Session start: Sat Jun 13 23:02:12 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090612
Jack> For some very interesting and heuristic stories use our Google Site Search Tool (right side of second horizontal menu bar near the top of every Forum page) and in the white box, using double quotes enter: "microcosmic orbit". And feel free to post replies to any threads that inspire you and reference them and the stories' impact in your blog. This anchors learning for you, and brings these Gold Nuggets to the surface for the benefit of others as well. All the Best, Jack
deva> hello laly, I just saw you there
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Laly> Good morning Mr. Mog :)
mog> Good evening Laly - I hope you are having a nice day:)
mog> I see that you lose track after 18. I've managed 17 but then I lose concentration!
mog> I'd like to set up some sort of counter - but it would have to be simple to operate!
mog> Must go to get evening meal on the go - partner is getting hungry:D
mog> Bye for now.
Laly> bye bye Mog :)
Laly> The only reason I lose track after 18 is because at that point the pleasure is so intense my focus is on feeling the pleasure- not thinking at all
Laly> hi tim
Laly> I see you joined our wonderful forum today- welcome
Laly> if you have any questions
Laly> feel free to ask and I'll answer them best I can
Laly> I've been practicing for 4 years now
mog> Hi again, Laly:) Yes, I lose track for exactly the same reason! I did think of placing a laptop beside me and entering a character for each event but I'm sure I couldn't handle even that.
Laly> yeah--
Laly> for me-- at some point they came so hard and so fast I couldn't keep track (count them)
deva> hey, anerosmith! congrats on your great progress!
anerosmith> hi deva
anerosmith> sorry i wasnt at the desk
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090620 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Hello!
artform> Hi Jack!
Jack> Hi artform! How are you today?
artform> Pan and I have agreed with your recent request Sire and initiated in the Lounge a thread Notes from the Wounded Wayfarers: Pan and artform for your pleasure Sire!
Jack> Thanks very much!
artform> mrs. a and I are now taking our sonic tonic with the CHAKRAS app as I just posted in that thread, and feeling better and better!
artform> Sire, you are most welcome!
Jack> Here is the link to that thread.
Jack> Your method is quite intriguing. I wonder if it might be a little confusing for newbies to fantasize about ejaculation while trying to learn this skill initially. That's not a criticism, just a concern. What do you think?
artform> I don't use that imagery. That is why I questioned Pan about that too! However, several over at Aneros have found instant assistance using the technique as Pan describes it, so good for them! I later explain my imagery in our post.
artform> In our exchange of PMs over at A-land, I confessed to not discussing aspects of my practice here or there...
Jack> I would say if it works, great! If not, revert back to basic Protocol.
artform> ...because I sometimes feel like the Bad Boy of KSMO and A-land because I mixed the practices from the beginning and do so regularly (with fantastic success, IMHO and great gratitude).
rumel> artform - you are one of the unique individuals who could pull the double protocol hat trick effectively.
Jack> Hey no worries! If it works fantastic!!! It's important to realize that using the Aneros during the 20 minute practice sessions is a form of stimulation (as is fantasy). Likewise, the Aneros puts pressure on the prostate, so that likewise is a form of stimulation.
Jack> LOL, I think rumel may have a point there. Should we for most consider that an advanced technique rather than something for newbies to try?
Jack> I tend to think so.
Jack> For example, Pan has 8 years' experience.
artform> Hey R! I think there are some unique aspects to my background, including being raised until I was six years old and then again for more than a year around puberty on the medically prescribed drug atropine!
artform> Agree re: advanced technique.
Jack> Yes I think re: atropine in such early days would be considered a special case. Of course artform, we all definitely and very appreciatively know that you are indeed a very special guy! :)
artform> Atropine is psychoactive hallucinatory relaxant used by witches and warlock to "paint" their genitalia to induce the flying consciousness!
Jack> Yes it is often thought that THAT is where the image of the witches flying through the sky riding a broom comes from!
rumel> Yes af I think you were pre-wired for this combined experiences plus your subsequent accidents required you to make wiring adjustments too.
Jack> It is thought that a natural form of atropine or similar natural substance was rubbed on the broom handle, and then they would ride the broom and the psychoactive effects would create hallucinations of flying.
Jack> I most definitely agree with rumel on that one!
artform> I am sorry the Ageless has disappeared from our site here. His stories of his birth and youth were a key to me going back and unpacking a lot early history. That has helped clear out a lot of potentially unrecognized furballs.
artform> Perhaps my handle here should have been Baby Warlock! LOL!
Jack> That's wonderful news, that it has been so helpful to you artform!
Jack> Does anyone know what's become of Ageless? He's 80, you know. I sent him an email to see if he's ok but didn't hear back from him. I certainly miss him!
Jack> Your handle, eh?
Jack> :D
Jack> (speaking of magic broom handles, and all...)
artform> To clarify the overlapping practices: I found that I got the power of the KS quickly using the protocol, partly I think as I have posted before, because I tuned it to resonate physically in my prostate...
rumel> Are we having a convocation of conjurers?
artform> ...and used KS, as Pan uses his imagery, to wildly accelerate my Aneros practice! KS amplifying the aneros stimulation. Pan and I both usually credit KS as what we would consider our foundational practice.
artform> I am going to switch to firefox; safari won't make the emoticons live!
artform> brb
Radius> Hi Jack, Rumel and Artform.
Jack> Warm greetings, Radius! How are you today?
Radius> Thanks! I'm OK thank you.
rumel> Hi Radius, how is your practice going?
Radius> I've made some progress lately!
artform> Hi Radius.
rumel> That's nice to hear.
rumel> Care to amplify?
Radius> I now get echo-effects every time I do the protocol, and I really feel the connection between deep relaxation and those feelings.
Radius> The echo effects are not full blown orgasms yet - but very pleasurable nonetheless.
Radius> I feel that I'm on the right track!
Jack> Fantastic!
Radius> yes!
Jack> During these sessions, are you at least some of the time using the single erotic caress just before the Key Sound™?
Radius> I do that all the time.
Radius> just one caress - followed by the Key Sound™
Jack> Great! The reason I've asked that is
Jack> that the erotic touch engages an automatic, that is autonomic inhale, and it's that engagement of the autonomic system, immediately amplified by the Key Sound™ that is part of the magic,
Jack> and is one of the unique aspects of my discovery.
Radius> Aha, yes I know, but I can't really get that much of an automatic gasp out of one caress though...
artform> re: :D "handle" (just to finish that thought, not interrupt), my brother who died in 1969, had been a radio announcer/host and part of the early Citizens Band radio "skip-talking" (long distance) chat groups. When he died at 19, CB friends he had never met in person came from South Carolina to his funeral. The positive energy of the emotions of those memories is always present when I chat here and at A-land. :)
artform> Congratulations Radius! Love that autonomic magic Jack! :D
artform> Handle, being the CBer's call sign. My brother, being as we are northerner Canucks, was Santa Claus!
rumel> af - that's a great thought enrgy packet!
Radius> Thank you Artform! I followed what you said about that drug you were on during youre childhood... Wow! Jack, sometimes I get the automatic gasp respnse, and then I use it off course - but it's quite rare.
artform> Living energy R!
artform> Little paint brushes can become big 747 or A380 brooms eh Jack!!;)
artform> How are your echo effects Radius?
Jack> Radius, it's NOT A GASP! And if you're trying to GET it to happen, then it's not autonomic. Just relax, do the erotic caress, followed by a gentle Key Sound™ and the rest will take care of itself! :D
Jack> Jeeeez, artform... That is a VERY moving story about your brother's death and all those who gathered. I'm VERY touched and quite pleased and grateful that you get a similarly positive experience in our community here!
Radius> Regarding the Echo-effects: It's so hard to explain - even remembering the feelings is quite hard actually. It's like a very slow, warm and sticky sensation, and sometimes I think of it as "blue" :D .
artform> Aha! Great! Do you experience synaesthesia Radius? ;)
Radius> Regarding "the gasp": Ok, yes whenever I don't get an automatic inhale response from the single caress I just use my next automatic breathing inhalation start the KS from.
Jack> Radius, re: the blue experience, use our Google Site Search tool and search on the word synesthesia.
Radius> OK, I'll do that!
Radius> I guess I experience that to an extent...
Radius> For a while I used more stimulation to trigger an automatic inhalation/gasp but that killed my echo effects so lately I just don't think of the inhalation part at all - and that seems to work.
Jack> You'll also get a few more Google Site Search results if you use Artform's classic Greek spelling: synaesthesia.
Jack> Yes Radius, it's better not to think about the inhalation, as that tends to diminish the AUTONOMIC character of it. Just trust that whenEVER you touch yourself, especially in a way that naturally feels good to you - e.g., and erotic or at least pleasurable touch, the breath DOES happen - AUTOMATICALLY... It's that automatic characteristic that engages the autonomic system.
Jack> And the Echo Effects™ are gifts from our autonomic system.
Radius> Aha, I will keep that in mind!
Jack> That was a pivotal insight or inspiration I got that was a cornerstone of the breakthrough to the KSMO discovery.
Radius> OK
Radius> ...again, the pieces are falling into place!
Jack> Wonderful! :D
artform> Jack, I use it partly from my English English training, but more deliberately because along with kinaesthetics and others, I like to resonate the root as aesthetics, which i think are part of the magic here subconsciously, and are one of the main foundational needs/responses like food and shelter and reproduction.:cool:
Jack> I totally agree and understand what you're saying there! I GROK!
rumel> art(=aesthetics)form?:)
Jack> Nice hack, rumel!
artform> Grok R!:D
artform> brb: must refuel (get lunch!)
Jack> Hurry back, artform! But take your time eating lunch! How's that for a kinda double message! ;)
Radius> So Jack, you say that any pleasurable touch creates an autonomic inhalation. However, sometimes I just don't get this... Why do you think that is? Am I not relaxed enough?
rumel> Hey af , hurry back just put Saran wrap over your keybooard and you're good to go!
Jack> I'll bet if somebody was filming you, you'd be able to see the inhale. When you experience a touch that feels good, you inhale. It's almost impossible not to!
Jack> So the good news is: You don't have to think about it!.
Radius> ok. Good!
Jack> I only mention it to give you some insight into the theory behind what appears to be a simple (and for newbies, perhaps somewhat baffling) component of the Protocol.
Radius> ...anyway, I'm making progress and that's great! How is your practice coming along Rumel?
Radius> (I appreciate it Jack!)
Jack> Warm Welcome, Drew!
Jack> Yes Radius, I agree... You are indeed making good progress, and I heartily congratulate you for it!
Drew> Hi Jack et all... Warm is right; it's freakin' HOT here!
rumel> I'm on a plateau with visions of mountaintops looming in the distance, but each session takes me closer to them.
Jack> Oh! Well then a cooool welcome, to Mr. Cool Adept Drew!
Radius> I know the feeling Rumel!
rumel> Hi Drew
Drew> Hi, Rumel.
Jack> Well I wouldn't get too attached to that cognitive frame, because...
Jack> One of THE most common themes is that the stronger Echo Effects tend to happen when you LEAST expect them to!
Radius> That's good to know!
Jack> It was one of the most surprising early discoveries with this process - that pattern. It's like your conscious mind needs to be looking totally the other way, and then... badaBING! And of course, that goes straight to the AUTONOMIC character of the Echo Effects™!
Jack> Welcome Robert and multiples!
artform> Back to OPEN and ALLOWING for me! It was the only way to relax and enjoy those early INSISTENT EEs!
artform> Bad Colour Choice! OOPS!
Jack> Radius, do you have any other questions before we offer the Talking Stick to someone else? You of course may certainly have another opportunity a little later, as I like to stay in the chat til everyone gets their questions answered.
Jack> RE: Color choices... Safari doesn't show the colors when you're trying to choose. I recommend Firefox.
Jack> Then when you get the dropdown list to choose colors, the colors will actually BE there!
artform> Back to OPEN and ALLOWING for me! It was the only way to relax and enjoy those early INSISTENT EEs!:D
Jack> Yep, open and allowing ROCKS!
artform> Thanks Jack! I left and switched to Firefox earlier even to get the emoticons!:eek:
Radius> No, I have no further questions.
Jack> I'm wondering if Robert, multiples, or Drew has a question or would like to share and thus claim the Talking Stick next?
artform> Hi Drew, Robert and multiples!
artform> While you guys are thinking...
Jack> By all means, artform! :)
artform> ...let me just say that lunch, tho' enjoyed without rumel's kindly suggested prophylactic, ended with mrs. a's amazing new dark chocolate oatmeal crumble over poached pears pie that is an orgasmic taste experience itself! :p
artform> ...Speaking of aesthetics and synaesthesia!!! :D
rumel> now you've done it, I'm starting to drool on my keyboard.
Jack> OMG artform, you're torturing us!
artform> :D R! :D
artform> Channel the energies I'm radiating to y'all!
rumel> I'll bet a little muscatel appertif would go well with that.
artform> Good thinking rumel! Or perhaps an extra-old port.
rumel> Yeah the port would blend nicely with the chocolate.
artform> [In high aesthetic moment the clown forgets the colour!:rolleyes:]
artform> Right on R!:)
helixbill> I haven't been on thw seminars because KSMO is already working so well for me!
artform> Hi helixbill and roderik!
rumel> Hi elixbill
rumel> Hi roderik
artform> Do tell HB>
helixbill> rumel is lost. He is supposed to be on the Aneros forums:)
rumel> :):)
rumel> Oh wait you're right, the Aneros Chat is tomorrow!
Jack> Welcome, helixbill!
Jack> Who has a question or comment about their Multiple Orgasm Trigger aka KSMO practice? Anybody? (just checking!) :D
Jack> We've got a lot of talent and experience in the channel at the moment... It's a great opportunity for newbies or even veterans to ask question or share and experience.
Jack> Welcome, roderik!
artform> After anyone else, I have a brief story about switching caress points.:)
artform> Hi anerosmith!
Jack> Welcome anerosmith!
anerosmith> hi all
Jack> Who'd like the Talking Stick?
anerosmith> I would please
Jack> By all means, anerosmith!
anerosmith> Just to say thanks to you and all the other adepts who have given useful advice at all times
rumel> Hey anerosmith, thanks for the link to the Chakra toning bowl sounds. It got me to working on a binaural beat sonic chakra staicase for inclusion in "Babylonbrook"
anerosmith> Rumel,youre welcome:there's a new version out in case you didnt know
anerosmith> What's Babylonbrook?Is it anything as good as Alana's hypnaerosession?Cos my credit card is waiting if it is!
artform> Yes, thanks anerosmith for pointing that out! I have downloaded the major version update and it is a worthwhile extension!
rumel> 'Alana' will be voicing it, it is going to be more meditative and there will be a version aimed at KSMO users.
Jack> RE: thanks for the link... since you mentioned a link, how about sharing it here? :)
Jack> Don't be such a tease! :D
Jack> (unless you want to be)
Drew> Right on, JJ!
rumel> Who are you addressing Jack?
anerosmith> Wow Rumel!Could you get Alana to do a fantasy foreplay and lovemaking session or am I crossing limits for this chat?
artform> You wouldn't mean this link would you Jack? http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...e-app#post9084
artform> Otherwise, you are off to the iTunes App store!:D
rumel> anerosmith - that is something that could be developed in the future, I have some vague ideas for a tantric couples recording.
Jack> rumel re: who was I addressing about link sharing - pretty much anyone who mentions a reference or resource, it's always great to include the link. This is true for these chats and for Forum- and Blog posts.
Drew> Dang, yet another reason to give Apple some cash... Not that I need any persuading!
artform> Say now friend rumel! Jack, what you think of a KSMO lapel pin, or as with Aneros, the separate affiliated Super-O Society wich has a wonderful logo and pin and Hypnaerosession and tatoos and...
rumel> JJ - the link I originally referred to was the one about the ipod application.
Jack> And that link is.... ??? (please post here, per previous request). :)
Drew> < would like to hear more from 'Alana'
artform> ... if not KSMO for the Glorious Shamanic Realm of MultiOrgattania, or some such affiliated group of KSMO adepts.
rumel> artform - the Super-O Society includes all KSMO practioners already.
artform> Jack, I posted the link to the iPhone App thread here at KSMO below at 3:14.:)
anerosmith> her you go
anerosmith> http://john.gregorek.com/Chakras/
Jack> artform re: your link reference... that took me to a thread where I found this link to the John Gregorek website so that would be the actual link, I believe.
artform> WOW R! Butt of course!:D
Jack> LOL thanks anerosmith... ya beat me to it... as you can see, we both posted it at about the same time. Thanks!
artform> Excellent Jack! And anerosmith!
rumel> Yeah that's the link I referred to.
Jack> These are all really great resources, supportive of Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ KSMO Protocol practice - Thanks for posting them, guys!
Jack> Is there anyone in the chat today who has a question about their KSMO practice or who would like to share an experience they've had with it?
artform> Again, after anyone else, I have one.
anerosmith> I have a question too
artform> Go anerosmith!
anerosmith> Does anyone use KSMO successfully during penetrative sex with their partnet?
anerosmith> I find that the stimulation produced is so intense that I get to the point of no return very quickly
artform> Oh YES! But NOT to PONR!:cool:
anerosmith> And am wondering whether practicing KSMO WITH stimulation will help me delay things-though I know most advocate NO stimulation
Jack> Anerosmith, just to clarify, just to clarify, are you referring to stimulation, arousal?
anerosmith> Jack-penile stimulation
Jack> Just to clarify... The Protocol does NOT specify to use NO stimulation whatsoever... The Protocol recommends that you use a SINGLE erotic touch or pleasurable touch, followed immediately (but without rushing) by a gentle unforced Key Sound™ and 2 to 4 relaxing breaths, then repeat.
Jack> That single touch or caress may be genital, but it doesn't have to be.
Jack> When you are just learning to awaken the response that I am talking about, I consider the use of that single touch (but no more than a single touch or caress) quite important because it energizes an autonomic inhale what I refer to colloquially as a Charging Breath.
anerosmith> Thanks Jack.I'm well off the beaten course:My solo sessions are amazing with "vanilla" KSMO and I'm just trying to repeat the process during sex with my lover
Jack> And I consider it to be quite important for most if not all people to learn to activate the autonomic response in this way. The Key Sound™ then amplifies that autonomic response and begins to trigger the autonomic Echo Effects™.
Jack> I don't know what you mean by vanilla. Could you please clarify?
Jack> RE repeating the experience with your lover, have you followed the suggestions for couples that are included in the Introductory audio seminar?
artform> Anerosmith, IMHO, the key is in the actual partner sessions to mentally keep the Key Sound in mind in its role as the amplifier of the energies that come with the Echo Effects, not as an orgasm trigger. As such the Key Sound can be used in sensing openings of more energetics and for sharing energies directly with your partner, even if the dry orgasm response softens your erection.
anerosmith> Sorry Jack.Vanilla refers to "pure" as in "protocol prescribed" KSMO
Jack> Thanks artform! The temporary softening of the erection is often a result of higher levels of arousal and flow of orgasmic energy which are spreading throughout your whole body.
artform> Mrs. a and I often open with many still periods and only gentle slow thrusting following the von Urban Bio-Electric Sex that I have discussed in my blog.
anerosmith> Thanks Jack and artform.
anerosmith> I will look at the couples seminar
artform> Absolutely Jack!:D
Jack> No problem Anerosmith! :) Have you listened to - and perhaps explored the suggestions in the Introductory Training Seminar for introducing this experience into sharing with a partner?
anerosmith> I guess I have still to introduce my SO to this wondrous experience
Jack> anerosmith - Just to clarify further: it's not a separate couples seminar. The instructions are in the Introductory seminar: Male Multiple Orgasm Step by Step. The couples suggestions follow the introductory (i.e., individual) training program or track.
anerosmith> I guess it requires BOTH partners to meet on a similar spiritual plane
Jack> I recommend that each partner do some solo practice to awaken the response first, and then I offer suggestions for non-intercourse couples practice, as an intermediate step, which may then culminate in taking these newly awakened responses into intercourse.
Jack> re: spiritual plane - yes that's possible... What it requires at least is communication with one another re: what this practice is about and how the skill is acquired, regardless of gender or sexual orientation.
anerosmith> Thanks Jack.That's solid advice.MY SO is a bit less adventurous than me so I will have to choose the right time to broach the topic
rumel> I believe your partner must also be open to accepting this protocol as valid or it probably won't work for him/her.
artform> Feeling these energies as themselves, independent of even specific sexual functions, while not supressing their joyousness and playfulness is also key.
anerosmith> I must say my own KSMO practice has enhanced my love making sessions greatly,and enabled me to savour all the nuances and sensory aspects of the experience.So I consider myself a very fortunate man indeed!
artform> Mrs. a has yet to pursue her own KS solo explorations, but she feels my KS and she feels the energies even powerfully and trusts what I am able to bring to our love-making, including opening paths for the energies through both of us including the mutual micro-cosmic orbits we discussed here recently.
artform> Isn't that a fabulous feeling anerosmith!:D
Jack> That's really great news, anerosmith!
anerosmith> It is indeed!My love and desire for my loving wife have taken on new meaning,and our lovemaking has an intensity that surprises both of us (we've been married 14 years) and sex is getting better
anerosmith> OK enough about me now:) Perhaps artform could ask his question now?
Jack> And artform, thanks also for your points about how mrs a responds to the benefits of your own practice. I want to make clear that I am not saying that any partner is obligated to practice or personally learn the skill, of course! :) Often the partner becomes involved as a result of their noticing that something is different in the quality and/or nature of your shared lovemaking, and that can open the door to further conversation about it.
artform> Hope will share that with us in the Couples' Practices Poll at A-land (Aneros):)
artform> >was to you anerosmith re; Poll
artform> Anyone else first?
anerosmith> Will be gkad to Artform:I hardly use the aneros now:) prefer the hands free,toy free,substance free pleasures of KSMO!
artform> [color=#006400If it weren't for my BPH treatments and the fact that I get great Days-After Effects from my continuing Aneros practice, I'd probably be with you on that too, anerosmith!:)[/color]
artform> In a recent chat friend rumel, you mentioned your caress is on one of your breast/nipples. My nipples have been numb lifeless painful little things most of the time. So, I thought I'd try doing caress there while having one of my protocol sessions in the hot therapy tub!
artform> WELL! The minute I did that my breast was on fire and I quickly tried to figure out how to cool things down!!:confused:
rumel> af - "painful"?
Jack> By on fire to you mean aroused, or painful burning sensation?
artform> I intentionally relaxed deeply and KS'd to open all around and the energies then diffused and the burning pain subsided.:rolleyes:
artform> It took me back to the time I tried to move some heart energy down to the abdomen and got a quick bout of colitis for my efforts!:mad:
Jack> Oy!~
Jack> RE: the colitis I just got an intuitive hit wondering if there might be some trauma aka furball from earlier times that triggered the colitis when you sent the heart energy to that area of your body.
artform> Jack, that was one of the times you introduced the idea of "calmposting" and I have applied it since, including here (rapidly!:D ). I would appreciate any thoughts on highly concentrated energy?
Jack> When you feel energy converging or concentrating in an uncomfortable way, I first recommend of course that you cease any amplifying activity, be that stimulative caress or Key Sound, and that you use relaxing breath with the intention of diffusing or spreading the energy throughout the rest of your body.
artform> I have chronic painful diverticulosis, irritable bowel syndrome and painful hiatus hernia. My guts have been my nemesis since before I was born, but I love them dearly!:)
Jack> [Warm Welcome, Buster!]
rumel> Hi Buster
artform> Hi Buster!
Buster> Hi Guys!
Buster> I just wanted to check in. I just got an email reminder from Jack.
Buster> I know that you guys are pretty tired from the session this afternoon. I will try to check in on tonight's chat.
artform> Thanks Jack, it was VERY intentional diffusing this time!:D
artform> When I say KS, I mean the silent mental KS of varying intensities tied to intentionality.:cool:
Jack> Thanks for the checkin Buster - see you in chat # 2!
Buster> Get some rest. I have problems that need tending to.
artform> If the gut issues are a furball, like Ageless, it could well be my difficult birth and its aftermath.:eek:
Jack> k, Buster will ttyl. Take care!
anerosmith> Artform:perhaps it's a case of "rewiring" the nipples too.I find mentally imagining nipple stimulation can bring about echo responses
anerosmith> Soory for the typo emoticon
Jack> Yes, I agree artform... that's why (as I understand it) the character in Chinese for Crisis likewise represents Opportunity as well! I love the Wilhelm / Baynes edition of the I Ching entry for that hexagram.
artform> And that just brings us back to the atropine prescription which was to cope with that birth trauma effect on the guts... Ah! the cycles of life! And the ironies!:D
Jack> Anerosmith, I've heard it said before that the mind is the most powerful sexual organ. Let's hear it for Mindgasms!
anerosmith> Also perhaps stimulate the area around the nipple first rather than the actual nipple itself
Jack> Yes indeed artform! Along with your stunning brilliance, you came in to this life with tremendous physical- and emotional challenges. In this moment the phrase teacher training comes into focus.
Jack> Very good tip (ahem), anerosmith! :D
artform> Speaking of Mindgasms, anybody familiar with Lynne McTaggart's book The Field on western science nibbling and catching the mechanic of eastern traditions. We are manifestations and pull our energies from the Zero Point Energy Field of quantum physics!:)
artform> Thanks muchly anerosmith and Jack!:D
Jack> artform, I can really sense what a strong bond of shared physical challenges you and Grandmaster KSMO Adept Pan both have!
anerosmith> I agree Jack!during KSMO sessions the mind goes on trips that are akin to altered states of existence!
Jack> Thanks very much for that intriguing reference of the McTaggart book, artform!
Jack> Anerosmith - yes quite akin indeed. We might dare risk saying that they are INDEED altered states of consciousness! ;)
artform> Here is the link to Lynne's site:http://www.livingthefield.com/
Jack> WONDERFUL, thanks artform!
anerosmith> Artform,I've just checked the link-looks fascinating!
artform> Could not agree more about this being an altered state of consciousness! many think I am always in such a state!:D
Radius> On the subject of altered state of conciousness, I just learned that Atropine can be extracted from Jimsonweed (AKA Datura)! That must be heavy stuff indeed...
rumel> "Sickness can take the mind, where minds can't usually go..." Pete Towsend from TOMMY, I think this applies to people dealing with pain as well.
artform> Here is a link to Lynne's other site on Collective Intentional Mental Action, which we are experimenting with at Aneros with J4's Full Moon Club. http://www.theintentionexperiment.com/
artform> Apropos your comment below, I'd like to introduce everyone to the Pan and artform conversations thread Notes from the Wounded Wayfarers: Pan and artform here in the Lounge, in response to Jack's request.
anerosmith> Ive got to go for a while now.Nice talking to you.Will be back later if you're around
artform> http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...an-and-artform
rumel> Bye anerosmith
artform> Great chatting and all the best anerosmith!
Jack> Thanks for all of your contributions today, anerosmith!
Jack> anerosmith - next chat starts at 7pm Pacific Daylight Time.
Jack> 0200 GMT
artform> Thanks so much Jack and rumel and Radius and all. Chat again soon.
Jack> RE: Jimsonweed - yeah Radius - don't go in without a VERY competent and ethical guide, and preferably somewhere where doing so doesn't land you in jail.
artform> Bye for now...
Jack> Yeah guys this is a GREAT chat... I need to take a break now to refresh for the next hosted chat which begins in 5 hours and 7 minutes or so.
Radius> Yes, I've read about it in Carlos Castanedas books. I've seen it along the roads in Mexico, but I've never gone near it!
rumel> bye artform
Radius> Thank you everyone, and good night!
Jack> I hope y'all can make it. If there's anyone who can't please speak up now if you have an unanswered question or a comment you'd like to share before I excuse myself from the channel for a while.
artform> Oh right! I meant to comment too that in my early teens, when I was on atropine again for about a year or more, I felt at times that I could dance like Fred Astaire up into the air dancing over gravity... and then I had those astounding Intellectual Orgasms!
Jack> Good night, Radius - Thanks VERY much for your participation and questions today. They will teach many others.
Jack> QUITE the shamanic initiation, artform!
rumel> OK, bye Jack, Radius, anerosmith.
Radius> Artform that sounds amazing! I look forward to more of your crazy stories. Bye everyone!
Jack> Likewise, goodbye to everyone from me, for a little while!
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20090620 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
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Jack> Hi Lazarus, sorry we missed you in this first chat, but the next one starts in just a few hours at 7pm Pacific Daylight Time, which is 0200 GMT. I hope you'll join us then! Wishing you all the very best that life has to offer, Jack
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Session stop: Sat Jun 20 21:10:26 2009