From the Ministry of Chill ;-)


>snip<
>...please remember that if at any time these awakening Echo Effects
feel unpleasant to you, be sure to pause all practice and concentrate
on activities that will help you relax, and ground yourself
aka Earth the Power aka Come back to Earth.<

Yes Jack, I have found it is possible to experience minor discomfort at this level. The energy can be so high but the body might not be ready for it. For me, the symptoms may occur from pins and needles to achiness.

I've found that completely different activities do help, from watching tv, cooking, gentle gardening.

>snip<
>And... Congratulations on your tremendous progress!<


TY! It IS tremendous!

Re-reading Hlaser99's reply, I luckily don't suffer from vertigo, however, I'm wondering whether the key sound is maybe resonating into my head and affecting my sense of balance. I do get a corresponding head cavity vibration when my Key Sound is at its lowest.

Afrter tonight's chat, I'm going to take a few days break from the routine to consolidate my progress.

BTW, reading a recent post of mine, I cannot believe the level of self control around ejaculation I have attained. I casually remarked that I moved back from a PONR... Progress indeed!


All the very best to you all, more soon!



'Z'

Well, I started the program having the pdf file and downloaded the sample KS and currently waiting for the main CD to arrive.

I had been meditating for some time now anyway and some of the values revealed to me were 'acceptance' and 'surrender'. Which fits perfectly with the protocol so well. I also noticed that on some breath expirations that my body would shift/lift and I would break out into a chuckle or a smile. If anything, I would try and suppress this 'internal inflation'. How ironic is this?

My first session was as follows; I was not erect and the first touch brought forward those familiar sensations of an erotic surge into my head like a direct connection. I also felt a slow wave-like pattern from head to toe, like being in a boat. Strange. ...right towards the end of the session, I managed to find the key sound eventually but decided to stop (on-protocol).

My second session started in the same way but I managed to find the key sound much quicker and got the same feelings back, I realised that a lot of these feelings are quite subtle and started to pay attention to them. During this session, both feet got pleasantly 'hot' with a feeling like dipping them in warm fizzy soda...??? then in my right hand - quite localised. For some reason this session was shorter, I tried to increase stimulation a little and my body tell me it had enough - and I was probably drifting off protocol.


The next day I had a conventional masturbation session and was astonished by the intensity of orgasm. I 'WAS' a once-a-day man, and this behaviour appeared to me to be a diminshing return from continual stimulation this way.
I think my body had welcomed a rest from this treatment and also the defocusing of my mind away from 'just' the penis sensation helped.

My third session was quite similar again, (no erection as such) but I paid more attention to the sensations away from the 'main event', It really helped to relax. Little tics and the in-the-boat floaty erotic feelings again. This time I felt different erotic feelings also between my penis and the small of my back, I'd never felt these feelings this far up before.

My next day off is the REAL Surprise. (Less than a week after starting), I went to bed this night and relaxed. Spontaneously, without any stim. I began to have feelings as I began to explore internally with my mind, tingles between my penis and the small of my back, warmth in varous places and spasmodic pulses of aching pleasure in my torso muscles which seemed to coincide with my breathing, one couldn't help but sigh... but I didn't make a key sound as such, just letting my body find its own path. I seemed to make momentary erotic connections to my mind.. All this and no stim!!! amazing! I lost track of time, eventually fell asleep. When I woke this morning (9 Feb) I felt so GROUNDED...


So I guess having these early signs is very encouraging. I put my experiences down to Jack's specific suggestions of; LETTING/ALLOWING it to happen, relaxing, exploring and enjoying the trip!
I think also, to not let go of the basics. I read the pdf file before starting each session without accepting familiarity. I found reading these forums very useful, to guage where I am and also where I'm headed.

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I had my few days off and am now back on the path.

I've had an odd time. Strange emotions have come up that are normally not part of my repetoire; anger, guilt etc. (and luckily no-one else was around) Reflecting on this, I think I know why. I had some psychotherapy years ago and thought I had resolved many issues.

Recently I had investigated Emotion Freedom Techniques (EFT) which arose out of Thought Field Therapy (TFT). Basically these are meridian based therapies using the same points as acupuncture without the 'inconvenience' of all those needles. As an experiment, I indulged in a series of sequences of tapping the meridian points whilst thinking of some of the issues I haD. (sic) To my amazement, I broke down in tears and sadness over one particular issue. So I initiated more tapping sequences until there was no more response to the issue. I did check a few more of the big issues but with no more response. I now plan to do a full audit of my life of all the life events to see if anything else manifests.

(any serious reactions, then I'll seek help)

The EFT site is here

However, as a result of this clearing/revealing of emotions I had a KSMO practice session that was, to put it mildly; 'action-packed'.

On the FIRST inbreath of the key sound the undulating waves and trembling started and continued throughout. The key sound resonated throughout my body so my body was and felt 'open' - it seemed as if I could sense an internal field much more clearly 'inside'.
One of the ongoing effects is the jolt, similar to a faulty lift/elevator which stops too short before lowering to the correct position. This is coupled to another effect which is like being in turbulence on a plane, constantly shifting position within one's own (physical) body with only a little internal dialogue; 'what on earth will happen next??'

As I continued to use my breath and key sound 'in concert', I could sense echo effects in most of my limbs and body as well as a growing deepness of those effects, bunches or music-like chords of echos happened simultaneously and the intensity seemed to change position depending on the breath or key sound made. This felt like the intense feelings in ones penis also being felt in other areas of the body, sometimes at the same time, sometimes feeling stronger in the limb/torso than the penis.

I completely lost track of time until I had discovered that almost an hour had elapsed. I did not feel compelled to 'go for it' in spite of the high levels of energy and simply warmed down.

Even as I now write this, sixteen hours later, Echo effects happen as I remember the experience...

I'll put that session down as a success then!


More soon!



'Z'

I continue to feel a set of sensations that has started since my recommencement of practise after my short break.

These sensations are present most of the time. It is not concerning me or feels unpleasant in any way.

The feeling is like the turbulence I described earlier, my body undergoes subtle shifts and little shiver-like movements almost like observing my body going about its daily business of living. Once in a while I experience the odd echo effect and waves spontaneously. It feels like the waves and echo effects are bubbling just under the surface and it wouldn't take much to make things happen! Just breathing sometimes brings on echo effects of various magnitudes.

Maybe it is me just recognising the ongoing viceral processes I hadn't really noticed or been sensitive to from before, or a more conscious sensing of a period of reconfiguring/re-awakeing going on AT SOME LEVEL?

Or is something gonna blow? (run for the hills!)


I'll keep you posted

:-)


Z

All of the above, Z!

Yes, I really think what you're experiencing is your innate multiorgasmic response
continuing to awaken after (fill in your age) years of slumber.

Hi Zeit,

I always watch for your posts with interest and sympathy. (Been somewhat self-fixated recently...). I've had a history of vertigo, though nothing really severe for quite a while. (I tend to live a lot in my head, I'm a composer). I have noticed - especially these last 3 weeks when I've been very tuned in sexually - that I sometimes have a hot head, disorientation, sometimes a bit of staggering. (Fresh Mid-Western air helps, after all the prevailing air-conditioning). I keep a check on my breathing, following a session, excercising the whole diaphragm. Also, I sense that I am kind of 'live' throughout my body, possibly to excess -'hyper-aesthesia'?? - and for that reason I am going to give myself a little fast. It doesn't sound as though a break has done you any harm at all!

Good luck, mate -

TANTROS

Hi Tantros!

I'd like to say firstly that I'm humbled to have reached the milestone of 2500 views of these series of posts...

Snip
>I always watch for your posts with interest and sympathy.
> (Been somewhat self-fixated recently...).
> I've had a history of vertigo, though nothing really severe for quite a while.
>

I'm sorry to hear that but glad to know its ok at the moment...

>(I tend to live a lot in my head, I'm a composer).

Believe me, I think most of us do!

>...these last 3 weeks when I've been very tuned in sexually... I sometimes have a hot head, disorientation,
> sometimes a bit of staggering. (Fresh Mid-Western air helps, after all the prevailing air-conditioning).
>
I'm sorry to hear that...


>I keep a check on my breathing, following a session, excercising the whole diaphragm.

That is GOOD Tantros, especially downwards as if into the legs and feet for the protocol... I've found that breathing like that can bring on the waves without the key sound...


>Also, I sense that I am kind of 'live'
>throughout my body, possibly to excess ->'hyper-aesthesia'?? -

Not necessarily so, that liveness may be your increasing awareness of what's happening in your body - I've noticed that Aneros users have a hightened sensitivity compared to non-users such as myself. Maybe you will surprise yourself with your progress although this is with the caveat that your body is ready - maybe you will find MO before me!

That said, if you are concerned about any specific feelings, I advise you to visit a medical practitioner to make sure everything is ok.


>and for that reason I am going to give
>myself a little fast. It doesn't sound as
> though a break has done you any harm at all!

Hey enjoy any small break Tantros, I've really found a break does ramp up progress in so many surprising ways. You'll find out!

Don't be too surprised by the paradoxical effects of a rest.

I had a regular handy session today, I've found a quickie does not disturb the energy building pattern of KSMO practice.

I found after the Ej+O, I continued to breathe fully and downwards and enjoyed some massive waves that felt I was actually moving in waves physically with some sweet orgsmic aftershocks disguised as echo effects in my limbs.

>Good luck, mate -
AND to you, 'T'

ALL the best!

'Z'

Also documented on OrgasmWiki

Hi Z.
>
>I'd like to say firstly that
>I'm humbled to have reached
>the milestone of 2500 views of
>these series of posts...
>
I'm not surprised! What attracts me and inspires me - and I guess others - is the sanguine attitude you bring to checks and placid passages: I don't flap anything like I used to! (I'm actually using you as a kind of pace-maker).

>especially downwards as if
>into the legs and feet for the
>protocol... I've found that
>breathing like that can bring
>on the waves without the key
>sound...
>
Me too.

>I've
>noticed that Aneros users have
>a hightened sensitivity
>compared to non-users such as
>myself. Maybe you will
>surprise yourself with your
>progress although this is with
>the caveat that your body is
>ready - maybe you will find MO
>before me!
>

'Whenever...'. NO contest!! I usually only use Aneros for high days and holidays. (The last weeks in USA have been exceptional). Back to a more restricted life now; and maybe a situation in which I may be more likely to be 'surprised by joy'.


>I had a regular handy session
>today, I've found a quickie
>does not disturb the energy
>building pattern of KSMO
>practice.
>
>I found after the Ej+O, I
>continued to breathe fully and
>downwards and enjoyed some
>massive waves that felt I was
>actually moving in waves
>physically with some sweet
>orgsmic aftershocks disguised
>as echo effects in my limbs.

Snap!

Now I must get my nerd-ish head around Wiki..

All the best - TANTROS

Hi Tantros!

Welcome back!

snip - >'Whenever...'. NO contest!!<

Sure, no competition was intended. :-) I wanted to ensure you were not under the impression that one's development and indeed one's starting place need necessarily be at the same stage. However, I reckon that reading posts like these and others with the empathy circuits fully open, accelerates progress! :-D

For me, I was drawing from the reserve 'energy' tank for years, emptying on a daily basis so the reserve tank never had a chance to fill - let alone the MAIN tank. :-o

Your attitude tho' is spot on; You're doing GREAT!



This really _is_ a strange and mysterious phase! Over the last couple of sessions of KS practice, I've had a momentary full body feeling of pleasure that 'flashed' like a camera bulb. During the KS practice two days ago, I began to have a feeling low down in the torso which grew in size until it filled my body, a very intense feeling - one of the constituents of sexual experiences - it equates to 'sore' comparing to pain terms (if that means anything to anyone else) that reached a peak then levelled off. At the same time the waves filled me and seemed to dominate in one single wave pattern, the waves felt almost physical - yet it wasn't exactly a 'full' orgasmic peak experience. Maybe a large part of it? But it WAS a unified body response. Yesterday, another KS practice yet this time, similar low level signals but no repeat of the experience. Confusing!?!? well, to my concious mind anyway! We'll see...

Has anyone else got an unconcious mind with its own agenda?

As human experience and particularly men's experience is limited in the labelling of each sexual distinction, I seem to have experienced five main types or categories of sexual feelings. I provisionally catalogue the types here. As there is no apparent 'label' yet given to these, I make a simile/metaphor with those of pain for each type.
I accept that in reality, there may well be an infinite shade of feeling but its useful to signpost what may be felt at this stage.


1. Waves that feel like a pulse and effects the whole body. Brought on by breathing down deep/valley breathing, during initial thoughts to the end of a session.
2. 'Ache'; a light _lingering_ feeling - similar to feelings felt in the penis during erection.
3. 'Electric'; a specific _lingering_ feeling felt on the surface skin - particularly around the perineum and base of the penis.
4. 'Stabbing'/Sharp'; an intense _momentary_ feeling like those felt in the penis close to/at orgasm.
5. 'Sore'; a deep 'core' feeling, _persistent_ and maybe similar to that when a partner overstimulates and feels a bit too much.

I haven't mentioned Echo effects as the INITIAL tingling/fizzing in the limbs or torso may develop into ANY of the above.

Sometimes a location can be attributed to a feeling although there are a few occasions when one feels it without location - an experience of mind.

What's on YOUR mind? :-)


BTW, I've found that if I have an deep emotional experience - furball or otherwise, its best to wait a day to let the mind integrate those important changes before continuing KSMO practice. :-)



Timely; just before my last KS session, there was the most beautiful sunset which really moved me...


more soon!


'Z'

Posted also here: Zeitgeist's Wiki Blog

I had full-bodied sex last night!

Well, although it was short of a FBO, I'm not complaining! :-)

All through yesterday my body kept feeding me the most delightful echo effects of various shades (spasms, aches, stabs, deep core feelings) until I 'relented' late last night to a KS protocol session brought about by their urgency.

The waves were evident before I began the session. So I relaxed as much as I could and began a series of key sounds. It sounded and felt as much as it ever did recently (calibration), however, the echo effects that began to appear were the sweetest, most delicious feelings that began to spread all over my body and at some point ( Apologies, I wasn't able to concentrate on the bedside clock closeby, I was somewhat 'diverted'), my whole body began to glow with 'that' most delightful and beautiful intense ache which began and continued to permeate my whole writhing body and mind. As the tears flowed; I breathed and Key'ed in a sort of synchronism. I continued to luxuriate in those full bodied, estatic, feelings for some considerable time...

...until I decided at some point that it would be a good time and ecological to warm down and go to sleep.

This is a really significant point; a step change in my ongoing progress.


Today, I'm allowing my body to rest and recharge.




(Phew!)



'Z'

Also posted also here: Zeitgeist's Wiki Blog