that I need to prepare for battle in six months, but it can cause high blood pressure and ultimately damage the body.

::::::::::::I think of Chia's stuff in a similar way. I was learning to apply Qi Kung to pistol shooting and used one of Chia's methods for Kung Fu involving twisting each joint in oposite directions throughout the body. It was an okay method, but it torques the body and creates stiffness in unnatural ways. I FAR prefer relaxation, good structure, and a balanced approach...

::::::::::::What is your purpose for not ejaculating? I'm curious.

--Jonathan