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The following is abstracted from messages sent to Jack introducing myself and explaining my recent exploration of multiple orgasm and sexual pleasure without ejaculation.

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Thanks for the warm welcome. I look forward to learning so much more about how my male body works than I have heretofore known. My first question -- since you did invite me ask -- is whether my efforts to strengthen my PC muscle are of value, and whether I should continue to do PC exercises on a daily basis. I've been doing them for about a month, and it does seem to me that I am able to put the brakes on a very high level of arousal and thus prevent an immediate ejaculation when I squeeze my PC muscles near the point of orgasm. My second question is: is a strengthened PC muscle a favor in my ejaculation? I have always had excellent ejaculations, mostly projectile, and almost always with a copious amount of semen. I was told, but cannot confirm, that a strong PC muscle will enhance my ejaculations, but it is not clear to me whether the intensity of my orgasm would be intensified.

Thanks for your willingness to provide answers to my questions. I look forward to learning more about your techniques, and thank you for devoting your time to so worth-while an endeavor.

I note with interest in my very first exploration of your site that you have had experience with Body Electric. I did a BE weekend several years ago, and profited enormously, most especially in developing a more positive body self-image. I'd previously been somewhat shy, embarrassed about my maleness, but the weekend eliminated a few blocks for me.

I must confess to have picked up Keesling's book about a month ago, and have been religiously doing PC muscle exercises daily (as indicated in a prior message). I'm beginning to discern what might be a fundamental incongruence between your methods and hers, although do seem to be more in control of my elevated arousal states by the combined use of: (1) PC muscle squeezing, (2) deeper breathing at higher states of arousal, (3) small adjustments in movements (in self stimulation, e.g., by shifting the focus of my genital caresses from one part of my penis to another, or to another part altogether -- balls, anus, base of my penis, etc), and (4) mental focus (which is somewhat more difficult to describe in words, but it seems to be an intentionally induced numbing of my conscious attention to my state of sexual arousal). Controlling my elevates arousal states with a partner is more complex, since coordination of physical actions coupled with efficient communication are required in roughly equal measure. So I have been practicing the exercises proposed by Keesling for the past month pretty much on my own. I will eventually want to ask you whether I should make a district shift in gears and drop PC muscle strengthening and excursions to very high levels of sexual stimulation (approaching the mysterious point of no return), and focus instead on MMO techniques in which muscle relaxation, heightened focus, and cultivation of low-level states of arousal are the menu for the day. Right now I can spend 30 to 45 minutes in self-stimulation, gradually bringing myself to points approaching orgasm and ejaculation, and enter a "plateau" by minute adjustments to (1) PC control, (2) deep breathing, (3) the stroking of my genitals, and (4) mental focus. The more sensitive I am to my proximity to orgasm, the more discipline seems to be required to make these minute adjustments; yet, this state of high sexual tension/pleasure is itself enormously rewarding. So you see, I am struggling to find my way toward the kinder, gentler enjoyment of my male sexuality that your techniques are designed to help me achieve. While I have a sex partner, my peak sexual pleasure have heretofore been solo, and are likely to continue to be.

If I haven't already overextended your willingness to answer questions from newbies, can you comment (or direct me to where I can find comments) on the use of a vibrator or electric massage device as a means of launching low level arousal? Also, whether for your techniques anal stimulation serves the same stimulation purposes as stroking my penis?

Thanks for your kindnesses. I look forward eagerly to a new phase in my sexual education. -- bobr

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Hi Bob,

Congratulations on your discovery of KSMO. I'm sure that with time and practice, you won't be dissapointed!
About your questions, most of them are fairly common around here. Since this is a unique system, it does not include the same techniques as most others, such as PC exercises. Compared with every other system I've seen, KSMO offers an entirely different approach to arousal and multiple orgasms.
So, starting with your first question, do PC exercises have any value? Sure they do! By strengthening that muscle, you can, as you wondered, improve the strength and quality of your ejaculations. However, since this is a system which offers MULTIPLE orgasms, ejaculation becomes only one of the options available to you for experiencing orgasmic pleasure.
In the time that I've spent here, one of the most common problems I've seen with beginners is trying to combine other systems with KSMO. Although there can be benefits to having previous experience with other systems, practicing them while learning KSMO tends to be counterproductive, especially the PC muscle squeezes.
You mentioned that your practice of PC exercises enables you to, "put on the brakes at a very high level of arousal and thus prevent an immediate ejaculation." It is exactly that learned technique of, "putting on the brakes," and attempting to CONTROL ejaculation that actually limits one's access to male multiple orgasms.
Instead, KSMO teaches you to both allow your level of arousal to rise to extreme heights, while BYPASSING the urge to ejaculate altogether. Therefore, you are able to completely LET GO as your arousal level triggers the multi-orgasmic reflex within you, without having to concern yourself with controlling your ejaculation. In fact, practicing, "PC Squeezes," while trying to learn KSMO, is likely to make it more difficult to experiences these kinds of orgasms and bypass the urge to ejaculate. So, my advice is to hold off on those exercises until you have learned to have multiple orgasms in this new way.
This may sound a little hard to believe at first. How can a guy BYPASS the urge to ejaculate without, "cutting off," that process using the PC muscles? That's a part of what makes KSMO so unique among all other techniques. It works first by allowing you to raise your levels of arousal, but not increasing excitement. So what's the difference? Arousal is the experience of pleasure, where as excitement is defined by physical characteristics, such as rapid heartbeat, tensing of the major muscles groups, breathing high in the chest, etc. It is these characteristics that lead to the urge to ejaculate. When you are able to experience extremely high levels of arousal while maintaining a relaxed state, you are able to enjoy greater feelings of pleasure (and orgasms) without even approaching your PONR (Point of No Return).
Through this practice, you can increase your capacity for orgasmic pleasure without increasing your level of excitement, and therefore the tendency to react to pleasure with an urge to, "go for it," and ejaculate becomes less and less, until it is simply a matter of choice! Eventually, you'll find that you can enjoy all the orgasmic pleasure you want, for as long as you want, without feeling the pressure to, "release," because you never even approach your PONR, unless you cease following KSMO protocol.
As for your last questions regarding the use of massagers, vibrators, and anal stimulation, well my experience with massagers and vibrators is quite limited. But I would suggest using regular manual stimulation (with lubrication) for now, until you feel confident in your abilities to have multiples orgasms without any devices. Of course, you can always bring them into your practice once you've learned this technique. But for a beginner, I think they would serve more as a distraction from the orgasmic potential already within you, than as a supplement.
As for anal stimulation, I suppose it depends on what you mean specifically. For instance, massaging your penis, perineum, and anus during a session all seem fine to me. In fact, I strongly recommend the perineal massage that Jack talks about in his seminar, as part of your regular sessions. I would suggest avoiding actual penetration during your sessions for now. Again, only until you've mastered the basics. Once you are fully multi-orgasmic through this technique, then I think it's fine to expand your methods of stimulation. The Aneros, sold at Jack's site, is a wonderful tool for this purpose, but for the same reasons, I would only recommend it to an Adept (someone who has mastered the basics of KSMO).
Phew! I guess I really said a mouthful here! I hope this has been helpful for you. My best advice is to continue making use of this Forum, and of course to come to as many of the Live Chats as you can while learning this system. Once again, congratulations and welcome aboard! You have quite a journey of pleasure and discovery ahead of you with KSMO. Enjoy!

Kindest Regards,

Pan :-)

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Bob,

Pan truly has said a mouthful. I would add that I found it very
difficult to know or understand what KSMO really was. I wanted to
have a picture of it, or an idea of it, in my mind so that I could
categorize it and recognize what was going on within me as I
practiced KSMO.

There was a great urge to do this, know this. But really, that gets in
the way of things. It is best to forget everything (except the KSMO
protocol), relax and feel all the sensations you experience as they
happen (no anticipation of them, no holding on to the sensations
after they have passed by...new ones will come). Just stay relaxed,
follow the protocol, and be fully present to what you are
experiencing moment by moment.

There are at first tiny echoes or a connection between your body's
response to the protocol and your mind's recognition of the
echoes. From there, the connection will become stronger and
more flexible, the echoes will last longer and will become stronger
as you are able to relax more and fully experience them. The
intensity varies and you may think you "have it down" one day, but
then a day or two later you may find yourself disappointed
because you do not feel on that day, like you did the previous time.
This is normal. No two KSMO sessions are ever alike! There are
pathways or tracks within us that need to open and that we need to
get very comfortable with...which takes time. Then there is life and/
or moods and so on which always play a role in the character
development of a KSMO session.

So when you practice KSMO, if you can relax and feel, noticing the
connection with the echoes, based on Jack's protocol, and just let
that be....in time, it will get better and stronger until you slip into
orgasmic echoes as strong as you feel during a regular orgasm/
ejaculation...except you won't be ejaculating (unless you want to)
and the orgasms will last much longer AND will be repeatable. It is
all there...but believe me I know, it can be difficult to let yourself
experience it.

As adventurous as we may view ourselves, we hesitate to fling
ourselves unequipped into an unknown improvisational void. We
like to have maps, flashlights, ropes, safety nets...all the usual
gear. But all you need is your relaxed self and the protocol, that's
all you need.

There is a lot of information on this site where you can learn to
discern the subtleties you experience during KSMO such as what
Pan has pointed out on arousal and excitement. Keep learning,
but forget everything except the protocol when you practice.

Finally your description of your current situation as to experiencing
self pleasure I can relate to completely. You are me as I was back
in February or March. I know what you mean about the pleasure of
the experience and I know what you mean about balancing
yourself on the boarder using breathing, stimulation, your mind
and so on. You do not need any of that to experience KSMO.
KSMO will tune you in to your arousal and the orgasmic energy
that is contained there, the other stuff falls away and is not
necessary. You'll see.

I guess I said I mouthful too!

Good luck.

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Hi Bob

Just wanted to say that those are two really great replies to your questions!

I also sussed out the squeeze techniques & read several books on the subject - I quit doing that because it just wasn't much fun at all. There is (& I'm not the only person on the net who has found this) a cycle of diminishing returns with the feelings & intensity, it's like your body drops energy as though you had ejaculated in my experience.

I can't see any problem with working up a strong PC muscle using these exercises, maybe the stronger muscle with more control may actually help you to relax the PC muscle more though this is just an opinion based on my own experience - the important point as Jack & others have pointed out is not to try to mix the ksmo protocol with any kind of tensing of anything whatsoever.

Hope this helps you Bob.

Phil

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I'm overwhelmed at the generous responses from Jack, Pan, Mike, and Bilko. You guys really know how to make a guy feel welcome ' especially a newbi to Jack's protocol who hasn't't (blush) read Jack's book or listened to his CD. I am certainly going to explore this new world of my male sexual potential, and I feel comforted by the willingness of all of you to help me in my steps along that new and yet unexplored path.

It is clear to me that to be truly open to the energies within my mind and my body that lead to MO I must set aside some preconceptions about what the process is, and perhaps some practices that have in the past stood me in good stead in my sexual pleasuring. It may be useful, therefore, to share some random thoughts of a man about to begin a process that you all have already pursued before me, some to accomplished levels. So without any pre-determined order, here are thoughts that are rolling around in the back of my mind as I prepare to follow in your footsteps.

1. I derive great pleasure in being male, and have experienced countless 'peak' sexual experiences in my lifetime, both with a partner and solo. I truly enjoy sex, and have no noteworthy sexual problems; no pre-mature ejaculations (they come when I want them); no difficulty getting erect; almost always a goodly volume of semen when I ejaculate; ejaculations that are usually powerful and projectile; I have developed a positive body image; I'm not shy or embarrassed about my body generally or my genitals in particular; and I can enjoy states of sustained sexual arousal for periods of my own choosing, often deliberately not ejaculating in order to continue the high levels of sexual arousal and also not wanting to cum now but cum later alone or with my partner. So what's the problem? Why shouldn't I simply continue what is thoroughly joyous to me and enjoy my sexual pleasures much as in the past?

2. The idea of MO intrigues me. The word 'orgasm' itself is defined in my dictionary as 'the physical and emotional sensation experienced at the peak of sexual excitation, a sexual climax marked by ejaculation in the male.' The word 'marked' tells me that the dictionary author ducked the issue, since one thing can be 'marked by' another thing from which it is totally different. Obviously, 'orgasm' and 'ejaculation' are different and non-congruent in nature and in timing ' something you all certainly appreciate. In my own imprecise terms, my 'orgasm' is the coordinated, maximum elevation of my mental and body states having a genital focus. When I am aroused sexually, that portion of my body below my belly (in the front) and anus (in the back) and within my hips and my thighs ' all of that seems to go into a state somewhat the sensory reciprocal, or opposite, of novocaine. Those portions of my body take on a life of their own, unquestionably not limited to my penis. Yet, my erect penis appears to be the very core of my being at that moment, penis now being defined not only as that (roughly) six inches on the outside of my body but continuing below and into the interior of my body, past my perineum, past my prostate, pass my rectum, disappearing into that mysterious male abyss deem within my body. That whole long tube of male meat is the resonating visible witness to my sexual arousal, the most vocal plaintiff for still further manual stimulation. I become, in a sense and for the moment, my penis (or more generally, my genitals). I love this state. I love it to continue, and to continue for a long, long at even low levels of arousal; I don't hurry to move up in the levels, let alone reach Level 10 in a continuous, ascending physical excitation.

3. So . . . what was it that I experienced in the past when I stimulated myself to what Keesling describes as Level 9.9 (Level 1 being no sexual feelings at all, and Level 10 being a full orgasm)? If not 'peak' it was damn close. But was it an 'orgasm'? I don't know and hope to learn. I think I have achieved a very high level of control of my sexual arousal at Level 9.9, a 'Level 9.9 plateau' in Keesling terminology; and I love every minute of it. I can maintain that level with relative ease by a combination of controls that include (in solo sessions) (1) stoking my penis a little slower, a litter further down the shaft and away from the glans, or shifting to my balls, perineum, or anus; (2) breathing a bit more slowly and a bit more deeply; and (3) a very resolute mental shift in focus from my sexual arousal to a numbing blank, usually with eyes open. I love doing this. I feel 100% male, 100% sexual, 100% pleasured. And I ordinarily treat myself to a good old fashioned ejaculation when I am ready to quit for the day. And not of inconsiderable importance after my ejaculation is the pleasure that my semen provides for my partner, even though I have gone into catastrophic detumescence and quickly loose interest in my liberated male fluids. While I refract, my semen becomes a continuing pleasure to my partner but a best a temporary nuisance to me.

3. What MO seems to offer is a very high level (perhaps, maximum level) of sexual pleasure that is comparable to Level 9.9, or perhaps even Level 10, without much of the physical tension that accompanies my sexual experiences, without an ejaculation, and subsequent refractory state of mind and body. I like the sound of that, and want to find out more.

4. Once, many years ago, I read up on Tantric sexual practices. On one ' and only one ' occasion I recall having had a sustained and throbbing erection without even once touching my penis. I held this position for a long time. I could make my penis 'jump' by PC contractions, ... and for that matter I can still do this. But on this one occasion, whether because I was much younger, or because I was on that occasion extraordinarily focused on my body and my penis in particular, I was able to ejaculate without ever once touching my penis. I suppose that the movements induced in my penis by the PC contractions could well have served the same functional purpose as the slight, but sufficient, touch needed to push a man over the edge from a Level 9.9 to a full Level 10 orgasm. But I often reflected on this incident, but could never even come close to repeating it. I recall, however, that the 'orgasm' was not as intense as that derived from full-blown masturbation, and it yielded noticeably less semen that I ordinarily ejaculate. In short, the sensations were no substitute for what I then (and until recently) felt was 'the real thing.'

5. The next reflection I had when thinking about MO is another Tanta-like ability I seem to have acquired. Lying down, I stimulate myself to a very hard erection, gradually easing up on the manual stroking as my arousal state increases. I allow my penis to undulate up and down slowly by the slightest movements of my PC muscles, sometimes not even a twitch of the PC muscle but getting along with merely the 'thought' of stimulation. I can hold this state of very high sexual excitation for periods of my own choosing, my penis quivering and throbbing as if it were being softly stroked by some invisible hand. I don't think I ever got to even a Level 9 using this technique, but it sure is nice. It occurred to me that perhaps this is a kind of preview of what I might experience in the early phases of Jack's protocol. I was not using breathing as a control, or movement, but only PC contraction and mental focus. I can induce such feelings even when driving a car, experiencing a nice, warm sexual glow in my genitals without physical stimulation, using PC muscles and some concentration. Sure beats the boredom of a long solo drive on the Interstate.

6. Well, I guess we all would be here if we did not really enjoy sustained high levels of sexual pleasure. I certainly do. I am eager to begin discovering more about Jack's protocol and thereby more about my body's sexual potential. Your companionship in this endeavor will give me a warm and comforting feeling. I thank you for your candid reports on how the protocol works for you, and will reciprocate by sharing again with your how my early efforts fare.

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Hi Bob,

That was quite a post! I think it was your turn to say a mouthful ;-)
I'll do my best to address your questions/comments one step at a time...
Ok, so for your first thought/question, #1, "So what's the problem? Why shouldn't I simply continue what is thoroughly joyous to me and enjoy my sexual pleasures much as in the past?" Well, that's a good question. My answer is, you tell me! I don't spend much time trying to convince people they should learn KSMO. Instead, I offer the fruits of my efforts and experience to help folks who WANT to learn KSMO. All I know is, something brought you here. Be it simple curiosity, dissatisfaction, or a quest for more knowledge about your sexuality. It's not my job to sell this system. I'm just a regular guy who helps out newbies with questions regarding their practice.
I guess what you're asking is, why do we do it? I will only speak for myself here. I've always been inclined to explore my sexuality and learn as much about my potential as a man as possible. I have a full list of books, videos, etc from Tantra, Taoist Sexual Chi Gung, etc. and yes, I have Keesling's book as well. I've done the PC squeezes, I've practiced extensive meditations, and I used to consider myself to be quite lucky in the realm of male sexuality. I could have sex for hours, maintain erections without effort, and often received compliments from my partners, but other than a well stroked ego, I was never completely satisfied. Observing my female partners in a multi-orgasmic state left me with a deep feeling of wanting more. I wanted to know what it was like to completely release with orgasm after orgasm, without effort, or maintaing CONTROL of my body. It was the control, the "holding back," that frustrated me so much.
With Tantra, and all the other systems I've researched and practiced, I found the PC squeezes to offer a limited experience of multiple orgasm at best. KSMO is the only system I know of that could allow me full orgasmic release, as often as I want, for as long as I want, without any need to take my focus away from the pleasure. In short, it actually delivered on the same promises I'd seen so many times in the past. I am now truly multi-orgasmic without any, "fine print," or restrictions. I no longer look at women and think, "I wish I knew how that felt." I know!
I'm happy, I'm thoroughly satisfied, and it keeps getting better. After all, that's the real point here, isn't it? Pleasure and satisfaction? I guess my question for you is, if you're satisfied and can't imagine being happier with your sex life, what brought you here?
Ok, let's move on to #2. In this segment, you discuss your experience of orgasm as being genitally centered. In fact, adding that at moments you have the sensation of "being your penis." I certainly am familiar with what you are describing. I have experienced many times (even pre-and post-KSMO)when it seemed that stimulating my penis would result in orgasmic sensations all over my body. Almost as if my entire body was, "in" my penis, directly sensitive and reactive to everything it felt. However, the results of KSMO are more expansive and varied. There are times when I, "am my penis," but there are also many times when other parts of my body, or my entire body, respond with the same orgasmic sensitivity as my penis. One aspect of KSMO is the ability to expand your experience of orgasm to your entire being. Just look at the posts made in the Forum section under, "Heartgasms." With this practice, you have the opportunity to both include and yet move beyond the penis in your experience of orgasm. In fact, with time, you may evoke orgasmic reactions purely from making the Key Sound alone, or in some cases, just THINKING about it!
In segment #3, you asked "What was it I experienced when I stimulated myself to what Keesling describes as level 9.9?" Essentially, I think what you experienced was the edge of your PONR, extended and expanded, but non-the-less, a, "teasing," of your ejaculatory process. Again, this is a technique of, "playing," with your level of sexual excitement, and basically the same with nearly all other systems, besides KSMO. It is a, "game," of, "orgasmic chicken." How far can I approach the edge without falling off the cliff?
KSMO is a completely different approach, it does not require or make use of, "the edge." I suppose the question here is, did you experience FULL ORGASMIC RELEASE in this phase? Again, it is that requirement of CONTROL that makes the difference. How does one release and yet maintain control? I never figured that out. Fortunately, with KSMO, I don't have to. Since the goal is AROUSAL and not excitement, I am free to enjoy the multi-orgasmic reflex and subsequent release without fighting the natural urges within me. When you can experience full orgasmic release in wave upon wave, the, "need," to ejaculate subsides and becomes purely optional. The experience of orgasm is no longer associated with ejaculation. So there's no pressure in that regard. And yet, one of the many wonderful benefits of KSMO practice, is that if you do wish to ejaculate after the desired amount of orgasms, the experience is greatly enhanced. Sensation, projection of fluids, experience of orgasmic release are all intensified. But, if you look around the posts and archived chats, you'll see many reports from practitioners saying they actually feel MORE pleasure from their non-ejaculatory orgasms, than the usual Big Bang. Myself included.
So, taking that into segment #3, you mention thinking that perhaps MMO is an experience of Keesling's, "level 10," orgasm, without ejaculation involved. I, myself, expected KSMO to be simply a repeated experience of ejaculatory orgasm without the loss of fluids or refractory period. In fact, it's quite different. I would say it's more akin to endless waves of levels 9-15 for extended periods. But, really it's difficult, if not impossible, to apply a number system to these sensations. These orgasms do not feel exactly like ejaculatory orgasms. At least not every time. They vary greatly from one to the next, from one session to the next session. Some are genital, some are full-body. some are emotional, even spiritual, others more physical in nature. It all depends on the person and their level of practice. One thing's for sure, nearly everyone I know who's learned to do this, has said it was more (and yet different) than what they were expecting or imagining it to be. In fact, expectation, the attempt to categorize and label these sensations, is often counterproductive. It is best simply to practice and observe the results, the level of pleasure and satisfaction you feel from a session, with or without ejaculation. That seems to be the only possible accurate comparison to be made.
Segment #4, I have to say you are the first man I've ever heard of to experience ejaculation without any stimulation. It's interesting, but from your own account, doesn't sound worth trying to repeat. But it does suggest that the PC squeezes are likely to lead one towards eventual ejaculation, and therefore, brings into question the benefit of using them for, "control."
Segment #5, again, this is a classic example of, "hitting the gas," and then coasting on that momentum. KSMO is quite the opposite. You begin with slow and gentle stimulation, building arousal gradually, until eventually, you reach a plateau of arousal without the need to, "pull back," and hang in erotic limbo. Instead, you can continue stimulation in the midst of extreme arousal, enjoying the full benefit of your orgasmic potential, independent of the PONR (Point of No Return).
Segment #6 speaks for itself. So with that, let me again wish you the best of luck on your new path of sexual exploration. I can almost guarantee it will be unlike anything else you've ever experienced. I look forward to hearing about your first impressions and experiences with KSMO.

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Bob and Pan,

Great thoughts and insights! I'd like to add a couple of things...

Bob, as to your "What's the problem?" question, for me earlier this
year I simply started thinking, believing, feeling that I really didn't
"know" desire (and letting go of my self) into its depths. I started
seeing desire as a very powerful natural force that I hadn't
explored beyond the usual boundaries. Pleasure was similar, was
I really experiencing all the pleasure that was there for me. I
started searching/reading/exploring and ended up here and what
do you know, it was exactly the method and place that offered a
way for me to learn more about myself by exploring my sexuality.
The more I have learned and am learning, the more in awe I am of
sexuality itself as a gift of life in so many ways...and as a powerful
world changing force.

Pan, when you say, "I, myself, expected KSMO to be simply a
repeated experience of ejaculatory orgasm without the loss of
fluids or refractory period. In fact, it's quite different. I would say it's
more akin to endless waves of levels 9-15 for extended periods.
But, really it's difficult, if not impossible, to apply a number system
to these sensations. These orgasms do not feel exactly like
ejaculatory orgasms. At least not every time. They vary greatly from
one to the next, from one session to the next session. Some are
genital, some are full-body. some are emotional, even spiritual,
others more physical in nature. It all depends on the person and
their level of practice. One thing's for sure, nearly everyone I know
who's learned to do this, has said it was more (and yet different)
than what they were expecting or imagining it to be."

That's a bulls-eye and a gold nugget!

The variety of KSMO is amazing, and as I am rather new at this yet,
often confounding because I never before experienced that kind of
variety with my sexual feelings. KSMOs have ranged from feeling
ejaculatory-like, to sessions where I experience few highs or lows,
but yet I am left feeling absolutely fantastic and wondering how it
can be so. So, really I am amazed every time, there is always a
new aspect to this "gift" that Jack has found and unwrapped for us.

And Pan, where you say, "I have to say you are the first man I've
ever heard of to experience ejaculation without any stimulation. It's
interesting, but from your own account, doesn't sound worth trying
to repeat."

Back in my early 20's I took up weightlifting. Not in big way, but I
was at the gym several times a week as I loved the feeling of
exercising that way. When you lift, there is a phenomenon that is
called "the pump" where when you are in the final repetitions of
lifting, there is a sexual wwooooo or rush, that goes through your
body. A few times after I got home, I explored that a bit, putting a
playboy magazine on the floor and doing push ups. A few times
my penis gently touched the floor I am sure, so maybe that was
stimulation, but it wasn't much...I got hard and I came, full force.

Something must happen in the body to trigger things. One thing I
am noticing is that there is a balance between physical, mental,
emotional, spiritual and what not...and if one or the other
component is reduced or augmented, if the right mix persists, you
still experience orgasm. KSMO has sort of split out the arousal part
somehow as it interacts with the physical, mental, emotional,
spiritual parts of our selves....I think. So even though the physical
stops being so vigorous, becoming calm, when doing KSMO, the
balance is maintained by pumping up the other areas in us. Just a
theory...

So, Bob, welcome. You can have quite the experience with KSMO
and perhaps amaze yourself, change your life, become even
happier and more satisfied, in many ways...fully realize your
self...all that and multiple orgasms too!!

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Sheesh! Mike, you too?!? I wonder, how many guys out there have had this type of ejaculatory experience? There always seems to be another surprise waiting for me at this site! Where will it end....?

;-)