I tried again and again the key sounds but It never worked. Jack told me that with an hard rock erection it would not work. I turned to Dr Lin's ballooning method and instead of using the chi kong tao stuff I'll never understand I simply followed jack's advice in his seminar. After 6 months of training, I can say that I am multi-orgasmic without any control method. How it works? Here is the clue. Erection is under the control of the parasympathetic system; erection under the sympathetic one. When you are very hard, you can easily block the sympathetic pathway. This is called the ballooning or numbing effect. With proper belly breathing and hot spot stimulation (thank you Jack!) you get a powerful and exquisite orgasm that last a long time. After this climax mostly felt in the head, you remain in a totally relaxed state, ready to get another orgasm. The more you go on and the more you feel great. Ejaculation at this stage is impossible because the sympathetic circuit is simply shut down. The erection remains rock hard as long as you wish.
I've asked Dr Lin a few medical explanations you can read at: http://www.actionlove.com/cases/case10781.htm
He explains why you feel so great after these orgasms.
Something very interesting is that you feel very connected to the world in a loving way while doing that.
As a young person, it was quite hard for me to get highly aroused without getting a firm erection.
I want also to explain why I tried to become multi-orgasmic without ejaculation and without ejaculation control. Ejaculation, especially with partners, was not satisfying and I would feel mentally empty after orgasm. Multiplying the ejaculations in a single love session is simply not the solution. I was so jealous to see my girl friend enjoying powerful orgasms and feeling so energized at the end. I needed to be able to do the same! I believe that high intensity orgasms are very beneficial to the health and that there are people who need them more than others. MMO recharge your circuits like nothing else.

On 1/23/03 10:15:00 AM, jean-c wrote:
>I tried again and again the
>key sounds but It never
>worked.

Readers: Jean attended one Live Coaching Chat where he was given detailed assistance, but he never checked back, that I can tell, and he never checked in with me to make sure that he was making the Key Sound correctly.

In the "Archived Chats Q & A" at the main website at www.multiples.com refer to Chat 0085 for my detailed assistance with Jean-C.

> Jack told me that with
>an hard rock erection it would
>not work.

That is not correct!

Perhaps we have a language difficulty here.

What I said that is that rock hard erections are not necessary.

That is very different than saying the method won't work with erections!

What I caution is that if you are doing stimulation so vigorously in an attempt to maintain a constant erection, that this high level of stimulation may tend to trigger the ejaculation reflex.

The way to learn my method is to use only very gradual increases in stimulation, as I describe in detail in the audio seminar and in the chats, for example in chats 0078, 0090, and 0091 in the "Archived Chats Q & A" at the main website at www.multiples.com


> I turned to Dr Lin's
>ballooning method and instead
>of using the chi kong tao
>stuff I'll never understand I
>simply followed jack's advice
>in his seminar.

Great! I'm glad that this aspect of my method has been beneficial to you!

>After 6 months
>of training, I can say that I
>am multi-orgasmic without any
>control method.

Excellent!

You are saying that you do not experience any Point of No Return, either?

> How it works?
>Here is the clue. Erection is
>under the control of the
>parasympathetic system;
>erection under the sympathetic
>one. When you are very hard,
>you can easily block the
>sympathetic pathway. This is
>called the ballooning or
>numbing effect.

This evidently is Dr. Lin's method, or your method.

My method does not require "numbing" of any kind!

Proper use of my method is based on learning to gradually increase arousal to multi-orgasmic levels without having to "numb" or otherwise block the flow of pleasure energy,

But at the same time NOT doing the activities that set the stage for the ejaculation reflex.

IF you follow my protocol CORRECTLY (that is, without vigorous stimulation in the beginning, AND articulating the Key Sound CORRECTLY, as well as TIMING the use of the Key Sound correctly, then the multiples will come WITHOUT NUMBING or other energy-blocking maneuvers.


>With proper
>belly breathing and hot spot
>stimulation (thank you Jack!)

You're welcome!

>you get a powerful and
>exquisite orgasm that last a
>long time. After this climax
>mostly felt in the head,

As you readers may see, this is not the effect that occurs when my complete protocol is followed correctly. This is an example of an energy blocking (aka "numbing" or "ballooning") method.

The multiple orgasms that people report when using my complete protocol correctly move throughout one's entire body.

And they are not just a single orgasm, but multiple waves of orgasms that are reported by most as significantly more intense than they experienced prior to applying my complete protocol correctly.

>you
>remain in a totally relaxed
>state,

Relaxation IS part of my protocol as well.

>ready to get another
>orgasm.

Your use of the singular "orgasm" suggests that at this level you have not triggered the MULTI-orgasmic reflex that people experience when applying my complete protocol correctly.


>The more you go on and
>the more you feel great.
>Ejaculation at this stage is
>impossible because the
>sympathetic circuit is simply
>shut down.

This sounds more like an energy blocking method than like my method.

>he erection
>remains rock hard as long as
>you wish.

In my method most people report that sometimes when the multiple orgasms are happening, there is erection, and other times there is not.

You can have it both ways.

>I've asked Dr Lin a few
>medical explanations you can
>read at:
>http://www.actionlove.com/case
>s/case10781.htm

In this case you and he both discuss the necessity of "numbing the penis" in order to experience what you describe.

>He explains why you feel so
>great after these orgasms.
>Something very interesting is
>that you feel very connected
>to the world in a loving way
>while doing that.

This aspect does sound similar to what we describe as "Heartgasms".

>As a young person, it was
>quite hard for me to get
>highly aroused without getting
>a firm erection.
>I want also to explain why I
>tried to become multi-orgasmic
>without ejaculation and
>without ejaculation control.
>Ejaculation, especially with
>partners, was not satisfying
>and I would feel mentally
>empty after orgasm.
>Multiplying the ejaculations
>in a single love session is
>simply not the solution. I was
>so jealous to see my girl
>friend enjoying powerful
>orgasms and feeling so
>energized at the end. I needed
>to be able to do the same! I
>believe that high intensity
>orgasms are very beneficial to
>the health and that there are
>people who need them more than
>others. MMO recharge your
>circuits like nothing else.

I agree!

If you get tired of "numbing" your penis,
you may consider checking in again to
our free Live Chats to get the help you need to learn to have multiple orgasms without having to worry about "numbing" your penis.

This way you may also then learn how to enjoy the multiple orgasmic energy throughout your body, and not just in your head.

Best regards,
Jack

Dear Jack,
I think you disqualified my method abruptly.
I consider that your method is far superior to others. It is more gentle.
I'm not done with key sound! It's part of the process.
I wanted to be able to get MMO through masturbation. Now I can turn to other methods, that is: yours. For example, I wouldn't consider Keesling's method. I've read the book and didn't even started to train my PC as she suggests.
I am French and it is obvious that there are some obstacle barriers. Don't blame me for that reason, please.
About the ballooning effect or the numbing, let me explain, please. It's not something tough on oneself, it's just the result of an extreme erection. The congestion of the blood compresses some nerves without any extra-help. No pressure applied, no friction. Moreover, the feeling is really nice.
I don't think that there is any energy blocking as I feel so well and relaxed after the wave. I do agree that there is no circulation of that pleasure wave from the head to the rest of the body again and again. Let's simply call it a dry orgasm instead of a MMO. Would you agree? It becomes multiple if I go on for the simple reason that I haven't ejaculate.

On 1/23/03 12:32:00 PM, jean-c wrote:
>Dear Jack,
>I think you disqualified my
>method abruptly.

Dear Jean,
I disagree. If the method is producing the results you want that is great.

My intention was simply to the extent possible to make clear distinctions between the Lin method as you described it, and the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm (KSMO) Trigger protocol, so that readers may also be able to make that distinction.

My protocol in a nutshell is this:

Very light stimulation to begin with. Do not get distracted by trying to maintain a constant erection. If it happens great, if not, you can still experience multiple orgasms.

Concern with constant erection can lead to overstimulation which leads to the pre-ejaculatory "Point of No Return".

When using the KSMO correctly, there is NO Point of No Return.

By just using very light stimulation, your breathing will automatically change for at least one or two breaths. Not a big change necessarily. It might be very subtle.

But there is an at least slightly larger than average inhale that occurs immediately following stimulation.

This automatic breath accompanies the good feelings that result from stimulation.

Learning to recognize this automatic breath is subtle and essential.

For it is this breath that is your body's signal to use the Key Sound.

When the Key Sound is articulated correctly and it is timed correctly to the exhale of that automatic (at least slightly) larger in-breath you will experience automatic responses (often mild at the beginning) such as tingles, goosebumps, trembling, automatic pelvic movements, etc.

These are the "Echo Effects".

The Echo Effects or their absence is the "go / no-go" signal for adding a little more stimulation, and then repeating the above protocol of:

Just after stimulation, notice the automatic larger in-breath, exhale it gently using a gentle (but correctly articulated) Key Sound, notice and enjoy the Echo Effects as you breathe normally, and repeat the process by using a little more stimulation.

If at any point you don't feel Echo Effects in response to this procedure, it means you are either not making the Key Sound correctly, or you are using too much stimulation (THE most common mistake... It takes practice to UNlearn the tendency learned from masturbation to use vigorous stimulation), or you are not timing the Key Sound to the exhale of the automatic (possibly very subtle) larger-than-average inbreath that always occurs in response to any erotic stimulation at all.

>I consider that your method is
>far superior to others. It is
>more gentle.

I appreciate your comment, Jean. And I DO appreciate your comparing it with the Lin method. I have just wanted to make clear distinctions between his method and the KSMO. :-)

>I'm not done with key sound!

LOL. Me either! :-)

>It's part of the process.
>I wanted to be able to get MMO
>through masturbation. Now I
>can turn to other methods,
>that is: yours.

Well I'm not sure what you mean by "masturbation" here.

If you mean "self-pleasuring" then than is exactly what I recommend in the beginning for learning how to have non-ejaculatory multiple orgasms using KSMO.

If by "masturbation" you mean constant, relatively vigorous stimulation in the service of maintaining a constant erection, then I hope you will clarify that.

This is an important point in my view because if you'll look at the chat transcripts, THE most common difficulty that newbies have in learning how to use KSMO is the strong tendency to use way too much stimulation while attempting to use the KSMO protocol.

Therefore if you are using "masturbation" to mean vigorous stimulation and constant erection, I hope you'll reconsider your use of that term.

What I am teaching in part is a new way of masturbation or self-pleasuring, that then enables the individual to learn how to open to multiples in the way I teach without the performance pressure of trying to learn it in the context of making love with a partner to begin with.

However, once a person learns to open to the multiple orgasms by use of the KSMO, then I offer the couple's exercises in the audio seminar for introducing the process to a partner.

> For example, I
>wouldn't consider Keesling's
>method. I've read the book and
>didn't even started to train
>my PC as she suggests.

BTW, another common mistake that people make when learning to use the KSMO correctly is the tendency to combine the KSMO with other techniques before learning how to use the KSMO just by itself.

This tends to delay rather than accelerate learning how to experience multiples using KSMO.

And in fact, using PC squeeze while practicing KSMO actually tends to block the flow of the erotic energy that leads to the extremely powerful multiples accessible by using KSMO.

>I am French and it is obvious
>that there are some obstacle
>barriers. Don't blame me for
>that reason, please.

Jean, I am not "blaming" you at all! That serves no purpose to anyone!

Also, re: French language, (KSMO Adept) Shiva is a good contact for helping understand KSMO.

In this Forum you can access Shiva's email by clicking SEARCH on the black menu bar, then clicking on "Search Users" and typing in shiva as the search term. This will give you his email address.

>About the ballooning effect or
>the numbing, let me explain,
>please. It's not something
>tough on oneself, it's just
>the result of an extreme
>erection. The congestion of
>the blood compresses some
>nerves without any extra-help.
>No pressure applied, no
>friction. Moreover, the
>feeling is really nice.

If it's beneficial to you, that's great!

>I don't think that there is
>any energy blocking as I feel
>so well and relaxed after the
>wave.

"wave" singular? One only?

> I do agree that there is
>no circulation of that
>pleasure wave from the head to
>the rest of the body again and
>again. Let's simply call it a
>dry orgasm instead of a MMO.
>Would you agree?

Yes it didn't sound like "multiple" orgasms to me! :-)

> It becomes
>multiple if I go on for the
>simple reason that I haven't
>ejaculate.

Yes that sounds reasonable to me.

Again I want to distinguish between the method you describe and the results it yields in contrast to the use of the KSMO.

When the KSMO is used correctly, the arousal with or withOUT erection can get so high that you actually trigger a NON-ejaculatory MULTI-orgasmic REFLEX (i.e. a process, and not just a singular even), that can result in wave after wave after wave of orgasmic rushes running throughout your body.

This ultra-high, orgasmic state of arousal is basically entering into a "multi-orgasmic ZONE" where orgasms are accessible just by taking another breath, or just by "choosing" to let the feeling happen again, WITHOUT ANY additional stimulation.

This multi-orgasmic ZONE experience is QUITE COMMON among men AND WOMEN who have learned to use the KSMO correctly, as evidenced in the streaming audio stories on the main website.

Again, I appreciate your posts because it gives me an opportunity to make important distinctions of method and results between the Lin method you have described and the correct use of the KSMO protocol in its simple entirety, in contrast also to just using a Key Sound at more or less random times, rather than timed the way I described above, in the audio seminar, and throughout the chat archives and other posts and articles on the main website and in this Forum.

I do hope that at some point you will consider applying the KSMO method in its entirety and exclusive for a time of mixing it with other methods.

If you will consider doing that, while coming to the free Live Chats to get the additional help you need, as well as (if still not getting expected results) using a brief phone or email consult with me to make sure you are actually articulating the Key Sound correctly, then you will be giving yourself the opportunity to experience the multiple waves of orgasm, and the "multi-orgasmic zone" where even just another breath will access additional orgasms!

I hope you will consider exploring that option.

Jean, wishing you the VERY best in your explorations!
Jack

Thank you for you in-depth answer, Jack . It was very interesting and helpful.
As there were a few remaining points do deal with, I?m posting another message.

Jack?s method is simple and clear? but not necessary easy. I think that I got nothing from key sounds because I?m not getting aroused easily, as if I were not a sensual person. It has to do with my sexuality and my past experiences. Women sometimes put a lot of pressure on men using them as sex tools. I was literally traumatized by women asking for deep and hard sex so that I started not to feel any pleasure from ejaculatory orgasms. These details may explain some of my blockage with the KS.

The method derived from Dr Lin is basically a non-ejaculatory control method. I?m not concerned my the no-return point. When it doesn?t work, I simply let it go! My concern is that it doesn?t always work. However, I think it?s another MMO method which could be considered (even only by me lol). You might not agree about its interest, but one consequence of this sympathetic shut down method is the one hour fully erected penis without any effort.

About the single wave I described, here are additional info: when orgasm occur, there?s a powerful very hot wave that moves trough the body up to the head. It is accompanied by a total relaxation of the whole body. Then you remain in an exquisite mentally aroused state but totally aroused with a vigorous erection. At this stage you can trigger as many waves as you want. Some are almost too intense. When you stop, you feel energized though relaxed for the rest of the day. As you can see, it?s quite enjoyable and real.

Any method that deals with PONR (anagram of porn, by the way) is IMHO to be avoided. I tried to play with it but it leads to painful and frustrating results. From experiencing and knowing a little bit about the human body, I know the reason why. If you get a lot of stimulation without channelling the energy via KS, Taoist breathing method or sympathetic shut down, pressures build up in the prostate an seminal vesicles waiting to be expelled. This is prior to the PONR naturally but I would say it?s already too late. If you don?t ejaculate, you feel strange and frustrated for the rest of the day. That?s why seminal retention is so difficult when done by simple decision.

When I said Jack?s method was the best, it was not a flattery. It?s the best because you don?t built any congestion. You remain far from the PONR therefore not interfering with the prostate and seminal vesicles.

One difference between Jack?s method and my method (I call it mine because Lin?s one is different and apparently requires ejaculation control) is the way the orgasms are triggered. With Jack?s, I would say it?s quite mental. Whereas my way to trigger orgasm is purely physical.

What I need now is to explore and master my physical method before turning to Jack?s more emotional and gentle one (and more intense and profound, from what you say.)

Jean-Christophe