Some background info:
I am a 19 year old virgin and not that I am ugly, fat or stupid, but I tend to be too independant to make lots of friends-girlfriends, so it never happened.
I have read book (mostly e-books) all about sex and basically know all the ins and outs of sex (accidental pun) just preparing for the day that I finally had a chance to get a girl and blow her mind.
One thing that I found and had been trying is the squeeze method which I managed to get to work - but not really. I can withhold the ejaculation so that 0 ml seeps out, but I still go flaccid after... so that just didn't work for me


SOOO... I found KSMO and my initial thought of it was that it was made for masturbation and basically for virgins (like me) who can't get laid and want something more, but having worked so hard at the squeeze method for it not to work I was willing to settle for that

Lucky for me that wasn't the case as Jack explains many partner activities

So I listened to the mp3s once all the way through, then another time as i was relaxing before my first session, I started playing the example sound and trying to copy it the best I could and I started feeling tingling in my lower lower (under the skin) penis, the tingling was quite wonderful and without any stimulation I got an erection, then continuing to make the sound for probably another 10-15 minutes I kept getting more and more aroused with the echo effects until I felt like i was just about to ejaculate , but then I guess I got sloppy with the sound and my erection started to fade, then I tried to stimulate myself and make the sound, and finally I got fed up and manually ejaculated, which was actually my most intense orgasm every...

2 days later I tried once again and with the (in my mind) success of the first session I (stupidly) thought that playing one of my favorite porn videos would help me get closer, sadly I only got minor effects and in the end about 1/3 of the total arousal and ended up turning on the lights and ejaculating as I normally did

today (about a week since my last session) I tried once again, I edited the sample clip of the sound by jack so that it goes
(high pitch beep-(inhale)-----------low pitch beep-(exhale)--------------) X4
then keysound-demo-single-male-voice.mp3

I had that repeating on my ipod once again - stupid - I ended up concentrating on making my voice sound like jack's instead of making it reverberate through my body.

So now I am too frustrated to continue... sigh

I know that I may sound kind of weird, pointing out all the things that I did wrong.... but hey!

hindsight is 20/20, foresight: not so much

Don't get frustrated and don't give up.

It kind of sounds like you were trying to make things happen instead of just relaxing and letting them happen. I still haven't experienced full body orgasms, but even what I've felt so far has been wonderful and more than I ever expected I could feel. Your body will surprise you.

It's been said lots of times, but it's worth repeating: Relax and feel the sensations. You've already had a taste of what lies ahead of you.

Hi q21q21 - I'm also working on a reply to your posts. Please watch this space and the reply zone for your other thread!

All the best,
Jack

Hi q21q21!

I agree with Justn - don't give up so soon - In fact, don't give up at all!

I may be wrong but the general tenor of your account seems that you are much too anxious to get early results. Such anxiety can seriously hinder the start of the re-wiring process. I think it would help if you dropped all thoughts of jollying your KSMO project along by any other means and cleared your mind of all the possible diversions as completely as you can when you resume practice.

I know it's not easy at first to do the Key Sound the way Jack can do it but it comes with practice. You might perhaps try practicing the KS with a pillow over your face to begin with - I've found that the slightly higher pressure that this induces in the lungs and throat on the exhale can help lower and deepen the tone and make the KS easier to pronounce.

You have felt the first signs that the KSMO can work for you - try to resume practice but in as relaxed a fashion as you can manage.

Thanks very much for the background it's quite helpful.

I hear you... There is tremendous pressure to conform to media generated standards so the big corporations can sell loads of products.

Nevertheless, even people who do not meet the media generated standards of what is considered to be good-looking, people who may be obese, and those of varying degrees of intellectual capability all deserve love, shared intimacy, and happiness...

You make an interesting point here... that being independent. While I totally support having a strong sense of identity and autonomy, studies show that a very large percentage of people are introduced by their friends and acquaintances to someone who turns out to become an intimate partner.

I don't know how much you've read in the forum yet but I invest a considerable amount of energy in helping people reframe the language they use to describe their situation and experiences...

This may seem trivial or nitpicking, but actually, the language we use in this way, especially in reference to situations in challenges that are personally very important to us may have very different effects on our emotions and on our expectations of a positive outcome.

Therefore, I invite you to do a very quick experiment: first, think about the situation you are just describing above, and then say to yourself "so it never happened." And notice how you feel.

Then, think about the situation you are just describing above, and then say to yourself "so it hasn't happened yet. "And notice any differences in how you feel."

There are several studies which clearly show that such apparently subtle changes in the language we use to describe their experience may have dramatically different outcomes, the latter example that I gave you tending to have more positive results.

In other words, the difference between those two sentence forms is NON-trivial.

I'm curious as to what the titles might be of some of the books that you've read...

It's good to know about the mechanics of sexual activity, and it's important to access solid information about the social aspects of developing an intimate relationship.

Here are two books that a woman colleague of mine, Dr. Francesca Gentille, a Relationship Coach, and Sexuality Educator recommends:

The Way of the Superior Lover, by David Deida

And

King, Warrior, Magician, Lover, by Robert Moore

Those two books will also have references and recommendations to other books that can give you some good additional information.

That's a nice goal, just keep in mind that in order to achieve that goal there are most likely some intermediate steps in developing a relationship with a young woman, and understanding that for most women, it's a lot more important to be skillful at communicating, being emotionally vulnerable, and emotionally honest, than it is to be an Olympic grade sexual athlete.

Also, as you continue to learn to open yourself to the power available to you to practice of The Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, you will greatly increase your chances of being automatically more attractive to desirable women. This fact has been frequently describe in our forum by young men for whom this is happened.

... not for you, and not for billions of other men as well, myself included!

That's precisely why I said about to discover a method that was not frustrating and artificial, but rather one that would be a relaxing, easy and natural way to awaken your innate multiorgasmic capability. You have definitely come to the right place, as I'm sure you've read by now in any accounts posted by others here since 1997!

I'm happy to report that that's not entirely the case!

Although the 20 minute sessions should at least in the beginning be practiced by yourself, so you're not putting undue performance pressure on yourself or on a potential sexual partner, as you continue to practice correctly and further awaken the multiorgasmic response that you are born with, these intense rushes of pleasure become accessible to you and transferable to a partner virtually automatically, without having to fret about trying to block ejaculation and all of those other frustrating and artificial maneuvers!

That's right, exactly!

This is really great news to have such wonderful Echo Effects™ so early in your practice!

How's that for a very pleasant surprise?

Okay, this could be just about the most important point in this whole post:

is absolutely not necessary to maintain erection during the practice sessions, nor is it necessary to maintain erection at any time to enjoy waves of multiorgasmic pleasure!

The multiorgasmic skill that I am teaching you is not dependent on erection at all!

In fact, erections may tend to occur, and then dissipate, and then reoccur, in a cycling fashion throughout extremely intense waves of multiorgasmic pleasure!

This may also occur during intercourse but through a greater understanding and appreciation of the intensity of the multiorgasmic feelings that you and your partner can be sharing throughout this process maintaining a constant erection tends to become less important...

That said, erection can be restored by using surprisingly less stroking, that is stimulation, than is typically the case, when desired.

Please remember that during the 20 minute practice sessions, I recommend that for stimulation you use only a single touch or caress before each Key Sound™, and believe me, I fully understand that it can be a challenge to restrict the amount of stimulation to that seemingly limited amount!

But also keep in mind, that I'm only talking about doing that pattern during the 20 minute practice sessions.

As you well know, I also recommend that you explore not doing more stimulation after the 20 minute practice sessions but if you're still feeling aroused just do some reading or even take a warm relaxing bath, or shower, and the Echo Effects™ may continue to get stronger.

Not too bad for a beginner, eh?

That's really GREAT that this early in your practice you've already experienced an orgasm with ejaculation that is the strongest you've ever felt in your life!!!

I want to encourage you to stop beating yourself up by using terms such as "stupidly"...

This is a very important issue!

It's my opinion, with respect, that if you want to learn to treat someone else in a loving way, you must also learn to treat yourself in a loving way... especially when it comes to sexuality.

I think your tendency to hassle yourself in this way is based on your trying to learn this lifelong skill as quickly as possible, and that very natural and completely understandable tendency is what we refer to as chasing the fawn.

I encourage you to use the search engine in the forum by clicking the search link in the upper right hand corner at the top of the page and in the search box in quotes put the phrase "chasing the fawn" and please read the discussions about learning how to deal with this very common and very understandable tendency.

And please, learn to be very kind and patient with yourself, OK?

Please keep in mind that it is a very natural and common tendency for results to be less dramatic in the one or even several practice sessions after a breakthrough such as the one you described... that is, that the orgasm you experienced was the strongest you ever experienced in your life!

Please understand that learning this lifelong skill is based on cycles of fairly quiet results and then, quite often when you least expect it, a dramatic breakthrough, followed by one or more additional cycles of practice sessions where the results may be less dramatic.

As I often mention throughout this forum for the last 13 years, it's actually a quite common pattern that the big breakthroughs happen most often when you least expect them!

Also, another very important point to keep in mind is that watching pornography is in itself a highly stimulating activity, and it tends to take your attention away from what you're experiencing in your own body into a realm of fantasy that can be highly stimulating and lead to ejaculation, rather than to the multiple orgasms without ejaculation and without blocking ejaculation that is our goal in this training.

No big deal, in my opinion!

This is all part of your learning experience!

Please remember that, and remember to be kind to yourself and give yourself lots of freedom to explore and experiment, without expecting yourself to get perfect results but rather to focus on relaxing and enjoying the feelings you are feeling, and then let yourself be pleasantly surprised from time to time, perhaps when you least expect it!


That is excellent that you gave yourself some time off from practice! Way to go!
That is a very important lesson you have learned, Congratulations!

Please notice your language there...

Please notice your use of the term tried.

That suggests to me that you are trying to make these Echo Effects™ happen rather than just doing the practice and allowing them to happen when they decide to happen!

Again I remind you that the strongest effects tend to happen when you least expect them!

That is the opposite of trying to make them happen!

I know that probably sounds very weird to you and very foreign, and it's quite understandable because we are so used to using lots of stimulation to make orgasm with ejaculation happen!

But it's because I figured out the secret that had eluded everyone else on how to have these multiple orgasms completely separate from ejaculation without having to block ejaculation was in part that very fact of letting go of trying to make the orgasms happen...

A big part of the breakthrough secret was and still is to learn how to quit trying to make them happen and to learn to allow them to happen!


I edited the sample clip of the sound by jack so that it goes
(high pitch beep-(inhale)-----------low pitch beep-(exhale)--------------) X4
then keysound-demo-single-male-voice.mp3

Sure is a nice use of the iPod, isn't it?

Okay, I want you to stop beating up on a friend of mine, now! Okay?

That friend of mine, is you!

I want you to make a conscious effort to stop referring to yourself or your behavior as stupid, OK?

And if you slip, and notice that you were doing it again, don't call yourself stupid for doing so!

Instead, be glad that you noticed the pattern, and forgive yourself again and move on, OK?

Okay, does that mean that you're about to give up trying? That would be a good thing!

Give up trying, and just practice and find out what happens!

By the way, the sigh is a good thing!!!

Less trying and more sighing! OK?

Repeat after me:
Less trying and more sighing!
Less trying and more sighing!
Less trying and more sighing!



Get it?

Not at all!

Here's another one of those little language tricks:
instead of referring to those things you described as things you did wrong,
use the phrase that doesn't involve shaming yourself...
for example: things that didn't work
OK?

That's it exactly!

That's the attitude!

Excellent report... A+!!!

I look forward to your next report...

Please remember:
Stop calling yourself names
Stop beating up on my friend (that's YOU!)
Stop trying
Keep sighing
and
Keep practicing... but for no more than 20 minutes at a time (more or less), and no more than three times per week!

Wishing you all the very best that life has to offer you, your friend,
Jack

Relaxing and to stop trying to make it happen is probably one of the biggest blocks to KSMO. Why is it more natural Jack for other cultures to just let things happen versus ours that try to make things happen? I'm in the process as well of just learning to 'really' relax and just let KSMO happen. The more I relax and let things just happen, the more things happen so to speak.

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