Hey Pan,

You certainly gave me a lot to think about.

Your opinion about not combining KSMO with other practices is a bit different from Jack’s and one I haven’t heard before (or perhaps I had forgotten). I thought that I was on protocol as long as I practiced KSMO by itself with a day off afterwards. As long as I did that, I was free to pursue other practices.

For me, I look at the Maxwell DVD and ESO book as an enhancement to my masturbation sessions rather than as a pursuit of MMOs. An MMO may be the end result, but I’m just hoping to extend and enhance the pleasure of those sessions. I’m not expecting the KSMO and Aneros orgasms to be the same as the ones I have during my masturbation sessions, so perhaps for me, that should help me avoid thinking that MMOs through physical stimulation is the only way to go. BTW, the ESO book mentions the Aneros as a way of stimulating the prostate internally and externally so that’s probably why they have it listed on the website.

In regards to my use of the Aneros, I started using it before I started with KSMO, so I was already hooked on it. In fact, it was the postings on the Aneros website that led me here. Most of them mentioned that KSMO was a complement to the Aneros. It’s funny reading them now. Some users mentioned that they practiced KSMO exclusively but in the same paragraph describe how they complement one another. Perhaps what they didn’t realize is that they can be complementary only after you have achieved MMOs using KSMO exclusively. For now though, I’m really enjoying the physical stimulation and sensations that I get from using the Aneros, so I doubt that I’d be able to drop it and adopt KSMO exclusively. That might be an ideal solution, but with some KSMO practitioners taking up to 2 years to achieve MMOs, I don’t think I could do without my little backdoor buddies for that long!

I would like to mention though that the allure of experiencing MMOs naturally without any devices or other stimuli is very compelling and has helped me to see KSMO in a new light, and I wanted to thank you for that.

In closing, you may be right that combining these practices may hinder me, but I hope you’re wrong. I guess as long as I’m having fun along the way and don’t get too frustrated, then it’ll all work out. For me, all of these devices, techniques, and practices are still new and exciting and as a typical American, I want to experience it all and I want to experience it all, right now! Compared to your years of experience, I have less than a year under my belt, so I’m still quite the newbie. In time I may settle down and decide to concentrate on one practice, but for now I guess I’m still in an experimental stage.

Thanks for the thoughtful and caring reply,

Onthepath

Thanks very much redneck.

I have to agree - in my experience the KSMO journey truly is an unending one!

Hi Again



Well, the Protocol has evolved a bit over the years and there have been times when I wasn't able to keep track of things here as they developed. But for as long I can remember, Jack's advice to new practitioners has been to postpone the addition of alternate MMO techniques (including devices like the Aneros) until one has become fully multi-orgasmic using KSMO alone.

I don't know. Maybe I missed something in my absence...?

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Originally Posted by Onthepath I thought that I was on protocol as long as I practiced KSMO by itself with a day off afterwards.

Yes, that meets the current standards of being on Protocol as I understand it. But like I said, it has evolved over time. When I first began practicing, the "day off" requirement wasn't even part of the Protocol. Personally, I practiced every day for months at a time.

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Originally Posted by Onthepath As long as I did that, I was free to pursue other practices.

I think it's important to say that, regardless of what the Protocol says, you ARE free use or modify KSMO however you wish. I'm merely giving recommendations based on observation and experience. There are no "rules" here. I think the most important lesson Jack teaches is simply to "follow your echo effects," i.e. do whatever works for you.



Well, again I'm not in a position to comment on ESO, but the Maxwell technique is designed purely for one purpose - to achieve MMO's in a very direct way. It's simply my opinion (and nothing more) that because the Maxwell way and the KSMO way are so completely opposite from each other that it could be somewhat "confusing" to try learning both simultaneously.

Of course, everyone is different. There's no way to say for sure what will and will not be effective for you as an individual. I can only offer my opinion based on some general tendencies I've noticed over the years.

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Originally Posted by Onthepath I’m not expecting the KSMO and Aneros orgasms to be the same as the ones I have during my masturbation sessions, so perhaps for me, that should help me avoid thinking that MMOs through physical stimulation is the only way to go.

Well, yes part of my concern is that men who have no prior experience with any MMO technique may stumble onto the Maxwell technique and believe that that's as good as it gets and seek no further.

But my other concern, is that if one first experiences the "instant gratification" MMO's as achieved through the Maxwell technique, it may be difficult to have the patience to continue learning a more subtle and yet ultimately more profound technique like KSMO.

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Originally Posted by Onthepath BTW, the ESO book mentions the Aneros as a way of stimulating the prostate internally and externally so that’s probably why they have it listed on the website.

Just for clarification - are you saying ESO is mentioned at the Aneros website or that the Aneros is mentioned as the ESO website?

I can certainly understand that!

LOL! Well, I think the cool thing is that there have been many converts on both sides over the years. I do believe that ideally, it's easier to learn KSMO first. But if someone has already been using the Aneros and not yet achieved the Super-O, KSMO could be a great help. And of course, they might as well keep using the Aneros anyway. After all, it's something they've already gotten use to!

Actually, this kinda illustrates my point about the Maxwell technique. It's a lot like the Aneros in that, once you try it, you may be reluctant to give it up, even if it isn't completely satisfying, and therefore, end up with yet another potential distraction from a more fulfilling experience.

You're very welcome!



I'm not sure "right and wrong" really apply here. But I do wish you success no matter how you choose to approach MMO's.

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Originally Posted by Onthepath I guess as long as I’m having fun along the way and don’t get too frustrated, then it’ll all work out.

Yep! That's the only real "rule" to follow!

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Originally Posted by Onthepath For me, all of these devices, techniques, and practices are still new and exciting and as a typical American, I want to experience it all and I want to experience it all, right now!

LOL! I know that feeling!

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Originally Posted by Onthepath Compared to your years of experience, I have less than a year under my belt, so I’m still quite the newbie. In time I may settle down and decide to concentrate on one practice, but for now I guess I’m still in an experimental stage.

Hey, experimentation is great. After all, that's how we got KSMO! I'm sure you're going to get what you're looking for one way or another. And as long as you're having fun, who cares what path(s) you take to get there? Who knows, maybe when you arrive, you'll have found something new to teach the rest of us!

I just hope you'll keep us posted on your journey.

Always happy to be of service!

Pan

Yes, I agree. As with the online instructions on the Aneros website, the protocol is a guideline that if followed, will hopefully allow you to see results as soon as possible. So, that's why I'm trying to follow it (in its current iteration! ) as best I can. But, if followed too rigidly, the protocol will start becoming more stressful than fun and that will probably lead the user to stop practicing it.

The ESO book is mentioned on the Aneros website in the FAQ section and also in the Press/Reviews section down at the bottom of the page. There is a link in the Press/Reviews section where you can buy it at Amazon.com. It's pretty inexpensive. There is also an ESO website www.esoecstasy.org but I think it is a shell of it's former self (The website seems to be down right now). The book mentions that you can go to this site to buy some of the "enhancement devices" (cock rings, penis pumps, etc.) mentioned in the book, but the store is no longer up and running. With all of the sex toy stores on the internet, they probably didn't get much business in that area.

Yup, I here ya, loud and clear! I had already been doing some of the techniques mentioned in the ESO book for a while, but it's given me some additional things to try, so it's not totally new to me and so far, I am enjoying it.

I'll do my best. As I've mentioned on the Aneros website, I'll keep writing there and here as long as I keep having new experiences. That wasn't always the case. As I told Jack some time ago, I'm more of a reader than a writer, and I still am for the most part, but I'm opening up a little and getting more comfortable with sharing my experiences.

Just to let you know,

I got the Maxwell DVD today! It's amazing how fast it was delivered. And yes, it is funny. I'm thinking of some of the scenes right now and it's cracking me up! Most of it covered things I already knew, but it did introduce a few new things to try so for that, plus it's entertaining style and low price, it was certainly worth buying. I've been through the 30 minute minute main part, but I haven't gone through the bonus sections yet.

Well, that's it for now. Time to end this so I can have a KSMO session!

Onthepath

I was reading these posts about the Maxwell method the other day and I wasn’t sure if it coincided with the Mantak Chia stuff I was reading about several years ago. There are several methods there that deal with squeezing the PC muscle and or tensing to avoid ejaculation, which isn’t bad if you are going for a more instant gratification, ejaculatory stimulation method. It occurred to me to mention that I’d become accustomed to using PC and full body tension to draw energy/blood away from the genitals at the PONR in order to allow the orgasm to occur but avoid ejaculation, and I even had a dry wet dream once by, in my sleep, using this tensing method to avoid the ejaculation I would have otherwise experienced at orgasm.

Now that I’ve read the posts over again, I’m thinking this is NOT the total tension to stop ejaculation method Chia was talking about in his book, but something else. I did try this ‘few squeezes of the PC muscle at the PONR the other day, and it just resulted in pushing me over the PONR and causing ejaculation, because squeezing the PC muscle when I’m already near the edge simply acts as more stimulation. Maybe I wasn’t timing it right. Have had what I call “pre-orgasms” before that involve pulsating of the penis and a sort of orgasmic feel (but VERY mild), but that still keep me near the edge. I might have to work on this some more to see if I can go anywhere with it.

However, having been reminded of the full tension method, I tried it this morning for the first time in years and was reminded of how useful it can be. It’s more or less a “forced” dry orgasm. I’ve been fasting from direct stimulation lately in order to better explore the KSMO feelings in my body, and I just wanted a little release. This gave me that chance, but without any noticeable loss of energy, sexual or otherwise, since I didn’t ejaculate.

I’d be interested to hear if anyone else had used this full tension method, or the “pinching off just under the scrotum” method…this is something I’ve used quite a lot over the years, partially because it allows convenient full stimulation but without the mess, and also because pressing down just below the base of the penis is actually a hot spot as well, so optimally it stops full ejaculation and is very stimulating to boot. Though there is still energy loss, because eve though full ejaculation does not happen, it’s not quite a dry orgasm. I’m not sure what the difference is, but I feel there is one. I prefer the dry orgasms.

Just to be clear, I don’t consider these a viable alternative to KSMO, just a possible alternative on those non-practice days or times when one needs a little change of pace. Thoughts? . . .