Hello!
This is my first post and I've viewed the website on two occasions now...pretty thoroughly, including posts. i think you're all great guys and I'm sure you spend tons of your time replying to posts and emails, so ill try to keep this brief in the hope you can do the same for me.

I'm 42 and I've known that orgasm can be separate from ejaculation since i was 17. however, my experience is not what i seem to believe Jack's course is teaching. I'm kinda surprised that i don't see anyone talking about what i experience as well.

When i orgasm, which i can do many times during stimulation, I'm fully erect and i build right up to the edge of the ejaculation reflex and get the full orgasmic pulsations.. a series of six to ten...just like when i ejaculate, and 90% as strong. then it subsides, and i build up and get them again whenever i want, even before coming back down to the normal stage.

I have the full release, with heavy breathing and heart pounding pleasure... its incredible to feel the build up potential still there after each time!! i feel like superman! after several of them, however, it gets almost impossible to land at that "place" where i know i wont ejaculate (which takes practice and concentration to find)....as the line gets too fine to see and the ejaculation reflex kicks in earlier, especially if i haven't spread them out much. but that's ok cause I'm looking forward to a great ejaculation/orgasm by that point and I'm getting exhausted!

I've even gotten to the point where i often don't need to stop the stimulation at all...or if i do i can resume it during the orgasm! there is no feeling of frustration or distracting effort involved, no tightening of anything or strain whatsoever, just a matter of becoming aware of when and how things want to happen. recently i surprised myself with a triple orgasm.....about 20-25 deep continuous contractions, during constant oral stimulation ...i didn't know when it would end (not that i wanted it to) but i knew i wasn't gonna shoot!!! When i recovered and could breath and speak again...i tried for another but the ejaculation took over with a vengeance like I've never felt and it was great!

I can enjoy my orgasms as soon and as frequently as i can get to the build up stage to ejaculation. it doesn't take a whole afternoon. and if i don't ejaculate at all... it doesn't bother me (but i always like to).
I have taught this technique to some younger guys (i think it should be mandatory for every guy) who love it and are getting the contractions (though weakly at first) and learning to recognize where the line is more precisely and find that "place".....and I'm pretty good at explaining how to practice it.

So my issue is, that what I'm "reading" from
Jack's method is a bit different....waves that continue...prostate orgasmic sensations (I've felt those too), "echo effect" of pulsations below the scrotum...those things aren't new to me....I'm sure they can be developed, and I've never done any kind of special breathing or key sounds, nor looked for that special place to massage...(but i will!), but can they be mind blowing like those hard contractions?

I would LOVE to hear your thoughts, comments and comparisons...and ill certainly consider buying the audio cd and trying the technique if it could benefit me further. i would also be happy to answer any questions you may have about what I've said...i could go into great detail, but tried to be somewhat concise...i hope you'll take the time to reply to me...as a fellow orgasm enthusiast!!

Thank you so much for reading this....

Dano

P.S.
Also, i have a great fascination with large quantities of semen and shooting far, and would enjoy being able to increase my modest quantity and distance. i cant seem to find much useful information on the subject. I've tried Kegels a bit...but it feels like I'm strong enough down there...i can easily do a couple hundred squeezes in a row..i dunno..is that going to make the difference? and what about quantity? I've always noticed that for some reason i don't get increased results after spending time at the upper levels or having had orgasms like most people do. Only when I'm extremely turned on by the person I'm with can i see an increase. this may not be your area of expertise...but any leads would be greatly appreciated.

On 2/15/04 10:56:00 PM, Dano wrote:
>Hello!
>This is my first post and I've
>viewed the website on two
>occasions now...pretty
>thoroughly, including posts.
>i think you're all great guys
>and I'm sure you spend tons of
>your time replying to posts
>and emails, so ill try to keep
>this brief in the hope you can
>do the same for me.
>
Hey Dano,
Welcome to the forum! You've made some terrific questions and points here. I think this will make for an excellent discussion!

>I'm 42 and I've known that
>orgasm can be separate from
>ejaculation since i was 17.
>however, my experience is not
>what i seem to believe Jack's
>course is teaching. I'm kinda
>surprised that i don't see
>anyone talking about what i
>experience as well.
>

I think the main reason why you haven't seen it discussed a great deal here is because Jack's technique is so completely different from the usual ejaculation control approach. Many of the folks here (myself included) actually came here as "refugees" from the classic ejaculation control/PC squeezing methods, looking for something different.

If you browse the posts and archived chats long enough, you're bound to run into various stories from men (myself included) who had tried those techniques and either failed to achieve what they desired from those practices, or simply wanted to enjoy pleasure and multiple orgasms without having to maintain ANY form of control at all.

The ability to completely let go into multiple orgasms and to explore and enjoy that pleasure freely, is what makes Jack's technique such a revolutionary breakthrough, IMHO. At least for me, the experience of orgasming "like a woman," continuously and without the need for effort or control, is so profound, that in my 4 years of practice, I am nowhere near capable of accurately describing it in words.

In most (but not all) situations where I've heard men describe having multiple orgasms using PC/control techniques, they almost always compare them as "similar" or "just like" ejaculatory orgasms, but without a loss of arousal. Although some of the orgasms I've felt through KSMO could be described in that way, a great many of them simply defy comparison to "normal" sexual pleasures. Suffice it to say, they generally feel far, FAR "better" than ejaculatory orgasms!

I think there in lies the perceived lack of interest in the "classic MMO" techniques around here. Not to say they are without merit. They're great too of course! But the challenge of describing the ever-evolving sensations in this practice just holds a much greater fascination for me personally, and I think a fair number of the other folks round here as well.

Like I said, I've been practicing KSMO for over 4 years and of all the questions I've seen in that time, to this day nothing stumps me like, "What does it FEEL like?" ;-)

Ok, enough of that, let's get to the "meat" of things, yes?...


>When i orgasm, which i can do
>many times during stimulation,
>I'm fully erect and i build
>right up to the edge of the
>ejaculation reflex and get the
>full orgasmic pulsations.. a
>series of six to ten...just
>like when i ejaculate, and 90%
>as strong. then it subsides,
>and i build up and get them
>again whenever i want, even
>before coming back down to the
>normal stage.

Well of course that sounds wonderful! And it's an EXCELLENT testament as to why the classic MMO techniques have been and continue to be so popular over thousands of years and across many cultures.

Now for some comparisons: With KSMO, erection is irrelevant. That is to say, it works equally well with and without erection, and so it's an option (in solo practice anyway!) rather than a necessity.

RE: building "up to the edge," here's where KSMO and all other systems (that I know of) truly take different paths. I like to call the "classic" building and control techniques a game of "Orgasmic Chicken." That is to say, "how far can I push it without crashing?"

My experience with KSMO is more akin to a slow and steady rise in arousal. I would say it's more like floating as opposed to stepping on the gas! This rise in arousal is accented by waves of orgasmic pleasure which grow in size, potency, and frequency, until I (EFFORTLESSLY) reach a place we call "The Zone."

This "Zone" is a point in a session where the sensation of "orgasm" stretches out continuously and indefinitely, literally as long as one desires, while at the same enjoying an utterly relaxed and fully aware state of being, much like meditation.

In my experience, this state of deep relaxation and awareness allows for more enjoyment of each and every sensation of pleasure, from subtle to earth-shattering.

>
>I have the full release, with
>heavy breathing and heart
>pounding pleasure... its
>incredible to feel the build
>up potential still there after
>each time!! i feel like
>superman!

That's great! This is somewhat similar to how I'd describe my experiences. Except with regards to a "build up each time." To me, the difference lies in the "full release." Rather than a series of INDIVIDUAL orgasmic releases, the whole-body, gradual building of arousal and orgasmic sensation I get from KSMO, creates a feeling of an "orgasmic ocean" within me, and the more I release MYSELF, the more open I become to that ever-present ecstasy, regardless of any "build ups."

I would compare this like the difference between a well pump and a fire hose. The pump continues to flow as long as EFFORT is exerted to maintain it. With the fire hose, all that is required is to "open the nozzle" and hang on for the ride! The more one is able to open that nozzle, the greater the flow, and once that's done, no effort is required!

after several of
>them, however, it gets almost
>impossible to land at that
>"place" where i know i wont
>ejaculate

And here's a HUGE reason why I prefer KSMO! Once you've truly learned this new way of enjoying pleasure and multiple orgasms, there simply is no longer a "place" where you go over "the edge." In fact, there IS NO EDGE!" You're TRULY FREE to feel and enjoy as much pleasure and orgasmic ecstasy as you want for as long as you desire without ever having to worry about CONTROL! Best of all, ejaculation is always there if you CHOOSE it, and far more enhanced when you've already enjoyed ALL the orgasms you want first!


as the line gets too
>fine to see and the
>ejaculation reflex kicks in
>earlier, especially if i
>haven't spread them out much.
>but that's ok cause I'm
>looking forward to a great
>ejaculation/orgasm by that
>point and I'm getting
>exhausted!

And that would be the effort aspect of the control techniques that I always found unsatisfying. Just the idea of control and orgasm occurring simultaneously seems illogical to me.

Again, comparing with KSMO, as long as I am following the Protocol, I will continue to feel greater and greater amounts of pleasure and ecstasy, but never come anywhere near my Point of No Return. In fact, once I get going in my session, that line never moves, and yet my pleasure is free to take off. The sky's the limit!

Regarding exhaustion, I would say that's a by-product of the need to keep "priming the pump," in order to "climb" to the next orgasm.

With KSMO, my orgasms are more like a constant tide. The waves continue to roll in as long as I decide to stay on my surf board, so-to-speak! In other words, they come TO ME, rather me having to seek them out.

The result is, I can't recall a single time in 4 years that I ever felt exhausted from a session, whether I go for 30 min or 3 hours! If anything, I usually feel energized and "alive" after a session, even if I ejaculate. The only reasons I ever have for stopping are either because I have other things to do, or I simply feel "maxed out" on the amount of pleasure I can take for that day!
>
>I've even gotten to the point
>where i often don't need to
>stop the stimulation at
>all...or if i do i can resume
>it during the orgasm!

I have to say, that IS impressive and certainly shows a great deal of mastery with your control techniques. I never reached that anywhere near that level of control using the PC methods.

But again, comparing with KSMO, since there's no build up, there's no "edge" for me to worry about. So stimulation isn't really an issue. As long as I take it easy in the beginning, allowing myself time to become fully aroused, there's essentially no chance that I'll accidently ejaculate no matter how much pleasure I feel or stimulation I use.

Truth be told, I would say without having ever really timed myself, my longest continuous orgasm was approximately 45 minutes long, and I enjoyed steady, relaxed stimulation throughout the experience.

I suppose that sounds odd or perhaps unbelievable, but it's simply the difference between "teasing" the ejaculatory process and UNLEASHING the orgasmic energy already within you. Like I said, the pump vs. the fire hose. For me, the fire hose is both easier AND more pleasurable...

there
>is no feeling of frustration
>or distracting effort
>involved, no tightening of
>anything or strain whatsoever,

Again, this is really impressive! I have personally almost never heard anyone say this about an ejaculatory control technique (short of long-term, dedicated Tantra practitioners). You must be VERY skilled indeed!

>just a matter of becoming
>aware of when and how things
>want to happen.

Whattya know? That's EXACTLY how I'd describe KSMO! LOL!

recently i
>surprised myself with a triple
>orgasm.....about 20-25 deep
>continuous contractions,
>during constant oral
>stimulation ...i didn't know
>when it would end (not that i
>wanted it to) but i knew i
>wasn't gonna shoot!!!

Very cool! Again, this is where it's difficult to compare KSMO orgasms with the classic techniques, since they can't always be compared with ejaculatory-like orgasms/PC contractions. Some are exactly like that, others, like Heartgasms, are so unique, it's hard to find words to describe them. And of course, it varies from person to person and session to session!


When i
>recovered and could breath and
>speak again...i tried for
>another but the ejaculation
>took over with a vengeance
>like I've never felt and it
>was great!

And here is another MAJOR difference! I've had some incredible "peak orgasms" like a feeling that TIME STOPS and an orgasm goes on "forever," or others that I call "slow-motion ejac's" where I feel exactly like I'm ejaculating, but the PC contractions slow down, lasting for 2-3 seconds each, going on for a couple minutes continuously, without any loss of fluid or arousal. The DIFFERENCE is, no matter how amazing they are, these orgasms never prevent me from pursuing MORE orgasms!
>
>I can enjoy my orgasms as soon
>and as frequently as i can get
>to the build up stage to
>ejaculation.

Very cool. Again, with KSMO, no effort or build up necessary, orgasms can come in periodic waves, or a non-stop flow, etc...

it doesn't take
>a whole afternoon. and if i
>don't ejaculate at all...
>it doesn't bother me (but i
>always like to).

Since I've learned KSMO, I went from ejaculating on average 3 times a day to about 2-4 times a month, although I generally enjoy orgasms for about an hour every day. I don't deliberately hold back, I simply tend to already feel totally satisfied without the need for a "Big Bang" at the end.


>I have taught this technique
>to some younger guys (i think
>it should be mandatory for
>every guy) who love it and are
>getting the contractions
>(though weakly at first) and
>learning to recognize where
>the line is more precisely and
>find that "place".....and I'm
>pretty good at explaining how
>to practice it.

Well you certainly sound like you know you're stuff!
>
>So my issue is, that what I'm
>"reading" from
>Jack's method is a bit
>different....waves that
>continue...prostate orgasmic
>sensations (I've felt those
>too),

Right...

"echo effect" of
>pulsations below the
>scrotum...

Actually, "Echo Effects," are pleasurable sensations that follow the use of the Key Sound. They certainly may include the scrotum or perineum or penis, but can also involve any and all parts of the body, separately or simultaneously, and even refer to emotional "highs" as well. Basically, "echoes" are anything that feels pleasurable following a Key Sound, whether subtle or profound.


those things aren't
>new to me....I'm sure they can
>be developed,

Not to split hairs or anything, but actually Echo Effects aren't 'developed,' they are experienced and ALLOWED to BE EXPERIENCED. It's a common misconception in this practice that one can "make it happen," but that's part of the "other approach" to MMO's.

In this practice, the goal is to open up to these new feelings already within us, to "open the nozzle," and experience the flow rather than try to "pump it out." ;-)

and I've never
>done any kind of special
>breathing or key sounds, nor
>looked for that special place
>to massage...(but i will!),

Ah yes, the perineal "Hot Spots," my personal favorites! I highly recommend taking the time... :-)


>but can they be mind blowing
>like those hard contractions?

LOL! After everything I've just typed up there, do I have to answer that?!? Ok...

ABSOLUTELY they can and ARE! In fact, there simply is NO COMPARISON in my opinion. Contractions are just ONE aspect of orgasm and they occur with KSMO regardless.

But what every other technique I know of fails to offer is the COUNTLESS variety of orgasmic pleasures and the FREEDOM to enjoy them that KSMO does. Not to mention the emotional and spiritual highs I enjoy through this practice! It's not just "mind blowing," it's ecstasy in body, heart and soul, at least for me anyway.
>
>I would LOVE to hear your
>thoughts, comments and
>comparisons...and ill
>certainly consider buying the
>audio cd and trying the
>technique if it could benefit
>me further. i would also be
>happy to answer any questions
>you may have about what I've
>said...i could go into great
>detail, but tried to be
>somewhat concise...i hope
>you'll take the time to reply
>to me...as a fellow orgasm
>enthusiast!!
>
>Thank you so much for reading
>this....
>
>Dano

Well thank YOU so much for bringing your wealth of experience to this forum!

I really appreciate you taking the time to share your own MMO techniques with everyone. These exchanges are so important for defining what makes KSMO the rare gem that it is.

You started a great topic and I hope it flourishes, provided people don't mind my incredibly long-winded reply! But I hope I've managed to clarify some points for you somewhere in all that. (blush)
>
>P.S.
>Also, i have a great
>fascination with large
>quantities of semen and
>shooting far, and would enjoy
>being able to increase my
>modest quantity and distance.
>i cant seem to find much
>useful information on the
>subject. I've tried Kegels a
>bit...but it feels like I'm
>strong enough down there...i
>can easily do a couple hundred
>squeezes in a row..i dunno..is
>that going to make the
>difference? and what about
>quantity?

I'm no expert, but I've always heard that Kegels are a helpful exercise for maintaining/improving the force of emissions i.e. distance.

As for quantity, that's another story. I'm familiar with certain herbs that are known to (and in my experience do) increase the amount of fluid in ejaculations. But I'm not sure that's an appropriate topic for the forum. I'll check with Jack about posting them somewhere...

I've always noticed
>that for some reason i don't
>get increased results after
>spending time at the upper
>levels or having had orgasms
>like most people do. Only when
>I'm extremely turned on by the
>person I'm with can i see an
>increase. this may not be your
>area of expertise...but any
>leads would be greatly
>appreciated.

Well, here's the funny thing...I also tend to get the "biggest bangs" when I'm extremely AROUSED by a partner or some other new and exciting form of stimulation...and guess what KSMO is designed to do...? ;-)

Jack's technique teaches us how to allow our arousal (turned on feelings) to reach such INCREDIBLE heights that orgasms just start to trigger AUTOMATICALLY. But that arousal just continues to rise as long as you continue your session, so IF/when you DECIDE to ejaculate, chances are it will be considerably larger/more forceful than what you normally experience. It certainly is for me!

PHEW! Ok, I hope I haven't lulled anyone to sleep out there! Thanks again for your post Dano, and I hope to hear back from you soon!

Best Wishes,

Pan :-)

Pan,

Thanks for your quick and detailed response to my post. You've given me a lot to think about and explore! I never realized that KSMO could actually produce stronger and more satisfying feelings than the contractions associated with ejaculation (actually, it's those intense contractions and getting "out of breath" that cause me to become exhausted after a while; my build up is always easy for me, thank God). I realize that more/longer feelings of ecstasy is better....even if it doesn't start out being earth-shattering...but it's good to know that KSMO can produce those intense orgasms as well and they can maintain themselves!

Thanks again, Pan and feel free to email me regarding those herbs...

Dano