after about 15 min my legs get shaky and tired, how exactly caan you position pillows to stop this and still keep the position?

can you raise your calfs on pillows and keep the thighs at 90 degrees from the ground or does this alter the position too much? thanks

Andrea, feel free to alter your position however you need to in order to feel comfortable and relaxed.

Change your position whenever there is fatigue, discomfort, or tension.

And limit your practice sessions to no more than thrice weekly, for no more than about 20 minutes.

Remember the important thing is to do the practice for 20 minutes with as much relaxation as possible, and don't expect or try to make anything in particular happen during that time.

You may or may not notice Echo Effects during the early sessions, although you are describing some, apparently.

The strongest effects typically happen after practice or even on the days between practice session.

Thanks for continuing to document your questions and progress here.

All the best!
Jack

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Hi Andrea, I understand about the challenges of
motivation to practice, especially in the early stages
of awakening the full multiorgasmic response.

I really appreciate your posting here though, as it can
be a very good tool for helping you understand what's
going on, and what isn't...

Please keep in mind that dreams often communicate using
metaphor or analogy...

That actually seems like a very cool metaphor to me!

It's like your awakening subconscious multi-orgasmic
response capability is calling you -- person-to-person!

Please keep in mind that the area of your tailbone or
perhaps more accurately, the base of your spine, is
potentially a tremendous source of orgasmic energy.

This is also addressed in the Tantric traditions.

As the multi-orgasmic response begins to awaken, many
people report feeling tingles at the base of their
spine.

Andrea, I would consider that to be a confirmation of
the meaning of the cell phone metaphor!

Please remember that the Echo Effects are your primary
guide -- your primary teacher or guru -- in this
practice. Here, they seem to be sending you a message
that your multi-orgasmic response is beginning to
awaken!

Based on your past experiences, you of course may tend
to interpret both of these experiences as negative.

However, in the context of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger
Protocol(tm), please remember where I and others have
mentioned that in the beginning, the Echo Effect
phenomenon often is not yet particularly erotic nor
even pleasurable.

Re: the experience's actually feeling rather startling,
I would say that that is a mild manifestation of what
we refer to as Terror at the Gates.

By this I mean a certain -- in this instance -- mild
feeling of Oh my gosh what's happening to me?

Usually, just recognizing this road sign along your
journey of multi-orgasmic self-discovery helps you feel
more comfortable about what's beginning to happen...

However, if the feelings continue to trouble you, then
I recommend you take a little break from practice,
until you feel OK about continuing again.

If after doing so you nevertheless continue to feel
troubled by these feelings, then by all means, just
pause the practice, and I recommend that you seek some
professional counseling assistance... to help you
explore whether or not you may have some unresolved
emotional issues regarding feeling more fully sexual.

I will be happy to assist you in finding someone who
has proper qualifications and specific training for
dealing with sexually related issues.

That said, troubling feelings such as this, although
initially perceived as a negative, may also be framed
as an opportunity for gaining further self-knowledge
and emotional healing.

That's great! It sounds like the startle response that
you experienced was fairly mild and is not inhibiting
you from continuing your practice comfortably.

I can certainly understand your desire to move things
along...

I would also like to invite you to alter your practice
somewhat so that at least for one session per week, you
come back to the Protocol as I detail in the PDF, and
to practice just for 20 minutes per day.

And instead of resorting to fantasy to try to increase
the Echo Effects, you simply pay closer attention to
what is actually happening in your body without
resorting to fantasy, which in a way may be taking you
somewhat out of your body.

Mind you, I'm not saying you must follow this procedure
rigidly all the time... I'm merely suggesting that at
least for one session per week, you follow the Protocol
more closely, just to give yourself a basis for
comparison.

Here likewise, I would recommend that at least some of the times that you ejaculate, you do not do so on the same day that you practice the Protocol, but rather wait until the next day to do so... just to learn what might happen for you.

That's good information for you... Many times, the way these Echo Effects appear are indeed counterintuitive for our conscious mind.

Thank you very much for your post, and for continuing your practice... I hope my comments are helpful for you, and I look forward to your next report.

Wishing you all the very best in life has to offer,
Jack

Hi Andrea, I really apologize for wiping out your original post this time, I accidentally did an Edit rather than a reply, but I did (fortunately!) quote your comments in full, and responded to them.

I invite you and all readers to please refer to the post in this thread that appears just prior to this one, for Andrea's statements and my detailed reply of 20070825.

Best regards,
Jack

Hi Andrea and Jack!

>......also I ejaculate about once a week, and I sometimes find that the echo effects can be stronger than usual about 24 hours after
ejaculating.<

>anyone know anything about this?<

Yes - I do!

An ejaculative experience terminating a good mature KSMO session can, I find, and as some people have already intimated, be a phenomenal and unprecedented experience. But as one of these usually leaves me in a moderately exhausted state I don't go for one of those on a regular basis - maybe once each week.

But I find, on recovery, and fairly consistently, that the next day's KSMO session can be considerably enhanced in intensity and sweetness. Several of my gateways have presented themselves to me on such occasions. The same goes for my occasional Aneros sessions which I sometimes practice whenever I have more than the usual hour available. The next day's KSMO session can be really wild.

But don't think of incorporating any of what I do into your KSMO training. I'm now, after three years, able to freely roam anywhere I like.

BTW, the cellphone metaphor is hilarious, LOL! I'm constantly being woken up during my nights' sleep by the little blighter!

Mog

Thanks for the input guys!

to clear things up a bit my experience was not anywhere near being scary or disturbing enough for me to stop practicing. It was more of a "what the heck is going on" feeling then a frightening one

I just remembered some questions that I have

first off when doing genital stimulation it is going to to be done while breathing in and the keysound is done when exhaling on the same breath if I am correct. Now my question is what if it takes a longer period of time to complete the genital stimulation then it does to inhale? should I continue to stimulate while exhaling and wait for the next exhalation on the next breath to do the keysound?

You're very welcome, and thanks for continuing to post. By doing so, you not only help yourself, you are helping many others - many whom you'll never even realize, as very many people read these posts and learn from them without ever posting their own comments.

Great! Thanks for clarifying that...

...and that's always a very good question to ask - of yourself and of us here in the Forum and chats... There is much to learn from these subtle (and some, more dramatic!) signals, clues, sensations, and emotions that your awakening multiorgasmic response system is sending to your conscious awareness.

Excellent! There are none too _____ (fill in the blank), not to be asked here!

As you continue your practice, I encourage you to read through the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update pdf every so often... It will probably continue to make more and more sense to you during your practice.

It's good to review it as a baseline to which you may return from time to time - as I've mentioned before - as a basis for comparison.

It's not canon law, but a guideline from you are free to venture and then compare the results. Your own awakening multiorgasmic response manifested through the Echo Effects and emotions are your primary guide.

RE: how to combine stimulation, Key Sound, and breathing...

The breathing will take care of itself... automatically... you don't need to be concerned about that - except to remind yourself to continue to relax, including your thinking as well as your whole body, and to use your unforced breathing to help you do that.

As for the Key Sound - use a gentle, unforced Key Sound right after you do the single touch or caress of any pleasurable area of your body - genital or otherwise. Any pleasurable area - bit it the tip of your nose, an ear lobe... really anywhere that feels comfortable and pleasurable... is just fine.

Of course as you are doing this Key Sound, you are already exhaling to do so - it's automatic!

Then just pause your touch - while remaining in contact with the pleasurable area if you like - and follow your Key Sound in a relaxed, unhurried manner with two to four gentle relaxing breaths... notice yourself relaxing... notice any areas that may be starting to tense up and relax them...

After two to four of those relaxing breaths, then repeat... a single touch or caress of any pleasurable area - pause the caress - gentle Key Sound - relaxing breaths - repeat... for about 20 minutes.

That's really all there is to it! Your awakening innate (inborn!) multiorgasmic response will do the rest - at a pace your deep body wisdom knows is just right for you.

I'm not sure what you mean by completing the genital stimulation, as the Protocol is just a single, gentle caress... it takes just a moment... it's not a repetitive or continuous stimulation.

You don't need to use more stimulation to get a better effect as our collective cultural conditioning might try to convince you. That's a very common rationalization, but it's not the case. It's not necessary. Let your body's deeper wisdom guide the pace for you, rather than thoughts such as I should be feeling more by now etc.

This is not a competitive race with other practitioners, nor with any little voices in you that are trying to convince you otherwise.

It's about continuing to develop an ever-more trusting, intimate relationship with your own awakening deep responses.

Nope. A single touch or a single caress... Just one single stroke... very subtle - just enough to begin to feel it. The correctly articulated Key Sound and the automatically timed relaxing breathing will take care of the rest.

Enjoy!
Jack

Thanks Jack!

Things are crystal clear now

You're quite welcome, Andrea.

Please continue to keep us posted as your progress continues...

All the best,
Jack