Session start: Sat May 30 23:40:57 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090529
Jack> Howdy Crunkyeah! How goes your practice? Any questions I might answer for you?
Jack> I hope to see you in the Chats I'm hosting this weekend...
Jack> How did I DISCOVER The Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™?
Jack> Use the Google Site Search tool to search on the phrase (in "double quotes"): "How I discovered"
deva> echos
deva> ooops, disregard, that was me thinking I was searching! :D
Jack> "For the record" to search click the Google™ Site Search link on the right side of the horizontal menu bar second from the top of nearly any page in this Forum, and type in "echo effects" in double quotes like that (for ANY search of more than a single word) and for another search just the word echo .
Jack> Preceding example is for how to locate posts including references to the search terms Echo Effects and echo.
deva> thanks Jack, I had found it, got echo, will try for effects too.
Jack> You're welcome deva!
deva> oooh, you're there! (or you were)
Jack> I just made a reply to your recent blog post where I attempt to help you sort out the role of stimulation in practice, and also address a concern I have about recent posts
deva> thanks so much I'll go read it.
deva> I had a coupla questions anyway, but maybe I should read your link first.
Jack> in the Forum where some experienced practitioners characterize using no stimulation at all as the purest form of practice for all persons.
Jack> You can post your questions to your blog if you like. :)
deva> ok thanks, I appreciate your helpfulness! :)
Jack> If you want to go ahead and start a new topic in your blog and post those questions right now, I'll stick around for a few more minutes before I retire for the night, and respond to them.
Jack> You're quite welcome! :)
deva> ok, thanks, just replied to your post and will do that now in a new topic (or if you're sleepy tomorrow is fine!)
deva> done!
Jack> And I have just replied to your reply HERE :D
Jack> I sure hope you'll be at one or more of the chats I'll be hosting this weekend!
deva> I'm going to try and come to the one in your evening.
deva> should be able to make it
Jack> All right! That sounds great!!!
deva> just made a new blog post - no questions, just documenting...! :D
Jack> Meanwhile deva, you should go ahead and make an .mp3 recording of about 5 examples of your Key Sound™ articulation so I can give you some feedback - make sure you're on the signal line. ;)
Jack> All right, re: just documenting - that's excellent! It helps you anchor the experience!
deva> what's the 'signal line'? Yes I can do that by the weekend. I'll wait for another session or two first!
deva> Yes, I'm a motor mouth :D
Jack> Ah don't be so hard on yourself! It's quite important to document your experience. For yourself, and also for the benefit of others who are likely to identify with at least some of your experiences.
deva> Agreed! Though it's my sense of humor more than actually being hard on myself! - If I wasn't documenting it up here I'd be doing it in my journal (probably do that anyway), but having it all in one place rather than scattered around thru volumes of journals is kinda good for easy access.
Jack> Yes that's why I encourage practitioners to start a blog from the very beginning! :)
Jack> By signal line I mean articulating the Key Sound™ in a manner that optimally energizes or Awakens the spontaneous erotic Echo Effect™ sensations - rushes of energy - in your body.
deva> yes, having blogs up here is a great idea!
Jack> Great! I'm glad you think so! I hope you'll spread the word in any and all appropriate places on the Web! :D
Jack> Meanwhile, you're gonna record and post that .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™ articulation, right? :cool:
deva> signal line, thanks - yes, I'm not always on it, wanted more practise first before posting, hopefully with adjusted positions and a few more days I'll be hitting that point more easily and more often.
deva> Yesterday I told a friend about it who I thought would be interested, and he said he had bought your CD a few years ago, so I sent him the forum link, not sure if he'll get back into it or not, but he knows it's here now.
deva> yes, I'll record it in a few more days. Just want to work it a bit more!
deva> I'll aim for it so that you'll have it a day or so before the chat.
Jack> Yeah re: your friend... ask him to email me and mention you by your username for reference and I'll make sure he has the current version and make sure he has all of the posting rights, etc. up to date.
deva> ah, okay, thanks, I will.
Jack> Great! Re: your target as being before the chat.
Jack> Ok that's great. Hey very important other component of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ - allow at least one day between the practice sessions, OK?
Jack> Review that pdf document. It's your flight manual! :D
deva> yes, I've been doing it every 2 days, and sometimes making one or two sounds in the days in between (but not actually doing the protocol)
deva> flight manual, eh? :D
Jack> Yeah that's all fine!
deva> (I mean not actually doing the protocol on the 'off days', just making the odd sound to see if I have it)
Jack> Yep our Flight Manual is the pdf called The Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update™ - you have that, right?
deva> I'll add the single caress back into it, which will make things easier for me!
deva> Thanks so much Jack!
deva> yes, I have it - I'll re-read it yet again!
Jack> Yeah that's fine re: the occasional Key Sound™ on the days between the 20 minute practice sessions. We just want to give your energy body and physical body a chance to integrate the results of the practice and send you some SURPRISE Echo Effects™ outside of the 20 minute sessions.
Jack> That really lets you know it's working for you!
deva> great, glad that's all okay!thanks
Jack> Roger, copy! RE: adding the single caress back in. Yeah just include that in your 20 minute sessions at least some of the time - it will lead to orgasmic rushes so intense you wonder if you'll be able to stand them!
Jack> You're very very welcome, deva! Thanks very much for the chat, and for your enthusiasm. It will serve you very well in this practice! :D
Jack> Have a good one, will chat with you again soon, and I'll keep an eye out for your posted .mp3 Key Sound™ sample.
Jack> Sweet Dreams!
Jack> BTW where are you typing from?
deva> Thanks Jack, you have a good one too! I'm on the opposite side of the globe to you!
Jack> TTYL!
Jack> Thought maybe so! What country, may I ask?
deva> Somewhere in Asia
Jack> Cool! Wishing you all the best - This is how we make World Peace! ;)
deva> mmmm!
Jack> I'm gonna head out now. VERY nice chattin with you!
deva> likewise, have great dreams!
Jack> Thank you!
Jack> Hey y'all, please come to the two live Training and Discussion Chats I'll be personally hosting this weekend. The red countdown clock numbers near the top of this page show long til start no matter where in the world you are!
Jack> Deva, I just posted a reply to your Key Sound™ Validation sample upload..
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090606 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Hello!
rumel> Hello Jack, my goodness, it is quiet in here this morning.
rumel> Hi deva
Jack> Hello - yes it is... :)
Jack> Ommmmm...
rumel> :):):) Aummmm
rumel> I know you can not advocate the use of psychotropic compounds in the pursuit of MO's but can you comment on their potential effectiveness? such as the use cannabis?
rumel> os salvia divinorum.
rumel> These bein often employed by shamen in their practices.
Jack> Many people report that cannabis enhances sensual experience.
rumel> Do you think use of such compounds could be helpful (on a one time basis) to create a 'breakthrough' experience? I have in the past used used such compounds and believe that the altered state of mind created by it can be a useful time to implant suggestions for positve growth and change.
Jack> Notwithstanding its absurd status of being illegal, I would say that generally its likely to have an enhancing status. It really depends on the set, setting, and psychological makeup of the person using it.
rumel> I was just speculating to myself how can someone who was raised in severe or restricted belief system break free from the tyranny of their teachings to learn of some of these esoteric knowledge systems.
Jack> A good beginning is being open to practicing such methods meditation, experiencing sensual massage, listening to music that moves you emotionally, warm baths, plus being willing to study various traditions... Are you speaking of yourself, someone you know or just wondering generally?
rumel> All three :)
rumel> Every day I read this this little quote attributed to Buddha, that really resonates for me - "All that we are is the resultof what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think, we become"
Jack> Opening to sensuality also definitely depends on one's personal history - whether or not someone has been abused sexually or otherwise for example... Likewise if someone has been raised in a setting that is repressive or in which sexuality and sensuality are a natural joy of life when experienced in appropriate settings.
artform> Hi J! & R!
artform> Is deva still with us?
Jack> Well I don't personally think that the mind is everything - except in the sense that one needs one in order to be self aware.
rumel> Hey artform, glad you could join us.
artform> Have read previous chat up to present.
Jack> Very Warm Welcome, artform!
artform> Interesting last comment Jack
Jack> How so? :)
rumel> I interpret the quote as applying to ones psychological and spiritual state of being.
artform> Perhaps what I'm thinking is all semantics, or I'm biased by the results I get experimenting with some of Sheldrake's ideas, but I can no longer really separate body/mind/spirit in many ways.
Jack> For me, that's a component, but actual sensual experience is part of the learning as far as I'm concerned. That's why I believe that at least initially it's important to include the single erotic caress as part of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ practice.
artform> ...all one plasmatic bioenergetic phenomenological sensorium!
Jack> My "that's a component" was in reference to the mental aspect.
artform> Hurrah for the single erotic caress!
Jack> Yep I agree artform! :)
Jack> There's been some discussion of late about practice without any erotic touch as being a purer form. I think that can be confusing for newbies.
artform> R, I really like the Buddha quote too! Just feel it in a more integrated holistic way.
rumel> Jack, your technique which incorporates the physical touch/caress is an essential aspect of making the mind/body connection, but what preceeds that is mental intent.
Jack> I'd agree with that to the extent that once one has learned how to allow the multiorgasmic response to Awaken through use of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ including the erotic touch, then of course it does become easy to just choose to open to those feelings and sensations without the touch.
artform> J, I agree it could be confusing, but... Just what you said in this last post!
Jack> Mental intent may preceed the experience, but I wouldn't eliminate the possibility that it can occur spontaneously as well. Generally though, I'd say yes there is a choosing that is part of the experience.
artform> Even when one can simply mentally open to the energies, mentally doing the Key Sound adds strength and a richer texture to the opening I find.
artform> Just did it to test again!!!:D
rumel> Let us always keep our possibilities open! :)
artform> Confirmed!!!:D:D:D
Jack> That's usually my experience as well, artform. LOL re: your test!
Jack> Yeah rumel, openness does seem to be a common theme for beneficial outcomes in this practice.
artform> Right R!
Jack> That's why healing of the emotional furballs is so important.
Jack> That and the transcendance or trance-end-dance of self-limiting beliefs.
rumel> Those pesky furballs are like dust bunnies in the mind.
Jack> LOL exactly rumel! :)
artform> Indeed!
Jack> Dust bunnies in the mind, and also in the heart... as so much of learning to open to these multiple orgasms is learning to open our heart.
artform> Interesting Jack, chakra-wise, having thought my blockage was in the Heart Chakra over the last couple of years, the "loosening " of things in the spine area from the recent accident and that Chakras app...
artform> ...which mrs. a and I both find very affecting points more to the Throat Chakra as my problem area, and that mutable and opening to the bell tones!
Jack> As your practice continues, and you resolve issues in one area such as heart or throat, the energy begins moving a little (or a lot!) more - until it encounters another emotional furball - or unresolved emotional wound or learned limitation that is centered in another area.
Jack> The throat of course can be a VERY common area since in many so-called modern cultures it's not ok to make sensual or sexual sounds even in a private setting.
artform> Rumel, have you practiced Kundalini yoga or Taoist erotic energy practices al att?
artform> *at all*
Jack> That was a cool reversal you just wrote!
artform> Yes, hmmm
rumel> Not yet artform but I am open to the possibility.
artform> BTW, I noticed the Ommm and Aummm at the opening of this conversation!
rumel> artform - have you worn the SOS pin yet?
Jack> Yes, Om and Aum practice is very good for learning to relax your throat.
artform> I don't know if you rememer during the last chat, I said my KS now sounds more like Ommmm, and you Jack gave a quiet lol.
Jack> When I was seeking this discovery, it was the relaxing and energizing effects of Om and Aum practice that helped clue me to the importance of sound as a way of further awakening the energy.
artform> Rumel, I have worn it in limited company and working on mixing it with the Mercedes boxer shorts Prostate Awareness campaign pin, which I have worn publically on many occasions. Will report soon!:);):D
artform> Jack, did you or have you looked at the Pythagorean tuning potential links?
artform> *publicly*
rumel> "Pythagorean tuning", please explain, artform
Jack> Here's a reference link for Pythagorean tuning, with examples: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythagorean_tuning
rumel> Thanks Jack
Jack> y/w! :)
artform> Thanks Jack, great page! Pythagorus, in the opening of Greek culture that has formed a major foundation stone of our contemporary thinking still...
artform> took music and musical tunings and harmonics as both core science and core spirit in our being, and even moral and ethical issues fell within this fundamental modelling system...
artform> ...including the sensual.
artform> Music and tonal inflections were key to the oral traditions passing on these ideas in poems, songs and ritual processes.
Jack> The music helps anchor the words in our memory and in our body.
rumel> In the new guided relaxation recording I'm working on, I am going to be using the sequence of chakra tones as the basis for generating the binaural beats to establish the brain entrainment condition.
Jack> Likewise, the Key Sound™ helps anchor and amplify the sensation triggered by the single caress in the Protocol.
artform> Do you know the author Ernest G. Mclain and his books: The Pythagorean Plato: Prelude to the Song Itself; or, The Myth of Invariance: The Origin of the Gods, Mathematics and Music from the Rg Veda to Plato; or, Meditations Through the Quran: Tonal Images in an Oral Culture?
rumel> Nope, my ignorance is now showing.
Jack> um, no. Since we're talking Greek - Would you be willing to give us a synopsis of these works?
artform> My own feeling for and research into the erotic energies of other practices such as architecture has found others' research and writing through history and forms the basis for a new GE: General Erotomatics. This is why you hear/see me babbling on about synaesthesia and the positive side of Stendhal Effect etc, etc...
Jack> Where are you publishing this research? I'm sure our readers would be interested in the links.
artform> It is still a work in progress, although I have done some papers at university when I went back in the early 90s and I was in my mid 40s!:cool:
Jack> Here is a portal to information about the Stendhal Effect.
artform> Geometry as spatial music, and music as temporal geometry, McClain explores the geometric tuning of the Ka'aba, Plato's Atlantis and many other cultural constructions.
Jack> Artform, I hope you'll start a thread about it in our Forum and share what you're willing to about it.
Jack> I would also colloquially define the Stendhal Effect as the case of having too much ice cream.
rumel> The "Brain Freeze" effect :)
rumel> Hi slipperybugger, welcome aboard.
Jack> That is, the senses become overwhelmed - saturated if you will - by beauty, be it visual or otherwise. That's why it's important to take slowly, any ecstatic practice, including practice of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™. It's why BREATHING is so important, as well as is going slowly with practice.
Jack> It's why in the Protocol I recommend taking that day off between active practice sessions. Not chasing the fawn, as we say.
Jack> rumel, not just the brain freeze, but also that if you sit down and eat three gallons of ice cream in an hour's time, it's very likely the last bite won't be quite as yummy as the first.
artform> Help! I had just completed and OK'd a long post at which point I was instantly logged out and post lost...:confused:
artform> Hi slipperybugger!
slipperybugger> Hi Rumel, Jack & AF. Don't mind me. I accidently stumbled in... Please keep going.
Jack> Jeez artform! I don't have any idea of how to retrieve something like that if it did not post! TRY CLICKING THE BACK ARROW THOUGH, YOU MIGHT GET THE PAGE BACK.
rumel> artform - try typing the first letter of that post and see if the editing box kept a copy
artform> The post referred to a book, the Hypnerotomachia Poliphili, about 500 years old and only recently translated by Joscelyn Godwin...
Jack> [That's another good suggestion, rumel!]
Jack> Hey no problem slipperybugger - you are quite welcome here, and we are happy to answer any questions you may have about practice of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™.
Jack> Artform, did you try hitting the back button?
artform> ...which was on the bookshelf of every architect in the latin languages world, and in his search for his beloved Polia, Poliphilo encounters many adventures confronting architectural elements of form, materiality, and ornament that engender erotic responses.
rumel> Naked lady statues on buildings get me excited!
artform> The Back Button took me back to the Thank You for Logging In page.
artform> Typing the first few letters of the post did not bring the first line of that one back, as it somethimes does other past ones when I make a similar start.
rumel> Then there are those indian temples where the Kama Sutra is literally the entire visual texture for the exterior facades.
artform> Right R! Butt is does not have to be that literal in many ways to catch the attention of erotic/aesthetic energies... Ahhhh Haaaa!
rumel> Understood -a, Georgia O'keefes paintings are not necessarily about flowers.
artform> Humming along with Georgia!...
Jack> Hey boys, how about we check in with slipperybugger to see if there are any questions specifically related to KSMO practice? Then we can resume this more esoteric conversation afterwards?
slipperybugger> I'm in an 'information absorption mode' right now. No questions, yet. But thanks all the same.
artform> Yes.
artform> In that case, I was just going to round up this thought chain with this...
rumel> Well, guys I have some errands to run, so yes, by all means go ahead and help 'slipperybugger' , I'll try to catch the later chat, Ciao!
artform> that in my youth during the years of severe injuries, grunting with pain, I felt the resonance of certain sounds with certain parts of my body...
artform> See you soon R!
artform> Thanks again!:)
Jack> See you later rumel!
artform> and found that it helped my efforts at pain control...
Jack> That's great!
artform> ...and also found some that keyed into my prostate in particular, and other erotic energy areas. That is why I have mentions in the early months here and at Aneros, resonating sound in the prostate as helpful and why I tuned my KS to do that!:D
Jack> That's a really great idea, artform - thanks!
Jack> slipperybugger, although you have no specific questions, can you give us some idea where you are in your practice? That is, about how long have you been practicing so far? How often? What Echo Effects™ are you noticing?
artform> That also connects with spatial acoustics and architectural form, scale, temperature and texture! End of that riff!;)
artform> How goes the journey SB?
Jack> Thanks again, artform, that was a good one!
slipperybugger> I've been at it for about 3 weeks, following your protocol. Echo Effects show up as pleasure waves at night that wash over my whole body. I don't create them, just 'find' them and let them go.
artform> Great SB!
slipperybugger> BTW, Artform...your experiences always astound me.
artform> As you open to this KS life, your own may well do that too!;)
artform> I think our personal life experiences history also is a strong conditioner of how our journeis here and at Aneros will unfold.
artform> *journeys*
Jack> slipperybugger, Your first blog entry is a great account of your early practice!
slipperybugger> Thank you. I attribute my early success to your explicit instructions and enthusiasm.
Jack> I'm glad to read there that you are already noticing the sensations beginning to spread through your body. More relaxing breaths, especially directed into the areas just adjacent to where you are feeling the Echo Effects™ may help them spread... Visualizing opening those inner energy gateways combined with this breathing many also help them spread.
Jack> ...and thank YOU for your kinds comments!
Jack> I'm glad you're finding the instruction to be helpful! :)
slipperybugger> Staying focused is my primary challenge at this stage.
Jack> I do recommend that you go ahead and post a sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Free Key Sound™ Validation area, so I can give you some feedback in that regard.
Jack> RE: focused what seems to be drawing your attention away?
slipperybugger> Yes. I plan to do that this week.
slipperybugger> My mind enjoys conjuring up other activities it thinks need my immediate attention.
Jack> RE: this week - GREAT!
artform> Very open and energy rich post in you blog SB! Just back from reading it.
Jack> RE: Your mind's conjuring up other activities... this may be an example of some Fear at the Gates... Your mind's way of feeling a bit of of pre-flight jitters :)
artform> Gotta find or invent a "back burner" for your "executive function" in the mind to store these other things.
artform> Or may well be so Jack!
slipperybugger> That's what I believe it to be... I figure it will resolve with time.
Jack> I really applaud your relaxed attitude about it. That's PERFECT!
slipperybugger> So my supposition that Fear at the Gates can manifest in ways other than abject fear is correct?
artform> I was somewhat resistent when the Echo Effects suddenly increased significantly in strength early in my practice.
Jack> Sure it can be just a bit of white knuckles as you feel the roller coaster reaching for new heights.
artform> "Insistent" was a bit intimidating for the first time..., but THEN!:D
slipperybugger> I anticipate strong Echo Effects will get me excited and 'chase the faun' away. Staying relaxed when that happens will be difficult...at least intially.
Jack> That's very astute of you to notice that bit of trepidation as you became aware of the stronger Echo Effects awakening!
Jack> Ironically, it's your anticipation or concern about chasing the fawn away that may in effect be a manifestation of some Fear at the Gates - like: Am I really READY for this???!!!
Jack> Just a wee bit of mind noise. :)
slipperybugger> I'm more into 'ignore the low hanging fruit', understanding that bigger and better sensations are yet to come along.
Jack> It really does sound like you're doing quite well, actually! Just taking it easy and pacing yourself a bit... Not chasing after the feelings (in spite of your concerns that you could!).
Jack> Well I suggest you SAVOR the low-hanging fruit, because it can be very ripe and sweet.
Jack> It seems like you are devoting some thoughts into trying to manage the sensations, rather than just trusting that your body's inner erotic wisdom knows how to present these new experiences to you in a manner that will be just fine.
slipperybugger> No. I learned from the Aneros to enjoy whatever sensations are occuring at the moment and not to worry about what I may be missing out on.
slipperybugger> The key for me is to not get
slipperybugger> excited about what is happening.
Jack> Why not allow yourself to get excited? What's your concern there?
slipperybugger> When I get excited, I begin thinking....thinking about what this could or should be developing into
slipperybugger> Then, I find myself trying to create something that doesn't already exist.
slipperybugger> In that case, I'm no longer
slipperybugger> 'in the moment' and am trying to 'force' it.
slipperybugger> I think my excitement has to follow what is happening, not try to lead.
artform> Expectations and the temptation to attempt to manage these energies can end one's "openess" and continued relaxed "allowing".
slipperybugger> I agree, AF.
Jack> Hmmm... Your saying excitement has to follow Maybe - but MAYBE NOT. I'm wondering if maybe you can allow yourself to become excited, and when the concerns arise about whether or not you're forcing yourself or not, just be aware that your mind is doing that, take a breath, and savor the excitement - celebrate it!
artform> But soon the energies are at home with you to respond to your selective opening preferences within your body/mind.
artform> I think we are on the same path Jack.:)
slipperybugger> Thanks for the permission to feel excitement. Up to now, it's been a deterrent.
Jack> You're very welcome! :)
Jack> For me, a key guideline is... Acceptance.
slipperybugger> Also, I'm still concentrating to make the single caress followed by the key sound. I'm pretty analtyical still. Does that get better with practice?
artform> Not suppressing or "throwing sand under the skids" is another relinquishing of control.
Jack> Great image, artform! :D
artform> Anal-tyical (tickle) seems like caress typo SB!
artform> SB's image from his blog, to give credit where due.
Jack> RE: the analytical aspect... It's a bit of a dynamic balance - a dance between some self-awareness then breath that allows more feeling and enjoyment of that feeling.
slipperybugger> I suspect it will resolve after you analzye my key sound sample...
Jack> Yes, that's why I suggest you go ahead and post it. :D
slipperybugger> Great! That will be one less thing for my mind to 'worry' about during a practice session.
Jack> EXACTLY! :D
slipperybugger> (it can be a horrible backseat driver!)
slipperybugger> Thanks, Jack! I didn't expect to chat but I've picked up some valuable information to incorporate into my upcoming sessions!
Jack> Ah don't be so hard on yourself! It's natural!
Jack> That's really great, slipperybugger! I'm very glad it's helpful to you!
Jack> I look forward to reviewing your .mp3 sample!
artform> SB, I think you are moving ahead very well. Enjoy!
slipperybugger> Natural, but frustrating....like a nagging mother-in-law in my brain!
artform> I've got to say adieu for now. All the best. Chat again soon!
Jack> Ah not nearly as bad as that! Not bad at all in fact - just love yourself and your process. Release that tension about some part of you trying to defeat you in this. You're doing fine!
Jack> Au revoir, artform - All the very best to Mrs. A!
slipperybugger> Thanks, guys. I'll post any new discoveries in my blog.
artform> SB, you may be able to find a "back burner" for that and "observe" in peace.
slipperybugger> Oh, I will. It's just a matter of time.:)
artform> Thanks to you both. Bye for now!
slipperybugger> See you, AF. And thanks for the welcome message!
Jack> All right! Anything else for now, slipperybugger?
Jack> There'll be another chat starting in about 5.5 hours.
slipperybugger> No. Thanks, Jack. I just need to get to 'work' and start incorporating this information.
Jack> Oh btw, release framing this practice as work. That's just another little cognitive step to help you along the way. It's not work - you don't have to work on it, etc. That's part of what I mean when I say that the greater challenge is not between the legs, but between the ears! ;)
slipperybugger> Yes. The 'work' was meant to be tongue-in-cheek..!
Jack> Great! Humor like that will serve you very well in this practice. Now you know why the Buddha is Laughing! :D
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20090606 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Hey Gandalf - Very Warm Welcome Back!!! I'm sorry we missed you at the chat that just concluded. I hope you'll join us for the one that starts in 5 Hours 13 minutes from now - according to the countdown clock numbers at the top of the page. I really do hope we'll get a chance to catch up then!
Session stop: Sat Jun 6 20:47:47 2009