Session start: Sat May 9 23:40:45 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2009058
Sky_Walker> Sorry can't hang around - mothers day
Laly> is okay sky walker
Laly> anything you wanna share real quick before you go?
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090510 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Hi everyone!
Laly> hi jack.
Jack> Bye Sky_Walker!
Jack> Hi Laly!
Laly> hi neptune n rumel.
Jack> Who would like to go first, to get the ball rolling? :)
Jack> Jeez, not everyone at once! lol...
Laly> lol...sorry...fading here
Jack> Anybody?
rumel> Hi Laly, (every time somebody says "hi jack" I think oops ther goes another car to be stripped) Hello Jack, Hi neptune56. I vote we allow neptune56 to introduce himself and ask first.
Jack> No worries, Laly... s'okay.
Jack> How about it, neptune56?
Jack> No obligation, of course. Anyone else?
Laly> i would -- if it's ok with rumel.
Jack> Sure... that ok, rumel?
rumel> OK by me!
Jack> You have the Talking Stick, Ms. Laly.
Laly> thanks...
Laly> it's been a Loooong time since I have done a practice
Laly> not because I dont "have" the time for one...
Laly> am finding it "hard" to get myself "into" the idea of doing that single caress again.
Laly> starting fresh-- or from beginning- so to speak.
Jack> It's not something you have to do.
Jack> You can use whatever doorway back into practice that feels comfortable to you.
Laly> i know...but last week something happened that literally has me
Jack> I'd be very concerned if you felt like you had to force yourself. That wouldn't be desirable.
Jack> (pls continue)
Laly> well to be honest-- frightened
Laly> confused at same time.
Laly> i had a nightmare-- something which I hadn't experienced= since yr after I was raped all those yrs ago.
Jack> Wow, it sounds like there's a big new growth step approaching.
Laly> so i've been questioned== is a fur-ball - or is it my subconscious trying to say something.
Jack> How long ago did this nightmare occur?
Jack> What's your hunch about possible answers to your question?
Laly> this last one-- latst friday at 4:30 am
Laly> i havent found answers yet jack.
Laly> was so bad- it triggered anxiety attack- couldnt breathe.
Laly> so i've decided to delay doing any practices until i can get thru this.
Jack> That seems prudent.
Jack> Shamanic tradition has said that fear is an arrow that points to unclaimed power, as you probably realize.
Laly> yes I do.
rumel> Laly - Interesting emphasis on "hard" & "into" double entendres? What might be a soft acceptable alternative? Curious statement - "i've been questioned" by whom?
Jack> I think it's a good decision because you should not have to force yourself to do anything you don't want to do.
Laly> OOH -- caught me-- on that re: questioned
Laly> as Jack knows...my brother's been talking to me-- samuel
Laly> he and I have been bouncing this between the 2 of us
Laly> as to why now and what it means..
Laly> Sam said same thing you did jack== re: growth potential.
Laly> re: force-- wasn't that i meant
Laly> i meant just making the time-- to relax and practice....
Jack> Ok, even though it has growth potential, that's of course not a reason to force yourself.
Jack> k, re: relax and practice. Thanks for clarifying.
Laly> *laughs....
Laly> lemme further clarify-
Laly> re: practicing-- it was BEFORE this nightmare occurred
Laly> i'd set aside some time-- to practice
Jack> How about sharing the nightmare with your counselor?
Jack> (sorry, didn't mean to interrupt)
Laly> but something would come up-- or the mind noise would come up
Laly> (is ok jack)
Laly> we've been trying to connect re: counselor.
Laly> haven't been able to do so at this time.
Laly> there's not much i recall of the nightmare.
Laly> just a few fluttering sensations ...not able to shake.
Jack> Have you spoken with your counselor by phone about it?
Laly> no
Laly> she hasn't responded whether she'd DO a phone consult
Laly> :(
Jack> How long has it been since you've asked her?
Laly> of the 6 emails i've sent??
Laly> not to mention 2 calls to her== about a month i believe
Laly> i was hoping to connect with her last week- but she never responded
Jack> I assume in your messages you let her know the intensity of your distress. Is that right?
Laly> gave a yes or no on my stopping by on friday
Laly> yes i did - always do jack.
Laly> my trust n faith with her is shaken...and i don't like saying that.
Jack> I hear you!
Jack> Is there anyone who knows her and you, who might be able to give you some insight about why her delay? Or who might intercede on your behalf?
rumel> I'm going to be blunt here, at the very least, a non response is discourteous and in the other direction it is unprofessional.
Laly> yeah-- but i hate putting him in the middle Jack
Jack> Well he has choice in the matter.
rumel> Perhaps a change of venue is appropriate.
Laly> I agree re: other comment rumel.
Laly> i know jack...but he knows MORE about me than she does.
Laly> rumel-- that is other thing am pondering--but there are NO female counselors closer
Jack> Are you saying that she may not have an accurate sense of the degree of your distress?
Laly> all sexual abuse counselors in my area-immediate are MEN
Laly> yes jack.
Laly> she doesnt know about latest nightmare episode.
Laly> i've yet to email her about it.
Jack> You are saying yes she may not have a complete awareness of the degree of your distress or history?
Laly> *sighs softly
Jack> or?
Laly> yes-only because she has not responded back to me--yet.
Jack> What are you willing to communicate in order to advocate on your own behalf?
Jack> ... communicate to her, that is.
Laly> not sure how mush to put in email-- as they can be intercepted
Laly> much-- not mush-- sorry 20 hour day catching up to brain n hand co ordination
Jack> I agree about the lack of security re: emails.
Jack> mush also sounds accurate if it's been a 20-hour awake day!
Laly> and not sure how to go into detail with her husband- who sets up her appointments.
Jack> Also understanding that nightmares are more likely when one is sleep deprived. It's like the veil between the worlds is thinner.
Laly> pert near-- 18 hours so far :( .
Laly> was in bed about 9 pm thurs== as was tired
Laly> beday before nightmare i mean
Laly> the day-- oh man ....typo city now :P
Jack> It occurs to me that an underlying message of the nightmare might be your subconscious urging you to take another step in the self-advocacy aspect of your recovery.
Laly> i agree...
Jack> RE: typos... most if not all of them so far have seemed to have some contextual relevance - again, the veil being thinner due to fatigue.
Laly> that's part of what i wanted to talk with HEr about.
Jack> What is?
Laly> yeah re: typos.
Laly> the message of the nightmare--
Jack> Thanks for clarifying. :)
Laly> that i was not regressing-- but being shown a new path
Jack> ...and maybe a wee nudge in that new path direction.
Jack> ...from your subconscious.
Laly> yeah :) .
Laly> well it put me in a very sour mood the entire weekend-- that nightmare.
Laly> thrying to figure out WHAT it meant.
Laly> instead of sharing it with Drew...as i'd normally do-- i kept it to self.
Jack> NO DOUBT!!! One ritual you can do in the interim is a visualization - that you can do with your eyes open or closed, when you get a chance... is that of calling on your subconscious to send you through the visualization, all the help you need to be safe and successful in taking that next growth step for self-advocacy, and then in your mind's eye see who shows up as allies.
Laly> yes
Jack> Yeah ok, so you're learning some stuff... including a little more about the natural tendency for an abuse survivor to isolate somewhat when approaching a new step in the healing process.
Laly> i've been using that method-- to recall my childhood
Laly> it's been awesome-- remembering what I couldn't -- before.
rumel> Why do you suppose you didn't want to share as you would "normally do" ?
Jack> ...as in awe-full and somewhat awful as well!
Laly> honestly rumel-- i was embarrassed and ashamed
Jack> < my comment was re: your last comment Laly at 3:02
Jack> Re: embarrassed and ashamed... THERE'S a clue that you're hitting pay dirt!
Jack> My own subconscious keeps reminding me to remind you that the Chinese character for Crisis is the same for Opportunity!
Laly> yeah
rumel> Yes, I think tunneling to the impetus for embarrasment and shame will reveal much about the nightmare's meaning.
Laly> that's how i felt-after the anger dissapated jack.
Laly> an opportunity-- not a detriment.
Jack> How it all feels to me, Laly... more than anything, pretty much, is that it's a BIG opportunity for you to take another step in your recovery by taking another step in your recovery and healing.
Jack> GREAT! RE: your statements of 3:07, Laly!
Laly> *beems
Jack> RE: Her husband... or anyone in such a similar situation - that of gatekeeper between you and a recovery resource - is not: Are they safe? But rather: Are they safe ENOUGH for you to take the risk to share with them JUST ENOUGH to let them know the urgency and its basis.
Jack> JUST ENOUGH for you to access the recovery resource and support you need at this point in your recovery.
Laly> i can try jack...
Jack> Yes that's true.
Jack> And you can bookend that step by post here when you're getting ready to take such a step and what your plan is, and then another post after you've done so. Those are the bookends of the recovery step - the self-advocacy step.
Jack> Remember the guideline: JUST ENOUGH to get the help you need.
Laly> okay
Jack> Whew good work, girl! You're burnishing your shield of courage again... shining it up nice and bright! :)
Jack> Okay?
Laly> aww gonna make me cry now
Laly> yeah-- okay
rumel> Laly I'd like to ask a rather silly question if I may. You can just put up a happy face if you don't want to answer. Why do you use such a diminutive type face?
Jack> Rain makes the flowers grow. :)
rumel> Flowers attract the bees, the bees make the honey, I like honey!
rumel> nature's ripple effects...
Laly> diminutive type face?? i don't understand rumel??
Jack> Laly, I also want to give you an AASECT contact, so you'll know you have a backup. She's an LCSW in Branford CT. I don't know if she does phone consultations. But she might also be able to make a referral if the need arose. I trust her a very great deal. Just so you know you have a backup plan, if the need be. And you might want to give her a call just to find out what she might say.
Laly> thanks Jack-- i'd appreciate it.
Jack> She's super smart, has a VERY big heart, and she's got MAJOR clinical training in sexuality issues.
rumel> L - What is the size you are using as your default? 1,2, 3 or 4?
Jack> Please tell'er I referred you: Her name is: Michele Sugg.
rumel> Hi Drew
Laly> ok
Jack> Ok, Laly?
Jack> (I typed that before I saw your: ok)
Jack> Anything else before passing the Talking Stick, Laly?
Laly> no== too tired to go on more = thanks
Jack> You're VERY welcome!
Laly> and thank you as well rumel
Laly> 2 rumel==
Jack> Hug from me ok? (It's ok to say no - always!).
rumel> Hi Buster
Drew> Hi rumel.
Laly> too small to read for u ??
Buster> Hi everyone.
rumel> Laly - You are more than welcome to any support I can give.
Drew> Hi Buster.
Jack> Well helloooo Buster! And Hello again Drew!
Laly> hugs always ok
Jack> Rumel thanks for being so supportive of Laly during this share.
Laly> <luvs hugs
Jack> Who would like to go next?
Jack> {{{Laly}}}!!!
rumel> L - I can read it, but I am curious why you choose to use a small font size.
Laly> i dunno-- is easy for me to read-
Laly> i'll fix it tomorrow--this tiger needs her sleep
rumel> Laly - Here's a big hug for you (BTW, Iv'e been told I give good hug)
Laly> :D:D
Jack> Only if YOU feel it "needs" fixing, Laly.
Jack> And you don't have to decide that tonight.
Laly> thanks
rumel> Bon soir Tigress.
Laly> i do same thing at work-- make fonts smaller
Jack> You're quite welcome, Laly!
Jack> Ok, who would next like the Talking Stick?
Laly> i dunno if it is left side of brain coming into play or what
Laly> nite
Buster> I just dropped by to say hello.
Jack> Nice to see ya Buster! How's life?
Buster> I have got nothing on my mind really. Been a whirlwind couple of weeks. I am headed out to the west coast this week.
Jack> I hope you're not headed for Santa Barbara!
Buster> Nope. San Francisco.
Jack> But I DO hope you have a GREAT trip!
rumel> Buster did you surf the Moon waves earlier?
Drew> Be sure to wear some flowers in your hair!
Jack> Ahhhh... what the late Herb Caen used to lovingly call Baghdad by the Bay.
Buster> I did not Rumel. I wanted to but I had plans and I just got home. I wanted to though.
Jack> Back when Baghdad wasn't a dirty word.
Buster> One of the things I am going to do in SF is run in the Bay to Breakers. Anybody heard of that?
Jack> Good Advice Drew! LOL :D
rumel> "where little cable cars fly halfway to the stars..."
Jack> Wow that's exciting, Buster re: Bay to Breakers! What a thrill!!!
Jack> AND a great workout!
rumel> Yes I've heard of the 'Bay to Breakers' run
Jack> There's probably a fair bit of youtube videos about Bay to Breakers.
Buster> It is the 4th or 5th time I have run in it. This time I am running in honor of my brother who passed away out there about a month ago. He loved the B to B.
Jack> That's really very moving, Buster.
Buster> Re: Youtube of the race....you better be over 18 to view.
Jack> I'm sure he's very pleased! His Spirit will probably be hot on your heels. ;)
Jack> Oh, right, Buster. Kind like the old days of personal computers when people bragged about having dual floppies.
Drew> I am sorry for your loss, Buster.
Buster> Thanks Drew. It has been a difficult one. The first loss of a sibling. But we are all very spiritual and know that we will see eachother again.
Buster> I don't want to bring the mood down here. That is just what is going on at the moment.
Drew> That's wonderful, Buster!
Jack> Thanks for letting us know what's exciting in your life these days, Buster!
Buster> For those of you that have heard of the race, I WILL BE CLOTHED!
Jack> Peeps, I'm starting to fade as we slide into hour 6 or so for me in the channel today. Who'd like the Talking Stick?
Drew> LOL
Buster> I don't need it tonight Jack. Thanks for asking. I just wanted to pop in and say hi.
Jack> That wind blowing thru the Golden Gate can get a bit nippy!
Jack> VERY glad you did, Buster. You always lift my spirits!
Buster> Don't say that, one year my nipples bled. I will never let that happen again!
rumel> Jack I just have a quick comment about the early chat today.
Buster> Ouch!
Drew> "Jogger's Nipple" can be excruciating!
rumel> Jack, earlier today I used the term "unfamiliar" to be substituted for "unpleasureable" as a way to take a smaller step in the same direction you were trying to lead 'Bobbyonabreak' toward a postitive reframing of his cognitive approach.
Buster> No doubt.
rumel> I liked the fact you made a bigger step by substituting "new".
Jack> Thanks rumel. And thanks for your contribution in that regard as well.
rumel> That's all I had for this evening so as far as I am concerned you are free to lumber of to slumberland.
Jack> Part of the theory behind that, rumel, from a cognitive perspective is that it's a more complex to think of a not-something or an un-something than just an affirmative statement, which may be easier for the younger parts of the psyche and spirit to process and anchor.
Jack> Thanks rumel! I'm still here, at your service, if anyone would like the Talking Stick.
Buster> Good night everyone. Until next time.
rumel> Yeah that makes perfect sense to me.
Drew> Goodnight, Buster.
rumel> 'night Buster
Buster> I will tip my hat to you Rumel as I pass overhead this week.
rumel> :) Cool.
Jack> Any takers for the Talking Stick?
orion> May I have the stick?
orion> I won't be long
Drew> Go for it, Orion!
rumel> Hi orion
Jack> Hi orion! Sure!
rumel> please speak orion
orion> Hello everyone
orion> Well I have experience orgasm twice but in a very strange way
orion> I like to practice on my side and on different weeks I fell in between both worlds, of being awake and being asleep
orion> It was during this time that I experience both orgasms. It was better than cuming, more intense but
orion> It almost felt like it was a dream as i was in that spot between both worlds. Should I now be able to bring this into my awake experience?
Jack> There's one way to find out! ;)
rumel> What is your implication behind the word "should"?
orion> rumel, such a linguist! :) You're correct. No should, should be implied...Have others spoken of this happening?
Jack> What is it that you're wanting to invite into the waking life?
Jack> [jj giving a linguistic wink to rumel for that edit]
Jack> That is, orion, when you said: this into the waking life. What is the this to which you're referring?
orion> orgasm without ejaculation
rumel> I think if you desire to manifest that experience on a more conscious level you should feel free to do so.
Jack> I have a hunch that will happen as you continue to practice.
orion> that's the thing, it has not occured consciously yet thought I feel that it is getting closer now to happening
Jack> BTW, when you practice for the 20 minutes, do you include the single sensual touch or caress at least some of the time?
rumel> Isn't that the essential goal of KSMO?
orion> yes I have for the last few weeks been doing that and I like it. Tonight I did not even have to touch myself and I could feel tingling in my head (lower one) :p
Jack> lol, cool!
Jack> What other questions or things to share, do you have tonight?
orion> I read a post my MOG where he told a guy to use 3 stroks because the thought the guy needed a little more stroking to get him aroused. So I tried this and it seemd to work quite well.
orion> Is the carress a strok or just touching your head and rubbing it in a circle for a few seconds?
Jack> It's any touch of any area of your body that feels good. It doesn't have to be genital.
orion> until you get aroused. Or can you keep touching and doing the sound at he same time? Would that be off protocol?
Jack> The important thing is that it's a pleasurable touch. It doesn't even necessarily have to erotic - just pleasant to the touch, be that your own touch in solo practice or a partner's touch or even loving eye contact when sharing practice with an informed consenting partner.
Jack> What do you mean by until you get aroused?
Jack> Do you mean until you feel turned on, or until you get an erection? (I ask because sometimes people conflate arousal and erection, just as others conflate orgasm and ejaculation)?
Jack> Are you still there, orion?
orion> yes
orion> how would you define aroused?
Jack> Are you ok with answering the question I just asked about what you meant when you said until you get aroused. I'm just trying to clarify what you mean by aroused.
orion> oh yes I meant that I touch myself until I felt some pleasurable sensation in my penis but I did not have to be erect to do this.
Jack> Aroused to me means feeling pleasure, especially erotic pleasure. It does not automatically imply erection.
rumel> I would define aroused as feelings of intense sexual excitement and interested in performing varying sexual acts to the point of experiencing orgasm.
orion> sorry my computer was being slow tonight
Jack> Ok, great! Thanks for clarifying. :)
Jack> I would say, rumel, that to me your definition would characterize higher arousal.
rumel> Yeah that's because lower arousal is pretty much a normal state for me. :)
Jack> Physiologically arousal, beginning at the lower end of the spectrum, would also include change in natural breathing pattern.
Jack> Thanks for clarifying, rumel!
Jack> orion... did we answer your questions to your satisfaction or if not could you restate question(s) addressing what we've overlooked?
orion> so arousal is being 'turned on'? or in the mood? so to speak?
rumel> I think that qualifies.
orion> and can I keep touching myself while doing the key sound or should I stop for the 4 breaths?
rumel> I think continuous caresses are off protocol.
Jack> I agree with rumel's qualifies comment.
orion> Ok. My thanks to you both. I pass the stick.
Jack> orion, did you download a copy of the pdf Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update?
Jack> That's your flight manual for the 20 minute practice sessions.
Jack> It's just a single pleasurable touch, followed by a Key Sound™ followed by two to four regular, relaxing breaths, repeat.
orion> Well I got a copy when I purchase the course revision 20050127
Jack> Yep, that's the one!
Jack> I believe in there it specifies a single pleasurable touch or caress, pause the touch or caress while maintaing the contact, do a gentle unforced Key Sound™, followed by two to four relaxing breaths, repeat for about 20 minutes.
Jack> That's the Multi-Orgasmic Secret of the Ages for Men AND Women! :D
orion> Ok I'll do that. I love how you make it sound so simple. I'm sure it is and I'll practive to keep it simple. :)
Jack> It actually IS very simple. The challenge is trance-ending all of the previously enculturated patterns of increasing arousal, and learned limitation about the nature of arousal through orgasm, whether or not ejaculation occurs. That's true regardless of gender, adult age, or sexual orientation.
orion> or religion! hehehehehe
rumel> I'm finding the trick is to vocalize properly to get the resonate vibrations, simple in principle but tricky in practice.
Jack> re: religion, yeah, that's part of the previously enculturated patterns, and learned limitations. :)
Jack> rumel what about it seems tricky to you?
rumel> Being consistent, not forcing or applying effort to induce that frequency where I feel the vibrations throughout my chest not just in the throat.
rumel> When I do a good KS I do feel it resonate to start complimentary vibrations in other parts of my body but I lose the consistency.
rumel> I can see that repeated proper vocalization will build the arousal levels.
Jack> Thanks very much for clarifying, yeah that goes to the learned patterns I was referring to. It's a challenge, but that's why I provide the support that I do, which of course - and VERY thankfully - includes this wonderful online community of mutually supportive practitioners.
Jack> Yes I agree with what you just said. Also, invite you to release yourself from the cognitive and emotional burden of "needing" to be consistent. That's that control vs. allowing challenge sneaking into your practice, methinks.
Jack> What is consistent is that the energy and even your articulation of the Key Sound™ will naturally ebb and flow, like just about everything else in nature. ;)
rumel> The religion, learned enculturation, and yes the ego control are part of the mind noise issues but they are separate from the physicality of the body practices, though tey obviously impact outcomes greatly.
rumel> I was trying to answer the "tricky" part of the simple protocol.
Jack> That said, what you're describing, for the most part still seems to me to be the challenge between the ears... How one cognitively frames the experience that one has during practice... at least once one has received confirmation from me that the Key Sound™ articulation is correct enough.
Jack> I don't think that difficulty is inherent in the Protocol itself.
Jack> But I do hear your frustration!
Jack> And it is quite common, and quite understandable, imho!
rumel> I did not mean to imply there was difficulty in the protocol itself, only my difficulties in executing it.
Jack> Ok. what else for this evening before we call it a night (or an early morning!)?
Jack> I hear you rumel. We're on the same page.
rumel> Yes the cognitive issues are the more difficult to address, not the simplicity of your protocol.
Jack> Please don't execute the Protocol! ;) Just play with it.
rumel> :D:D
Jack> I'm getting a little tinge of your maybe kinda beating up on yourself because you may not be getting it the way you want or expect.
rumel> OK I will just play with it, a lot.
Jack> And believe me, I understand the frustration. The challenge there in my view is to transform the frustration into acceptance in that moment, while continuing the practice.
Jack> LOL, yeah man, that's more like it! :D
rumel> There is always my tendency to overthink things, again mind noise.
Jack> BTW rumel, I really appreciate the way you support our fellow community members during the chats, with your intellect, questions, comments, and genuine caring. Thank you.
Jack> Yeah it's good that you recognize that tendency... and when you notice it about yourself, just treat yourself to a little Buddha laughter. Like yep, I'm human!
rumel> Hey, I appreciate the help people give me, I am very happy to offer whatever insight I may have to help them.
Jack> Thanks for being that way!
Jack> Ok, guys, anything else before we wrap it for this session?
rumel> Speaking of Buddha laughter...
orion> I'm good. Thank you both. :p
rumel> That Bodisattva im metro video was great! thanks for the link.
Jack> Hey you bet, re: the video. It's really TRUE how contagious authentic laughter can be!
Jack> My friend who shared that link was very pleased to see the ripples her little gift to me triggered through our Forum. It really meant a lot to her.
Jack> All right fellas shall we wrap it up for tonight?
rumel> It is also rippling through the Aneros Forum!
Jack> THANK YOU for being here, and for bringing your core authentic self to this exchange!
Jack> GREAT re: ripples in the Aneros Forum.
rumel> That's a wrap (but only with faux fur)
Jack> BTW, I want to make at least some of the Aneros chats when possible. Is there a regular time they occur?
Jack> Roger, copy re: only with faux fur!
rumel> Lately they have been occuring every other weekend.
Jack> What time?
rumel> They are open Chats lasting all weekend long.
Jack> Do they send out a reminder email that I can subscribe to?
rumel> The next chat is : 2009-05-15 17:00:00 PST 2009-05-17 22:00:00 PST
Jack> Could you please email me a link that will take me right to that chat zone where the announcements and the chat itself takes place? I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks for the date on the next one, too.
rumel> They do not send out emails but there is a new tab called "CHAT" that lists the times of the next sessions.
rumel> http://www.aneros.com/chat.php
rumel> That link takes you right there.
Jack> Ok, great that's perfect. Thanks! Oh btw, we could use some more volunteers to help us with the CONTENT in the Joomla area once we finish getting it set up. Looking for Authors, Editors, Publishers, and possibly Moderators. It's a form-based system for the most part.
Jack> The idea is to mine all of the great stories and information that's accumulated in this Forum since 1997, and make it more accessible... For example a column that can be updated re: premature ejaculation, another re: recovery from sexual abuse, another re: KSMO and disabilities, etc.
rumel> I'm tempted but I already spend a lot of time on the Aneros Forum, so I am not going to commit to anything at this time.
Jack> Darn!
Jack> I'm jealous. They have so much help over there, and I still have very little here. :o
rumel> :D artform is your man!
Jack> Not that I'm trying to guilt trip you or anything! :eek:
Jack> Ok, I'll pitch him. Thanks!
rumel> Actually they don't have that much help from the company over there as far as content goes.
Jack> All right guys, I'm pretty well toast for tonight. See you in the Forum, Blogs, and next Chats... Have fun with your practice! Thanks again for being here tonight!
rumel> Good night Jack and orion
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 20090510 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Good night!
Laly> hi Doc!! just replied to your thread
Laly> hi slipperybugger
slipperybugger> Hi, Laly. Sorry I missed you...
Jack> I've just posted some UPDATES to the Joomla thread, please check out the links there to additional templates for you to consider and click all of the buttons on the templates to try them out and learn more about all of the cool features available!
Jack> Hi Sky_Walker, how goes practice?
Sky_Walker> Hi Jack, slowly but surely, after some early fast progress Im settling in.
Sky_Walker> spending some time now searching through your site
Sky_Walker> new colour?
Jack> Hey that's great! Be sure to check out the latest news about our Joomla development project
Jack> In that thread I've just posted links to some video tutorials about how YooTheme templates (in our forthcoming Joomla area of the site) that are pretty cool!!!
Jack> Sky_Walker, I just replied to your post.
Sky_Walker> Thanks Jack, I've been reading for 4 hours on this rainy Saturday
Sky_Walker> so much to absorb
Jack> Hey Sky_Walker... that's really great that you're digging in to this gold mine of information! I hope you'll take a break at some point and give yourself a practice session. Don't forget to include the caress part... It hooks in the autonomic nervous system that's at the core of Awakening the multi-orgasmic response without ejaculating (unless or until you actually want that).
Session stop: Sat May 16 18:30:11 2009

>I read a post my MOG where he told a guy to use 3 strokes because the thought the guy needed a little more stroking to get him aroused.....<

I don't recall ever writing that.