Session start: Sat May 16 23:05:51 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090515
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Jack> Welcome, genet and murcof!
Jack> ...AND Epicurien!
Jack> I hope to see you all at the chats this weekend so we can have a realtime dialogue about your practice!
Jack> Warm Welcome to Newbie: Yoni, and Welcome Back to Insight! I hope both of you will join us for at least one of the live chats I'm hosting this weekend. RIGHT HERE in the ChatBox!
Jack> Come to the chats I'll be hosting tomorrow and get ALL of the help you need! See times remaining to start at the top of this page. The red numbers show time remaining, NO MATTER WHERE your time zone.
Jack> Very Warm Welcome to our Newest Newbie - mindfulyogi! Hey mindful I hope you'll come to at least one if not both of our chats that I'll be personally hosting in about ten hours from this post - See the red numbers counting down at the top of this page.
Jack> Of course that invitation goes for the rest of you as well! :D:D
Radius> That ticking clock up there is a little confusing... Anyway, I'm here and ready to start whenever you guys are!
Laly> HI guys!!
Radius> Hi Laly!
Radius> Nice to be here again! I've been having a hell of a stressful month with a lot of work etc. so I haven't been able to attend the chats... But things have calmed down now!
Jack> Radius - what's confusing about the clock? It shows how much time til the chat starts, no matter what time zone you're in. If you're in Australia or Newfoundland, there is still only 47 minutes til the chat starts, as of the time I just made this post.
Radius> How are you Laly?
Jack> :D
Laly> I am great and you?
Laly> Hi Jack :)
Jack> Hi Laly, I'll be back in 46 minutes. :) Radius, do you still have a
Laly> you beat me to the answer re: the clock jack.
Jack> question about how long before the next chat starts?
Jack> LOL, Laly I'll let you explain it next time. I gotta go for now but back in... 45 min 50 sec.
Radius> Yes. What I find confusing is the following: "Next hosted chat 1 begins in 00 days 00 hours 46 minutes 19 seconds on May 23 2009, at 17:00 GMT, All times are GMT +1. The time now is 17:14"... But it's just a bug - no big deal.
Radius> or maybe I'm not getting it. Anyway, it's no big deal...
Laly> yeah--it can be confusing - regarding the GMT +1
Jack> There's no statement up there that all times are GMT +1.
Jack> Or am I missing it?
Radius> ok.
Laly> yeah the +1 isnt there...sorry. I meant GMT
Jack> 42 minutes and 20 seconds til start.
Jack> That's all ya gotta know! :-)
Radius> perfect!
Jack> Ok, going afk. Back in 41 min.
Laly> you and I can chat til then Radius- if you'd like?
Radius> sure!
Radius> I have an issue that I think you can help me with.
Laly> *beems- cool.
Laly> ok-ask away
Radius> I have experienced some very very minor echo effects while practicing the protocol lately, but not at all any of the same magnitude as when I started. I feel that the really pleasurable feelings are hiding there in the background, almost ready to come out, but they don't... It's like there is something blocking me from feeling this pleasure...
Radius> Do you have any advice?
Laly> Do you feel totally relaxed when practicing now- do you notice a change from when you first starting?
Laly> oops- that's started.
Laly> What I mean is- Is your mind totally clear , no mind noise or talk playing in the background
Laly> What I am sensing from what you just typed is- that because you're not feeling the same intensity as the beginning- then in your mind -
Radius> It feels as though I'm more able to relax my muscles around the genital area now, but I'm definitely imbalanced psychologically. There is definitely talk in the background...
Laly> yeah...I am picking that up :)
Radius> well done!
Laly> if the mind noise isn't fading for you as time goes on
Laly> then your inner self is trying to tell you something -- that needs your attention - to deal with
Laly> If you ignore this- it may only become louder.
Laly> Trust me- I know!!
Radius> ok... I'm just thinking about what it might be and how I should deal with it... I do trust you, and I really appreciate your input!
Laly> you are very welcome :) .
Radius> Now I'm actually crying... I'm a wreck. I'll be alright though.
Laly> AWWW (hugs).
Laly> me too- have been all day , on and off.
Radius> Thanks.
Radius> I see.
Radius> I wish you were here and we could hug for real!
Laly> Thanks
Radius> Do you think that practicing the protocol with a blockage like this still is benificial? Is it worth doing?
Laly> yes.
Radius> good
Bobbyonabreak> Did I read this write .. the chat starts in about 20 mins .. thought I was late
Laly> Welcome Bobby :) - no you're not late.
Radius> So what's going on with you Laly?
Radius> Bobby, I was confused about that too!
Laly> I have a very difficult and emotional decsion i have to make
Radius> I see.
Bobbyonabreak> Yeah .. just been reading ... think i will go for a shower then come back .. just finished work
Laly> (okay Bobby- we'll be here)
Radius> Have you been able to find comfort in your orgasms? (i just realized how weird that sounds - but I'm actually interested!)
Laly> deciding on ending a relationship with a man I care very much for and trust.
Radius> aha.
Laly> re: comfort- YES!!!
Radius> That's good!
Laly> with my multiple orgasms--I feel like I am coming home :)
Radius> nice.
Laly> like the heavens opening up and welcoming me.
Radius> Beautiful! Now back to the cause of your distress - I can't really relate to ending relationships... I also don't know the details of your situation, but you know - having an open heart also implies letting people out...
Radius> I wish I could give more advice, but I really am not qualified to do so...
Laly> it is okay Radius.
Laly> Much like you- it is a block which I cannot seem to find my way through-- yet.
Laly> How do you say good-bye to someone who saves your life?
Radius> Yeah, that's a tricky one. Do you really want to say good bye to someone who saves your life? It seems to me that you really love this person. You also said that you really care for and trust him.
Laly> no I don't want to re: good-bye
Radius> ok
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090523 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Laly> and yes I do love him.
Jack> Hello everyone, and Welcome!
Radius> Hi everyone!
Jack> How about we begin by going around the room and giving a brief intro - Where you're typing from - How long you've been practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol, and what you've learned.
Radius> Laly, I hope things work out for you!
Laly> (HI)
Laly> (Thanks Radius- me too)
Bobbyonabreak> hello all
Jack> Then according to our age-old tradition here, we'll pass the Talking Stick to the newbies first, and everyone will get a chance thereafter.
Jack> Hi Bobbyonabreak!
Jack> Where are you typing from, how long practicing, what have you learned, and what are your questions?
Laly> Hi, I am Laly, female, OH USA- been practicing near 4 years now-and I've learned so much- hard to choose just one.
Radius> I'm typing from a small town in the Alps. I've been practicing for about 2 months (i think), incuding a break of three weeks that ended a week ago.
Radius> (I'm male.)
Bobbyonabreak> I'm 28, from the UK. Been practising a couple of weeks, and male too
Jack> Welcome! What have you learned so far, Radius? And what are your questions?
rumel> rumel, 61, in California, single but in long term relationship, I've been practicing for 8 months. I''ve learned the mind is far more influential in affecting the ability to experience pleasure than the body is in creating the pleasure.
Bobbyonabreak> had about 5 - 6 sessions so far
Jack> Thanks very much, and Welcome!
Jack> How about Insight, and Epicurien?
Radius> I have had a taste of what's to come! I've had some very nice echo effects, but lately I haven't really felt anything... I spoke to Laly about this just before, and we concluded that it's probably because I have been very stressed and feelt like a wreck lately.
Radius> It feels as though the pleasure is just around the corner - but blocked...
Radius> Jack, do you have any advice on this? The pleasure is just out of reach...
Jack> Thanks Radius... I'm sorry to hear about the stress... Since opening to this energy is about release and letting go, sounds like there may be some grief and possibly other emotional furballs presenting themselves for healing to you right now!
Radius> Yes, I think you're right!
Jack> Yes Radius, I have some thoughts, as I'm sure others may as well. Let's finish the intros and then we'll dig in.
Jack> Insight, are you going to join us in the chat today?
Radius> ok, sure!
Jack> How about you, Epicurien?
Jack> Ok well to both Insight and Epicurien, feel free to just hang out. There's no obligation to share. We just want to offer you the opportunity.
Jack> Ok, I think Bobbyonabreak is the newest newbie here today, who'd talking with us, that is... :) Bobby, would you like to go first with a an elaboration on where you are in practice, what your experience is like so far, and your questions? YOU have the Talking Stick, if you want it!
Radius> Rumel, what you just wrote about learning that " the mind is far more influential in affecting the ability to experience pleasure than the body is in creating the pleasure" is interesting! That would explain why my pleasure feels out of reach...
Radius> sorry, Bobby, go ahead!
Bobbyonabreak> Ok sorry. was on another page ..
Laly> (he may not be out of the shower yet Jack re: bobby)
Bobbyonabreak> Just started a few weeks ago .. done about 5 - 6 sessions
Jack> I would just coattail on Rumel's comment re: the mind, and add that below the mind are the emotions and that's often where the emotional furballs - the wounds and blockages - occur.
Jack> Ok Laly, re: Bobby, thanks!
Bobbyonabreak> spoke about the first three last time .. and detailed them in a blog i have started
Jack> Welcome artform!
Jack> Ok, Bobby, what questions do you have for us here today?
Bobbyonabreak> During the first three I thought I could feel the key sound moving from my sternum area and perhaps feeling a movement towards my perineim
Bobbyonabreak> However now in the last two I havent really felt any sensations ..
Jack> Great!
artform> Thanks Jack! Hi All!
Jack> Bobby, are you using the single touch or caress as detailed in the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™?
Jack> [ My "Great!" comment was re: when you felt the energy moving in you.]
Bobbyonabreak> I actually find I get stronger sensenation if I just practice the key sound at a random interval during the day
Bobbyonabreak> Yeah, I am using the single touch caress now
Jack> Excellent!
Jack> Are you doing at least two 20 minute practice sessions a week?
Bobbyonabreak> It does feel it that the energy moves from the heart area down the front and then down in the genital area
Jack> The object of the sessions is not to produce Echo Effects™ but to stir the awakening of energies at a deeper level.
Jack> That's a GREAT observation, Bobby!
Bobbyonabreak> I am doing about 3 - 1 day off in between.
Jack> Excellent!
Epicurien> Hi guys!
Bobbyonabreak> I find though i dont actually get turned on at all during the sensations .. its seems more about relaxtion .. I dont get an erection at all .. I was wondering about that?
Jack> What feelings and emotions are you noticing as these energies are beginning to awaken, Bobby?
Jack> [ Hi, Epicurien, and Welcome! - at the moment, Bobbyonabreak has the Talking Stick (i.e. "has the floor" as we say in the U.S.).
Bobbyonabreak> I have been a stressed recently .. so they tend to pop up alot
Bobbyonabreak> however when I experience some feeling of movement in the body I would say i feel neutral
Jack> Bobby that sounds just fine! During the practice sessions, you don't need to worry about erection,
Jack> often the multiple orgasms may begin without any erection at all!
Jack> That's one of the things you'll discover, is that SOMEtimes the MOST intense multiple orgasms may happen without an erection! That's because the intensely orgasmic energy may be fully permeating your entire body!
Bobbyonabreak> I think I just need to get my key sound validated .. sounds notas deep as husky as yours .. I think that the next stage for me at the mo
rumel> B - you said "I havent really felt any sensations." perhaps could be reframed to say "I have felt a quieting of my normal sensations which may lead to understanding of deeper sensations."
Jack> At other times of course, the orgasmic waves, the Echo Effects™, may be accompanied by erection.
Jack> Very Good Point, rumel! And thanks for offering that shift in perspective, that shift of cognitive FRAME of the experience.
Bobbyonabreak> I get the sense, like radius that there is something lurking though, like there is a energy stored in my perinemium,
Jack> Great idea Bobby about getting the free review of your Key Sound™ articulation. Doing so is a VERY important step in acquiring this lifelong skill.
Epicurien> I get exactly the same feeling
Jack> Yeah, re: the lurking energy, that's the coiled kundalini serpent you're tuning into!
Bobbyonabreak> Rumel - good point, I think the process for me is about quieting now, relaxing, and letting the subtle sensations come out
Jack> Epicurien, that's fantastically good news!
Jack> That's right Bobby. I agree with that 100%
Radius> aha! The Kundalini!
Epicurien> a feeling of warmth, soft pressure in my perineum... bobby, you will see that you can increase these sensations as you practice KSMO regularly
Bobbyonabreak> Just wondering do the waves originate at a certain point in the body
Bobbyonabreak> or is it different for everyone
Jack> The more you open emotionally, the more allowing you are to come what may, the greater opportunity you're giving these energies to awaken further and begin to circulate up and down your entire spine.
Epicurien> actually, I said this wrong... you will see them grow by themselves as you practice
Bobbyonabreak> Hey Epi -thats similar to what I feel, however during the day (not alway during the sessions) I feel like there is a subtle pulse there
Jack> The waves may originate anywhere - to some degree it's a function of what emotional areas of your body are the more open, initially.
Epicurien> Bobby: exactly... is it pleasurable for you?
Jack> Bobby it is GREAT news that you're becoming aware of that pulse of awakening energy! You're beginning to learn that as you open more, this energy is ALWAYS available to you!
artform> Bobby, it is great IMHO that you are feeling them "at other times".
Bobbyonabreak> I got the impression when I was in bed last night that for me the key is tuning into these waves
Epicurien> and yes, I also get these during the day... and you might realize that they can even appear when you're not even thinking at all about them
Bobbyonabreak> not really pleasurable, just neutral
Jack> That's right, Bobby! It's NOT about trying to MAKE them happen, but to just TUNE IN to what IS happening, and through relaxed breathing and gentle use of the arousal-amplifying Key Sound™ you ALLOW the waves of energy to become stronger!
artform> Yes Epi. Not EXPECTING pleasure, but feeling the subtle power of the POTENTIAL.
Jack> Don't worry about that neutral feeling - that's not likely to last very long - provided you continue to focus on opening more emotionally as you continue the slow relaxing breathing, and the Key Sound™.
Jack> Yep artform just described the cognitive frame perfectly!
Bobbyonabreak> Yeah, I thats really it for me at the mo .. just relaxing, tuning in, and getting my key sounded tested next .. and seeing what happens
rumel> B - you may want to start conditioning your mind to put a "pleasurable" label on some of these experiences instead of labeling them as "neutral"
Bobbyonabreak> In regards to opening emotionally, jack, how do people do that/how does it happen?
Jack> Yeah rumel just offered another excellent cognitive frame.
Jack> EXCELLENT question, Bobby!
Jack> Would anyone like to respond to Bobby's question?
Bobbyonabreak> Yes .. I think I do need to look at my mind state .. thanks for the advice
Jack> [Warm Welcome, Drew!]
Laly> Bobby-by trusting in yourself and allowing yourself to feel.
Bobbyonabreak> Also maybe i could pass on the talking stick after offering that last q
rumel> I think opening emotionally begins by forgiving yourself for perceived faults.
Epicurien> But isn't it amazing that your body actually reacts without any physical stimulation? I find this quite amazing... I realized lately that pleasure is not about the skin, the nerves, the physical part of your body... it is really about the mindset, the feelings, the emotions... even masturbation seems boring nowadays if I don't take my time, if I feel pressured to reach an orgasm...
Jack> Bobby, it's mind state and also your heart state, that is both your thoughts of how you're framing or self-describing your experience but also how you're FEELING. What EMOTIONS are being triggered - either negative or positive.
Jack> Very good point Laly - VERY important to learn to TRUST where your emotions are guiding you in this continuing opening.
Bobbyonabreak> I have been relationship and PE issues that have clouding things
Jack> Whoa rumel that self-forgiveness is incredibly important and helpful!
Bobbyonabreak> so sometimes I fel quite negative .. however the relationship has now ended sort of
Bobbyonabreak> and I am beginning to accept my other sexual issues so i think things will start shifting
artform> Non, je ne regrette rien.
Jack> Epicurien, it's not ONLY the mind, it's ALLOWING a new RELATIONSHIP between mind, emotions, and sensation. That's the TRIPLE SPIRAL upward to the higher states of arousal and orgasmic waves.
Jack> Epicurean, yes it IS amazing and for most of us quite surprising that direct physical stimulation is NOT necessary to experience orgasm! That's a huge surprise to most guys, and in fact most women as well. Our so-called modern society is addicted to stimulation.
artform> And fully integrating that triple spiral in whole being consciousness.
Bobbyonabreak> would anyone else like the talking stick?
Jack> Mind you, I'm not saying that stimulation is BAD, or anything. Just that its prominence and belief that it's required for arousal is WAY overrated.
Jack> In fact continuous intense stimulation can actually ATTENUATE the stronger orgasmic impulses!
Jack> Bobby, as you open more to these orgasmic feelings that are NOT based on every-increasing stimulation, the Premature Ejaculation issue is likely to attenuate. Although I certainly don't presume to diagnose your particular situation, PE is often a function of ANXIETY - PERFORMANCE ANXIETY.
Bobbyonabreak> Jack, in regards to your last comment .. does building arousal using this method eventually allow you to hold a higher level of arosual during intercouse/stimulation?
artform> One dimension of openess for me is an expanding sense of timelessness...
Bobbyonabreak> I agree .. it has just become a big deal .. I working on letting it go and relaxing .. I feel that that will sort it out
Jack> Also, the anxiety of trying maintain a CONSTANT erection, which is actually another myth. With proper communication with a partner, and continuing to open to these multiple orgasmic waves, your partner can begin to appreciate that a great deal of orgasmic feeling can be communicated EMOTIONALLY through the eyes, sound, and sensual touch that sometimes includes a stiff erection, but other times that may not be the case at all.
Jack> Bobby, let go of the cognitive frame that you have to WORK on it.
artform> ..that in a real sense that having experienced a particular "level" of this triple spiral integration, you are actually always there in a reality beyond memory.
Jack> Just let go of what it MEANS when it happens... Sometimes it may happen, other times not. Just open to THAT.
Jack> Yeah that timelessness that artform is describing is what we often describe in this Forum as being IN THE ZONE.
Jack> You can use our Google Site Search tool and search on the keyword: zone and you'll find some nice descriptions and discussions about that.
Bobbyonabreak> Sorry .. you mentioned that is the last chat .. I think thats the key just tryin to allow a sense of openess to be
Bobbyonabreak> just aloowing the feeling, being relxed and letting go of concept .. just like meditating really
Bobbyonabreak> can I pas the talking stick - I feel like I am hogging it?
Jack> Just let go of the TRYING part. Just ALLOW the sense of openness. The cognitive frame of trying introduces a sense of struggle, of tension.
Laly> yes.
Radius> take your time Bobby!
Epicurien> Bobby: the only advice I can give you that has made a difference for me is: Take your time... Enjoy your session as you would enjoy a dinner with friends, a good movie, an afternoon outside on a warm sunny day... you don't have any expectations on these occasions, neither should you have any when practicing KSMO... just enjoy yourself and see what happens... that's what worked for me...
Jack> VERY good work, Bobby! How would you summarize what you've learned here today so far?
Jack> I hope you'll read through the transcript several times as we've shared a LOT of information, perspective, and experience with you! :)
Jack> Epicurien that is such TOTALLY sage advice!
artform> What we are doing here seems very simple in some ways, and at the same time so transcendent and beyond the difficult details of the moment in daily events.
Radius> Yeah this has been VERY interesting and rewarding to follow!
rumel> B - I encourage you to ask all your questions, don't worry about hogging anything, we are here to help YOU!
Jack> GREAT! Radius! What aspects have resonated for you, in particular?
Bobbyonabreak> Certainly will do .. I think it comes down to just letting a sense of openess be there without trying to much .. just allowing things to be there
artform> When we can naturally BE in that perception, we can just be THERE.
Radius> Among other things, I found what Epicurien wrote about "Not EXPECTING pleasure, but feeling the subtle power of the POTENTIAL" extremely interesting! That is in effect what I am feeling, although I saw it from another - less enlighted perhaps - perspective: that the pleasure is behind the corner, just out of reach...
Jack> Yeah artform, I think the path to trance-endedness - to trance end, dance! is often to... as Thoreau (I think) said: SIMPLIFY.
Bobbyonabreak> Thanks for everyone's advice .. I'm looking forward to reading others's experience's. Can I officially pass the stick to you to offer out?
Jack> I second rumel's invitation to follow the abundance - a bun dance! - model of asking ALL of your questions while you have this opportunity.
Bobbyonabreak> to jack
Jack> Bobby, YES - ALLOWING rather than TRYING! That at first may seem trivial, but actually it is PIVOTAL.
Epicurien> exactly Bobby... and honestly, even though I've never experienced MMOs at this point, Boy, I couldn't live without my periodic KSMO sessions... They just make me feel really good and that's all that is to it... and I'm fine with that :)
Jack> Radius, I recommend you KEEP the awareness of just around the corner, and RELEASE the frame of just out of reach!
rumel> Yes there is a HUGE difference between ALLOWING and TRYING!
Radius> OK!
Jack> Epicurien, your comment at 6:01 PM is SPOT ON! THAT is ACCEPTANCE and OPENNESS that is the gateway to MORE and MORE bliss!
Epicurien> Guys, I have a question though.... Recently, I've been getting powerful orgasms when masturbating, so powerful that they make my legs shake all around the place... Any of you ever felt that?
Epicurien> and they last for longer than they use to...
Jack> Radius, good for you for trying on that new frame of accepting that just around the corner - when you least expect it frame, while releasing the just out of reach part. Well done!
Laly> not while masturbating- but with KSMO i get it all over-- full body
Radius> Nice! I've started shaking lately too - but not when orgasming, only when almost orgasming ("edging")
Jack> Yeah Epicurien, that's a GREAT sign that you're OPENING MORE!
Radius> Jack - yes, that makes so much sense (re: around the corner)
Jack> Radius the trick is to ALLOW the orgasms to happen - if they're accompanied by ejaculation, so be it, yet you may be surprised some times that it feels like you're ejaculating when in fact you're ejaculating ENERGY e.g. through sound and/or breath, yet not prostatically... or that as described, the orgasmic waves persist well along after ejaculation and detumescence.
artform> As we strengthen the power of orgasmic response alone, separate from ejaculation, we increase the potential for the power of ejaculatory orgasms too. At Aneros, we call them Super-Ts, super traditional orgasms (with ejaculation).
Jack> Radius, I'm very glad that shift re: around the corner is working for you now - that it's resonating for you!
Jack> Absolutely, artform!
Jack> Ok! Who has the Talking Stick now? Newer folks first, please.
Laly> <is keeping lips zipped :)
Radius> I don't know how new I am... But on the other hand I'm just blown away by what I've learned here today. I don't think I have any more questions!
artform> On the other hand (so to speak) as we strengthen the "dry" orgasmic response, we can connect to all the energetic potential of our body/mind/spirit and focus energies to an extraodinary extent, such as the orgasm of light.
Radius> I have one more question actually! Regarding Aneros - is it really helping? Is it a good tool to use alongside the KS?
Jack> Hang in there, Laly, your time will come! :)
Jack> I totally agree, artform!
Jack> For me those super-intense multiple orgasms I often spontaneously visualize as like a FIREHOSE of light surging out through my voice and sometimes out of the other chakras (energy centers of the body) as well.
artform> We are all different. Both KSMO and Aneros are great "training wheels" for me personally and have together taken me "above and beyond"!
rumel> Radius - I think you should keep the practices separate at least untill you have achieved consistent results apart.
Jack> I think the balance between the two varies within an individual over time, as well as from one individual to another.
Radius> Ok, thank you Rumel and Artform!
Jack> I agree, rumel!
Radius> Thank you Jack!
rumel> As artform said they are training wheels but I don't think you should put them on your bike simultaneously.
Jack> Radius could you summarize what you've learned today before we continue with someone else?
Radius> ok, I might get one but I'll keep the practices separate.
Jack> LOL, rumel!
Radius> I actually have yet another question... Am I OK to go?
Radius> The question is: Is it bad to use the KS while masturbating? I have found it very interesting to do so, and hard to resist doing...
Radius> Sorry Jack - I just saw your input there! I have no more questions after this one.
Jack> No I don't think it's bad at all. By all means, EXPLORE! AND continue to practice the 20 minute sessions two or three times per week, when possible.
Radius> Perfect! That's the answer I wanted ;)
Jack> The 20 minute practice sessions are your home base WITHIN the process of awakening... between practice sessions, do what you like! I just recommend that at least in two of the instances of KSMO 20 minute practice sessions per week, you do not ejaculate on that day, but wait at least until the next day.
Radius> I can't really summarize what I've learned today. I'm just blown away! I'm so happy and greatful for being part of this.
Jack> That will intensify those spontaneous Echo Effects™ BETWEEN sessions.
Epicurien> I understand exactly what you mean Radius, it is really hard not to do it since it is so much more intense with it than without it
Radius> Great!
Jack> RE: being blown away, Radius. That's GREAT! There's a VERY famous Zen Koan: Words Fail. It's a very ironic and playful koan, since WORDS are used to express it!
Radius> Epi - exactly! Jack - Wonderful!
artform> KSMO Super-Ms!
Jack> That koan underscores to me that the ineffable qualities of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Awakenings underscore that they ARE a path of ENLIGHTENMENT - of AWAKENING the Spirit.
Jack> Ok, who would like the Talking Stick?
Jack> You good folk are REALLY cookin' it up, today! :D :D :D
Jack> Epicurien re: hard not to do it... It's ok TO do it! ;)
Epicurien> lol Jack :)
Jack> I hope we get a chance to hear from Insight... but of course there is no obligation to do speak up.
Jack> Who would like the Talking Stick next?
rumel> Did we chase Laly away?
rumel> I thought she had something to say?
Jack> No, but she may have excused herself. :)
Jack> She knows where to find us. And of course there is a second chat starting in a little over 7 hours.
Jack> Yeah I believe she DID have something to say, and I look forward to her saying it. :)
artform> What's new with you Jack?
Jack> Thanks for asking, artform! What's new is working on Joomla, along with Canuck75... would you be willing to help us get it going? I'm not real techie so it's a bit of a struggle to wade through it. Once it's set up it'll be easier, but the config is a challenge. Taking a lot of energy!
Jack> Meanwhile, personally, my relationship with my Beloved Bride of a quarter century continues to Blossom in Bliss! Ever sweeter, and EVER MORE Gratitude!
artform> Great to hear! I'm no techie either, but willing to help where I can. My visual handicaps also limit "eyetime" available. Really looking forward to being able to use the Joomla possibilities!
Laly> (me too artform)
Jack> Thanks artform! AND Laly! We'll talk soon!
Radius> Laly's back!
artform> Wonder re Jackie and you and Gratitude! Such an important dimension of openess!
rumel> Oh good, Laly's back, we didn't chase her away afterall.
artform> *Wonderful!*
artform> Mrs. a and I are celebrating 40 years later this year.
Laly> (i never left guys )
Jack> That is absolutely FANTASTIC re: 40 years!!! WONDER FULL, artform... With huge heartfelt congratulations to both of you!
Jack> Ok, Laly, would you like the Talking Stick now?
Jack> Thank you for your patience!
Laly> only if you'd like me to re: stick
Laly> emotional "stability" is not very good for me right now
Jack> re: like you to... It's not about pleasing me, Ms. Laly... You get to choose if you want to speak or not. There's never any obligation on my part. :)
Jack> You know the good people here love you and support you. It's up to you how little or how much you want to share, and when.
Jack> :)
rumel> May I interject a couple of thoughts here?
Laly> *sighs
Laly> why not rumel .. go ahead
rumel> Earlier today we touched on the mental aspect of pleasure and how emotional states factored into the equation. I'd like to share an apt observation that I have found comforting to contemplate.
rumel> I once read that our emotional states are like the weather patterns for our soul. They are variable and will soon change, what we need to understand are the underlying causes that create those emotional patterns.
rumel> It is the turmoil of inner ideological conflicts and unresolved issues that create those patterns and the accompaning emotional states. When we resolve the conflicts our emotional states are calmed and sunny skies reign supreme. IMHO, It is then, when the weather is clear and bright, that our orgasmic energy can most easily flow.
rumel> So when you create your own rainstorm, you can stand there and get drenched or you can don a raincoat and umbrella and go play in deluge, the coice is yours.
Bobbyonabreak> Hey All, I have to go now, family will be here shortly, thanks for your advice, hopefully cya at the next on next one if not working, looking forward to reading the transcript when posted:)
rumel> ...the choice is ours.
Laly> (take care bobby- enjoy the day)
rumel> Bye B
Laly> very well said rumel
artform> Bye Bobby! All the best!
rumel> You have the Talking Stick back now Laly.
Jack> Have a good one Bobbyonabreak. You did GREAT work today! Thanks for all of your sharing!
Jack> Transcript will post to the Forum in about 3 hours from now.
Jack> You can email subscribe to the ChatBox forum and then you'll get an email notification.
artform> Great R! I flashed my "inner voice" or executive voice" now giving regular Emotional Forecasts and Orgasmic Predictions! LOL! Not to trivialize the emotional turbulence and related symptoms many of us can suffer.
artform> Laly, I read your earlier pre-chat discussion with Radius, and sorry to hear about your current dilema. Hugs
Jack> Ok, everybody take a nice relaxing breath... and let's honor Laly's holding of the Talking Stick.
artform> Many hugs LL
Laly> thanks artform
rumel> Yes hugs to Laly as she weathers this storm front moving through her life.
Jack> Likewise from me!
Jack> {{Laly!}}
Laly> thanks guys
Laly> no , it isn't an easy road for me right now
Laly> see 3 avenues that i could choose-- 1. change who I am...to please him--
Laly> 2. accept that I cannot change my deafness--and sit and suffer in emotional pain for the workshops he and i go to
Laly> or 3. walk away completely- despite accomplishments Ive made in other aspects in my life.
Laly> it is clear to me-- that he'll never understand what it is like to be in a group of people and no hear a blessed word being said
Laly> *not hear
Jack> May I ask a question?
Laly> to "make up" stories in my mind about what "may be" happening-- for the entire 8 hour workshop
Laly> sure jack
Jack> Have you made it known to the workshop leader(s) that you are hearing impaired and need assistance in being able to hear what is being said?
Laly> yes they both know...have known since I first started going-
Jack> And their response?
Jack> [Good for you, btw, for letting them know!]
Laly> one said-- you used to wear headphones...
Jack> Interesting you mentioned that. I was just visualizing your using headphones!
Laly> but as my hearing loss "progresses" further
Laly> even those are not helping enough
Jack> Typically, are there any other attendees who have a similar disability?
Laly> just the one speaker's husband...but he rarely attends/stays
rumel> Perhaps there are more than three options, but I have some questions. What would or could you change about yourself which might make a difference and do you think you'd be happy with that change? What is the emotional pain that you are suffering? Have you looked into cochlear implants? Is learning to lip read a possibility?
Jack> I wonder if that's because there's no support for helping him being able to understand what's going on, in a way similar to you.
Laly> hard for him to hear as well.
Jack> Coattailing on rumel's question: Are you able to read sign language?
Laly> no
Laly> not everyone uses the ASL.
Jack> Since your hearing continues to degrade - if I'm understanding you correctly - what alternative plans are you making for being able to continue to communicate with people and to understand their communications to you.
Laly> i know basic signs--a few...but with my LD (learning disability)
Laly> i haven't made any-
Laly> re: plans
Jack> Does that suggest a next step that you can take on your own behalf?
Laly> it is the block I mentioned earlier jack.
Jack> I'm not clear about what the block is, exactly.
Laly> admitting and accepting that i need help-
Laly> that i am to point it's necessary
Laly> in learning sign language
Laly> *sobs harder.
Jack> I'd like to invite you to replace the word admitting with acknowledging as a possible next small step. :)
rumel> Is there really any alternative to "admitting and accepting that i need help"
Jack> Any time one experiences a loss or acknowledging a loss, grief is a natural and healthy authentic response.
rumel> Agreed, grief is another short term emotional storm.
Jack> To me, admitting may imply to our subconscious that we are somehow wrong, or to blame, or are less than... whereas acknowledging doesn't seem to carry that baggage. What's your hunch?
Laly> probably--head hurts WAY too much right now to think that hard.
Laly> k am sorry...but i need some "down-time"- head is literally about to explode.
Jack> No worries... I understand.
Jack> Are you ok with understanding that it is natural to grieve the further loss that you're describing?
Laly> yes...but doesn't mean i like it :(
Laly> feeling this sadness, the gut-wretching hollow aching.
Laly> BUT i am "allowing" it flow...to release it- none-the less
Jack> Yeah I can TOTALLY understand that that is not something that you would like!
rumel> Laly, I sympathize with your continuing condition, it doesn't mean you have to like it, but allowing yourself to seek new options for coping may lead to some very life affirming experiences.
artform> Take good care Laly. You've shown you are very brave and resourceful before. I think that you can find the way. Hugs.
Jack> Yeah that sounds like a VERY strong path... the allowing it to flow, to bless and release... And to ask your Higher Power whatever that means for you, to Light your Way forward.
Laly> thanks artform :))
Laly> yes i know rumel...
Jack> AND to take some very small step on your behalf... Just a next little tiny step - even if that's just a soothing warm bath, or whatever you feel moved to do on your own behalf.
Laly> i'll be back for later chat-- after resting for a bit
rumel> Laly, my own ED has lead me here (to KSMO) and enriched me already
Jack> You bet! That's an EXCELLENT next step for right now! :)
Jack> Rumel, that's very sweet that you're willing to share that.
Jack> Take sweet care of yourself, Laly. You know we love you here...
Jack> Is there anything else anyone would like to ask or share before we wrap up this chat session? The next chat begins in a little over 6 hours, according to the red countdown clock at the top of this page. ;)
Laly> yeah i know :)
artform> I've got my own hot hydrotherapy running too. Still far too many aching or sharp muscle spasms. Ah life! Thanks to you all my good friends!
Radius> Rumel, what you just said is so true - What has seemed like hell for me (deep depression etc.) has later proved to be a blessing in many ways.
Jack> You are VERY welcome artform. Enjoy your soak... It's wonderful to have you here. BTW, artform, you have a lot in common with Brother Pan re: all of the physical pain challenges.
rumel> As a wise woman said to me "When life hands you lemons, make lemonade!"
Jack> Radius, that's a very sweet share... And I really applaud your calmposting the depression into recognizing the blessing that was hiding within it.
Jack> Love that vitamin SEE, rumel!
artform> That these energies transcend whatever collections of life wounds we each carry is miraculous, or at least delicious! Hallelujah!
Jack> I think it's both miraculous AND delicious, artform! :D
artform> I'm always BOTH/AND too Jack!
Radius> Now I'm crying again. It's just so beautiful!
rumel> Many years ago I read somewhere this platitude, "Life never presents us with more than we can handle." I believe that to be true.
artform> Hugs to you too Radius, from a fellow depression sufferer.
Radius> Thank you!
rumel> Radius - Bliss tears are the Windex for the windows to your soul.
artform> Whatever doesn't kill us improves us, eh R!
rumel> Absolutely artform.
Radius> :)
Radius> Thank you all! I have got to eat now. I can't wait to try everything I've learned today! Speak to you next time!
Jack> rumel - I love the Windex for the soul riff!
Jack> Ok, Radius. Thanks very much for being here today and sharing so much!
rumel> Bye Radius, "Live well and prosper" - Mr. Spock
Radius> Bye!
Jack> We're coming up on the top of the hour, so unless anyone else has anything they'd like to ask or share, I'm ready to excuse myself for a little over 6 hours - until my return for the start of the next chat.
artform> Thanks Jack. Yes Pan and I have had some great chats comparing notes on history, body conditions and our practices.
Jack> Y'all of course are welcome to keep chatting. I'm just gonna post the official hosted chat ending marker.
artform> All the best to All! Thanks again. Bye for now..
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20090523 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Bye all til next time... IN Joy!
rumel> I don't have anything more, Thanks again Jack for hosting, bye artform.
Jack> You're welcome bye all for now!
Session stop: Sat May 23 20:06:24 2009