Session start: Sat Apr 11 23:09:31 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090410
Radius> Hi Jack! - I won't be able to attend the chat tonight. I'll be present next time though.
Jack> Ok, Radius, thanks. We'll miss you!
Jack> Hey cash I hope you might be able to join us at the next chat, starting in a little less than 3 hours.
Radius> Thanks. I keep practicing every other day and the last two sessions I got some subtle but very nice echo effects so I think I'm back on track now. In another two weeks I'm sure I'll have plenty of new questions for you.
Laly> Hi guys :)
Radius> Hi Laly! I won't be able to join the chat this time - but I look forward to talking to you next time! I'm off to bed. Good night.
tandello> Hello. Is there a conversation at this point? it looks as if there have been long pauses.
tiredofskool> oh wow. I haven't missed the 2nd conference?
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090412 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi everyone, Welcome!
Jack> How about we begin by each of you introducing yourself briefly to include any or even none of the following - entirely your choice: your age, gender, orientation, marital status, where in the world you live, what drew you here, where you are in the learning process, and some idea of your questions or comments. Whew! :D
Jack> Anybody care to talk?
tiredofskool> hello
ComPassionate> Hi Jack, well I've finally managed to attend one of these! Thanks for making it a decent time in Australia. By the way, it is now 12.10 pm in Sydney, not 1.10 pm as you indicate on your site. We are now OFF daylight saving.
Jack> Hi, yes I'm looking for volunteer editors to help keep up with stuff like that. Basically, you just gotta go by the countdown clock at the top of the Forum homepage.
Jack> The time before next chat is the same no matter where in the world you are. That's all you really need to know, it would seem.
tiredofskool> hi everyone. Im a 20 year old male from texas born and raised. Just on here for the ultimate gift (from what i keep reading, the gift that keeps on giving:p)
ComPassionate> Yes, that's what I did, and that's how come I'm here. :-) Basing your times on GMT is great because that never changes.
Jack> BTW, once we get the joomla system installed we'll be needing a number of volunteer editors and authors.
Jack> LOL, Warm Welcome tiredofschool!
Jack> And to you likewise, ComPassionate!
Jack> Do you each care to share any details, not too personal such as actual identity of course, but as I suggested? Not mandatory, of course. Entirely optional,
Jack> as are ALL questions asked here.
ComPassionate> I gather I can take my earphones and microphone off...
Jack> LOL, it's up to you!
tiredofskool> so how do these things usually go?
Jack> Who has a question or something they'd like to share about KSMO practice?
Jack> Thanks for asking! We typically follow
Jack> a first nations tradition called the Talking Stick. The modern equivalent
tiredofskool> i have done it a couple of times since we last spoke and everything is pretty much the same. but thats cool. Im not going to rush it. Just enjoying as i go along
Jack> might be said to be the expression: having the floor to speak.
Jack> That sounds good, tiredofskool... What have you noticed so far?
Jack> Tiredofskool, one of the next things you need to do is post an .mp3 of your Key Sound™ articulation to the PRIVATE Free Validation area.
tiredofskool> the expanding feeling in my stomach area then it kind of slowly expands out. Mostly to my upper body
Jack> That way I can help you fine tune it so you'll improve the responses.
Jack> Excellent re: the expanding feelings!
Jack> That all sounds pretty good!
Jack> Are you including the single touch or caress of any erotically responsive area?
ComPassionate> I originally bought your course when it was on cassette tape back in the '80s, but I moved to the US before I had actually listened to them and now I'm back in Australia and I can't find them! :(
Jack> Much has changed since then! :)
Jack> We're in the 4th Edition now.
tiredofskool> no im not. I want to feel it work more without using physical contact first
Jack> Send me an email re: the program, Compassionate and we'll sort it out.
ComPassionate> Sorry - thought you'd finished with tired of skool. How does one know where the "message stick" is?
Jack> Mention your username in the email as well.
Jack> That's your call, tiredofskool, but the more erotic characteristics often become more apparent when that part of the Protocol is introduced.
Jack> [no worries, ComPassionate, just notice that had made part of a post before yours, although yours and his may have actually appeared at about the same time. No biggie!]
Jack> Tiredofskool, you are certainly welcome to proceed at whatever pace works for you. If you're looking for more erotic results, that's what the Key Sounds™ then amplify.
Jack> But there are no ironclad rules, just a set of guidelines that are known to work collectively.
Jack> If you want erotic Echo Effects™ though, that's most likely a way to accelerate their Awakening.
tiredofskool> cool
Jack> tiredofskool, do you have any other questions or comments before passing the Talking Stick?
Jack> ?
Jack> Well, ok...
Jack> Who would next like the Talking Stick?
Jack> Anybody?
tandello> Hi Jack.
tandello> I've experimented with the procedure to see what that would change.
tandello> Instead of five to six times per month, I ran the KSMO daily for about two weeks.
tandello> What was both surprising and confirming was the amount of depth resistance there is to letting the deeper pleasures arise.
Jack> Hi tandello, Welcome!
tandello> Howdy.
Jack> That's a very important insight, tandello!
Jack> What is your plan?
tandello> by way of introduction I'm 57, live in Maine and have been doing the ksmo for two years.
tandello> i've brought the experience into therapy.
tandello> But I believe my therapist is a little uncomfortable with it.
tandello> We do any experiential protocol with light called emotional transformational therapy.
tandello> this is where you look into a strobing light of varying colors depending upon the type of emotion you're trying to work with.
Jack> If your therapist has any questions about the method I'll be happy to answer them.
tandello> so far he has never asked any specific questions.
Jack> If your therapist has concerns re: something your currently working on in therapy then I definitely think you should take that into consideration.
tandello> he does recognize the presence of some sexual block, he doesn't let the therapeutic experieince flow around sexuality as he has with other emotional patterns.
tandello> he's very aware of the importance of sexual issues, especially at this time. my sense is that he doesn't want to deal with his own.
Jack> I see. As I say, I'm happy to speak with him, if he's open to it. If he has a particular treatment plan in mind that excludes the practice for now, you should consider honoring that to see where it might lead.
Jack> If you're feeling that he doesn't want to deal with own, you might address that feeling with him.
tandello> he has no issues with the practice. he's been aware of it since the beginning of therapy over two years ago.
Jack> Ok.
tandello> you're probably right.
Jack> Do you have any other questions or something you'd like to share?
tandello> i''m beginning to wonder if I've been experiencing the heartgasms that you have alluded to.
tandello> These sensations are very powerful upwelling energy in the chest when feeling appreciative and vulnerable at the same time. very powerful.
tandello> they
Jack> Cool! What makes you think so?
tandello> they've occurred in therapy this past week. the therapist finds them interesting and humorous.
tandello> well, at this point I just don't know how to refer to them. they're pleasant and almost overpowering as an orgasm would be. they are not related to sex.
Jack> BTW, that's a lovely description of heartgasms: These sensations are very powerful upwelling energy in the chest when feeling appreciative and vulnerable at the same time. very powerful.
Jack> Yeah that definitely sounds like heartgasms!
Jack> Congratulations!!!
tandello> they seeem to be a development of kundalini experiences that I've been having for a number of years.
Jack> You CAN connect them to sexual feelings, however... i.e., connect the heart with the erotic intensity, by adding the single touch or caress of an erotic area.
Jack> Yeah if you've been doing kundalini practices, that practice could certainly prepare the way for you!
tandello> Sometimes they make me want to laugh and this week they awoke me from a dream and I bawled like a child for several minutes. no pain just joy.
Jack> FANTASTIC!!! CONGRATULATIONS!!!
tandello> i'll try the single touch or sound the next time they happen.
tandello> No complaint. Just a matter of observation. still no multiple or prolonged orgasms yet.
Jack> Well instead of single touch OR sound... how about single touch immediately followed by the Key Sound™ as described in Protocol pdf?
Jack> Do you have a copy of the Protocol Summary Update pdf?
tandello> the only spiritual practice that i've engaged in for the past few decades is TM, which is not a specific kundalini technique.
tandello> as the moment allows, I'll try both..
tandello> yes, i have a copy of the protocol.
Jack> Ok. You're welcome to use it as you choose, of course.
Jack> The process described in the pdf, when followed leads to consistent results of Awakening the responses.
tandello> i'll review it.
Jack> Just a suggestion, if you like. :)
tandello> As i think about it, that is now in storage. can i have the link againl
Jack> Send me an email with tandello in the subject line and I'll send you a copy.
tandello> i assume that i'll find your address somewhere on the website
Jack> Ok?
Jack> jack at-sign multiples.com
tandello> thank you.
Jack> You are quite welcome! :)
Jack> Anything else we might help you with, this evening?
Jack> ?
tandello> no. i'm fine. thank you.
Jack> Would anyone else like to ask a question or share something?
ComPassionate> It's not really related to KSMO, but I was wondering what are your thoughts on Ecstasy for facilitating heartgasms? (aside from the legal ramifications)
Jack> You're quite welcome tandello!
Jack> That it's not necessary.
Jack> And last time I checked, you can't get busted for possession of knowing the KSMO Protocol™! :D
rumel> Yeah for that!
Jack> ComPassionate... a lot of times questions along the lines your asking may indicate a perhaps somewhat unconscious belief that the Protocol by itself couldn't possibly deliver.
ComPassionate> I don't know - if they find out how enjoyable it is they'll find a way of making it illegal for sure !
Jack> LOL rumel. ;)
rumel> But if the state could tax KSMO, you know they'd try.
rumel> 10 cents per orgasm? :)
Jack> I hear ya... What the State OUGHTTA do is hook us up to the POWER GRID! :D :D :D
Jack> ComPassionate, any thoughts about what I said in response to you?
ComPassionate> That's not where MY question was coming from. From my point of view everything that improves things is a plus - like cialis when you don't have ED. :-)
Jack> Sure. No worries. We're all adults who can make our own decisions.
ComPassionate> I agree with you that Ecstasy is not necessary.
rumel> I think what constitutes improvement is very subjective, chemical additives can have severe negative physical effects.
ComPassionate> My wife would definitely disagree with you !!! :D
rumel> If bliss is a natural state of being for humans, it makes sense to me to learn to access that state through natural means.
ComPassionate> I don't disagree with that atall.
Jack> ComPassionate, I hope at some time, if you haven't as yet, you might offer to introduce her to her own practice of KSMO... Only if she wants, of course! It's really great to pass the energy back and forth!
rumel> I have had a bad side effect reaction to Viagra.
Jack> I'm really very sorry to hear that!!!
ComPassionate> So it works for women too? I guess my input/questions could be rather uninformed at this stage. Best I wait until I've listened to the course and practised the recommendations.
ComPassionate> Yes Viagra can be a problem if they are any heart concerns. Cialis doesn't have that side effect (which was why I mentioned it rather than viagra)
Jack> Yes, most definitely. That's why it's good to have the 4th Edition. It's updated for women as well.
ComPassionate> Did you know that we could have had this chat via skype (up to 5 people). And with Voxox there is no limit ! (and they're both free) Any thoughts on something like that?
Jack> This chat is free too. And it automatically converts the chat to a transcript that autoposts to it's own sub-Forum in this Forum.
ComPassionate> Sure beats typing! - and overlaps...
Jack> There are over 300 complete chat transcripts in this database. Along with all the posts since 1997.
ComPassionate> Yes the transcript feature is a great plus that wouldn't apply the other way.
Jack> Sure we can do some multi-media stuff. That's why we're
Jack> working on linking this Forum to a Joomla system at our site, in the near future.
Jack> Joomla templates have good pre-programmed code for embedding videos etc.
ComPassionate> cool !
Jack> I think it's fine to have some of both, ComPassionate. :)
ComPassionate> ... and archived voice chats?
Jack> And a volunteer could perhaps write an indexable synopsis of the videos, that way they WOULD get indexed.
Jack> BTW, have you guys used our Google Site Search tool to search the Forum?
ComPassionate> They would tend to be rather more costly though?
Jack> Also have you clicked the Gold Nuggets link and read some of those posts?
Jack> They being videos?
rumel> I have a couple of times.
ComPassionate> They being anything other than text I guess
Jack> The Joomla templates will be another way that volunteer Editors can pull what THEY find to be the most helpful Gold Nuggets into the Joomla templates for easier access and reading.
Jack> RE: other than text, yes you can embed youtube videos etc. - use their servers for storage... videos still definitely use more bandwidth through our site as well though.
Jack> Audios too.
Jack> Another thing I want to add is Google's translation plug-in.
Jack> It's not perfect, but it's reasonably good, and Google's engines typically
Jack> are self-correcting based on user inputs.
Jack> Ok... What's next in our discussion this evening?
Jack> ComPassionate? Anything else you'd like to discuss, ask, or share?
ComPassionate> Not really yet. I'll wait until I'm more knowledgeable.
Jack> Sure! Thanks for your input tonight! rumel?
Jack> [Hi orion!]
Jack> [Hi again tiredofskool!]
rumel> rumel is here, listening like a mouse in his warm cubby hole.
Jack> lol... :D
Jack> Well fellas, what else for this evening / morning?
Jack> Orion, anything we might help you with? Any questions we might answer for you?
Jack> Are we finished for this evening, or ???
orion> hello
orion> May I have the stick?
Jack> How are you? Where are you typing from?
Jack> yes, certainly!
rumel> I don't have any questions right now Jack so I'm fine to leave or help orion if I can.
orion> I'm doing fine. I'm at home on my desktop if that's what you mean. How are you doing?
Jack> Yes rumel, by all means stick around as a resource for orion, if you will.
orion> I've noticed that sometimes I come away from a session feeling disappointed or frustrated and it seems to effect my mood for a while afterwards. Is this normal?
Jack> Very fine, thanks. So we can get to know you better, would you care to share your age, where generally you're typing from, how you found this site, marital status, etc. Any or even none of those things we'd like to know, but it's never an obligation.
rumel> O - Why do you think you are frustrated or disappointed?
orion> I'm 46, in Oklahoma, (but not a redneck), living with my partner for 20 years and found your site via the aneros site. I'm frustrated because I'm not experiencing orgasms or at least not the big ones I would like.
rumel> O - Have you had an Aneros induced Super-O?
Jack> Ok. Thanks for letting us know, orion. I was born in Enid.
Jack> Good question, rumel!
orion> Yes that is a good question. I've had some wonderful sensations with the Aneros. Lots of movement in the taint, some body shaking but no orgasms
rumel> OK - I'm detecting a strong sense of expectation and frustration that progress is not as rapid as you hope, if you've much of my posts over on that forum you know how expectations short circuit the process.
rumel> ...read much...
orion> I think Jack mentioned that last time. :) Sorry Jack.
Jack> And post a sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Private Validation area, OK?
rumel> I think the same trip wires will work against you here with KSMO, you need to let go of the expectations for immediate results.
orion> I have to admit that I have not read many of your post but have skimmed over many in there. I will also post the key sound as you requested Jack.
Jack> Definitely. Use our Google site search tool and put in quotes "chasing the fawn" and read those discussions, then also "chase the fawn".
Jack> Yes, really glad to hear you're ready to post a Key Sound sample. It just needs to be about 5 examples, in .mp3 format.
Jack> No stimulation necessary during the recording, just demonstration of your Key Sound.
orion> Well this practice can be overwhelming. I've be meditating for 20 years and since starting KSMO, it's hard to get in a good meditation in because the echos seem to be calling me.
orion> ... as I sit in the Lotus position
Jack> What do you want to do?
rumel> orion, can you approach each KSMO session with this thought - "just for this session I will relax and try to perfect my Key Sound technique and follow the protocol, I just want to see what my body does on its own this session."
Jack> I think that's a very nice way to frame it rumel, thanks!
orion> Achieve enlightenment through ecstasy. Is it possible?
orion> Yes I'll try that rumel. Nicely put indeed.
rumel> Do you think ecstacy is possible to achieve through conscious willful thought processes?
orion> Logistically it's hard to lay down, spread my legs, reach under my testies and the the Key sound. It's a bit uncomfortable. Yes I do believe it is possible to achieve.
Jack> You don't have to use any position that is uncomfortable.
Jack> To the extent that any position is uncomfortable, the energy gets blocked from flowing and amplifying.
Jack> You can also use a chair. Many people prefer it.
Jack> Your Echo Effects™ will let you know.
rumel> I'd love to know how you consciously achieve ecstacy through thought, can you give me some tips?
Jack> Whom are you asking, rumel?
rumel> orion or you
orion> Do i even need to use stimulation at all? I like the chair but then can't reach my taint. Rumel, where were you headed with "conscious willful thought"? That sounded interesting. Can enlightment be achieved via ecstacy? Both processes seem to be a bit Subconscious . ie not direct thought but but letting it happen.
orion> Though I can't say I've experienced either.
rumel> That is exactly the way I think it happens, on a sub conscious level, ecstacy can emerge which may lead to an enlightened state.
orion> Almost as if your manifesting it?
Jack> When the multiorgasmic waves increase in intensity, they begin flowing up and down the spine, and then flow out through the crown chakra.
Jack> That's what then is referred to as the blossoming of the Thousand Petalled Lotus.
orion> Wow!
rumel> I have not reached an ecstatitic state through 'willful' action or thought, but have had a couple of occurrences when they emerged on their own.
Jack> Yet... rumel. :)
orion> I always thought that sex could be a spiritual experience.
orion> So is there a place on the forums where the Blossoming of the Thousand Petalled Lotus is discussed more in depth?
orion> or is that too esoteric for here?
rumel> orion - you are talking about Tantra now.
Jack> You can search "Thousand Petalled Lotus" in quotes like that and see what comes up.
Jack> You can also start a thread about it in your blog, or in the Lounge sub-Forum.
Jack> When I mentioned searching for existing posts, I meant to add
Jack> that of course you can then post your comments to the existing threads if you like.
orion> How close is KSMO to trantra? and how are they different?
orion> energy wise?
Jack> They complement each other quite well, imho.
rumel> orion - I think we are talking about life force energies, these impact our spiritual lives and our physical lives.
Jack> The neo-tantra experts I've shared this with have all said they'd never heard the Key Sound™ before I shared it with them,
Jack> and they reported that it triggered responses in them that they hadn't experienced with their previous years of tantric practice.
rumel> I agree with Jack, KSMO is dealing with directing our life force energies and is totally compatible with Tantric philosophy.
Jack> They weren't saying their prior years were of no value, not at all! Just that what they experience in response to the Key Sound™ practice, awakened sensations and levels of intensity that were new to them.
Jack> Cool, thanks rumel!
orion> OMG, I just read the beginning of this session and saw that you were born in Enid. I can not believe that! Amazing. Now as for the Key Sound, this must have 'Come' to you, a practice to bring into this world, it would see to help the 'Great Work' along, would you say?
orion> it would seem, that is.
orion> I mean you just don't invent this kind of stuff. It must come from higher energy levels so to speak.
Jack> Yes I certainly hope so! And I will ACCEPT what your SUBconscious said as well... that it would see to help the Great Work along. :)[/i]
Jack> Yeah I agree with you, orion!
Jack> It all feels like a really magnificent Gift!
orion> Absolutely!
Jack> :)
orion> Hell that's better than winning the lottery.
Jack> What else, gents?
Jack> Ohhhhh yeah, orion!
orion> I will be a paticient aspirant. Thanks Jack, Thanks Rumel!
rumel> Getting back to a previous question, Orion - Why do you think you are frustrated or disappointed?
orion> Well as with all newbies I expect to have a orgasm with every key sound but it doesn't work that way. This is more of a way of life. A path that must be worked so to speak.
orion> or practiced
Jack> Not worked, just practiced, in relaxation... not work. :)
orion> Perhpas I'm experiencing a fur ball?
Jack> That's part of the lesson.
orion> I never understood what those were.
Jack> Very good!
rumel> Oooh I don't want to work for my pleasure.
Jack> Very astute! Yes we all have learned limitations to trance-end.
orion> :)
Jack> It's not a negative thing, it's an opportunity! A doorway to new perceptions.
rumel> and to Trance -form
Jack> exactly!
Jack> Does anybody have any other questions, or any other comments you'd like to share?
orion> So what else can I do on a daily basis? Do you also teach a from of meditation that goes along with this practice?
orion> or am I missing the mark here?
rumel> orion, I think of each KSMO session as a meditation session.
Jack> One thing you can do is read about Beginner's Mind. ;)
rumel> I am not aiming to achieve an orgasm, I am just calming my mind to allow the sensations to emerge.
Jack> ...in addition to rumel's suggestion.
Jack> yes, I agree with that point of view exactly, rumel.
Jack> calming my mind, and then using the single caress, Key Sound, relaxing breaths, repeat...
rumel> I don't have any goal in mind before the session just do the practice per protocol to see what happens.
Jack> And enjoy the Echoes when they come, and thank my deeper erotic Selves for such gifts!
Jack> Yeah rumel, I think that's a very good idea of coming to practice with an empty cup.
Jack> Just be open to what happens... what your Deeper Selves have to teach you.
rumel> The echo effects are gradually becoming more frequent and slightly more intense, it is an interesting journey, that is different from the Aneros route.
orion> Ah it's like being more "body conscious"
Jack> That sounds like a very good pace, rumel! I think it's really cool when we really GET how our deeper wisdom - our erotic wisdom - guides us along when we ALLOW it to!
rumel> I don't follow your "more" body conscious statement.
Jack> Yeah orion, more body conscious and less consciously controlling, but rather being more open to what our deeper responsiveness, our deeper erotic body wisdom will then naturally offer us!
orion> body conscious = tuning into the echo effects
orion> Wow that deeper erotic body wisdom is not something I had given much thought to, sad to say.
rumel> I think both practices have opened me to being more body conscious. The approach technnique in the two cases have similarities but there are differences as well.
Jack> Well guys, I'm feeling the need to excuse myself. I've been hosting chat for about 7.5 hours this weekend and my energy is beginning to flag. I hope I've answered most if not all of your questions for now, or that some of the others have. And thanks VERY much to each of you for all you've offered as well.
Jack> Please feel free to continue all you want! This channel is here for you to use, 24/7.
Jack> I'm going to go ahead and post the closing of the hosted part, but feel free to continue.
orion> I did notice this week after using aneros that my tingling sensation felt twice as big
orion> Ok Jack Thank you for all of your help
rumel> orion - do you have any further questions?
orion> We appreciate it very much.
Jack> You're VERY welcome!
orion> No I'm ok. I'll do more reading. :) Thanks so much rumel!
Jack> yes! reading AND posting, orion! :)
orion> Good night.:D
rumel> I hope I didn't confuse you about anything.
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 200904012 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Good night you guys! I wish you all the very best that life has to offer!
rumel> Good night orion and Jack, Thanks.
Jack> You're very welcome, and thank you as well, rumel!
CRUNKYEAH> Hey Laly, loosecanon :D
Jack> Very Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie: genet! Bienvenue!
CRUNKYEAH> Hey jack :)
CRUNKYEAH> Did you get a chance to review my KS sample?
Jack> Hi Crunk! Stand by, let me check.
Jack> Thanks for the prod, I'll do it now!
Jack> Please stand by.
CRUNKYEAH> Ok :D
Jack> Ok, give my reply a quick read, and then we can discuss it here a bit if you'd like.
Jack> Generally, your Key Sound™ is quite good! :D
CRUNKYEAH> Woot :)
Jack> Seemed like you relaxed a little more with the last couple of examples.
CRUNKYEAH> I figured as much, the past few days I have noticed some more intense echoes
CRUNKYEAH> It's really hard to relax in this chair that I'm currently in, it sounds much better when I'm laying down
Jack> Yeah by all means lie down then. Your Echo Effects™ are indeed giving you the guidance you need. Their presence lets you know what's working for you!
CRUNKYEAH> I can tell it's working :D
CRUNKYEAH> I do have a question though, if you don't mind.
Jack> The important thing re: best position is to find a position or positions for the 20 minute practice sessions where you are the most comfortable, and have the least tension (of the kind that lets you know you need to adjust position) in any area of your body.
Jack> Sure! What is your question?
CRUNKYEAH> For me, that's lying on my back with my head resting on my feather pillow hah
CRUNKYEAH> Well I've begun to notice echoes both on session days and off
Jack> Sounds great!
CRUNKYEAH> I notice that when I'm doing my sessions I can feel the echoes during the breaths after a KS
CRUNKYEAH> And it doesn't seem like they're being amplified much at this point
Jack> That's an excellent indicator that you are INDEED allowing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger responses to FULLY AWAKEN!
CRUNKYEAH> Well that's good :)
Jack> RE: excellent indicator - was in reference to your report that the Echoes are also happening after the session and between sessions.
Jack> Yes, that's VERY Good! :)
CRUNKYEAH> Mmmhmm
Jack> Are you using the single touch or caress during the 20 minute practice sessions?
CRUNKYEAH> Not currently
CRUNKYEAH> Everytime I try it somewhere I don't feel anythin
CRUNKYEAH> I don't take in a quick pant, or feel energy moving around if i do
CRUNKYEAH> It seems to be more of a distraction for me than helpful
Jack> Don't worry about the quick pant or any of that. The point is, that if you indeed touch yourself anywhere that feels pleasant, the inbreath happens automatically you don't need to worry about it, or be concerned about whether it's a pant or if the breath is big enough, etc.
Jack> I think the distraction is that you're busy trying to decide if you took a big enough breath, etc. etc. Just let ALL of that go.
Jack> Just do the caress and make a Key Sound™ like you demonstrated in the last
Jack> few examples you posted to the Free Key Sound™ Validation Area.
CRUNKYEAH> I'll try it out next session
Jack> then a few regular breaths, and repeat.
Jack> Great!
CRUNKYEAH> I think you're right about the mind noise
Jack> Yep it's very simple: Touch, Key Sound™, relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> That's it!
CRUNKYEAH> It's hard to completely clear the mind during a session for me
Jack> RE: Mind noise... yeah a LOT of people get thrown off and distracted and frustrated when they become concerned about that automatic breath. By thinking about it, it becomes less automatic.
CRUNKYEAH> Can you do the single touch before every KS?
Jack> Yeah more clearing of the mind will happen as practice continues. You don't even need to worry about THAT!
CRUNKYEAH> That's reassuring ;)
Jack> Yes... rather than thinking about touch before KS, think in this sequence:
Jack> Pleasurable touch, Key Sound™, two or three relaxing breaths, repeat for about 20 minutes.
Jack> Touch, KS, 2 or 3 relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> There it is: The MultiOrgasmic Secret to the Universe! :D
CRUNKYEAH> Alrighty, I will def have to give that a go
Jack> Pleasant touch, KS, 2 or 3 relaxing breaths, repeat.
CRUNKYEAH> That's quite a statement!
Jack> Yeah, no big deal. Just touch, KS, relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> Yeah. That one-liner is the multiorgasmic equivalent of e=mc^2 :D
CRUNKYEAH> Haha, if only Einstein knew your secret, what would he say?
Jack> It is really interesting that most people AVOID using the erotic touch. They find some way to rationalize NOT using the touch.
Jack> He would say: Now THAT is COSMIC!!!
CRUNKYEAH> Well, in my experience, I would just try to relax and let the echoes come to me
Jack> I think that at least in some instances if not most, that when somebody refers to the touch as a distraction, they have misunderstood and/OR it's Terror At the Gates.
CRUNKYEAH> It was a little distracting when I attempted to try in a few times, so I figured I'd focus more on the echoes
Jack> Yeah, you don't even have to try to relax!!!
Jack> There is no TRYING necessary. Let go of all TRYING.
Jack> Pleasant touch, KS, relaxing breaths repeat.
CRUNKYEAH> No trying, more allowing?
Jack> EXACTLY EXACTLY!!! GO TO THE HEAD OF THE CLASS!!! :D If you just DO that, you WILL relax
Jack> AUTOMATICALLY so there is nothing you consciously need to TRY to do. TRYING implies TENSION!
Jack> Trying implies struggle. It's a non-productive mindset.
CRUNKYEAH> I could see that
Jack> It is one of the most challenging aspects of practice... to LET GO of trying to do anything.
CRUNKYEAH> Yes, challenging indeed lol
Jack> The tendency to TRY I think is often connected to an unconscious mindset that says Touch, KS, breathe... It CAN'T be THAT simple!!!
Jack> It just can't be that simple - I need to try to relax MORE, or maybe my position COULD be better, blah blah blah blah blah. LOL :D :D
Jack> Hey no blame!
Jack> We ALL have a tendency to slip into that from time to time.
Jack> Just smile or laugh about it and return to:
Jack> Pleasurable touch, Key Sound™, relaxing breaths, repeat.
CRUNKYEAH> You have a good point there Jack
Jack> Why thank you! :D
CRUNKYEAH> I have a hard time letting go sometimes, I get too caught up in my mind that I forget to just feel
Jack> WELCOME TO THE HUMAN RACE!
Jack> Yeah Brother, we all do.
CRUNKYEAH> Hahaha, so true
Jack> Just smile about it and return to:
Jack> Pleasant touch, Key Sound™, relaxing breaths, repeat.
CRUNKYEAH> Ooh I just though of another question, kinda offtopic but I hope you don't mind?
Jack> Well I hope I don't, either! ;)
CRUNKYEAH> Haha, well I did some looking into heartgasms and hotspots earlier
CRUNKYEAH> I was so curious about whether or not these things come after having multiples or if they awaken beforehand
CRUNKYEAH> They sound like phenomenal experiences
Jack> [you still typing? I didn't see any terminal punctuation.]
CRUNKYEAH> No sorry.
Jack> re: before or after... Those kinds of concerns easily become mind noise. It also goes to a cognitive
Jack> tendency that it seems males especially have, but that's not to say that some women don't... and that is the tendency
Jack> to try to think yourself all the way through an experience before
Jack> allowing yourself to have the experience! Guess what?
Jack> It's often a way of trying to get a handle on the experience... Translation:
CRUNKYEAH> What's that?
Jack> It's often a subconscious attempt to stay in conscious control... to not totally lose it!
Jack> Kinda like driving with the brakes on.
CRUNKYEAH> Good analogy
Jack> Thanks! :) RE: heartgasms and all of the other goodies... they'll happen when they happen, and it will most likely be a surprise.
CRUNKYEAH> I can't wait :D
Jack> So you don't have sweat all of the thinking about what and when and all of that. LET YOUR SUBCONSCIOUS TEACH YOU... Let your Deeper Erotic Self
Jack> guide you.
Jack> Oh, you can wait. :)
Jack> Can't waiting is ALSO a form of mind noise!
Jack> It's introducing TENSION into the process!!!
CRUNKYEAH> Haha, so bottom line is:
CRUNKYEAH> LET GO?!
Jack> If you're lying there saying to yourself Wow this is probably going to be REALLY COOL I wonder WHEN I'm going to feel it. Oh was THAT it?? Hmmm maybe not... blah blah blah. It's
Jack> what some meditation teachers call Monkey Mind.
Jack> Yeah man: Let Go... and even Let Go of remembering to Let Go!
CRUNKYEAH> Monkey Mind, haha I totally see it
Jack> Just friggin do it: Pleasant touch, Key Sound™, regular breaths, repeat... for about 20 minutes OR SO... then chop wood, carry water. Hi ho hi ho!
CRUNKYEAH> Will do boss man :rolleyes:
Jack> THAT's more like it!
Jack> :D
Jack> Just lie back and enjoy the show!
CRUNKYEAH> I think I just had an epiphany
CRUNKYEAH> My intuition showed me the word DO, need to stop TRYING and DO
Jack> Yeah! See what happens when you RELAX. You get INSIGHTS... THEY come to YOU, you don't have to chase them down with your talon rational mind.
CRUNKYEAH> Very cool :D
Jack> That was a VERY interesting gift from my own subconscious: I meant to type your rational mind and my subconscious had me type TALON just before rational mind!
CRUNKYEAH> Well this has been a wonderfully enlightening conversation Jack, but I have stuff to do today so I should probably be on my way soon.
Jack> How's THAT for an on the spot DEMO!!!
CRUNKYEAH> Also very cool :)
Jack> Yeah me too, Crunkyeah... This has been a GREAT jam session!
Jack> I look forward to our next conversation, and to reading your posts!
CRUNKYEAH> Thanks for listening to my sample, and answering my questions and doubts :)
Jack> Have fun!
CRUNKYEAH> Likewise!
CRUNKYEAH> Have a good day Jack :D
Jack> You're very welcome! I'm at your service. Please help spread the word.
Jack> You have a very good Spring day, too!
Jack> Hi Mog! I hope you're enjoying a lovely Spring!
Jack> Thanks very much for offering your KSMO Adept Expertise and Wisdom to the rest of our Global Community!
tandello> hbbb
Jack> ATTN other users: To benefit from Mog's 79 years of wisdom including his 4.5 years of experience as a Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Adept, use the Search tool to search for posts by Mog:
tandello> Surprise, surprise. I haven't been on this page since the weekend and I'm surprised to find that i'm still logged in. This is true even though I've turned the comuter turned off. What gives?
Jack> To do this: If you're logged in, click Search then Advanced Search (a link at the bottom of the Search box) then type Mog in the Search by Users box.
Jack> If you're not logged in, just click the Search link and you'll already have Advanced Search... so do the same as just mentioned.
Jack> Hello tandello!!!
tandello> hi jack.
Jack> Did you log OUT when you left, the last time? If not, you will default to logged in, since most people prefer that.
tandello> yes i logged out. i have had a similar experience before, but that only lasted for a couple of hours.
Jack> The other thing you might do is to clear the cookies from your browser or at least the vBulletin cookie. I don't know the exact name of the cookie though.
Jack> Or try a different browser and see if that issue gets handled differently.
Jack> If you don't set the cookie in the beginning when you log in (by clicking the Remember Me box), then on some browsers the system immediately forgets you've logged in and you have to keep logging in every time you go to a new page!
Jack> I hope you're doing well!
Jack> Unfortunately I don't have much time to chat now, I was just on my way out the door to an appointment, but will be back on later, from time to time.
Jack> Do you have any other questions to which I might give a brief reply?
Jack> I'm happy to do so!
Jack> Ok... well I need to get going now. So I will talk with you later. Enjoy your practice and its benefits! All the very best to you!
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Session stop: Sat Apr 18 04:22:24 2009