Session start: Sat Jul 17 23:19:18 2010
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20100716
Jack> Chat hosted by me begins in about 2 hours at 7PM Pacific Daylight Time. I hope to see you here!
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20100718 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Laly> hi Jack
mountainman> hi everyone
Jack> Hi Laly! I hope you had a great flight home!
Laly> hello mountainman.
Laly> not quite un-eventful Jack...
Deep Psyche> Hiya Jack + Laly + mountainman
mountainman> hi laly
Jack> Very Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie, mountainman
Jack> Hi Deep Psyche!
mountainman> hello!
Laly> flights were good tho.
Laly> hi deep psyche.
mountainman> yes, just created my account five minutes ago
Laly> OMG-- rumeeelll (runs n hugss)
Laly> great mountainman!!
Laly> welcome to the KSMO family.
mountainman> thanks!
Jack> Laly, I'm very glad to hear that you had good flights all the way through.
Laly> (thanks Jack)
Jack> How about, according to tradition, we pass the Talking Stick to our Newest Newbie, mountainman, to make sure he gets all of his questions answered.
rumel> Hi Laly, hugs back to you!
Laly> we here in the chat channel allow the new people to start first mountainman.
Jack> Hi rumel, Welcome Back!
Laly> (see-- Jack & I are in mind meld mode again )
mountainman> okay
rumel> Yes please introduce yourself mountainman, I'm rumel from Calif. been using KSMO for 1.5 years, male, straight, 62
Deep Psyche> splendid guesture please go ahead MM
mountainman> i bought the cd about 5 years ago and did it a few times, felt a few interestinging things but nothing too intense, then got busy and put it aside for awhile...
Jack> Mountainman, to whatever level of detail you care to while preserving your anonymity, how about you tell us a little about yourself such as rumel just has, and then let us know what your questions are?
mountainman> i'm 35 straight and married
mountainman> about 2 months ago I started again, been trying it several times a week
mountainman> I guess one of my questions is, I've been practicing the key sound a lot, but I just can't feel like its resonating
mountainman> i also have allergies and my throat is a bit sore sometiems and i wonder if that is affecting it too
Jack> mountainman, after a little bit of practice, please be sure to go ahead and post an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound to the Private Key Sound Validation Area, which shows up just below this chatbox, ok? That's VERY VERY important!
Laly> have you used jack's free service of Key Sound tuning- offered here in the forum?
mountainman> ok - that would be great!
mountainman> no i just found out about it today, but will definitely try it
Jack> Yes, it's very important to get that feedback from me!
Laly> sweet!
Jack> And to those of you who HAVE posted and have been waiting for my feedback (some, I confess, for an embarrassingly long time!) I'm now well enough and rested enough and caught up enough to start posting reviews of your Key Sounds for you!
Laly> :).
mountainman> i've also noticed a feeling in the lower part of my stomach, it is a medium-strong feeling, but not exactly... pleasurable -- i would describe it more as uncomfortable
mountainman> like it would feel good to get it out
mountainman> i imagine that if i could do the key sound right, it would turn into a good feeling...
Jack> Whoa! That's a pretty quick recovery after a 5 year hiatus! It's clear your body has really been waiting for you to get on with the practice! LOL ;)
Laly> yes..I am sensing that in you mountainman.
mountainman> is that normal then?
Jack> You are framing your experience in an excellent way, mountainman!
Jack> Yes, normal, and pretty exciting that your multiorgasmic Deep Self is so ready!
rumel> Is someone's sacral chakra ready to blossom?
Jack> When you notice that feeling building, just continue to breathe in a relaxing manner, and hold the intention of inviting expression of the feelings and sensations.
mountainman> well i certainly would like it to happen, but sometimes i wonder if i'm getting anywhere :):)
Jack> Yeah rumel sounds like the Garden is about to blossom!
Jack> Sure, that is quite natural to wonder!
mountainman> i'm taking it that this is a good thing then ;)
rumel> One cannot force the flower to open, one needs to let nature unfold as she will.
Laly> from what you just described M/M -- you ARE
mountainman> ha
mountainman> this "letting it unfold" is something i've been struggling with... it's like you're not trying to make it happen, and yet you're not just doing nothing, you're breathing in a certain way, etc
mountainman> this is exciting that this is a good thing -- i wasn't sure if it was or not
rumel> Yes MM, you do need to nurture your nature to enhance the bloom.
Jack> Well when you feel that energy building, mostly all you need to do is RELAX, continue your relaxing breathing, and hold an attitude of ALLOWING to happen whatever WANTS to happen.
mountainman> i guess there's a balance between "doing things" and "letting go"?
Jack> No matter how hard or long you may try to guess what it's going to be like, you'll still be surprised, thank goodness! :D
Jack> That's exactly the dynamic balance!
rumel> Isn't "letting go" doing something?
mountainman> yes I guess so :)
Jack> And the cool thing is, that most often, the actual opening may happen after or even entirely between 20 minute practice sessions.
Laly> IF i may offer a bit of advice Jack?
Jack> In fact, that's the most common pattern!
mountainman> i have to say "wow" this is encouraging!
Jack> So the good news is, all you need to do is show up for practice and do your 20 minutes, then go ahead and relax, enjoy life and perhaps when you least expect it, ta daaaaaa!
Jack> Just allow some emotional and mental room to be surprised!
mountainman> yes, i read that in one of the previous chat transcripts (just showing up) and that was definitely helpful to think of things that way, like it took the pressure off
Jack> Precisely!
Jack> And I'm glad to hear that you are studying the transcripts!
mountainman> and honestly i wasn't sure I completely "believed" in the whole non-ejaculatory orgasm thing, but i'm starting to believe it more and more
Jack> Take a look at Chat 0083.
Laly> *grins....
mountainman> ok
Jack> Yeah, the cognitive aspects tend tag along behind the actual events.
Jack> Many of try to anticipate, because like I said, that's natural, and no biggie as long as you ALSO allow the kind emotional and mental breathing room that your comments here are demonstrating.
Jack> Here's the link to Chat 0083 http://tinyurl.com/6jpru9.
rumel> I would like to hear the words of wisdom from our grinning Cheshire cat lovely 'Laly'
mountainman> okay i will check it out. thank you - and thank you laly and rumel for your encouragement!
Jack> Yeah, me too, rumel... But I want to make sure that mountainman has his questions answered first. :)
rumel> ABSOLUTELY!
Jack> Ok, great! You may certainly ask for the Talking Stick again after the others have had a chance, mountainman. Very Warm Welcome Back!!!
Jack> Please go ahead, if you will, Ms. Laly. You have the Talking Stick.
mountainman> thank you - i think that's all the questions i have at the moment
Jack> Great! Feel free to ask, if/when another question or comment comes up for you.
Laly> You kind of already answered what I was going to share with mountainman.
Jack> Oops, sorry!
Laly> but I'd like to share something that happened for me at the workshop re: letting go and trust .
Jack> Yes please!
Laly> (HEYY no apology necessary :) Jack ...I told you we're in a mind sync tonight)
Jack> Oh right, I forgot! :)
Laly> anyway .... as some may know-- Sky_walker and I flew up and met with Jack over the weekend for a KSMO get together.
Laly> We got into the topic of calm-posting.
Jack> aka Calmposting ™ For the search engine index.
Laly> (thanks )...
Laly> in my session... with S/W in the room as well as jack
Laly> I was offered the opportunity to share a dream with them.
Laly> needless to say my mind was going "no no no"
Laly> but my heart was saying " go ahead".
Laly> I now think-- "what if I didn't trust myself enough to let go"
Laly> then the 3 of us would have never gotten the great experience and feelings we did - together.
Jack> Why go there, when you already got the goodies and have proven to yourself that you DID trust yourself enough when the chips were down?
Jack> Yeah, exactly!!! :)
Laly> and (starts to cry) the 2 of them would have never gotten to meet my daughter.
Laly> not the physical sense-- but energtically
Jack> [ mountainman, these kinds of tears we call brimming as in our Emotional Cup runneth over. ]
mountainman> sounds very nice :)
Jack> Yeah mountainman, stay on the lookout for this experience in your own practice.
Laly> So I'd like to say mountainman...please take note of any sensation or feeling that may come up for you
Laly> just like you did tonight.
mountainman> i actually felt something last week that at first i thought was heartburn, but then it seemed kind of related to my breathing (i was silently practicing ksmo at work) -- i'm still not sure what it was :)
Jack> Very well articulated, Laly!
Jack> Please don't practice KSMO in any public place, or around who are not informed and who have not actually consented to participate in an erotic act with you.
Jack> You may think you're keeping a secret, but that's not the point. People WILL feel this energy, although perhaps unconcsiously... But we do NOT consider that to be ethical practice. FYI. No worries, I know you didn't realize that, but please confine practice to private circumstances.
mountainman> of course :) just when i'm in a boring meeting, i sometimes imagine that i'm making the sound while sitting there
mountainman> interesting...
Jack> Yeah, not cool to practice during a meeting.
Jack> Or in ANY public venue. Only with informed consenting adults in a private setting.
Laly> what about echo effects he may encounter Jack
Jack> I hope you'll honor that convention. :)
Laly> what can he do-- in regards to those-- if they occur in a public/work setting?
mountainman> interesting perspective - i'm guessing i have stubled onto a sensitive subject inadvertently :)
Jack> If an Echo Effect happens spontaneously without encouragement or your consciously initiating it, then it happens, but it's not cool to intentionally cultivate these processes in public.
mountainman> sorry about that :)
Jack> No worries, mountainman, it's all part of your learning process.
Jack> It's quite all right. You didn't realize the implications or the power of this practice.
Jack> Some years ago there was a chap who refused to follow this convention and he remains banned from our community until he's willing to change that behavior.
Jack> He is one of only THREE people since 1997 that I have had to ban from this community.
Jack> I'm going into this level of detail for the benefit of all who may read this, hence I'm going into some detail on the issue.
Jack> That said, thank you Laly for permitting the sidebar, please resume your sharing... :)
Laly> I am good Jack :).
mountainman> yes, and thanks for the background on that one Jack (helps me understand where you're coming from a bit more!)
Laly> This tiger is fading fast ... 15 hours and counting of wakefulness.
Jack> Does anyone have any questions for Laly at this time?
Jack> Yeah, and you prolly still have jet lag.
mountainman> I think I may be fading fast as well :)
Jack> You're very welcome mountainman!
mountainman> Thanks Jack, Laly, and rumel - you've been very encouraging!
Jack> LOL, me too. Although I didn't travel on a plane, I'm still workshop-lagged :D
Jack> Ok, anything else for this session from anyone before we wrap up?
rumel> Laly, have you noticed that the Cheshire cat in 'Alice in Wonderland' has stripes just like your tigress guide?
Deep Psyche> you get some rest jack, nothing pressing here in England my friend
Laly> not from me...
rumel> In a more light hearted vein: DuringLaly the earlier Chat today everytime the phrase 'Talking Stick' arose an animated image of a Disneyesque "Talking Stick" would pop into my inner view screen and say the words "I like to be held" which was right in line with the reframed statement by 'skippy' to "embrace" oneself. Just a case of my inner child making his presence felt I surmise.
mountainman> all good from my end
Jack> All rightey then! mountainman, please remember to go ahead and post a Key Sound sample to the Private Validation area, mountainman!
Jack> Thanks very much Deep Psyche. I hope you have found this discussion informative. :)
Jack> I wish you the very best!
mountainman> will do! thks again
Laly> :D -- nice rumel.
Jack> Rumel, that is VERY cool Talking Stick Story! One of the best I've heard! I LIKE that part about I like to be held. Very cool! I hope you'll add that one to your Blog, for the record. :)
Laly> *purring softly
Jack> You're quite welcome mountainman! Please help spread the word!
Deep Psyche> always! so Jack, and good day to you MM, Laly, Rumel,
Jack> I hope everyone has a wonderful and wonder-full week! Sweet Dreams All!
Jack> Thanks very much Deep Psyche!
Laly> take care Deep Psyche.
rumel> Laly is that the Cheshire cat or the tigress cub purring, I suspect they are one and the same!
Laly> the tigress ....
rumel> Good night all.
Deep Psyche> You too Ms. Laly; come again MMan, by the way I too am very new you're not alone! Cheers Rumel
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20100718 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
mountainman> thanks Deep Psyche - all the best and good night to all
Jack> Cheers, eh!
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Session stop: Thu Jul 22 11:28:33 2010