Hi all,

I recently received the Aneros, sort of my own birthday present to myself. I've used it several times, I think I'm using plenty of lube, and have done the breathing exercises and done the tightening of the muscle. There have been times when I first get going with this that I get some minor orgasmic sensations, but they don't seem to last very long and for the most part I don't feel anything. I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong with this or if there are some other considerations.

I've noticed the last few times I've used it, that when I've taken it out, it seemed I had some gas build up behind it. I'm wondering if that gas build up could be keeping it from working correctly.

However, the worst downside to this seems to be that while it is in, stimulation seems much more reduced, harder to even get it feeling anything, and after I take it out, it seems my body takes most of the day before I can feel like it wants to have orgasmic responses as with MMOs.

So, of late, when I have some time and it might be a good opportunity to use the Aneros, I have a real hard time convincing myself to try it again, but prefer to just use the Key Sound method as I know that works and gives me some good orgasms.

Anyone have any input on this or why it might not be working for me? I suppose there are some guys out there that this simply doesn't work for. Maybe I'm one of them.

Thanks.

Rick

Hi Rick,

I'm certainly no expert in this department, but I hope I can offer some useful tips for you.
I'm not sure why you aren't getting any sensations, or very little anyway, from the Aneros. My only guess is you may need to try different positions in order for it to massage your prostate and produce results. I've read about other men trying everything from lying side-ways, in a fetal position, to squatting, to lying on their backs with their knees up (classic KSMO solo position), etc. Personally, I found none of them effective.
What I do is start with the recommended breathing and sphincter exercises in the side-ways, fetal position, and once that's done, I use the Aneros standing, with penile stimulation. For some reason, standing seems to be the best and only way for the Aneros to massage my prostate and produce prostatic orgasms. I haven't had much success in any other position. But the results I get while standing are more than enough to keep the Aneros part of my regular practice. Perhaps there's a position that would work for you which you haven't yet discovered?

>I've noticed the last few times I've used >it, that when I've taken it out, it seemed >I had some gas build up behind it.

I've had that happen occasionally myself, although not excessively or uncomfortably.

>I'm wondering if that gas build up could be >keeping it from working correctly.

I'm not really sure about that. I suppose it's certainly possible. I do recommend making sure your bowels and bladder are as empty as possible before starting. I find that to be an essential aspect of using the Aneros.

>the worst downside to this seems to be that >while it is in, stimulation seems much more >reduced, harder to even get it feeling >anything,

Could you clarify this part for me? By stimulation, do you mean your prostate or penis, or...?

>and after I take it out, it seems my body >takes most of the day before I can feel >like it wants to have orgasmic responses as >with MMOs.

I usually alternate days when I'm using the Aneros vs. days I'm practicing regular KSMO. I either focus on the prostatic orgasms, or the more energetic orgasms of KSMO. But doing both in one day doesn't generally work for me either.

>I have a real hard time convincing myself >to try it again, but prefer to just use the >Key Sound method

Hey, who can blame ya? Go with what works right? And we all know KSMO works! Although I believe I have managed to, "master," the Aneros, and enjoy the best of what is has to offer me, I don't feel that it's any better or worse than regular KSMO. They're just different on some fundamental levels. For me, the prostatic orgasms are intensely pleasurable, but also strictly, "physical," in nature. My regular KSMO sessions are less intense, but more full-bodied and energetic/emotional. I enjoy both, but I'd take regular KSMO if I could only pick one, no contest! So don't feel like you're, "missing out," if you don't wish to continue with the Aneros.
However, I would say that, it can offer you some new and different pleasures (not to mention it may be very good for your prostate) which might be roughly equal to your KSMO sessions. If you still feel like trying it, my advice is:

1. Keep in mind that it may take some time to get used to. I only use mine every other day for a month or so, and then often go without it for a couple months before using it again. Whenever I start up again, it takes 2 or 3 uses before I really start to get the benefits. So give yourself time to adjust to it.

2. Try some experimentation. There's no real rule book for this. Try positions you haven't before. See if you can become more aware of your prostate depending on how you breathe or move. Feeling for that, "G-spot," may give you an idea of how best to stimulate it.

Well, that's my advice. I hope some of this has been helpful. Believe me, I understand it's not the type of product you just jump in with. It may take a little time and effort to enjoy, and it may not even be worth while for you. I'm sure you know better than anyone what works for you and what doesn't. Either way, you've always got KSMO!

Kindest Regards,

Pan :-)

> From: "Robert" <hpkaat2000@aol.com>
>
> Hi Rick,
>
> I'm certainly no expert in this department, but I hope I can offer some
useful tips for you.
> I'm not sure why you aren't getting any sensations, or very little
anyway, from the Aneros. My only guess is you may need to try different
positions in order for it to massage your prostate and produce results.
I've read about other men trying everything from lying side-ways, in a fetal
position, to squatting, to lying on their backs with their knees up (classic
KSMO solo position), etc. Personally, I found none of them effective.
> What I do is start with the recommended breathing and sphincter
exercises in the side-ways, fetal position, and once that's done, I use the
Aneros standing, with penile stimulation. For some reason, standing seems
to be the best and only way for the Aneros to massage my prostate and
produce prostatic orgasms. I haven't had much success in any other
position. But the results I get while standing are more than enough to keep
the Aneros part of my regular practice. Perhaps there's a position that
would work for you which you haven't yet discovered?
>

Hum, I will have to think, as I think I've tried most, including standing up
and walking around with it, fetal position, on my back with knees up, but I
guess I will just have to experiment with it a bit more to see if there are
other positions that might work better. I'm sure a everyone's prostrate
isn't in the exact same place, and so different positions move the Aneros
around to make contact in different places, and so it is a matter of finding
the position that helps it to make contact for me. I'll have to keep
experimenting.

> >I've noticed the last few times I've used >it, that when I've taken it
out, it seemed >I had some gas build up behind it.
>
> I've had that happen occasionally myself, although not excessively or
uncomfortably.

No, I've generally not been aware of it until I take it out and gas comes
out behind it.

>
> >I'm wondering if that gas build up could be >keeping it from working
correctly.
>
> I'm not really sure about that. I suppose it's certainly possible. I
do recommend making sure your bowels and bladder are as empty as possible
before starting. I find that to be an essential aspect of using the Aneros.
>

Yes, when I've used it is early in the morning, after I've let out whatever
accumulated over the night. I'm thinking that anything built up would be
there for the most part and should be pretty clear at that point. I've also
tried it in the afternoon. However, it has been over a week since I've tried
it. I think in all, I've used it about 5-7 times since I've got it, and have
yet to have success.

However, my "theory" about the gas is that I know one needs plenty of
lubrication to help it, and I was wondering if perhaps the air from the gas
might get in there and screw that up.

> >the worst downside to this seems to be that >while it is in, stimulation
seems much more >reduced, harder to even get it feeling >anything,
>
> Could you clarify this part for me? By stimulation, do you mean your
prostate or penis, or...?

Penis. After being in there a while and not getting much, I've tried using
some stimulation on the penis and don't get a whole lot. Then I would try
giving it plenty of stimulation, and it might get somewhat hard but very
difficult to maintain and not much orgasmic feelings, almost a dampening
affect feels to be going on.

>
> >and after I take it out, it seems my body >takes most of the day before I
can feel >like it wants to have orgasmic responses as >with MMOs.
>
> I usually alternate days when I'm using the Aneros vs. days I'm
practicing regular KSMO. I either focus on the prostatic orgasms, or the
more energetic orgasms of KSMO. But doing both in one day doesn't generally
work for me either.
>

For the first few days, I used it every day, and after three days I thought
maybe the problem was that I was going too much, and reading that many use
it about three times a week. So I reduced how much I was using it, but still
nothing. Then I let a week or two go by before I used it again, and still
not much results. I usually insert and lay in the fetal position on my side
to start out with. It has been about a week since I last used it. But
definitely it seems I cannot do both on one day, so once I've tried again,
seems like I won't be able to do any KSMO's or regular masturbation until
the next day.

> >I have a real hard time convincing myself >to try it again, but prefer to
just use the >Key Sound method
>
> Hey, who can blame ya? Go with what works right? And we all know KSMO
works! Although I believe I have managed to, "master," the Aneros, and
enjoy the best of what is has to offer me, I don't feel that it's any better
or worse than regular KSMO. They're just different on some fundamental
levels. For me, the prostatic orgasms are intensely pleasurable, but also
strictly, "physical," in nature. My regular KSMO sessions are less intense,
but more full-bodied and energetic/emotional. I enjoy both, but I'd take
regular KSMO if I could only pick one, no contest! So don't feel like
you're, "missing out," if you don't wish to continue with the Aneros.

Thanks for the encouragement. I sort of wanted this because it seemed from
what people said that you could just put it in and pretty much it would do
the work and be very pleasurable. Not that KSMO's are that much work, but
lazy guy that I am it would be nice to just put it in, relax except for
squeezing the muscle, and presto! Now, I'm just kind of working myself up to
give it some more tries but letting what happens happen. While this isn't
KSMO and is more physically involved than KSMO is mentally, I'm sure
expectations can potentially get in the way of this as well.

> However, I would say that, it can offer you some new and different
pleasures (not to mention it may be very good for your prostate) which might
be roughly equal to your KSMO sessions. If you still feel like trying it,
my advice is:
>
> 1. Keep in mind that it may take some time to get used to. I only use
mine every other day for a month or so, and then often go without it for a
couple months before using it again. Whenever I start up again, it takes 2
or 3 uses before I really start to get the benefits. So give yourself time
to adjust to it.
>

I know this probably differs for each person, but at what point do you think
I should give up on it?

> 2. Try some experimentation. There's no real rule book for this. Try
positions you haven't before. See if you can become more aware of your
prostate depending on how you breathe or move. Feeling for that, "G-spot,"
may give you an idea of how best to stimulate it.
>

I don't seem to have a real hot G-spot, and that might be part of the
problem with it. I can push around down there and get some sorts of
sensations, but generally nothing really orgasmic in nature, though
sometimes it can cause an erection. However, I will think and try some other
positions that I haven't yet, that seems the most promising. The fact that
usually shortly after I put it in, I do get some slight orgasmic feelings
would indicate to me that I'm not too far off. I just need to figure out how
to build on those instead of it dying out.

> Well, that's my advice. I hope some of this has been helpful. Believe
me, I understand it's not the type of product you just jump in with. It may
take a little time and effort to enjoy, and it may not even be worth while
for you. I'm sure you know better than anyone what works for you and what
doesn't. Either way, you've always got KSMO!
>

Yes, and I've really been enjoying the KSMO of late. Some other factors in
this may be that I've never really done any kind of prostrate stimulation at
all before, at least intentionally (though I've always wondered if the
orgasms I experienced on that bike ride I talked about in one of my earlier
post may have been prostrate type orgasms). So, it could be I am just so
totally unuse to this that it will take a while.

On the other hand, in reference to the "Sensation Methods" thread, I've
always experienced the exact opposite of the full bladder syndrome. It will
deaden my orgasmic feelings and make it hard to cause and/or maintain an
erection. Many times, because I began to feel the need to pee, we've had to
stop in the middle of sex so I could go let it out, so that we could
continue. If I'm not far off, I believe the reason a full bladder in some
men creates more stimulation and arousal is because it puts pressure on the
prostrate. Is that a correct understanding? If so, then it is possible the
stimulation of my prostrate causes an opposite reaction sexually in me. I
just may be odd in that regard and thus the Aneros simply will not work for
me.

Thanks for the advice. I've had it almost a month now, and used it about 7
times or so, so that means it has averaged almost 3 times a week, though in
reality the first week was weighted with most of those, then a week or two
off, then the third week I used it one more time, and haven't since then.
So, I guess maybe try it at least once or twice a week for another month,
attempting different positions and such, and see what happens.

Thanks for the tips.

Rick

>I'm sure a everyone's prostrate
>isn't in the exact same place,

I believe you're right. As far as I know nearly all men's prostates are located 1-3" inside the rectum. Of course, the Aneros is designed to accommodate all types, so I'm still not sure why it's not working for you.

>so it is a matter of finding
>the position that helps it to make contact >for me. I'll have to keep
>experimenting.

That's my best guess too. I hope you'll keep us posted on your progress or lack there of.

>I've generally not been aware of it until I >take it out and gas comes
>out behind it.

I think that's normal.

>However, my "theory" about the gas is that >I know one needs plenty of
>lubrication to help it, and I was wondering >if perhaps the air from the gas
>might get in there and screw that up.

Certainly plenty of lube is a must with this product. What kind are you using?

I'm not sure if the kind I use would be recommended by doctors, but it's extremely slippery and doesn't wear out unless washed off with soap and water. It's called, "ID Millenium Advanced Formula." It's silicon based, so it doesn't wear off no matter how long it is used. A little goes a long way. Again, I can't speak for it in terms of medical safety for internal use, but I've had no trouble with it so far.

>the worst downside to this seems to be >that while it is in, stimulation
>seems much more reduced, harder to even >get it feeling anything,

> Could you clarify this part for me? By >stimulation, do you mean your
>prostate or penis, or...?

>Penis. After being in there a while and not >getting much, I've tried using
>some stimulation on the penis and don't get >a whole lot. Then I would try
>giving it plenty of stimulation, and it >might get somewhat hard but very
>difficult to maintain and not much orgasmic >feelings, almost a dampening
>affect feels to be going on.

Ok, there's seems to be a lot of variation in the reported sensations with this product. A lot of men say the Aneros actually gives them harder, fuller erections. I've experienced the opposite.

I tend to be flaccid for the most part with this product. But in the right position, after having done the exercises, my penis becomes extremely sensitive. Mild stimulation provides a great deal of orgasmic sensation. I would say the feeling is like a constant, non-stop ejaculation, without an erection. If I do become fully erect while using the Aneros, it actually feels rather uncomfortable around my anal sphincter. So if I begin to get an erection, I actually stop stim until it subsides a bit. Being flaccid allows me to stay comfortable and yet still feel extreme orgasmic sensitivity in my penis and prostate simultaneously.

My guess is, first try to find a position that is most effective for giving you sensation in your prostate, and then use penile stimulation without attempting an erection. You may be surprised at how sensitive your penis becomes in this way.

>For the first few days, I used it every >day, and after three days I thought
>maybe the problem was that I was going too >much,

Yep, as far as I know, every day use in contra-indicated by the designers of this product. Giving yourself one or two days between uses will give your PC and sphincter muscles a chance to rest and develop.

>so once I've tried again,
>seems like I won't be able to do any KSMO's >or regular masturbation until
>the next day.

That's probably for the best. In fact, I've found that once my sessions with the Aneros are becoming more effective, my regular KSMO sessions the next day are often more intense and pleasurable. I believe this is partially due to the workout my PC and perineal muscles get from the Aneros, and also because it helps me become more aware of my prostate and more sensitive to the sensations it can offer.

>Thanks for the encouragement.

You're quite welcome!

>I sort of wanted this because it seemed from
>what people said that you could just put it >in and pretty much it would do
>the work and be very pleasurable.

Well, yes and no. I does provide me with extremely easy, "automatic," orgasms. But only after I've done the warm-ups and had a couple sessions to get used to it again.

BTW, I have a question about your warm-ups.

Once you've inserted it, are you allowing yourself at least 10-20 minutes to give your muscles a chance to relax and your rectum time to adjust to it's presence? It's very important to give yourself time to relax and breathe normally before starting the exercises. I recommend at least 20 minutes, or as long as it takes to feel completely comfortable.

>Not that KSMO's are that much work, but
>lazy guy that I am it would be nice to just >put it in, relax except for
>squeezing the muscle, and presto!

Well yeah, that kind of IS how it works for me. Of course, between the initial relaxation phase and the warm-ups, I put in a total of 45 minutes before I even start the stimulation and orgasmic phase. So, it's actually more work before and after, when taking time and clean-up into account. But the actual orgasmic experience IS very intense, constant, and quite effortless.

>Now, I'm just kind of working myself up to
>give it some more tries but letting what >happens happen.

Sounds like a good idea.

>While this isn't
>KSMO and is more physically involved than >KSMO is mentally, I'm sure
>expectations can potentially get in the way >of this as well.

Actually, I don't see expectations as being much of problem with this product. It does tend to work on a very basic, physical level. I think if it works for you, your mind state has little to do with it. That's part of the, "lazy," aspect to it, IMHO.

>I know this probably differs for each >person, but at what point do you think
>I should give up on it?

Honestly, I can't really answer that for you. What I can say is that the first time I used it, I had major results, and then for the next several times I got nothing. I was getting to a point where I no longer thought it was worth it when I tried it standing by chance and presto! It worked perfectly!

So, I'm wondering if the same thing is possible for you. As a side note, another position occurred to me, have you tried lying face down and moving in a way that would imitate missionary position intercourse? That also gave me some results before I discovered standing. Having felt my prostate in that position, kept me looking for more ways to stimulate it.

>I don't seem to have a real hot G-spot, and >that might be part of the
>problem with it. I can push around down >there and get some sorts of
>sensations, but generally nothing really >orgasmic in nature,

Again, I can't really offer any advice in that department. I imagine that medical problems not withstanding, most men's prostates are quite sensitive to stimulation. This may be more of a topic to discuss with a urologist.

>The fact that
>usually shortly after I put it in, I do get >some slight orgasmic feelings
>would indicate to me that I'm not too far >off.

I agree! That does sound promising. It may simply require some getting used to and experimentation on your part.

>Some other factors in
>this may be that I've never really done any >kind of prostrate stimulation at
>all before, at least intentionally

As a matter of fact, neither have I!

>(though I've always wondered if the
>orgasms I experienced on that bike ride I >talked about in one of my earlier
>post may have been prostrate type >orgasms).

Yes, I believe what happened there was an indirect stimulation of your prostate through your perineum. That's why the perineal massage is such an essential part of my regular KSMO sessions.

>So, it could be I am just so
>totally unuse to this that it will take a >while.

That certainly sounds possible.

>On the other hand, in reference to >the "Sensation Methods" thread, I've
>always experienced the exact opposite of >the full bladder syndrome. It will
>deaden my orgasmic feelings and make it >hard to cause and/or maintain an
>erection.

Again, I can't really comment on this from a medical standpoint. But it does sound like it may be a clue as to what's not working for you. Perhaps another thing to discuss with a urologist?

>Many times, because I began to feel the >need to pee, we've had to
>stop in the middle of sex so I could go let >it out, so that we could
>continue.

I've had the same experience, but more due to the need to get rid of that feeling of urgency, so I could relax.

>If I'm not far off, I believe the reason a >full bladder in some
>men creates more stimulation and arousal is >because it puts pressure on the
>prostrate. Is that a correct >understanding?

I believe so. Then again, your guess is as good as mine. :-)

>If so, then it is possible the
>stimulation of my prostrate causes an >opposite reaction sexually in me. I
>just may be odd in that regard and thus the >Aneros simply will not work for
>me.

That sounds pretty logical to me. Of course, I can only say...urologist! LOL.

>Thanks for the advice.

You're very welcome.

>I guess maybe try it at least once or twice >a week for another month,
>attempting different positions and such, >and see what happens.

That sounds about right to me. Best of luck to you, and please feel free to keep us posted on your discoveries.

Kindest Regards,


Pan

:-)

From: "Robert" <hpkaat2000@aol.com>


[snip]

> >However, my "theory" about the gas is that >I know one needs plenty of
> >lubrication to help it, and I was wondering >if perhaps the air from the gas
> >might get in there and screw that up.
>
> Certainly plenty of lube is a must with this product. What kind are you using?

It is generic, but silicon based and seems to be slippery enough. I have no problems moving it back and forth deeper and back out. It seems lubed enough, but just wondering if the introduction of air bubbles into it by gas might cause it to not have as good of contact. Maybe not as I've gathered the main purpose of plenty of lube is just to make the Aneros move freely in and out with squeezing.

[snip]

> BTW, I have a question about your warm-ups.
>
> Once you've inserted it, are you allowing yourself at least 10-20 minutes to give your muscles a chance to relax and your rectum time to adjust to it's presence? It's very important to give yourself time to relax and breathe normally before starting the exercises. I recommend at least 20 minutes, or as long as it takes to feel completely comfortable.

Well, this may be part of it. I mean, I rest a while before doing anything, but I'm not sure how to judge how long that should be, and I have yet to measure that. I doubt seriously I have ever waited a whole 10-20 minutes before doing anything, probably more on the line of within 5 minutes if I were to guess. I thought just waiting until I wasn't noticing it as much, after the strangeness of having it in there wore off, that I was good to go. But perhaps I'm just not aware that my body has some more adjusting to do with it. I've done the breathing exercises, 20-30 in and out breaths. But maybe I just need to let it sit there for 20 minutes and then try it.

Of course, I will have to wait until I have a decent amount of uninterrupted time to do this, so when I get a chance, I'll let you know if this helped or not. But it sounds like a potential solution if the situation is my body has just not adjusted to it before I begin and I'm not aware of it.

I also got the impression, maybe wrongly, that the getting use to it was just the initial uses of it, that later you didn't have to do that. Another wrong assumption on my part, no doubt.

[snip]

> So, I'm wondering if the same thing is possible for you. As a side note, another position occurred to me, have you tried lying face down and moving in a way that would imitate missionary position intercourse? That also gave me some results before I discovered standing. Having felt my prostate in that position, kept me looking for more ways to stimulate it.
>

I might have, but if so, only for a short time.

Thanks again for your suggestions.


Rick

Hi Pan and all,

I wanted to update you on the aneros. I followed your suggestions on the wait time Pan and it seemed to help. The first time I did that, I felt more orgasmic feelings, though nothing spectacular, and afterwards I was able to do normal stimulation, which I couldn?t do before. I?ve been giving myself a once or twice a week schedule on this. Subsequent times have been more orgasmic, and the last couple of times I?ve gotten some decent ones but still nothing approaching what I can do with KSMO. However, with time, it may get better in that regard. Already seems to be moving that way as my body gets use to it. Even now, I feel more pleasure even in putting it in, initially, than before.

Now, whether it was all due to waiting or not, is hard to say. About the same time that it began getting better I had stopped taking HGR, Human Growth hormone Releaser. In reading on this, one of the ?dangers? of much HGH is the potential for overdosing and it has been known to aggravate any potential prostrate cancer. The advantage of the HGR is that it stimulates the pituitary gland to produce HGH. Since the body is doing it, it gets naturally regulated. It has many health benefits, and people building body mass use it to help muscle growth in workouts. It also helps one?s sexual functioning as well, and it has seemed to get me back to a more youthful sexual feelings.

But since it obviously does affect the prostrate in some manner, then that may have very well been why I wasn?t getting a lot of feeling from it. That may be why since I?ve stopped taking it, it has sort of ?come to life?. At least that is my theory.

Now, the schedule they suggest with this stuff is 3 months on and 1 month off of it. I?m in the month off of it now. I know that these things tend to put on more than a person really needs to get you to use the product. So I?m considering just holding off for a while to see how it goes. If it works out, I?m thinking I will just do 3 months once a year for general health, and to reduce the stress on the prostrate, even though the body regulation helps to keep it from being overdosed. I know that after 40 one does have to watch out for that problem that many men have, and cancer is the last thing I need. So I think once a year on this would be safer.

At any rate, the aneros is doing better for me now and not preventing me from erections and even orgasms and ejaculations like it was before. However, I have to say I still prefer the KSMO?s more. Lately, I?ve had some really good sessions. Last week I had one that went most of the day, off and on. It really got good on a hour drive back home, irregardless of traffic distractions, and I was able to keep it going with minor key sound movements. By the end of the next day, I think I wore it out. But I had some really good and intense orgasms during that two day stretch.

I think this confirms what Jack has on the home page of his site, that one can indeed have these as often as you want, and as long as you want, until your orgasm producing muscle just tires out. But that only builds its strength to go longer the next time. What can beat that! This is getting better all the time. It is hard to think that it was only a little under a two months that I first started doing this. Seems like I?ve gone to orgasm heaven!

Rick

Hi Rick,

>I followed your suggestions on the wait >time Pan and it seemed to help.

Excellent! I find that to be very important in my own use of the Aneros. In my experience, the longer I wait, the better. Especially when I'm still getting used to it again after a long break.

>The first time I did that, I felt more >orgasmic feelings, though nothing >spectacular, and afterwards I was able to >do normal stimulation, which I couldn?t do >before.

Sounds like a good start.

>I?ve been giving myself a once or twice a >week schedule on this.

That's sounds about right. My usual schedule is 3 times a week. As long as there's at least 1 day between uses, I think it's ok.

>Subsequent times have been more orgasmic, >and the last couple of times I?ve gotten >some decent ones but still nothing >approaching what I can do with KSMO.

I'm not surprised. It took me awhile before I reached a level with the Aneros that I would say compares with my KSMO sessions.

>However, with time, it may get better in >that regard.

Indeed it might!

>Already seems to be moving that way as my >body gets use to it. Even now, I feel more >pleasure even in putting it in, initially, >than before.

It does sound like you're beginning to find your comfort zone with it. That's the first step.

>About the same time that it began getting >better I had stopped taking HGR, Human >Growth hormone Releaser.

Hmmm. I'm not sure how that relates, but it does appear that there could be a correlation...

>one of the ?dangers? of much HGH is the >potential for overdosing and it has been >known to aggravate any potential prostrate >cancer.

Yep. I've done some laymen's research on HGH products and tried a couple myself. I've also heard about those warnings.

>The advantage of the HGR is that it >stimulates the pituitary gland to produce >HGH. Since the body is doing it, it gets >naturally regulated.

I agree it is probably one of the safest ways to supplement that hormone.

>It also helps one?s sexual functioning as >well, and it has seemed to get me back to a >more youthful sexual feelings.

I know what you mean. It certainly has some wonderful benefits.

>But since it obviously does affect the >prostrate in some manner, then that may >have very well been why I wasn?t getting a >lot of feeling from it.

Well, I can't comment on that. I have read that it has the potential to increase prostate CANCER. But as for an affect on the prostate itself? I just don't know. So whether that was the reason you were experiencing less feeling from the Aneros? Your guess is as good as mine (if not better!).

>That may be why since I?ve stopped taking >it, it has sort of ?come to life?. At least >that is my theory.

I have no idea. But I'm glad you've added your thoughts and experiences on this to the Forum. I'm sure they could be very helpful for some folks with similar situations. I guess the important thing is, you're feeling more, "life," down there. Congratulations!

>Now, the schedule they suggest with this >stuff is 3 months on and 1 month off of it.

Depending on the product, I've heard months on and off, but also weeks, and even days.

>I know that these things tend to put on >more than a person really needs to get you >to use the product.

Sad, but true.

>So I?m considering just holding off for a >while to see how it goes.

Well, it couldn't hurt to do that.

>If it works out, I?m thinking I will just >do 3 months once a year for general health, >and to reduce the stress on the prostrate, >even though the body regulation helps to >keep it from being overdosed.

Well, like I said, I personally haven't heard about HGH products causing, "stress on the prostate." But who knows? I can only recommend the advice a qualified medical practitioner with regards to that.

>I know that after 40 one does have to watch >out for that problem that many men have

Most certainly.

>and cancer is the last thing I need.

Well, that's a no-brainer. ;-)

>So I think once a year on this would be >safer.

Well, I wish I could offer some advice for you there, but well, I'm just lil' ol' Pan. No medical degrees on MY wall, that's for sure!

>At any rate, the aneros is doing better for >me now and not preventing me from erections >and even orgasms and ejaculations like it >was before.

That's great news!

>However, I have to say I still prefer the >KSMO?s more.

Hey, I can't blame ya! So do I for the most part. The Aneros offers me a specific type of orgasm that I prefer once in awhile. But KSMO provides me with all I'll ever need. Aneros + KSMO is just an added bonus as far as I'm concerned.

>Lately, I?ve had some really good >sessions.

Right on.

>Last week I had one that went most of the >day, off and on. It really got good on a >hour drive back home, irregardless of >traffic distractions, and I was able to >keep it going with minor key sound >movements while sitting at the table >talking with my wife and just about where >ever I was doing whatever. By the end of >the next day, I think I wore it out. But I >had some really good and intense orgasms >during that two day stretch.

That's awesome Rick! That sounds like an experience that deserves a little more discussion. Maybe you could start a post on that somewhere in, "Field Research," or a similar Conference?

>I think this confirms what Jack has on the >home page of his site, that one can indeed >have these as often as you want, and as >long as you want, until your orgasm >producing muscle just tires out.

Well I should say so! Of course, as often and as long as you want I can vouge for. But what muscle are you referring to? PC? In my experience, often muscles aren't even involved! To me, it's more a matter of energy than, well...matter. ;-)

>But that only builds its strength to go >longer the next time.

Again, I'd like to hear more about what you're describing here. Perhaps in another conference?

>What can beat that!

LOL! Well, nothing beats KSMO that I know of!

>This is getting better all the time.

Awesome! I hear ya brother!

>It is hard to think that it was only a >little under a two months that I first >started doing this. Seems like I?ve gone to >orgasm heaven!

Right on! I know just what you mean. Sometimes I really have to think back to remember what it was like BEFORE I learned KSMO. Kinda like waking from a dream into much more beautiful reality.
Thanks for your update Rick. I hope you'll continue to have success with the Aneros. But I feel good knowing that no matter what you'll always have KSMO!

Best Wishes,


Pan :-)

Rick, your observations about the cycle of readiness for KSMO resonates. In my short history with KSMA, I've noticed that some days it seems like I'm ALWAYS ready to go for it, and other days I have to get myself in the mood. And you are right, in my view, when you say that all day long wherever you are a KSMO is inviting you for a brief visit to your naturally orgasmic self. My reply, however, relates to your safety. I have tried practicing the KS while driving, and when I succeed in achieving relatively high arousal levels -- in retrospect -- I think KSMO can be more hazardous that using a cell phone while driving. Perhaps with conscious effort to keep the KS practice to low level arousal driving the KSMO is OK, but I think a bit of caution might be in order.

Although I'm far away from introducing anal stimulation into my intermediate KSMO practice, I can relate to the issues you are contenting with in the use of the Aneros. I cannot compare the Aneros with the anal vibrator I've once tried, but although there were wonderful arousing feelings around my anus from its use, it didn't reach Level l on the prostate-orgasm Richter Scale. On the other hand, I find digital massage of the prostate mildly pleasureable, but I suspect most of the pleasure centered on my anus not my prostate. But when you describe penile stimulation concurrent with Aneros use, this hits home for me. When I am being masturbated and concurrently receive a digital massage of my prostate, I am in heaven, and clerely IN THAT COMBINATION of sensory experiences I have experienced a true prostatic orgam, albeit with ejaculation. I image that your experience of standing while using the Aneros and providing penile stimulation compares in some small way with my own experience.

Thanks for the interesting thread. Someday, down the road, I shall acquire the Aneros, but for now the incredible pleasures of KSMO standing alone demand my full attention.

The advice I have received from you, Jack, MikeS convinces me that the gate of our orgams (even Aneros induced orgasms) is held shut by the chains of mind noise, muscle tightness, fur-balls of all sorts. Your body's physical response to the Aneros is, it seems to me, a kind of chain. Perhaps to the extent that you can transcend your physical awareness of its precent in your rectum, you will be succeed it freeing it to lead you to prostatic orgasm.

Good luck, and I look forward eagerly to your next report.

Pan, Rick,

On having orgasms as often as you want...

"But what muscle are you referring to? PC? In my experience,
often muscles aren't even involved! To me, it's more a matter of
energy than, well...matter. ;-)"

Me too Pan. There can be various muscle movement/tension/
release throughout my body on and off at various times, but no
particular orgasm muscle that I feel...it is more like an energy flow
that touches and passes through or tickles/stimulates/relaxes my
muscles. But it is "the flow" of pleasure that I most notice. But hey,
everyone is at least slightly different!

-MikeS