Hello Everyone,

For the past few weeks, I've made some fantastic progress with KSMO. Enough so, that I'm finally convinced that I have a success story to share. The skeptic side never thought I'd get this far, but here I am!

Background:

I'm currently in my mid 20's, but my interest in multiple orgasms started way back when I was a teenager. You know, that stage where you think of sex and orgasms as "wow, this is so cool. I wish I could go all day, but this refractory period is a bummer." Lucky for me, I was born in the age of computers and the internet was taking off in a big way. I was able to read up what little I could, and it seemed that only certain few lucky guys were able to pull off orgasm after orgasm, a luck of the draw from the gene pool lottery. Disappointed, I put my interest aside.

My interest flared up again after I graduated and left for university. I stumbled upon a book on Taoist sexual techniques for achieving multiple orgasm. Intrigued, I picked it up and immediately began practicing. Even though I was naturally interested, being surrounded by freshman university girls really poured on the motivation. The book had a lot of physical-blocking techniques, such as squeezing the PC muscle and even stopping ejaculation by pinching off the urethra. I found these techniques very distracting, and after a certain time, painful. After I realized I was making no progress, I stopped altogether and again put my interest aside.

Through out my university years, I occasionally searched the web for multi-orgasmic techniques. Most were the same, involving flexing the PC muscle at the PONR. However, I did stumble across a forum where KSMO was mentioned. Not surprisingly, it was Pan (of the Dragon variety) who was advocating it. When I first came across Jack's website, I was a downright skeptic. "Making growling noises? C'mon, I don't want to have to growl like a bear just to become multi-orgasmic. It all sounds like hooey." I kept searching for another way, ultimately without success. I started to work on my masters thesis and, once more, put the elusive goal of achieving multiple orgasm on the back burner.


Discovering KSMO:

At the very beginning of the this year, I finished my thesis after a stressful month of writing and revising. With more free time in the evenings, I suddenly had the urge to check out Jack's website. On a whim, I decided "What the hell, let's give it a shot". I bought the seminar and began reading everything I could on the forums. I promised myself to give it an honest try, with an open mind and minimal preconceptions.

Progress was slow. I practiced the key sound, listening to the voice sample repeatedly. At first I felt nothing. No big deal, I was still practicing the key sound and I knew that few people were able to achieve MMO quickly. I was prepared to stick it out. After a couple weeks, I noticed during my sessions a sensation in my perineum area. I can only describe this as a twinge, like as if a guitar string was plucked and was producing ever-so-slight vibrations. Heartened that I actually felt something, I continued to practice enthusiastically, maintaining 20 minute sessions 3-4 times a week. I even began to notice this twinge outside of my session, such as when I sat on the bus to work.

Unfortunately, I hit a wall. I continued practice thought February and into March. The initial enthusiasm was wearing off, and my mind was starting to wander during practice sessions. I knew from the forums that listening to your intuitions was encouraged and I decided to take time off KSMO. I went back to daily masturbation (before I was alternating one day "wet", one day "dry"). I also started dating at this point, and figured the sexual excitement would have distracted me completely anyways. I was only going to return when I felt ready to try again.


Breakthrough:

I should mention at this point that I love video games. One of those games is Guitar Hero, a game that mimics playing the real guitar, which I started playing the same time I started KSMO. Similar to KSMO, I was committed to improving at the game as much as possible. What I found was that after taking long breaks from the game, I actually found myself rapidly improving when I returned. Previously impossible songs were conquered just after a few tries. I realized that these long breaks were extremely beneficial and now I've gotten pretty darned good at the game.

What does this have to do with KSMO? Well in late July, after playing another 'bout of Guitar Hero, I figured "hey, if taking breaks works so well with this game, maybe it'll work well with KSMO." I was ready to resume practicing, with the idea that the break actually being helpful.

I started up the practice sessions again. The first few days were similar to my previous experience. After reading the forums, I decided to add three twists to change things up:

1. Have extra non-KSMO sessions where I just listen to the Ecstasy CD
2. Abstain from all ejaculations. I was very curious to see if a longer stretch of no ejaculation would have any effect.
3. Switch from laying on the bed with my knees up, to my comfy lazy boy recliner.

I decided to try out 1) because at this point, I found using the slight caress during KSMO sessions to be distracting. The twinge I felt in the perineum was fleeting, and any sort of arousal of the penis chased it away. I wanted a different session to complement my KSMO sessions where there was no touching, and no use of the key sounds. In these session, I would just try to meditate, focusing my awareness on my body and especially the groin area. I figured the Ecstasy CD would be perfect to help me focus and become attuned to the feelings in my body.

I also figured that the temptation of ejaculating at the end of the session to be too strong, and I was ending sessions short because I couldn't resist. By committing myself to try and see how long I can "master my domain", I was able to garner enough willpower to resist the urge and allow myself to observe whatever new sensations surfaced. My friends thought I was crazy, but I didn't mention the KSMO part.

In previous sessions, I couldn't find a comfortable position on my bed where I could completely relax. Lying on my back with my legs up allowed me to articulate the key sound properly, but it put strain on my legs as I needed to tense the muscles to keep them from slipping. Other positions were more comfortable, but I had difficulty articulating the key sound. The lazy boy chair was the perfect solution, because I could recline in a horizontal position, and rest my feet on the recliner in such a way that the legs were resting on the chair arms and relaxed.

With these three adjustments, I began practicing in earnest. I alternated days between my KSMO sessions and my silent brainwave entrainment sessions. For the first few days, things seemed normal and I noticed nothing different.

However, after the 5th or 6th day of abstaining from ejaculation, things started to change. I was listening to the Ecstasy CD on my non-KSMO entrainment day, and my mind was unusually quiet. Normally my mind is quite chattery and I always had trouble focusing my awareness on just my body. While I was observing the very small echo effects in my perineum area, my mind seemed to just "sync" with the Ecstasy "sound" (I'll refrain from calling it music. See the music thread here for more info). My mind was just resonating with the wave sound. Then slowly, the very tiny echo effect I was observing began to grow.

It began to slowly spread upwards, like a flower opening in bloom. In my excitement, I began to tense up, but with my KSMO training, I immediately relaxed and allowed the echo effect to grow. It shot up my spine, into my chest, and eventually reached my head. Then it began to come in waves. I finally did it! It wasn't a true orgasm, but I realized I opened up my orgasmic pathways, or what Jack likes to call the "sleeping giant". At this point any doubts I had about KSMO completely vanished.

I continued with the session, with each wave slightly stronger than the rest. I began to involuntarily shake, shiver, and twitch. A lot of energy was moving through me, and understandably my body was not used to it. Certain parts of the "Song A" on the Ecstasy CD would trigger another wave, with another round of shakes and shivers. After several minutes, I realized my body need a rest to adjust to these new sensations and I stopped the session.

So what did these waves feel like? Pan described it best when he explained a "Tidal Orgasm" here. To me, these waves felt like the beginnings of a Tidal Orgasm, similar to the arousal one feels just prior to an ejaculatory orgasm. They didn't have the intensity of what I would expect to be an orgasm per se, but they were very pleasurable.

The next day I decided to try a KSMO session, hoping to repeat the same success. Immediately after the first key sound, the waves of pleasure returned. I followed the protocol, with occasional light stimulation, and a couple breaths in between each key sound. I rapidly reached the same point as the previous night, where my entire body was shaking involuntarily. I didn't even reach the 20 minute mark when I felt like that was all my body could handle, and it wasn't even orgasmic intensity! I was pleased to realize the sleeping giant did really awaken, and it wasn't just brainwave entrainment from the Ecstasy CD that was doing it. My body was responding to KSMO just as many have reported in these forums.

Since this initial success a few weeks ago, I have continued to practice KSMO regularly. I place less emphasis on the brainwave entrainment sessions, but I still use them occasionally for a change of pace that is a little more relaxing. I have also abstained from ejaculation for almost a whole month, which I never thought possible. It has helped me immensely in focus and re-wiring my body to experience fledgling KSMO echo effects. I'm now comfortable in going back to occasional ejaculatory orgasms as I continue to experiment and discover more about my body.

Also, since the the initial break through, the strength of the echo effects have remained about the same. My sessions generally only last 10 minutes, because by that point my body is shaking and I feel I've taken on as much pleasure as I can stand. I believe I'm at what Jack describes as a "Gate of Terror", a plateau where the next level of pleasure lies just beyond. And it's this next level where I think I'll experience a true KSMO. But I'm in no rush! I'm enjoying the sensations I'm currently feeling and I'm confident my body will be able to take on more pleasure as time goes on.

This is a long post, but I hope people find it either informative, motivational, or both! And as a former skeptic, I also hope it encourages any lurking skeptics have an open mind to give the KSMO method a chance.

I want to thank you Jack for offering this program, and providing a wonderful forum to communicate with the community. It was really the forum, not the audio seminar, that gave me the final pieces to the multi-orgasmic puzzle. I also want to thank Pan, Mog, Laly, and everyone else for their insightful posts. Much <3!

Greyx

Hi Greyx

Just read your post with interest. I am just returning to serious practice after quite a long period of occasional toying around... What you describe is similar to the unfolding I have experienced. To start with I was hoping for results way too quickly. It took a while to be able to really relax and let the echoes arrive on their own, to their own rhythm and then start learning to 'tune in' to that rhythm.

Right now I am feeling at a plateau, but the practice seems to be moving along quite rapidly towards the next step (or is it leap). It will come in its own time...

The 'refraining from ejaculation' idea is an interesting one - I have used that myself. In fact since starting to work with KSMO the desire for ejaculatory orgasm alone has diminished markedly - in parallel with the ability to open more deeply to the echoes...

Congratulations on what you have achieved so far - all the best.

Bhikku

Hi Greyx,

>For the past few weeks, I've made some fantastic progress with KSMO. Enough so, that I'm finally convinced that I have a success story to share. The skeptic side never thought I'd get this far, but here I am!<

Welcome to the happy throng of MMO squirrels! Congratulations on getting such excellent early KSMO results and producing such an interesting and well-written account of your multi-orgasmic beginnings! And I'm so glad you've seen the light!

I've just passed my 3rd KSMO anniversary but I can remember my early results which, like you, gave me such a spur to practice regularly and which, despite misgivings that I was very likely too late in life to salvage my moribund libido, encouraged me to press on.

Worth commenting on is the inevitable wonder of knowing what progress we are making along the trail, how it compares with that of other travellers, and what might lie ahead. After a year of the KSMO I was experiencing some pretty unprecedented-in-my-lifetime orgasmic events but I realise now how much further there was for me to go. I simply could not have dreamt of the extreme, prolonged and exotic sensations that I was eventually to experience. Even just in the last two months I have made some unexpected and extraordinary gains and have reached the landscape of repeated heartgasms which, for me, constitute a marvellous and entirely new experience of a substantially greater intensity than anything before.

Like others have found, and you are observing, the KSMO practice can eclipse conventional ejaculative events so that one's "need" of them can lessen and eventually become a side issue of secondary interest - KSMO-derived MMOs can eventually become much more powerful, profound and ecstatic (not to mention that you can have as many orgasms as you like!)

So, Greyx, nice to hear from you, press on, and prepare to expect the unexpected!

Please keep us posted.

Mog

Hi Greyx,

I enjoyed reading this post. I am somewhat new to this having been around for a couple of months. It is really an amazing thing. It sounds as though you are pretty succesful with it.

Congratulations and I look forward to more posts.

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Buster

Thank you Bhikku, Mog, and Buster for your replies. I'm taking a quick KSMO break this long weekend, but I'll definitely post any future breakthroughs here.

Just before my break, I noticed my normal breaths in between Key Sounds felt very pleasurable if I breathed using my stomach, or breathing into my stomach. At some points, they weren't even "normal" breaths, but deep breaths where I expanded my belly. I noticed extra echo effects doing this. Would this be considered "valley breathing"?

I know Jack has simplified the protocol by just focusing on properly making the key sound and has omitted explanation of valley breathing to avoid complication. Would what I'm experiencing now be considered just naturally doing valley breathing as a consequence of correctly doing the key sound?

Thanks again for your responses!

Hi, greyx,

>Just before my break, I noticed my normal breaths in between Key Sounds felt very pleasurable if I breathed using my stomach, or breathing into my stomach. At some points, they weren't even "normal" breaths, but deep breaths where I expanded my belly. I noticed extra echo effects doing this. Would this be considered "valley breathing"?<

I’ve not yet come across a definitive description of Valley Breathing. But what you describe equates well with my own idea of what it entails.

It appears to be generally thought that the prostate can also be massaged remotely from the front of the lower stomach as well as in the usual place. My experience is that this is correct. So if the action of breathing can be made to involve motion of the stomach muscles so that the prostate’s involvement in the orgasmic process can be promoted, this can lead to more intense orgasmic results. This might also explain the erotic sensations that can result from controlled breathing. I can only surmise that the feeling of hollowness and depth that arises at one part of the breathing cycle accounts for the term. Though I feel that the hollowness in the stomach coincides with the erotic in-breath into the high chest, not with the exhale.

I don’t know if valley breathing works for women too, but if so, a different explanation would surely be required in their case!

>Would what I'm experiencing now be considered just naturally doing valley breathing as a consequence of correctly doing the key sound?<

I can’t vouch for precisely that connection. As KSMO training is best done without manual stimulation of any kind (apart from the limited initial amount described in the Protocol) it may be that this form of stimulation should not be engaged too enthusiastically.

But there’s no doubt that valley breathing can enhance a mature KSMO practice.

Hi, I'm really appreciating this wonderful dialog you're having!

It seems like it to me...

Mine too! In the early days of teaching this method, I tended to speak more about Valley Breathing - yet I found that often, concerns about whether or not somebody was doing it correctly, etc. could become a distraction during practice, so generally I've de-emphasized talking much about Valley Breathing per se.

My initial mention of Valley Breathing was an attempt to help people articulate the second part of the Key Sound correctly. Yet I found that it seemed to make more complicated what is in fact a simple process.

Bottom line for me at this time is that if you are articulating the Key Sound in a gentle, unforced way, pretty much the way I demonstrate in both audio seminars, and the way I teach in the one-to-one phone coaching, and you are beginning to notice Echo Effects, however slight, and even if in the beginning they tend mostly to occur after practice, then you will automatically be doing the Valley Breathing correctly enough, because you are articulating the Key Sound correctly enough, or in better terms: effectively enough.

...And that kind of motion tends to happen automatically when you are in fact articulating the Key Sound effectively enough. It doesn't have to be perfect in some absolute sense... and it doesn't really need to be forced or exaggerated - just that sweet little transition that happens in the middle of the Key Sound as I've demonstrated... and you don't need to be distracted by being concerned how your stomach is moving, etc.

You are certainly welcome to notice how your stomach is moving as you make the Key Sounds, but it's my impression that you need not have to try to consciously make your stomach move a particular way.

If you're articulating the Key Sound effectively, the stomach movement will in effect take care of itself... That area of your body will move as it needs to automatically, in order for you to emit a gentle, unforced Key Sound.

I really appreciate your identifying that part of the function of that sweet little transition in the middle of the Key Sound has the effect of massaging the prostate - a very slight bearing down if you will. But please don't try to make your stomach bear down, etc. I even hesitated to mention it!

But when you gently make that transition from the first to the second part of the Key Sound, I think that that could in effect result in a frontal prostate massage. That's very intriguing!

I'm unclear what you mean by controlled breathing... In my own practice I don't have a sense of controlled breathing, but rather just easy, relaxed breathing... It may be just that our operational definitions of what controlled breathing means!

For me, it's just natural, unforced, relaxing breathing between each gentle, unforced Key Sound... a Key Sound that does have that little rolling quality in the middle of it... Like a very gentle push of the sound.

Hmmm... not sure I understand that distinction. To me the Key Sound articulation and its benefits seems to be essentially the same, regardless of gender.

Oh... now I think I get your point - that is, in reference to massage of the prostate.

The thing is, although women don't have a prostate, an effectively articulated Key Sound tends to have a slight subtle compressive effect on the whole pelvic region... now please! Don't run off and try to make that happen consciously! LOL!

Our active minds may tend to want to seize upon anything to hop out of the moment of just being in the breathing, the Key Sounds, and the subtle spontanteous Echo Effects that may tend to happen during the regular, relaxing breathing in between.

I would say that Valley Breathing - at least as I in the early days intended the term, is indeed a natural consequence of articulating the Key Sound effectively. To me, it is indeed that simple.


I'm a little unsure of what you mean by initial but I agree to its use if you mean the little bit of stimulate at the beginning of each or near each round of Key Sound plus a few regular relaxing breaths.

That is, a single touch or caress of a pleasant area of your body, be that genital or otherwise, followed by an unforced, unhurried, relaxing Key Sound - a good deal like a husky sigh but with some vocalization - that vocalization that tends to make your chest vibrate a bit - and eventually with greater relaxation - feeling that vibration extending further down your body... then a few unhurried relaxing breaths...

I'm not sure which "form of stimulation" you are cautioning about there.

Unless I'm missing a distinction your intending to make, and in which I'd be most interested to understand, that sentence could equivalently read: There's no doubt that use of the Key Sound may likewise enhance a mature KSMO practice.

I hope we're not trying to count angels on the head of a pin, here... but if we are, perhaps that can be enjoyable as well, from time to time - as long as we're not attached to it!

Thanks again to both of you for a delightful dialogue!

Wishing you both the very best,
Jack

Hi greyx and Jack!

I feel I ought to clarify my previous post to your thread, greyx.

(Mog)>It appears to be generally thought that the prostate can also be massaged remotely from the front of the lower stomach as well as in the usual place. My experience is that this is correct. So if the action of breathing can be made to involve motion of the stomach muscles so that the prostate’s involvement in the orgasmic process can be promoted, this can lead to more intense orgasmic results. This might also explain the erotic sensations that can result from controlled breathing. I can only surmise that the feeling of hollowness and depth that arises at one part of the breathing cycle accounts for the term.<

I should have made it clear that my observation here was outside the KSMO box – I agree that the Protocol’s practice should, of course, not involve trying to "make" anything happen.

(Mog)>Though I feel that the hollowness in the stomach coincides with the erotic in-breath into the high chest, not with the exhale.<

Having studied this more carefully in my sessions I feel that both inhale and exhale are gently promoting this apparent massage effect.

(Jack)>I'm unclear what you mean by controlled breathing... In my own practice I don't have a sense of controlled breathing, but rather just easy, relaxed breathing... It may be just that our operational definitions of what controlled breathing means!<

I agree. I don’t always think carefully enough about the words I choose. If for “controlled” you read “steady, unforced, unhurried, natural, with awareness” I think that would be better.

(Mog)>I don’t know if valley breathing works for women too, but if so, a different explanation would surely be required in their case!<

(Jack)>Oh... now I think I get your point - that is, in reference to massage of the prostate.<

Yes, that was my point<G>!

(greyx)>Would what I'm experiencing now be considered just naturally doing valley breathing as a consequence of correctly doing the key sound?<

(Mog)>I can’t vouch for precisely that connection.<

I pulled out of that one simply because I don’t think that I’m qualified to answer the question.

(Mog)>As KSMO training is best done without manual stimulation of any kind (apart from the limited initial amount described in the Protocol)<

(Jack)>I'm a little unsure of what you mean by initial but I agree to its use if you mean the little bit of stimulate at the beginning of each or near each round of Key Sound plus a few regular relaxing breaths.<

Yes, that’s what I was meaning.

(Mog)>…..it may be that this form of stimulation should not be engaged too enthusiastically.<

(Jack)>I'm not sure which "form of stimulation" you are cautioning about there.<

Apologies for the confusion. I was meaning deliberate and prolonged stimulation.

(Mog)>But there’s no doubt that valley breathing can enhance a mature KSMO practice.

(Jack)>…….that sentence could equivalently read: There's no doubt that use of the Key Sound may likewise enhance a mature KSMO practice.<

Agreed. That is a much better way of putting it!

(Jack)> I hope we're not trying to count angels on the head of a pin……<

There’s not really enough room for both of us, and greyx as well, to count anything on the head of a pin<G>

Hey greyx – apologies for mogging your thread!

Thanks, Jack, for your comments.

Mog