Session start: Sat Apr 25 23:33:36 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090424
canuck75> hey, am I too late for the chate?
canuck75> chat?
Jack> WONDERFUL blog post you just made, by the way! Congratulations Adept Canuck75! :D
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090426 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi January, Welcome!
Jack> January, were Crunkyeah's and Canuck75's responses to your recent post about the challenge of enjoying orgasm without ejaculation helpful?
Jack> BTW January, if you're not sure how to type in this ChatBox, please email me with a contact phone or just an email to let me know that and I'll help you.
Jack> I'm going to go afk for a while since no one is here yet. I'll check back on the quarter hour. Wishing each of you all the very best! - JJ
Jack> check. bk n 15
rumel> What's an afk?
Jack> away from keyboard. :) I'm back are you still here?
rumel> Yes
Jack> Alloooo, is this the party with whom I'm speaking?
Jack> Ah great! Welcome! What would like to discuss? I'm here to help however I might.
rumel> It looks like a quite night in the Yukon?
rumel> Actually I would like to pick your brain for a bit, if nobody else drops in.
Jack> Please go ahead.
rumel> I'm getting back to work on the script for the self-hypnosis session for KSMO newbies, what types of things should I definitely avoid including?
Jack> It would probably be easier to send me a draft and I can let you know if I have any concerns about anything. And thanks for asking! :)
rumel> I am getting back to work on the guided self hypnosis KSMO session script.
rumel> What kinds of things should I definitely avoid?
rumel> I have realized that too much suggestion during the protocol practice portion is distracting.
rumel> We seem to have a lot of system latency tonight.
rumel> Jack, I will definitely run the script by you before hiring the professional voices to execute it.
Jack> It may be that your recording might best serve as preparation for 20 minute practice of the Protocol, where the focus is on what they are feeling and sensing internally, rather than listening to an external voice.
rumel> This chat probably is not the best place to discuss this anyway.
Jack> At least some of the time I'd recommend doing it that way. Then whichever seems to result in the most satisfying results is likely the better path for them.
Jack> And of course that can change within a session and from session to session. This practice is definitely always a work in progress, and nearly ever-changing, it seems.
Jack> re: best place I sent you an email.
rumel> Have you got any favorite affirmations that I could use as part of the subliminal audio track?
Jack> I'll need to incubate that, but will do so, and let you know.
rumel> OK, that's cool. How's the 'Joomla' interface going? I know it is taking much longer than you anticipated.
Jack> Is there anything else I might help you with this evening?
Jack> yeah re: Joomla have you checked my latest post in that thread?
rumel> No, I haven't, I did get your mass email letter though.
Jack> As of 20090425 heres the latest news I have about installing Joomla
Jack> Was posted 24th April 2009, 21:37
rumel> OK, I just read it, Wednesday huh? I hope it rolls out easily.
Jack> We may not get it all the way on to the production server, i.e. on multiples.com by then, but at least have it installed SOMEwhere where we can thrash it a bit.
rumel> Other than that I don't have any questions tonight, sooooo, you don't need to stick around on my account.
Jack> I'll let all subscribers know through our maillist and we'll beta test our idiosyncratic installation of the vBulletin-to-JFusion-to-Joomla connections and databases. It is as they say, non-trivial, at least for us! :)
Jack> Ok, Brother, thanks for being here tonight, and working on that program to support KSMO practice. That's very cool of you! I look forward to hearing your first draft! :)
rumel> I'll let you get to bed early or let you have more fun play time with your wife tonight, take care and good night. I'll look forward to the new interface.
Jack> Ok, rumel, thanks again, and all the very best to you! Happy Spring!!!
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 200904026 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA
January> test
Jack> Hey January, what's up!
January> hi jack
January> curious if you read a blog entry i posted the other day
Jack> Nice to meet you!
January> likewise
January> i have this strange problem of ejaculating without actually having an orgasm. it's exceedingly frustrating. ever heard of something liek that?
Jack> Yes I did. Did you see Crunkyeah's and Adept Canuck75's replies posted in reply to you?
January> yeah i don't know if they got what i was saying.
Jack> Here's the post we're talking about.
Jack> For continuity in this discussion would you please summarize what it is your asking that you think they missed?
January> yeah, that's it
January> it seems to me they were thinking my problem was with KSMO orgasms, not regular orgasms from sex.
Jack> Would you please restate your question here?
January> i'm trying to understand why i don't seem to have orgasms from sex and oral sex. like i just ejaculate after a while and it doesn't feel good. I originally bought your course because it relates obviously to increased pleasure. To be honest i've only tried the protocol half a dozen times because i just don't know if it would help. At the end of the day i want basically just to be able to enjoy sex normally.
Jack> Have you discussed this with your physician?
January> couple years ago.
January> was a waste of time
January> tested hormones, testosterone etc., all fine
Jack> Where generally do you live?
January> sent me to a dick Dr. who didn't really do much just said it looked normal, normal blood flow etc
January> manitoba
January> (canada)
January> I'll often have orgasms if my wife gives me a hand job; but oddly enough i generally don't have one if i were to do that myself.
Jack> Ok... I think the point the guys were making to you is that it may not be a physiological or mechanical issue.
January> yeah, i picked that up.
Jack> Have you ever enjoyed sex?
January> i've always enjoyed it but it just doesn't feel good.
January> i more enjoy the views
January> if i were to close my eyes while my wife was giving me a blow job 75% of the time i wouldn't be able to reliably say whether or not she was taking a break. yet i'll always have an ejaculation.
January> do the guys who get good at the KSMO have better feeling/more pleasurable sex?
Jack> Yes, both guys and gals... But the increase in pleasure may often begin in the emotional center, the heart, rather than in the genitals. Sometimes there is stuff having to do with the heart that may need healing before the genitals feel able to open to greater feeling and satisfaction.
Jack> Will you please send me an email and let me know what town or city you live in? If it's a small town, please let me know the nearest big city, in the email.
Jack> Hi orion!
January> what difference does it make where i live?
January> what is your emial?
Jack> Have you ever experience sexual pleasure, even when younger, that did not require lots of visual stimulation? BTW, how old are you, and how is your health generally? Have you ever had chronic illness, etc.?
orion> Hi Jack
January> nearing 30, excellent health, no illnesses, rarely even get a cold
January> have it, thanks
Jack> Ok, thanks for the additional details.
Jack> I'd like to address something you said earlier, ok?
January> just emailed you
January> fire away
Jack> It's the statement: i've only tried the protocol half a dozen times because i just don't know if it would help.
January> yeah
Jack> I would say that the only way you're likely to find out is to practice it according to the recommendations that have historically yielded results for others.
Jack> If you don't do that, you can probably be assured that it won't help you, since you will not have really tried it.
January> no doubt about that.
Jack> Ok, do you plan on practicing the Protocol as recommended? If so, I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have about doing so.
January> i guess that when i first got the program i didn't see the big cross-over potential for use in sex.
January> it seems more directed at solo ventures.
January> can one do the protocol with one's wife?
Jack> The 20 minute practice sessions are indeed initially solo, so you can learn about your own sexual response in this new way... That is to learn how to all0w the awakening of this response in your self before sharing it with your partner.
Jack> Basically, as the response begins to awaken in you, you capacity for feeling more during sex with your wife is likely to increase automatically.
January> so do you actually use elements of the protocol or the key sound during sex as well, or is it just that generally your capacity to feel expands which naturally benefits sex?
Jack> Couple's exercise is also described in the seminar. But I strongly recommend you begin by solo practice - same for your wife if/when she becomes interested in enhancing her own orgasmic response in a new way.
Jack> re: your question, it's likely to be some of both, but mostly your ability to experience what to you will be a new, much more profound and pervasively intense arousal whether you enjoying solo sex or with your wife.
January> i recall the seminar describing passing the sound back and forth..
Jack> The practice leads to opening yourself emotionally as well as physiologically.
Jack> Yes learning to pass the energy back and forth is part of the couples' exercise, which the protocol recommends you explore after you've calibrated your own response at least to some degree.
artform> Hi All! Have read January's tale here.
January> protocol talks about using a single touch; is the idea that that touch is pleasurable or just in an erogenous area?
Jack> That's generally the way that seems to work best for people.
Jack> Hi artform, Welcome!
January> which way?
Jack> The idea of the touch during the 20 minute solo practice sessions is to use the least amount of erotic stimulation that will nevertheless virtually inevitably result in an automatic inhale.
Jack> It is at the moment of that automatic inhale in response to the pleasurable touch that you articulate the Key Sound™ in a gentle, unforced manner.
January> hmmmmm. is it not then generally necessary to at least have an erection?
Jack> That is why the next step for you is to make an .mp3 recording of about 5 examples of your Key Sound™ articulation and post it to the Free Key Sound™ Validation Area.
Jack> By the way, that particular sub-forum is specially configured so that only you and I will know that you've made a post there,
Jack> and only you and I will be able to download and listen to your sound sample.
Jack> It's not like the blogs and forum posts, which are viewable by the public and fellow members of our online community.
January> good to know.
Jack> VERY good question about is an erection necessary. The answer is definitely not!
Jack> Erection is not necessary to experience orgasm, even for men, and that is one of the first lessons to learn!
January> how do you have a good enough feeling to have an automatic intake of breath then?
Jack> Don't worry about erection during intercourse - that's different. Once you've used the Key Sound™ Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ to awaken the response, then it will tend to translate automatically into your lovemaking with your wife.
January> no no
Jack> And it won't be necessary to use the Key Sound™ when you're making love with her.
Jack> There's no such thing as a good enough feeling in this regard.
January> you said that the stimulation has to be enough but not more than enough that you have an automatic intake of breath.
Jack> If you touch your genitals or nipple or anywhere that feels even slightly good to you, you will automatically inhale, at least a little bit. It's nearly impossible to prevent it, even if you tried!
Jack> So you don't have to worry about whether it's happening or not. Just do a touch where it feels good and then do a gentle, unforced, and unhurried Key Sound™ as I've demonstrated in the audio seminars.
Jack> There's an understandable tendency for some newbies to ask a lot of questions in the beginning - in an attempt to kind of think your way through the whole experience first, but that's usually not terribly productive.
Jack> What's productive is to just go ahead and practice as described in the pdf Update of the Protocol Summary.
January> aright.
January> one more question: is the 'no sex after' a strict rule?
Jack> I just emailed you a copy, to make sure you have one at hand. Please save the file and print hard copy. And then follow the steps as closely as you can, and post in the Forum what you experience, and any new questions.
Jack> Likewise, also after a week of practice - which would be two or three 20 minute sessions with at least one day in between, then go ahead and make an .mp3 recording of your Key
Jack> Sound™ articulation and post it to the private Key Sound Validation Area.
Jack> That's really the best I can tell you about how to learn this lifelong skill.
Jack> artform, is there anything you'd care to add?
Jack> rumel? orion? dleon? How about you?
rumel> January in response to the question Doy you enjoy sex" you said "i've always enjoyed it but it just doesn't feel good." which has a strange dichotomy to it. Can you further explain?
artform> Just curious January, do you do any intentional relaxation or meditation informally or formally?
artform> Hi R!
rumel> Hi af
artform> By that I mean something that quiets the mind and eliminates the mind noise of daily life as part of gently focusing on your body and erotic feelings?
rumel> Oops It looks like January already left the chat room.
artform> Is January still with us? Doesn't appear currently in my chatbox, though still in Currently Active Users at bottom of page...
Jack> ChatBox list has bug, believe the list at the bottom of the page. :D
rumel> Hello orion & dleon.
artform> ANFSCD, how are things with you all in BC Jack?
Jack> Lovely thanks!
artform> Hi orion and dleon.
Jack> We love it here.
rumel> ANFSCD?
Jack> Does anyone else want the Talking Stick unless or until January resurfaces?
orion> Hi rumel and artform
artform> And Now For Something Completely Different!:D
rumel> OK got it. thanks, all these internet acronyms are new to me.
Jack> Who has a question or a comment?
Jack> :)
artform> I haven't seen that one before either!;)
rumel> January's dilemma has also cropped up on the Aneros Forum at least once before, it is a curious phenomenon.
artform> Just a bit of news, in addition to not having internet during January because of towers crashing at our ISP's facilities, I had an accident in late Feb. which left me with a concussion and whiplash that I am just now getting beyond and back to some sense of normality.
Jack> Holy ****, artform!!!
Jack> Whoa, thanks for letting us know. Is Mrs. A ok? Anyone else injured?
rumel> I'm sorry to hear that artform, maybe the letter I sent you will raise your spirits.
artform> Much physiotherapy, signs of nerve damage and other things...
Jack> Any residual symptoms af?
Jack> Oh JEEZ!
artform> No one else injured. Mrs. a is AOK!:)
artform> Haven't had a day without headaches.
Jack> Glad to hear THAT, but Jeez, Brother... I'm VERY sorry to hear about this challenge!
Jack> My glad to hear was obviously NOT about your having headaches, but about mrs. A and all others being ok.
artform> Even so, mrs. a and I have had some very nice sessions. Can still find those energies!!! Hallelujah!:D
Jack> Whew! Thank Goodness for THAT!!!
rumel> artform - I think it's time for the universe to give your body some respite from these onslaughts.
Jack> What's the prognosis, af?
Jack> I second THAT emotion, rumel!
artform> Couldn't agree more R! Thanks Jack!
rumel> Hopefully that was the final payment for any karmic debts you had to repay.
artform> It has aggravated the old injuries. A matter of time to calm everything down and again stengthen some week of more damaged areas.
artform> *weak or"
artform> One *sensitive* friend claims I have had twelve past lives. Who know what havoc I have raised and "karmic debts" eh R!
Jack> OMG artform, what a comforting thought - not!!! Hey guys, I hate to do this, but it's getting close to 10PM where I live and I'm going to need to get going. Is there anything else I can answer, or help anyone with tonight?
artform> Anyway, that's probably enough on that, but apologies for not having been around much.
Jack> You all of course are quite welcome to continue chatting as long as you want. I just want to make sure everyone's questions get answered.
Jack> Yeah artform, we've missed you! Thank you very much for letting us know!
artform> Close to 1:00 am here! Goodnight All! See you again soon!
rumel> af - no apologies necessary!
Jack> Sweet Dreams and continued healing artform! I agree, rumel!
rumel> Good night All.
Jack> Orion, dleon, do you have any questions we can answer for you? Or anything you'd like to report?
artform> Thanks rumel and Jack!
Jack> You're quite welcome!
artform> Look forward to chatting with you too orion and dleon soon.
artform> G'night!
orion> Things are getting better and I'm more in control of my sessions instead of being driven to KSMO by my echos. Thank to your advise from our last chat. That's all.
Jack> Orion and dleon, I'm still here for you as long as you have any questions.
orion> I'm giving you the rest of the night off. :)
Jack> Orion, I look forward to hearing more. I hope you'll continue to blog your experiences. And of course please ask any questions that come up for you.
Jack> LOL, thanks Orion. Dleon gets a vote too. :)
Jack> Anything we can help you with, dleon? I'd be happy to answer your questions, and would love to hear any reports you may have.
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 200904026 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Have a great week! See you in the Forum and blogs. Be SURE to post your Key Sound sample to the Free Validation subforum if you haven't done so as yet.
Laly> HI mog!!
mog> Hi Laly - nice to read your joyful blog!
mog> Maybe you would make a good ambassador for the KSMO!
mog> Sorry - Ambassadress!
Laly> Thanks Mog :)
Laly> hi anerosmith!
Laly> welcome back mog
mog> Hi again Laly - I've jusy been typing a reply to old friend anerosmith. it's still daylight where you are, I expect. What are you busy at on the forum?
mog> Goodnight Laly - I'm off to get some sleep.
Jack> Joomla install once again rescheduled for Wednesday April 29 at 1700GMT, due to an error in vbmtor's schedule communication. I'm very sorry for any incovenience.
Laly> Hi Mog- I was posting to my Blog...and checking out new posts
Jack> Joomla now installed - Volunteer Editors and Authors Wanted... Please help design our online Community!
Jack> Hi Tim, Welcome!
Tim> THX!
Jack> You are the very first person back into the site since we've installed Joomla.
Jack> Nothing appears to be different in this part of the Forum, except maybe some missing images,
Jack> but I'm in the process of fixing those now. The main website needs to be rebuilt within the Joomla templates and that will hopefully make for an additionally enjoyable browsing experience.
Jack> Do you have any questions I may answer at this time?
Jack> Howdy Crunkyeah!
Tim> what do you mean with 'rolling' quality? (i'm not a native speaker)
Tim> >out<
Jack> One second let me think of a more precise word.
Jack> BTW, what IS your native language, please?
stoki> hey Jack
Jack> Hey stoki!!!
Jack> Very sorry I missed you - was away from keyboard. I hope we'll chat soon.
Jack> Hi Mog!
Jack> I'm in the process of getting the Joomla installation complete. Whew what a job! I think it'll be a big improvement though. Here's hoping...
Jack> Hi neptune 56!
Jack> Hey neptune56 (and anyone else reading this), I strongly recommend you start reading other posts (including blog posts!) made by Adept Grandmaster OMG Mog. At age 79, he has a LOT to teach and inspire us all!
Jack> Here's how to find Forum posts by Mog - this can be modified to search for posts by anyone else as well: Click the Google Site Search link, then at the bottom of the little search box area is a blue link labelled Advanced Search
Jack> Joomla is now installed! Click here for details!
Session stop: Thu Apr 30 23:35:19 2009