As a newbie here, and relatively so in the Aneros Forum, I am energized and curious about combining these two practices. A little like Pan, I have chronic pain and yet have been able to develop a number of techniques to override or evade it to a degree.

I am married for almost 40 years and we have two sons in their mid-20s. Now empty-nesters, my wife and I are exploring our post-parenting sex interests and that has included a successful voyage into her ejaculatory orgasm potential and the flowing waters of the goddess. We have just begun listening to the 4 CD KSMO library and are in very early practising of the KS. We will do some posting in the Couples chat area when they are focused on mutuality.

Prostate centred sex has been part of my world since the earliest teen explorations of my body and sexual responses. I used model missiles for anal stimulation and then to massage my prostate as a teen. Parallel to that, I experienced, without any prostate, anal, penile or any other physical stimulation, vigorous, whole body, orgasmic experiences with vivid visualizations that I call Intellectual Orgasms. I described them on the Aneros Forum as follows:

"In addition, at other times then, and without making any connection to the missile usage, or masturbation generally, I experienced what I call and discussed openly with close friends and family as "Intellectual Orgasms". I didn't mind being provocative as a youth. I was very curious and exploratory about many subjects and in late public school at age 13-14, was tagged with a high IQ.

When I found Aneros and began reading the Bee-line and Forum, I found myself and even body memories of being back in my youth with those sensations and experiences. What I was experiencing back then were dry, multiple orgasmic ecstacies which flooded my mind and body with a universal joy and peace and excitement at being part of the whole universe. I twisted and rolled and ended in a throbbing and exhausted but hugely exhilerated heap, twisted up in my bed sheets. Instead of out-of-body travel, this was through-the-body-travel.

It was like conscious or lucid dreaming with high-speed cinematic, surreal but very real metaphoric and other imagery and ideas. Not gibberish, but vast mappings and integration of the sciences and arts and histories and speculations and spiritualities and poetics...

It was energizing and enlightening and inspiring on an unprecedented scale. And very formative in integrating the mind and body, the intellect and the somatic-sensory into a whole person. I wouldn't have missed the Intellectual Orgasms experience as youth for the world. They were and have always remained crucial to who I am and how I function. Even though they ceased in my late teens or early twenties, they were very formative and their muse-like effects have lived with me ever since; essential to my creative activities and output."

Now, after a happy marriage and parenting life with relatively conventional sexual relations with my wife, including five years of reliable performance on demand during fertility clinic scheduled intercourse, we are both enjoying the opportunity to explore our orgasmic potential, having both just turned into "seniors".

We are both lovers of music and sound has always been important to us. I have long had a habit of making a sound that resonates in my prostate. We have experimented with Tantric techniques in the past and are reviving some of those now too. We have had some great energy exchange sessions recently during our mutual prostatic play: her G spot being massaged by me and mine by her, ocassionally simultaneouly, but usually sequencially.

I am well ahead and enjoying ecstatic multiple dry orgasms again (not since the Intellectual Orgasms of my youth!) from our mutual prostate massage, but still in the experimental stage with the Aneros. My intuition says that KS will be a natural for me and I think for my wife too. So we are curious and looking forward to good feelings and good dialogues here in this Forum.

artform

Artform, I wish you and Mrs. Artform a very warm welcome to our online community. Thank you very much for posting such a detailed introduction here, as well as in the Aneros forum here.

I invite you to check out Zeitgeist's recent very descriptive and representative post that I'm sure will give you some clues and encouragement as to how well this practice may integrate with your previous experiences.

Meanwhile I hope you'll both also post your individual reports of your explorations.

I really want to thank you for your detailed description of your erotic explorations as an adolescent. I think such reports are very valuable to readers to help give them some comfort in knowing that they may are not alone in exercising a considerable measure of creativity (although I hope the missles had a fairly blunt end!) and perhaps some respite from guilt they may have felt about it.

Your reports seem to be refreshingly free of guilt about your natural explorations in a culture which provides less and less permission and information about such natural explorations.

Your report about Intellectual Orgasms shows you definitely have a natural talent for this practice!

I look forward to reading how it may integrate with your extensive past experience and obviously considerable aptitude.

I love that characterization!

Wow! Fantastic!!!

I can well understand that!

Congratulations! And welcome to the next thrilling phase of your life!

I tend to agree, and look forward to reading of your discoveries both individual and mutual.

Most wonderful! The feeling is mutual!

All the very best to you both,
Jack

As discussed on today's live chat, I had a breakthrough this morning when using KS for the first time during an aneros session, the KS reliably triggered repeatedly far stronger involuntary muscle contractions and massage than any previous aneros session I've had. The feelings in both practices have expanded significantly and the sense of the body exercising a will of its own is becoming much more deeply rooted, even insistent.

That's great news, artform. How about that insistent aspect!

Thanks again for your thoughtful and heartful contributions to Chat 0275* as well...

Wishing you even more of the best,
Jack

Thanks very much Jack for everything!

The following is an edited version of the post I just made in the Aneros Forum too:

I am so stimulated I can hardly contain it! That same day as the KSMO Live Chat, in the morning I had an aneros session which had to be brief, an hour max. Not normally an auspicious way to begin. However, once relaxed and again practicing the "push out" and some other things that I have found really improve the mobility and massage results, I decided to try the KS from KSMO for the first time during an aneros session.

Up to this point with aneros, the involuntaries I've experiences are faint and brief although they do repeat, coming and going and coming and going... This and other sensations are pleasant and I have been patiently waiting for the next step up. The moment I did the KS the involuntaries increased in magnitude tremendously. If they started to diminsh at all, I did the KS again and they were instantly back to full tilt. The massage was amazing and yet I was facing the deadline and finished off hands on, feeling that I could have gone on to greater things then with more time.

But that breakthrough isn't all. Yesterday as my wife and I were awaking in bed, I had a back muscle spasm (Myoclonus, originally diagnosed as Parkinson's) and suddenly there was an energy buzz in the lower spine and butt. (I've often had Butt Buzz the day after an aneros session, right up to Chair-gasms/Car-gasms.)

This energy buzz grew and spread into a horseshoe down the inside of both thighs. Then it began in waves to move up my body and it built and built until I was involuntarily weeping with joy. I tried to regain control but it would not be supressed in the slightest. These and other sensations continued for well over an hour, even as I got up and attended to other things because again we were facing a deadline for a social event. Even as the energy flows finally were subsiding, the briefest KS would restart the energy flow! I bounced through the social events with great elan, and am looking forward to my next aneros/KS session!!!

These energy flows are closest in my experience to the "golden tree" type of slow spinal orgasm that I have had using certain Tantric techniques. Unlike the dry multiples that I have been having from my wife fingering my prostate, where I do have whole body muscle spasms, bopping and flopping about, these energy flows are intensely within the body and not animating the muscles.

My wife and I have been having some great renewed explorations with energy flowing and energy sharing too. About a week ago, while I was massaging her prostate (G-spot) slowly and gently, and massaging her anus, her anal sphincters began giving off a regular energy discharge of unfolding spiral packets to my fingers, completing some kind if circuit that had my lower abdomen and legs down to my ankles buzzing with fuzzy energy that was warm, tingling and truly delightful.

Finally, back to the aneros/KS session that triggered all of the day after buzz and connecting to my original post here about the I-Os of my youth: the greatly strengthened involuntaries also made me relax and I found myself easily and involuntarily drifting down in consciousness into hypnagogia and lucid free-association dream-like states, with the executive function able to control this and move back up to full consciousness at will. I-O's possibly within sight too!!!

We have enjoyed more new sensations and breakthroughs with the combined Aneros and Key Sound usage and I've posted those in the Couple subforum today. Wow!!!