Zeitgeist... congratulations and HUGSSS to you too. My urges for daily manual stimulation orgams has subsided as well. I still occasssionally do one to two a month but am happy/estatic with the KSMO heartgasms and sacred orgasms I now am blessed with.

Thank you!

With Love, Light and from my Joyously singing heart,
Laly

Thank you Laly let me hold your hand and say 'thank you' :-) {squeezes}

Lots of progress is being made. The echo effects have gone from fizzing-touchy-scratchy to tickly/tingling to start with - to full orgasmic feelings in parts of my body especially when I'm highly aroused. I can now stand this higher level of 'charge' which I can differentiate from 'prostate' derived feelings. My perineal area feels really 'full' of arousal (and very sensitive to touch) yet the prostate feels much less active. It feels more 'electric' than having that fullness of fluid within. It's difficult to describe this 'inversion' of feelings.

The last few sessions I have discovered a second plateau of feeling above the normal 'textbook' plateau - With sensations similar to that feeling when you know will lead to ejeculation - highly intense 'pure' feelings of sexual energy - a central core of sexual feeling.

During my last practice, I didn't know how close I was to full orgasm whilst on this plateau. I could only stand that ecstacy feeling for about ten minutes before I decided to surrender and with just four full strokes to ejaculation - even though a smaller amount of liquid expressed than usual.

Looking back, I'm amazed I could hold that intensity for so long. However, I know that I wasn't dissipating enough sexual energy into the sound and breath and maybe needed to express the key sound more fully and maybe more loudly at that level of excitement. In the heat of the moment I'm afraid my control goes a little more free!

Anyway, a bonus to me was that immediately after the E+O, I continued to breathe through to my stomach and I found I could continue to experience orgasmic feelings on the crest of each breath for as long as I could keep up the breathing pattern. After about 3 minutes at the risk of hyperventilating I stopped!

I'll repeat the implications of that last statement; My orgasmic feelings LASTED FOR OVER THREE MINUTES through breathing alone AFTER Ejaculation.


more soon!

Z

WHOA Z man!!

HUGSS to you and yes -- do KS as loudly as possible -
especially at the peak hon :-).

At times i got so aroused that I could barely squeak
let alone roar-- i would whimper and moan and cry more
than roar.

Congrats on the new experiences!!

With Love, Light, and a Joyous singing heart...Have a blessed day!
Laly

>Thank you Laly let me hold
>your hand and say 'thank you'
>:-) {squeezes}
>

Laly and Zeitgeist,
I really appreciate the caring, sensitive
way you are supporting each other
and the others in the Forum.

Thanks very much to both of you.

Zeit, when you wrote:
>Lots of progress is being
>made. The echo effects have
>gone from
>fizzing-touchy-scratchy to
>tickly/tingling to start with
>- to full orgasmic feelings in
>parts of my body especially
>when I'm highly aroused.

All Right!!! More gateways opening...

Happy Re-Birthday!!! :-)

> I can
>now stand this higher level of
>'charge' which I can
>differentiate from 'prostate'
>derived feelings.

Yeah that's where the Key Sound serves the additional function
of giving you somewhere to go with that building, besides ejaculation.

For all readers who practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol:

As your feelings of arousal increase further and further,
just keep sending that energy into
the next Key Sound.

Without forcing, but when possible, do allow the Key Sound to increase
in volume (without forcing it louder),
to allow the increasing energy to keep flowing.

If one tries to just tolerate the building charge without
using the Key Sound and breath in this way, there's a great
tendency to lapse into a kind of holding or tensing pattern
that actually can block the flow of the energy through
your system.

That kind of tensing at the higher charge levels may
of course tend to trigger ejaculation as well.


>My perineal
>area feels really 'full' of
>arousal (and very sensitive to
>touch) yet the prostate feels
>much less active. It feels
>more 'electric' than having
>that fullness of fluid within.

Those are very helpful and detailed descriptions
of your experience. They will definitely help people recognize
when this may happen for them, and that it's part of the practice and benefits.

>It's difficult to describe
>this 'inversion' of feelings.

Very understandably! :-)

>The last few sessions I have
>discovered a second plateau of
>feeling above the normal
>'textbook' plateau - With
>sensations similar to that
>feeling when you know will
>lead to ejeculation - highly
>intense 'pure' feelings of
>sexual energy - a central core
>of sexual feeling.

Very cool! I hope you'll continue to share
more details of this
new zone of experience... to help us refine the map, as it were. :-)

>During my last practice, I
>didn't know how close I was to
>full orgasm whilst on this
>plateau. I could only stand
>that ecstacy feeling for
>about ten minutes before I
>decided to surrender and with
>just four full strokes to
>ejaculation - even though a
>smaller amount of liquid
>expressed than usual.

Very understandably!

I'll be very interested to hear how using the Key Sound to
express that ecstasy feeling...

More or less... I recommend you explore what you may discover
by concentrating on just sending all of that ecstasy into that
next Key Sound.

Then maybe add an extra relaxing breath or two, then once
again all of that building energy and ecstasy expressed OUT
through your Key Sound.

>Looking back, I'm amazed I
>could hold that intensity for
>so long. However, I know that
>I wasn't dissipating enough
>sexual energy into the sound
>and breath

Actually I recommend you replace the term dissipating with redirecting
that energy into the Key Sound.

Don't assume that the effect of that will be to dissipate the energy!

In fact, there's a good chance that it will nudge it higher!

Of course one should never force yourself to higher levels if
there is any physical discomfort or risk (e.g. if you
have respiratory issues or other medical issues, in
which case you should of course most definitely
consult with your physician).

That said, you are on a GREAT threshold!

>and maybe needed to
>express the key sound more
>fully and maybe more loudly at
>that level of excitement.

Yes! Without forcing or straining.

There's a very good chance that at least
some of the
times you do, yet another new energy gate
is likely to open for you!

>In the heat of the moment I'm
>afraid my control goes a
>little more free!

That's very natural! :-)

It's ALL learning...

If you DO feel like you're in a zone where you are needing
to control feelings, the urge to increase
stimulation, etc.,
that is a signal to REDIRECT that energy into the Key Sound!

>Anyway, a bonus to me was that
>immediately after the E+O, I
>continued to breathe through
>to my stomach

VERY GOOD STRATEGY!!! READERS PLEASE NOTE THIS IMPORTANT TIP!!!

>and I found I
>could continue to experience
>orgasmic feelings on the crest
>of each breath for as long as
>I could keep up the breathing
>pattern.

Readers please note what zeitgeist said here!

THREE MINUTES of continuing orgasmic waves AFTER ejaculation!

>After about 3
>minutes at the risk of
>hyperventilating I stopped!

VERY PRUDENT!!!

Please consider that if you are feeling at risk of
hyperventilating, it's probably due to delaying the redirection
of energy into
and out through the Key Sound.

>I'll repeat the implications
>of that last statement; My
>orgasmic feelings LASTED FOR
>OVER THREE MINUTES through
>breathing alone AFTER
>Ejaculation.

Shout it from the mountain tops Brother! :-)
>
>more soon!
>
>Z

No doubt!

And thanks very much Z for this great, detailed report.

Wishing you ALL and I do mean ALL the best that life has to offer.

Jack

Jack, I want to thank you for the personal feedback and the coaching... :-))

snip

>...
As your feelings of arousal increase further and further, just keep sending that energy into the next Key Sound without forcing, but when possible, do allow the Key Sound to increase in volume (without forcing it louder), to allow the increasing energy to keep flowing...

I hear you, this is *VERY* useful to know this... not too small, not too much...


Snip

> If one tries to just tolerate the building charge without using the Key Sound and breath in this way, there's a great tendency to lapse into a kind of holding or tensing pattern that actually can block the flow of the energy through your system. That kind of tensing at the higher charge levels may
of course tend to trigger ejaculation as well...<

That was EXACTLY what was happening. In one way, 'holding' was like when one does not want to 'let' the good feelings go...

or

the tension builds up so much that one wants to release it by starting conventional stimulation but with a conflict to hold back on that more stimulation and a sort of 'back pressure' builds up...




snip

> ...Very cool! I hope you'll continue to share more details of this new zone of experience... to help us refine the map, as it were. :-) <

natürlich! :-)


snip

>... just sending all of that ecstasy into that next Key Sound. Then maybe add an extra relaxing breath or two, then once again all of that building energy and ecstasy expressed OUT through your Key Sound...<

Just reading this post sent my body into a new 'state' Somehow I think it knew what this meant. In fact, I got these same feelings back on my next practice...

Snip

>...Actually I recommend you replace the term dissipating with redirecting
that energy into the Key Sound... there's a good chance that it will nudge it higher!<

I HEAR YOU LOUD AND CLEAR!


Snip

>That said, you are on a GREAT threshold!
There's a very good chance that at least
some of the times you do, yet another new energy gate is likely to open for you!<


Just reading this whole post ramped up feelings I never encountered before and continued in the next KSMO session! Somehow the viceral wisdom within recognised what was.


During the next session, I increased the intensity of the sound at what seemed appropriate moments and in a way fitted the level of charge. I definitely had bigger increases of energy swirling about and within my body and the pulse in me was more like long waves running through me, I felt much more blissful/tearful/dizzy/trembly/high/dissassociated (all in a NICE way!) - similar to being drunk - all I can say is PHEW!!

In fact, more energy WAS REDIRECTED into the sound ;-) and I felt less 'needing to ejaculate' or over-charged with tension. Nevertheless, I'd felt I'd accumulated a higher charge of feeling in a 'bigger storge space' (makes sense?) I got to a place where I stopped the protocol quite naturally (without orgasm this time) and came down from there... WOW! quite an experience!


snip

>Please consider that if you are feeling at risk of hyperventilating, it's probably due to delaying the redirection of energy into
and out through the Key Sound.<

Probably. In context, I was breathing normally up to ejaculation. At E+O, I was so surprised at the results, naturally at that time I wanted to continue to see where it went, so changed to a deeper breathing pattern. I probably NEEDN'T have breathed so deeply and would recommend anyone else against doing so. Just send the breath down as I described before and as Jack recommends, continue to use the key sound appropriately.
However, it was a good physical experience to change any limiting beliefs about so-called limitations on orgasm!! :-)



There's a storm brewin' :-))


Thanks again Jack ...and more soon!


Z

Well, I was right; There was a storm brewing but not the one I expected! (or was it??)

I was enjoying the heightened energies that followed my coaching. As ususal, my session started with a gentle series of key sounds then the same with little stimulation and before long I was immersed in higher energy feelings than I had before culminating quickly into an emotional state which led into a *significant* undefined furball with lots of tears and wailing.

What it was about - I don't know for sure but asking my unconcious led to possibilities relating to experiences earlier in my life.

So I've have a few days off from practice to reflect and restore the equilibrium within - without too much rationalising.


Please be reassured; I see this as personal development and a resolution in some way toward a maturing of the authentic self.

My last two KS practices have been really significant advances. My body indicated that it was ready for a session. The signals for this are not by way of erection but a definite fullness of the perinieum, as an ache or bloating.

The last clearing furball has led me to feel my 'body energy' field as a single unified field during the sessions. Before this, I wasn't really aware of such a field, maybe because it was fragmented. Now I can understand now how EFT and related therapies may work.

The last practice was started by a single key sound whereupon I IMMEDIATELY began to shake with tremors and the usual pulses or waves. The energy behind this fullness grew in intensity to almost unbearable levels with my breathing becoming affected (in a good way!) With Jack's advice in mind I began more louder key sounds sounding at a more appropriate level for the level of energy, which redirected this energy into the rest of my body. It was interesting to notice the resonance 'roll' or flip during the key sound from the middle of my torso to a position lower down and this resonance 'appeared' or mirrored in my feet, arms etc.

I was immersed in these *INTENSE* feelings for some (unrecorded) time. It was extremely pleasurable yet for most of the time I had NO erection. After a while, I decided to end the practice and it took the rest of the evening to return to my normal state. Phew! :-p

These levels of pleasure were as high as some ejaculation energy levels and almost as high as some meditative states. Yet unlike any other sexual experience I've had before - Fantastic!

I'm certainly full of awe and wonder as to what may happen NEXT! <8~O



I'd like to elaborate and modify thoughts I wrote in a previous post; I described feelings which separated out ejaculation ond orgasmic feelings and I feel it is worth explaining further in the light of my recent experience:

During conventional sex, at ejaculation with orgasm, one gets many good feelings and it can be difficult to realise that some feelingS are attached to two DIFFERENT processes which are happening simultaneously.

1. Ejaculation. Feelings from the prostate gland are significant when aroused and it feels sexual in its own way. That localised feeling when one knows a climax is likely may well be linked linked directly to this gland... not the withdrawing contractions but that sweet spot in the lower torso that begins to rise in intensity - THIS appears to be what is linked to the point of no return (PONR) and is best avoided - In my current thinking - by the redirection of this increasing engergy into sound and breath as described by Jack.

2. Orgasm. I believe that the orgasmic energy feels more like an 'electric' charge via aches, hotspots Echo effects etc. spasms, waves/pulses and its these feelings one is focusing upon in KSMO practice.


As an analogy I'd like to draw; There are two types of Doughnut one can enjoy here in the UK; one is sphere-shaped and has a dollop of strawberry jam/jelly in the middle. The other is a ring, sometimes halved which can be filled with cream.

Now imagine combining the two by putting the globe into the middle of the ring and eating the two together This is analogous to Ejaculation WITH Orgasm.

The subject of our practice appears to separate out the two experiences. To focus upon the ring doughnut - particularly the cream in between the two halves of the ring doughnut - to have much as we can and want to eat - Orgasm - while the jam (Ejaculate) right in the centre doughnut remains. The ring doughnut sponge is analogous to the aches, tweaks and other echo effects as a signal for the surrounding orgasmic energy felt in the genitals and later in the full body. The sponge in the sphere doughnut is the erection feelings which are nice, yet are not needed for orgasm.

It is my understanding that one needs only concentrate on the equivalent of the ring doughnut for rising MO feelings while enjoying looking at the spherical doughnut!

I hope this analogy proves useful. Tea and buns anyone? ;-)

As ever, more soon!


'Z'

...a short p.s...

Jack mentions that at this level of energy, louder key sounds can be introduced to redirect the energy into the rest of the body but without forcing .

To underline this point I'd like to give an idea of what it feels like to mismatch these energy levels. I experimented with louder key sounds including just one that felt a little too loud. I felt, in return a sensation of hotspots similar to pins and needles that were just a little bit uncomfortable.

So my lesson was; to trust my body to 'know' the level of the key sound naturally and not to force it, to gently allow it to rise naturally.

One positive learning is, that I have reappraised my progress - where I am - and to continue to enjoy the ongoing journey!



More soon!


Z

Thanks very much Zeit for re-emphasizing
from your personal experience this very important tip
about the importance of not forcing louder Key Sounds
in hopes of getting stronger Echo Effects, and your contrasting this
with the benefits of nevertheless getting better and better
at allowing the Key Sounds to
increase in volume on their own as you allow your increasing
arousal to flow out through them.

One other very important observation:

Your report also demonstrates your increasing ability of
self-calibration of your practice!

It seems to me that you are correctly interpreting those automatic responses aka Echo Effects by:[*]checking out your level of comfort or
discomfort with them[*]and fine tuning your practice accordingly...[*]and then self-validating that adjustment in practice by:[*]noting the return to experiencing more positive feeling
Echo Effects as a result of that adjustment.

Well done Zeit! I sincerely hope you'll keep posting these lucid,
informative, and inspiring reports!

Wishing you the very best as your Adventure continues!
Jack

>snip<
>........... I sincerely
>hope you'll keep posting these
>lucid,
>informative, and inspiring
>reports!

>snip<

TY for your guidance Jack and I will keep posting!


I now realise that my sensitivity does vary from week to week and this week is one of the strong ones! %-p

I have just enjoyed a KS session where the QUALITY of the experience, both physical and mental has got a lot better; The Key sound has become a lot smoother and purer, my breath 'loaded' with expression, my emotions appear more open, the area in my lower torso which resonates to the sound has increased and the quality of the echo effects is much 'sweeter'. After the session I was, 'ahem' surprised at the amount of time past the usual 20 mins I had spent in these delicious feelings. So informative for me to reflect back to the times when I 'needed' a fix of a spasm every day and to compare this to the depth of my recent experiences. I'm still in no hurry to reach the gates...

...and I do know *FOR SURE* I'm on the right path. :')


More as always, very soon!



Z