Jack,

I am interested in what you have to teach and I have a question about it's origins. Your technique reminds me very much of several meditation techniques that have been practiced for quite some time by many of the worlds mystical religions. Did you have any previous experience with any meditations prior to publishing you technique?

I do not want to be disrespectful, nor am I implying that you have stolen anything. The use of the Key Sound is very similar to the use of a Mantra in Eastern meditations. But the similarities between the results of meditations that use a Mantra and those
that don't are too striking to conclude that the Mantra is the important part of the
meditation. I believe that the sound of the Mantra is a training tool and can be discarded after a certain stage in the meditation process. Do you feel that this is
true with the Key Sound as well? If not, may I make a suggestion? Try to feel how the Key Sound effects your body. Pay close attention and then try to duplicate those affects without the use of the sound.

Keep in mind that I have done little meditation, and I have never tried you method, but I believe from you description of the use of energy, and the use of the Key Sound that after time, it will be possible to produce the same results without sound tool.
Ultimately, it should be possible for the feelings produced from you technique to
supercharge you with energy that will last all day.

I also think that you should try expand you goal of this technique. Because of its
similarities to other forms of meditation, I believe that after several years you should
find other rewards. Don't set the orgasmic experience as a destination. If that is were
you want to go, then you will get there. In other meditations such experience are seen
as a welcome side-effect. The ultimate goal is to seek "Perfection" in Christian
mysticism. In Bhuddism and other Eastern mystic religions the goal is harmony and peace.

Thank you for you time, and I plan to purchase your seminar in the
future,

smw

On 8/27/97 6:40:13 AM, Anonymous wrote:
>Jack,
>
>I am interested in what you
>have to teach and I have a
>question about it's origins.

Check out the chat of September 11, 1996 at
http://www.multiples.com/chats/male_...m_chat0038.htm for a description of the origins of my discovery.

>Your technique reminds me very
>much of several meditation
>techniques that have been
>practiced for quite some time
>by many of the worlds mystical
>religions.
Yes, Tantra, Tao, Qi Gong... so many have pointed in this direction.


>Did you have any
>previous experience with any
>meditations prior to
>publishing you technique?

Yes with various meditations, but no formal training in the above-mentioned disciplines. Instead, throughout my adult life I have used meditative/intuitive practices to make discoveries such as this.

>I do not want to be
>disrespectful,
no offense taken! Thanks for your concern.


> nor am I
>implying that you have stolen
>anything.

Nope, in fact I've asked often for people to let me know of anything published prior to my publication back in 94/95 of the use of the SPECIFIC Key Sound I've described and demonstrated as an ALTERNATIVE to holdback and squeeze techniques.

>The use of the Key
>Sound is very similar to the
>use of a Mantra in Eastern
>meditations.

Yes it is. As is the importance of breath, etc. With MMO I definitely feel I stand on the shoulders of those who have published and taught these practices.

Nevertheless, the specific sound which I discovered I find produces very specific results because of the way it is formed of (at least) two parts and the way the transition between these two parts usually requires one to automatically move the stomach muscles in a way which seems to trigger these waves/pulses of pleasure.


> But the
>similarities between the
>results of meditations that
>use a Mantra and those
>that don't are too striking to
>conclude that the Mantra is
>the important part of the
>meditation. I believe that
>the sound of the Mantra is a
>training tool and can be
>discarded after a certain
>stage in the meditation
>process. Do you feel that
>this is
>true with the Key Sound as
>well?

The Key Sound tends to be replaced by the spontaneous (but similarly compounded) sounds expressing the pleasure of the waves.

One can try NOT making any sound as a way to explore pumping the energy further, but the fact remains that COMPLETE expression and vocalization can allow tremendously intense orgasms which bypass (rather than "prevent") ejaculation.

As stated elsewhere, it is more or less a VOCAL "ejaculation" of energy.
> If not, may I make a

>suggestion? Try to feel how
>the Key Sound effects your
>body. Pay close attention and
>then try to duplicate those
>affects without the use of the
>sound.

This can be done by moving the stomach muscles in an analogous way.

Additionally, as described by MikeB in early chats found in the archive
http://www.multiples.com/chats/multi..._archives.html

One can _imagine_ making the Key Sound, and allowing the muscles to move AS IF s/he's making the Key Sound can trigger these waves.

____Nevertheless_____ MANY men through shame-based enculturation regarding sex have a lot of blockage around allowing FULL expression of erotic sound. There remains TREMENDOUS power in ALLOWING these sounds to happen as the waves occur.

Shaping these sounds so they have that stomach-moving roll in the middle seems to stimulate further waves.

>Keep in mind that I have done
>little meditation, and I have
>never tried you method, but I
>believe from you description
>of the use of energy, and the
>use of the Key Sound that
>after time, it will be
>possible to produce the same
>results without sound tool.

I would say other pleasurable results, but I would disagree strongly that they will be the same effects. I hope you will take the time to practice the Key Sound through fully orgasmic experience (without ejaculation or even a feeling of having to hold back ejaculation) to discover this for yourself.

>Ultimately, it should be
>possible for the feelings
>produced from you technique to
>supercharge you with energy
>that will last all day.

This is exactly correct and has been reported here and in past chats. Please check out the chat archive for such reports.

>I also think that you should
>try expand you goal of this
>technique. Because of its
>similarities to other forms of
>meditation, I believe that
>after several years you should
>find other rewards. Don't set
>the orgasmic experience as a
>destination.

For me the orgasm is a vehicle for INTIMACY, and a deeper connection with Divinity and with the Beloved, be a Beloved Other as well as with the Beloved Self.

>If that is were
>you want to go, then you will
>get there. In other
>meditations such experience
>are seen
>as a welcome side-effect. The
>ultimate goal is to seek
>"Perfection" in Christian
>mysticism. In Bhuddism and
>other Eastern mystic religions
>the goal is harmony and peace.
>
>Thank you for you time, and I
>plan to purchase your seminar
>in the
>future,
>
>smw
>
>

Thank you very much for your considered comments.

Jack