Session start: Sat Apr 4 23:47:28 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2009043
Laly> a heart-felt WELCOME to new member tiredofskool
Laly> I do hope that you will be able to join us for LiveChat this Saturday
Laly> times are listed above this box-at the top
Jack> Warm Welcome likewise from me to Newest Newbie tiredofskool, and also to recent Newbie spartans010!
Jack> I too hope to see you both at the chats this weekend. Get your questions answered directly from those of who can help you light the way!
tiredofskool> Thank you both for the welcome. I signed up a few days ago, but i'm just now about to get started.
Jack> Well... have fun with your homework! ;)
tiredofskool> lol. I intend to.
Jack> Just take it slow... Don't expect any big events during practice. Most people experience the strongest Echo Effects™ after a practice session, and even on the days between sessions - especially if you don't experience ejaculation on the day of practice or the day following.
Jack> I DO hope you'll make it to at least one of the chats this weekend. Both, if possible, to meet more members of our community and also to get feedback and tips re: your practice. And of course, you get all of your questions happened right on the spot!
tiredofskool> i have been practicing the key sound for a couple of days and it seems like i can only feel something when im laying down. Is that weird?
Jack> BTW, remember after a week, please post and .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™ articulation so I can help you make sure you are doing it correctly. Most people need a little bit of fine-tuning to really awaken the effects.
tiredofskool> oh okay. I will.
Jack> RE: laying down. Nope, it's not weird at all. Everybody's way of awakening can be a little different, in a little different sequence. Don't sweat it. It's GREAT that you are already beginning to notice something!
Jack> Just remember to make the Key Sound™ gently, and don't force it.
Jack> Likewise, you may want to try some Key Sounds without any stimulation, but please do at least some practice where you do add just a single touch or caress just before the Key Sound™. That energizes the erotic response system, and then the Key Sound amplifies the effects.
tiredofskool> Yeah, I felt a little something. What is the acceptable amount of practice per day? Can you do it as much as you want?
Jack> Naw just drop and gimme 20... That is, just practice about 20 minutes and then stop. You'll likely feel kinda antsy or charged up, but hey, that's the idea! :D
Jack> LOTS of newbies wanna practice longer to try to nail it right away, but a lot of times that just chases away this initially subtle response.
tiredofskool> lol. okay.
Jack> Just follow the steps as I spell them out in the pdf document... the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Summary Update. Do you have that pdf?
tiredofskool> is the newbie spartans010 on right now? be nice to hear from someone else who is just starting out.
Jack> MOST people have a hard time believing that such a simple protocol as I detail there could produce the results we're talking about... But the challenge there is in the self-limiting beliefs, not in the Protocol, which is seriously time-tested! :)
tiredofskool> I do. I barely read it though because i have the audio.
Jack> spartans010 is logged in, and may be reading our chat, or he may be off doing other stuff. When you click on his name wherever it's a link, I believe it will let you know what page in the Forum he is viewing.
tiredofskool> its not that i disbelieve. I do believe, because i can feel something when i practice. Im just soooo impatient.
tiredofskool> do you know how long it usually takes for someone to experience mmo for the first time? i mean on average?
Jack> Yeah, read the pdf again more carefully. THAT is your step-by-step guide to practice.
Jack> On average it can take a few months... to get beyond all of the impatience and second-guessing of the Protocol :D
Jack> The more you chase it - the more you try to make it happen or hurry up, the longer it takes!
Jack> Click on the Google Site Search link up above and put in quotes: chasing the fawn and read those discussions, as well as in quotes: chase the fawn. BEFORE that give a quick read to this article on the Zen concept of: Beginner's Mind.
tiredofskool> I understand. Is the pdf supposed to be titled, "The_Key_Sound_Multiple_Orgasm_Trigger_Protoco l". Or is it supposed to have the word "updated" at the end? because if so i have the wrong one
Jack> Then come to the chats this Saturday and we'll answer your questions and help you slow down enough to ALLOW the Echo Effects™ to occur sooner. The more you can slow down that energy that wants to go for it, the sooner the Echo Effects™ will get stronger.
Jack> If you downloaded it recently you have the correct one. Last updated 2005. The Protocol hasn't changed so it hasn't been necessary to update since then.
Jack> I think you probably have the right one. It's the one found in the password-protected downloads area of the website, where you downloaded the files that make up the audio seminar itself, unless you just waited for the CD.
Jack> OK?
tiredofskool> sorry. I was reading the lecture on beginners mind. Ill try to make on saturday.
Jack> Well my Sweetie is calling me for dinner so I need to get going. Nice talking with you though! Enjoy your practice and I hope we can continue our discussion after you've reviewed the Protocol and followed the step by step described in there. And DO come to the chats. People who do, learn faster!
Jack> Great!!! RE: Beginner's Mind and on the chat Saturday. I hope you found the Beginner's Mind article somewhat thought-provoking.
Jack> Will talk with you later. Enjoy!
tiredofskool> do you know what time the chat is in central time?
tiredofskool> nevermind
Jack> Yeah, just click the GO HERE link near the top right just below the chat countdown that's ticking away.
Jack> Where it says: To convert GMT/UTC to your local time GO HERE. :D
Jack> In fact, you can even click the GO HERE link that I just typed in the chat above or even on THIS response. Bottom line: It's ALL easier than you think!
Jack> Ok, I'm gonna head out now but look forward to our next chat. Also please get your blog started as it's a great way to journal you progress and experiences along the way.
Laly> Hi cashengine
cashengine> Hi Laly
cashengine> Nice to meet you.
Laly> same here- how you doing?
cashengine> good, so far, I've been reading through previous chats over the last couple weeks and practicing four sessions now. going well, experiencing small echoes
Laly> that's great you're reading the chat transcripts...
cashengine> yes, the archives
Laly> :)
Laly> have you had a chance to start a blog...share your experiences thus far?
cashengine> no, still learning to use the forum, how would I start a blog?
Laly> just above this box where we are typing
cashengine> okay, I see, thank you.
Laly> there is a "Blogs to start your own Blog" sentence--see that
Laly> the 1st Blogs word is a link to the blogs area
cashengine> yes, I see.
Laly> click that link and you will be taken to the Blogs area of the forum
Laly> hi Magnificent Mog (HUGS)
Laly> how is it going cash-- the blog i mean.
cashengine> I posted an entry, it seems easy to use.
Laly> yes it is :)
Laly> once we switch over to Joomla software--it'll be even easier- i hope.
Laly> K-- good start re; blog entrey
Laly> entry-oops lol.
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Discussion and Training Chat of 20090411 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi!
Laly> Hi Jack :) .
cashengine> Hi Jack
Jack> Happy Spring!!!
Laly> was just helping cash learn the blogging ropes :).
Laly> welcome livefree.
Jack> Thanks Laly for giving him the tour! :D
Jack> Yes, Welcome livefree!
livefree> Hello everyone!
Laly> k which of you marvelous men would like to start us out??
Jack> And also a very warm Springtime hello to Grandmaster OMG Mog, who is busy reading and responding to your blogs.
Jack> Yes, as Laly says, who would care to share something they've learned in practice, or ask a question?
livefree> OK, I can start...
cashengine> Hi, I'm Cash, Houston, Texas, 33 years old, practicing for two weeks now. I would like to ask a question.
Jack> Yes please!
livefree> I had another session today and noticed that instead of large muscle spasms as echo effects, I am starting to feel mostly tingling and energy moving in my body... Does it sound like I'm on the right track?
Jack> What's your hunch?
livefree> My hunch is that I am beginning to be able to relax into things more easily and that is causing the sensations to change. It feels like I'm on track, just wanted the opinion of the experts ;)
Jack> I think you just channelled them! :D
Laly> *giggles
Jack> And you helped demonstrate how this practice is self-calibrating... authentically self-calibrating.
rumel> Hi all.
Jack> Your intuition is serving you.
Laly> (Hi rumel -- HUGSS)
Jack> Welcome rumel!
livefree> Cool... I definitely have found all of the forum info and past chat sessions to be invaluable in getting off to a very fast start.. I've only have 6 sessions total and I'm very happy with the results!
Jack> Ok, livefree, THAT IS REALLY WONDERFUL!
Jack> I'd like to pass the Talking Stick to Cash, who'd first requested it. That all right? Then everyone gets as many opportunities to have the Talking Stick again as you like. Is that all right?
livefree> Sounds good, thanks for the words of encouragement!
cashengine> Okay, thank you.
Jack> Then, livefree, perhaps you could share a bit more about the results.
Jack> You're quite welcome Cash, and Warm Newbie Welcome! :)
cashengine> In my practice, I usually listen to the recording and then mimic as best I can the KSMO sound after, but I want to begin practicing without listening to the recording next.
Jack> Sounds perfect!
cashengine> well, that's how it feels too, I'm experiencing more echo effects too. at random times.
Jack> Welcome to the When You Least Expect It Zone... :)
cashengine> I did notice a block in my waist area, and practiced deep breathing to move it. the protocol seems very simple and the forums are helpful too.
Jack> It's part of the Awakening of this deeper response system... The deeper genies.
Jack> Thanks very much, cash. That's very kind of you to say, and it means a great deal to me.
Jack> I've been teaching this online since 1991 - before there was an Internet.
cashengine> In my last session I really began feeling the vibrations in my genitals on three or four KS, and in my chest too.
Jack> Everything that's been discussed since 1997 is accessible here in the Forum. All 300+ Discussion and Training Chats, all Q and A, and of course all of the Gold Nuggets Success Stories..
Laly> awesome cash...sounds like you're really progressing,
Jack> Cash, that is VERY cool! Do you get what I mean by its feeling like an Awakening of a deeper response, a sweet deeper nature of ours.
cashengine> thank you, I was trying to think of a question, but my practice is going so well, I just want to continue the way I'm going.
Jack> Excellent plan!
cashengine> I've been practicing once every three days.
Jack> And your own Deeper Erotic Selves are telling you that's about right, eh?
cashengine> yes, the sessions seem to fit in nicely with the yoga I'm doing, and I just feel nice during the day..
cashengine> self love, is what if feels like
Jack> Wonderful!
Jack> Yes, practices such as yoga really facilitate accessing the KSMO erotic energy.
Jack> That's very sweetly said, Cash.
Laly> :).
Jack> Is there anything else you'd like to share or ask about, right now? Or may we pass the Talking Stick. It'll come around again, of course. :)
Jack> Or perhaps someone has a question or supportive comment for you.
cashengine> yes, please pass the Talking Stick. I enjoyed this.
Jack> For example, sharing from their own experience.
livefree> I can share my views on results so far if you'd like
Jack> That's wonderful, Cash... Thanks!
Jack> Is that ok with you - Laly and rumel?
rumel> Yes
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> :0 - always fine with me
Laly> :)
Jack> Ok, livefree, you have the Talking Stick, and thank you for being here and sharing!
livefree> As for results... they are not what I expected. I am feeling some pleasure, but to me this is somewhat secondary to other benefits.
artform> Hi All! Have just read this chat to this point. Great progress Cash and Livefree!
Jack> Thanks for your graciousness as always, Ms. Laly!
livefree> For example, I find the KSMO protocol to be a gateway into deep meditation and self-discovery. Before starting the practice, I found myself needing to do "traditional" self-pleasure quite often and felt like I was diluting myself. I feel much more grounded and have more energy when practicing KSMO.
Laly> (hi artform - kisses cheek)
artform> (to you too Laly)
Laly> (yw jack )
Jack> Very Warm Welcome Brother Artform! :)
livefree> The energy from a session lasts well into the next day and I am able to resist the urge for traditional pleasure. I feel that the old way of self-pleasure to be quite one-dimensional compared to the multi-dimensions of KSMO.
artform> Hi again Jack! Great to be back!
artform> Great description of that transition livefree!
Jack> Livefree, that is QUITE wonderful news!
Laly> wonderful livefree,
artform> Liberating isn't it!:)
Jack> Yes indeed!!!
livefree> Quite liberating.
artform> Hi rumel, you still here?
Jack> Wonderful news!!! :) :)
rumel> yup
artform> All the best, friend!
Laly> (i'll respond to cash's comment later-- re: energy)
rumel> Right back to you as well!
Jack> Livefree, what are these experiences teaching you about yourself?
artform> Livefree, this shift from a sexual response focus to an energies focus was one of the earliest and crucial gifts from my KSMO practice too.
Jack> Very Good Point, artform!
livefree> Hmm.. well, I'd say that I'm learning that it's possible to consciously direct the flow of energy in my body.
Jack> Way to jump right back in! :D
Jack> < my comment was to artform
Jack> livefree, how did you discover how to direct this energy? What experiences seemed to inspire this?
livefree> Well, when doing the key sound, I feel a rise in tension in my abdominal muscles which I try to focus into spreading out over the rest of my body. So far, this has produced a feeling of "charge" and a tingling sensation in my hands and feet.
Jack> In my opinion, that's a really great example of very effective practice.
livefree> The bulk of the energy feels like it is pooling in my core, however
Laly> i agree.
Jack> And your reports of the Echo Effects you're enjoying bears that out, imho.
livefree> Is this what is described as Chi in the eastern traditions?
Jack> What's your hunch?
livefree> Based on the descriptions I've heard that the chi is focused just below the navel and that is where I feel the energy concentrated, my hunch is that I'm feeling chi.
Jack> That's my hunch too. :)
artform> Agree!:D
Jack> rumel? Laly?
livefree> Is what I am describing similar to everyone else's experience?
Laly> yes??
Jack> Who'd first like to answer that question. :)
artform> Very similar to mine Livefree.
Laly> in the beginning--yes.. now mine's more heart area.
Jack> How so, artform, please?
Jack> Thanks Laly... and when the time is right they can be integrated.
artform> I was hesitant to describe it as "directing" the energy at first. And still feel it more as "opening" to the energies in places, since they can be quite self-determining as to when and where they migrate!
livefree> I agree... less directing, more channeling
Jack> Yes I agree, artform. The phrase that came to me as you were saying this, is: inviting the energy.
rumel> I believe the life force enegy can be expressed in multiple ways and areas of the body, "chi" is one expression, "kundalini" being another.
Jack> Channeling likewise definitely resonates for me as well.
artform> I still enjoy "no expectations" and just letting whatever happen, at times.
Jack> Yes, you come to the practice with Empty Cup.
Jack> Do you know that story?
Laly> i do :D
rumel> "NO Expectations" is great because it allows for infinite possibilities
artform> Agree Laly. No Jack, I don't know a specific story, although the metaphor is familiar.;)
artform> Energetics surprises are great fun, or great challenges!
Jack> Yeah, I certainly agree, rumel!
Jack> I'll take Door Number One, artform. :D
Jack> ...and/or great lessons too, methinks.
Laly> lol...
rumel> I'll take whats behind curtain #3.:)
artform> And I didn't mention the Third Door Jack!
artform> :D R!
Laly> <wants all three :P
Jack> Yeah I was thinking of asking to include that one in my collection as well.
Jack> Maybe a little Door Number Two when I need to do some Spiritual Aerobics.
rumel> Multiple fenestrations, multiple choices, multiple goodness.
Jack> MMM!
artform> Multitudes & Multitides! too!
artform> M&Ms by 3M!!!:D
CRUNKYEAH> Hello everyone :)
Laly> hi crunk
rumel> Hi CRUNKYEAH
Jack> SWOOP!!! Heyyy Welcome Crunkyeah!!!
artform> Hi Crunk.
CRUNKYEAH> how goes it?
Laly> well speaking of a person who has peeked and played behind multitudes of doors n curtains
Jack> Very well thanks, Crunk!
Jack> Umm, let's see... who has the Talking Stick? I think the puppies ran away with it!
Laly> last i knew livefree was talking
artform> Have we lost livefree and cashengine?
Laly> kinda got sidetracked along the way
artform> I thought so too Laly.
artform> re: Talking Stick
Laly> i was waiting to reply to cash's question awhile back
rumel> Yes those little yappers can be such imps sometimes.
Jack> Exactly rumel. Ain't it Grand! :D
Jack> Imp Pulsive.
Jack> Ok, I believe Ms. Laly is graciously requesting the Talking Stick. What say?
livefree> You guys are free to toss around the talking stick. I'm just enjoying the lively conversation.
rumel> Yes I have a question for Laly anyway.
artform> What does the "opening", "no expectations" resonate with you, livefree?
rumel> Laly, I am curious if you had a significant dream the Sunday after the last Chat session?
Laly> *begins to cry
artform> Sorry, please go ahead Laly and R!
Laly> yes rumel i did
rumel> Cool!
Laly> in my dream- i met another one of my "sisters"
Laly> and her 2 sons
Laly> we "Drove" around Detroit as she and I talked-- for what seem like hours and hours.
Laly> the level with I felt a connection- was just unreal
Laly> and when I woke up-- felt so "at peace"
Jack> unreal?
Jack> That is a very sweet gift, that peace you brought back with you from the dream universe!
Laly> yeah = unreal...having just met this woman jack...normally am NEVER that open and sharing about meself
rumel> When you said "sisters", I presume you are speaking of one of your guides?
Laly> rumel....i have 10 brothers n sisters-- whom all died before I was born
Laly> since learning and opening to KSMO...am finding that the spiritual side of my life is beginning to unfold
rumel> OK thanks for the clarification.
Laly> that I've only recently begun to "listen" to them,
Jack> Are you visualizing them now, as you're talking about them?
Laly> hmm "visualizing"....
Laly> in a way I wanna say yes Jack
Jack> or whatever word works for you.
rumel> I am happy that your talk left you peaceful, that would indicate to me an acceptance of their passing and comfort at other energy levels.
Jack> whatever descriptor... :)
Laly> and "Samuel" says Jack-thanks
Jack> Would you consider asking them a question?
Laly> thanks rumel...
Jack> Oh, and THANKS, Samuel! :)
Laly> sure-- what question.
Jack> Ask them to give you a gift that represents the very essence of their power, including their power to help you throughout your life, and their love for you, and see what they give you.
Laly> *beeming smile--already being done Jack
Jack> ATTAGIRL!!! :D :D :D
rumel> Yeah Laly!
Laly> Sam loves how KSMO has helped me to realize MY power--
Jack> I look forward to hearing about it, if you'd care to share. No obligation, ever, of course... as you know. :)
Laly> power to love...to heal...
rumel> I am glad you confirmed my intuition was right about the dream occuring. Thanks.
Jack> What a cool big brother!
Laly> yeah
Laly> and you're welcome rumel
Laly> it does -- tho-- kinda give me willies-- trying to KS practice now
Jack> Yeah, really good one, rumel!
Laly> knowing "they" are around now
Laly> *Cracks up laughing--- oh boy-- Sam says not to worry about him
Laly> oh god lol
Laly> sorry sorry-- sam's talking as I type
Laly> k- asked for some "alone" time tonite
Jack> After Sam's finished speaking, would you perhaps ask him on behalf of all of them to give you a tangible representation empowerment they're giving you?
Laly> see what happens :D
rumel> Laly, they are loving energies who primarily care about your spiritual well being, not about how your physically pleasure yourself.
Laly> huh????
Jack> Sure!
Jack> (my stmt was re: see what happens)
Laly> rumel...apparently- imo-- you've never been raised around brothers-- i have
Laly> i just need to let go of -- worrying they are there
Laly> putting myself in a "failure" mode before I EVER even begin
rumel> :) That's true I only had a sister so I can certainly be incorrect in my perceptions.
Laly> no not "incorrect"
Laly> i understand the male mind-- because i grew up in all boy area
Laly> probably more than most females
Laly> that's why this place felt like coming home to me
Laly> a place where I felt i fit in-- finally
Laly> *sobs openly
artform> Wonderful Laly! Hugs. Sorry I have to go now. Great to be back with you all. Chat again soon. All the best.
Laly> thanks for being here artform - HUGSS
CRUNKYEAH> cya artform
rumel> Bye artform, god vibes to you!
Jack> Warm hugs artform, and all the best to Mrs. A as well!
rumel> Oooh I like that typo!
Jack> Nice one, rumel! "god vibes to you!" :)
livefree> Thanks everyone, I need to leave also. I really appreciate your insights and encouragement.
Jack> yeah, me too, as you can see. :D
Laly> thanks for being here livefree...
rumel> Bye livefree
Jack> Our culture tries to tell us they are errors when in fact they are GIFTS from our deeper selves, our deeper s'elves. :)
Jack> imho, natch.
Jack> Thanks VERY much with all you shared today, livefree. THANKS FOR BRINGIN THE REAL!
Jack> Ok! Who'd like the Talking Stick?
Laly> sorry-- totally got messed up there
rumel> Yes Jack and that one was a very nice gift for both artform and I.
Jack> which one, rumel?
Jack> not sure what you mean by messed up there, Laly. ???
rumel> Jack "god vibes to you"
rumel> I believe Laly still has the Talking Stick.
Jack> ah yes, thanks. Yep that was sweet!
Jack> A keeper!
Laly> sharing of myself--more than maybe you guys really wanted to hear Jack
rumel> I love hearing what you have to say Laly!
Jack> Well Laly, how about you check that out with us? :)
Laly> is ok rumel--if anyone else wants to share something-- hop right in
Jack> Thanks Laly! As always...
Jack> How about Crunkyeah?
Laly> u all are family :D
rumel> Jack, Is there any advantage/disadvantage to changing the area of caresses during a session (i.e. touch nipple, then scrotum, then belly, etc.) still just using the single caress at a time per protocol?
Jack> Good question, rumel, thanks!
Jack> For me, the best answer, the most resonant one, is that your Echo Effects will let you know.
Jack> [thanks very much, Laly, re: family]
CRUNKYEAH> sorry uhh, i'm trying to upload my ks demo but it seems i can only upload one example to a thread at a time
CRUNKYEAH> should i make multiple threads or is there another way?
Laly> yes crunk
Jack> Yeah could be, crunkyeah. There's a filesize limitation too, and it needs to be .mp3, at this point.
Laly> no re: multiple threads
Jack> But you can put several Key Sounds in a single .mp3 file. Three to five is all I need in order to give you feedback.
CRUNKYEAH> ohh, well it wouldn't let me export them to mp3, only .wav
Jack> I think in the upload instructions area there's a link to Audacity software that creates an .mp3 file, I believe.
Jack> You can email me about it and we'll get it sorted out. OK? :)
Jack> Sorry for the hassle!
Jack> I welcome suggestions via email re: how to make anything and everything easier to navigate and use.
Laly> i'll be around too crunk :)
Jack> There ya go!
Jack> Thanks Laly!
Laly> yw jack
rumel> With the 'Audacity' program you have to install a separate plugin to enable export to .mp3 file format.
Jack> Hum, didn't they have a free version?
Jack> Thing is, I'm just trying to conserve drive space, which costs... and .wav files are a lot bigger than .mp3.
rumel> Yes the plugin is available free, but it still needs to be installed.
Laly> I use a program called SoundRecorder...but that's for Macs
Laly> oops= Recordpad
rumel> Yeah .wav files are about ten times the size.
Jack> rumel r u saying you just don't want to install any new software?
CRUNKYEAH> hey uhh rumel where do i go to get the plugin?
Jack> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/
CRUNKYEAH> i got a message confirming that, i just don't know how to get it
Laly> hmm jack bet me too it
Laly> beat -- lol
rumel> Not at all, I already have 'Audacity' with .mp3 capability installed, I was just pointing that out for CRUNKYEAH's benefit.
CRUNKYEAH> well I downloaded Audacity already
CRUNKYEAH> I don't see where the plugin is, though
Laly> there should be a .dmg file somewhere -saved on the computer
Laly> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/plugins
rumel> I belive 'sourceforge' has a link about where to get the plugin.
Jack> link and other tips for posting Key Sound™ samples appear on the Forum Home page AFTER you've logged in.
Laly> i just posted it rumel
rumel> Thanks - L
CRUNKYEAH> which plugin do I download?
Jack> Crunkyeah, just email me your phone # and best times to call and we'll sort it out. Ok? That way I can take notes which will help me improve the design of the interface. If you're having trouble, it's likely that others are too. OK?
Jack> Crunk, do you have a Mac or a Windows machine?
CRUNKYEAH> Windows Vista
Jack> Here ya go:
Jack> http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/windows
rumel> C - choose the LAME encoder to install the .mp3 enabler.
Jack> Rumel, thanks for reading and posting the finer print! :D
Jack> FYI LAME in French means razor blade, as in precision recording and editing. :)
Laly> :)
Jack> Ok, y'all, where are we in our discussion today? :D
rumel> Well I just learned something new, razor blade eh?
Laly> done- as far as I know :)
Jack> By extrapolation. Essentially: blade.
rumel> Makes sense, it "cuts" the file size way down!
Jack> http://dictionary.reverso.net/french-english/lame
Jack> Voila, monsieur rumel!
Laly> k am off-- housework awaits
rumel> merci!
Jack> Crunk, will that plan of contacting me work for you, if you don't sort out the audacity business? I understand TOTALLY about how frustrating all that stuff can be when you just want to get a simple task done. Very sorry for the hassle!
rumel> Bye Laly, whistle while you work? :)
Jack> Ok, Laly! Do you every practice your Key Sound when you vacuum, assuming of course that no one else is around?
Laly> whistle!!! HEck no-- i sing
Jack> pas d'quoi, M. rumel! A votre service! :D
Laly> yes - i do
Laly> should hear me belt out AC/DC
Laly> ;)
Jack> cool re: yes, and lol re: ac/dc... you can always make a recording for us. ;) ;)
Laly> :D
Jack> With the vacuum in the background. It could actually become a big hit on youtube or one of the audio-only equivalents of youtube.
Laly> sadly i cant run vaccum jack
Laly> vibration/pitch hurts my ears
Jack> Ah!
rumel> If I tried to sing the neighbors would call the police and have me arrested for disturbing the peace. :D
Jack> Understood. Well I guess then just while you're doing the other housework. LOL > rumel re: the peace.
Laly> someday -- when i get courage to-- will record my singing
Jack> Remember you can make a recording and then make separate decisions about when to share it and with whom.
rumel> Laly , Why not have courage now, you don't have to let anybody listen to it just yet.
Jack> ha ha, rumel! How about that? Great minds, etc.!
Laly> oh boy
rumel> Yes I think we both know Laly can do this right NOW with no ill consequences.
Laly> i've been asked to do a CD for a friend
Jack> No obligation, of course! And you get to choose both IF and WHEN-IF.
Laly> last year-- sang to her via internet--she said it got ehr thru her chemo treatments
Jack> RE: CDs you can make as many takes as you want and only share the one(s) you choose. That's what everybody else does. :)
Jack> That was a very very compassionate gift, Laly!
Laly> oh i know jack...
Jack> Nice one!
rumel> Experimenting around with recording can be fun, I actually made a commercial CD that has sold some copies, "HypnAerosession".
Laly> it's that lil voice in my head- going-- WHAT are u kidding??
Laly> u sing??
Jack> Yeah one thing you can do is sing just loud enough that you don't hear that little voice.
rumel> I don't sing but I did produce the recording.
Jack> Hellooooo roderik!
Laly> kewl rumel
Laly> let ya all know how it goes - thanks
rumel> Laly, that little voice is just a tad bit of fear that goes away after you actually do the recording.
roderik> Hi Jack!
Jack> I look forward to hearing how it goes, Laly.
Laly> thanks rumel-- just may get email from me-- re: setting cd tracks
Laly> thanks!!
rumel> Hi roderik
Laly> k off to yowl-howl- n do dishes :P
Jack> BTW, one might also consider that fear is an arrow that points to as-yet-unclaimed personal empowerment.
Laly> yeah jack-
rumel> Sure Laly, I am using 'Audacity' so I can help if that is what you use.
Jack> Ok Laly, have fun! BTW, have you ever got a recording of wolves howing? It's powerful. I might add it to our forthcoming expanded store.
roderik> Hi to rumel as well!
Laly> no jack --i dont
Jack> It's pretty cool, imho Laly. Energizing. The Wolf archetype figures very prominently in our collective subconscious.
Jack> Thank you VERY much, Laly!
Jack> Ok, is there anything else from anyone today?
Jack> Of course there will be another hosted chat beginning in about six hours from the time of this statement.
roderik> sorry I didn't say more...I just happened by and saw there was a chat going on
rumel> Ok, I've got to scoot myself, thanks for the info. Jack, bye for now, bye Laly, bye roderik & crunkyeah
Jack> Oh yes, I'd also like to know if anyone might be willing to write up a simple outline of the topics discussed in today's chat, that we can post at the top of the chat once the transcript gets posted to the Forum.
Jack> Hi roderik, if you have a question, or have anything to share, I'd love to hear it! There is no rule
Jack> that chats must end exactly 2000 GMT. In fact the record is about six continuous hours.
Jack> You're very welcome, rumel. Good having you here, as always!
Jack> To those who are still here, I remain at your service.
Jack> Is there anything anyone would like to share or ask?
roderik> I don't have any specific questions...just interesting reading the chat here as well as comments on the forum
roderik> I try to keep up with those to some degree and comment where I feel I have something to say
Jack> That's great roderik. I hope you know that I really appreciate it whenever you care to share your thoughts, feelings, and practice experience and results with us. with us.
Jack> It's an enthusiastic open invitation. :)
roderik> Yes, thank you. I've been wanting to start a blog here
roderik> I've shared a number of experiences already via the lounge area both on other's threads and some of my own
Jack> Wonderful! Do you need any help getting started? Figuring out how to do so, etc.?
Jack> Once we get the new Joomla templates installed, I plan for us to produce some little training videos for using different functions of the Forum, as well as discussions re: practice.
roderik> I don't think so...I assume you click on "post to your blog" in the my blog section
Jack> Yep, that's it! :)
roderik> Now that I think of it, I wanted to ask you if you know of anyone else on the forum whose used Holosync meditation CDs from Centerpointe Research Institute
roderik> This is a meditation program I've been part of for almost 9 years, and it provides for a very immense journey of positive growth
roderik> however I've started to consider that the fact that I may have a good deal of my "energy capital" so to say tied up with this process of growth
stoki> hello
roderik> which may be why I have many periods where I don't have "access" to that available energy for KSMO...when it's either quiet or seemingly dormant.
Jack> Yeah it could be. The thing is, if you're not practicing the Protocol at all, that may have some relationship to your experience as well.
Jack> Greetings stoki!!! Are you still typing from Slovenia?
roderik> Well, I wouldn't say I'm not practicing, though there are times when a session seems more in order or called for because the vibes are calling to me
stoki> yes
Jack> roderik, I think the energy available for KSMO can wax and wane just as other biorhythms do.
roderik> hi stoki!
stoki> listen Jack I've just come off a session and I thought of posting on the forums but now I see that there's a chat going on
stoki> what a coincidence
Jack> roderik, that makes perfect sense. The more you can ALLOW those inner promptings to guide you in your practice, the more effective I think it may be. That's been my experience anyway.
roderik> Yes, that's true. I've become accustomed to the shifts and journal about them a lot so I can refer back
stoki> hey roderik
Jack> That's the path I followed in discovering this method, including the Key Sound™ itself.
roderik> Waiting for the whisper. . . :)
stoki> may I ask something?
Jack> yeah stoki it's great that you are here! You are quite welcome to the Talking Stick after Crunkyeah. I know it's late where you are... can you stick around for a bit?
roderik> Although it's been more than four years without yet flowering into being a full "adept" like Pan, Mog and Laly for instnace, I'm quite pleased to have realized
Jack> RE: your question about may you ask something: Most certainly, yes! Please ask.
roderik> that all the major events or and "glow bursts" as I call them have happend in the past 12 months
roderik> go ahead, stoki
Jack> [roderik... I really relate to that Guiding Whisper to which you referred. That's a very powerful meme! Thanks!]
anerosmith> hi guys
stoki> in this last session I just had my hands, feet, head and lower belly were vibrating and my fingers were cringing to the point of it being almost uncomfortable
stoki> there was no sexual energy whatsoever
Jack> Roderik it's gracious of you to pass the Talking Stick to stoki, AND I look forward to hearing more about your glow bursts. Nice metaphor, thanks!
stoki> should I do something differently? do you recognize this as being a symptom of something?
stoki> I'm sorry that I just barged in roderik
Jack> [Welcome annerosmith! KSMO veteran stoki in Slovenia has the Talking Stick]
stoki> I should be at a party right now I hope they're still waiting for me
stoki> lol jack I'm not a veteran quite yet
stoki> and hi to annerosmith!
Jack> stoki, re: your question... were you using the single erotic touch or caress just prior to each Key Sound™ during your 20 minute practice sessions?
Jack> Well stoki, you're a veteran, you may not yet consider yourself an Adept, but all in good time, my friend! :)
stoki> yes but those touches weren't generating any pulses up my spine
Jack> The touches may not... the pulses or whatever spontaneous sensation may occur, tend to do so just after your use of the Key Sound™,
Jack> which itself immediately follows the touch or caress... without hurrying or forcing, of course.
Jack> stoki, I don't recal, have you posted an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Free Validation area as yet?
stoki> but it was as if my genital area wasn't as sensitive to the touch as usual
stoki> yes I have once but haven't made a second submission taking into account your suggestions
Jack> Ok, would you please go ahead and do that as soon as you get the chance?
Jack> That will be a good next step in your practice.
stoki> maybe it was just that the ks was too high up in the throat
Jack> Ok?
Jack> Yes it needs to be husky, as I may have mentioned in the training post.
stoki> wait I'll do that now
Jack> While you're doing that, how about we pass the Talking Stick to Crunkyeah, who's been very gracious. And then back to you, stoki, or to anerosmith if you're not quite ready. There's plenty of time for everyone.
stoki> yes
stoki> I'll just submit this now and then I'll be going to a school reunion
Jack> Crunkyeah, would you like the Talking Stick?
Jack> Ok stoki, that's fine. I'll post my comments as a reply to your posted sample.
stoki> also Crunkyeah doesn't seem to be here anymore
roderik> have fun stoki!
Jack> It's VERY nice to have you back in the chats! I hope we'll being hearing more from you again!
stoki> OK thank you Jack
Jack> I wish you all the very best, as always!
stoki> yes indeed goodbye everyone!
CRUNKYEAH> i'm here but i'll participate during the pm chat
CRUNKYEAH> cya all later :)
Jack> Bye for now stoki. Drive safely! And have fun!!!
Jack> Ok Crunkyeah. That's fine! You'll have first dibs on the Talking Stick if you're there at the beginning.
Jack> Ok, anerosmith (LOVE the name, lol!) you have the Talking Stick, and welcome!
Jack> Hmmm. Perhaps anerosmith is off posting or some such.
Jack> Ahem... Who would like the Talking Stick?
Jack> If you CAN make it to the chat starting at 0200 GMT April 12, I'd prefer we chat then, but if your schedule
Jack> doesn't permit you to be at that chat, then by all means you are welcome to the Talking Stick now.
Jack> Anybody?
roderik> Well, I think it's just you and me
Jack> Ok roderik. Would you like to continue now?
roderik> That's too late for me (3 a.m. for me I think) but I don't need to discuss anything else really
Jack> I am quite happy to help you.
roderik> I just figure I'd mention I'm trying Zaneblue's diet (minus the ZMA currently as it had me sleeping oddly and is expensive)
Jack> BTW, just so people will have a sense of how international our community is, where generally are you typing from?
roderik> I'm located in Germany
Jack> Thanks, and please go ahead.
roderik> I just realized that the GMT clock is still on real time, whereas we're now on daylight savings
Jack> Tschuss!
Jack> RE: the clock, GMT itself I don't believe DOES Daylight Savings Time, does it?
Jack> At any rate all you have to do is see how many hours and minutes the countdown clock says, and then schedule based on that.
roderik> I doubt it...I'd just not thought about it. I mean, the UK has daylight savings, but the GMT clock must not adjust
Jack> That applies no matter where in the world you are, and you don't have to sweat time zones and the like.
Jack> The countdown clock shows time remain to start, no matter where you are.
roderik> so what is your take on Zaneblue's diet and have you heard from here recently?
Jack> I have not studied her diet, but plan to investigate it, and offer her publications through our site as well.
roderik> I tend to think my own rhythms have more effect than what I eat, but I thought I might as well do what I can
Jack> Sure! I hope you'll include your thoughts and experiences with the program in your blog here.
roderik> She is really fascinating, and I loved reading her descriptions of heartgasms--she has a gift for that kind of description
Jack> Yeah she really resonates for a LOT of people! I'm glad you find her teachings beneficial!
Jack> I agree with you re: your rhythms having the greater effect.
anerosmith> sorry guys got cut off
Jack> Most likely, anyway.
roderik> I will try to post some experiences in my blog soon
Jack> Ah welcome back, anerosmith! Sorry about the timeout interruption!
Jack> My "most likely" comment was re: rhythm having the greater effect.
anerosmith> thanks
Jack> Great re: blog soon, roderik - I really look forward to that!
Jack> Is there anything else we might help you with now, or that you'd like to share?
roderik> Yeah, I agree. I try to keep up with some of the recommendations people make on the forum as to what might be helpful/useful
Jack> Good!
roderik> like products or suggestions, though I feel sometimes it's just time for the vibes to flourish
roderik> No, I don't have anything else specifically.
Jack> Yes I agree about sometimes it's just relaxing enough and ALLOWING the energy enough for it to blossom.
Jack> It's a very yin path to superb multiorgasmic power.
Jack> Ok, anerosmith, how about you? Can you make it to the chat #2 that starts in a little less than 5 hours?
anerosmith> no sorry,that would be 3 am where i am
Jack> Same question for you, Mr. Crunk. :)
Jack> Ok anerosmith you have the Talking Stick now. What other questions or comments do you have? How may we help you this evening?
anerosmith> well just to say things are going well on the ksmo front
Jack> That is EXCELLENT!
Jack> In what ways? What's happening?
anerosmith> my sessions are about 1 hour now in which i can have about 13 multiples
Jack> FANTASTIC!!!
Jack> Welcome to Adepthood! :D
anerosmith> interestingly,I recently startes orgasming (is that a word) just at the thought of the peasure awaiting,before I even started
Jack> I hope you'll spread the word about how this is working for you.
anerosmith> sorry,typos
Jack> I'm very biased of course, but I think the World could use more folks who have this skill.
anerosmith> how can I spread the word?
Jack> Might lead to less bellicosity and mayhem. That's my hope anyway.
Jack> Hey no sweat re: the typos. :)
roderik> Many congratulations, anerosmith!!
Jack> Anerosmith, YES!!! Those ANTICIPATORY ORGASMS are a DEFINITE characteristic and Benefit of reaching Adept levels of skill with this practice. CONGRATULATIONS!!!
anerosmith> Am I allowed to discuss my techniques in detail or is that for a forum post
Jack> Now that you are that open, you may find that the response is also available when you're enjoying really beautiful... ANYTHING! Music, sunsets, sunrises, food, looking into your lover's eyes, just thinking about them, and on and on.
Jack> Yes by all means discuss here in detail. This transcript will automatically post to the Chat Transcripts forum in just a couple of hours from now.
Jack> You are ALSO quite welcome and ENCOURAGED to post more about your experiences and insights in the Forum and in your blog. The more the merrier!
anerosmith> thanks.Just to say I find nipple stimulation gives the most intense orgasms
Jack> People want to read and learn all they can from people such as you who are Adept at this practice and experience.
anerosmith> I'll say this is not for beginners and would be off protocol
anerosmith> I'd be interested in what ways an adept can enhance his experience
Jack> That's very helpful, anerosmith. Searching our Forum on the keyword nipple will give you a list of other posts in our Forum where that is discussed and you can do linkbacks to them,
Jack> i.e., cross-referencing them in our Knowledge Base (aka "The Forum"). :)
Jack> Curious as to why you think it's off Protocol. Would elaborate, please?
roderik> I've recently "discovered" nipple stim also, and find it intensely emotional and more yin-oriented, though intense
roderik> Why would you say it's not for beginners/off protocol? couldn't it be used as the "simple touch or caress?"
anerosmith> Well,at the height of my arousal I am using continuous nipple stimulation
anerosmith> and that gives me the most intense experiences or "soulgasms"
roderik> sounds wonderful!
anerosmith> I would suggest that beginners use minimal nipple or genital stimulation until the KSMO response is ingrained
Jack> Sure that's ok... because you've already awakened the response it's not like you're trying to push directly toward ejaculation orgasms, nor are you having to tense up to prevent ejaculation. Am I understanding that correctly?
Jack> Yes I agree with precisely, anerosmith, and you have stated it very succinctly and accurately, imho.
anerosmith> Jack,I'd be interested in what techniques you use to get the best response-is that like chasing after the fawn?but I want to go further:p
Jack> Spoken like an Adept! :D
Jack> Well it doesn't really sound to me like it's chasing the fawn, because the fawn already comes to you readily!
roderik> For me, although intense in a way, I don't think nipple stim (at this point) could lead to ejac
Jack> Now that you have awakened the multiorgasmic response and have liberated yourself from the
anerosmith> Roderik,there's no ejaculation,only the orgasms
Jack> need to try to block ejaculation, you're quite free in my opinion to explore all you want, and just continue to let your body's own responses guide you by what seems to work, and open your response more, and dropping out anything that seems to attenuate that.
Jack> [btw My comment about spoken like an Adept was re: anerosmith's statement: I would suggest that beginners use minimal nipple or genital stimulation until the KSMO response is ingrained]
anerosmith> Jack,on a personal level,what works for you-do you just use "vanilla KSMO" or are there more advanced techniques you incorporate into the session?
roderik> Jack, you consider nipple stim and genital stim to be in the same category as regards beginners/single touch?
Jack> For beginners,
Jack> nipple stimulation and genital stimulation or any erotic stimulation should be practiced as
Jack> a single touch followed by the gentle unforced Key Sound™,
Jack> and several relaxing breaths, until the multiorgasmic response is awakened
Jack> so that you can simply ALLOW the orgasms to happen with minimal touch pretty much whenever you like, and are in an
Jack> appropriate situation.
Jack> Once that response is awakened then you're basically off the leash, lol! :D
Jack> Explore all you want.
Jack> If you're getting responses that are enjoyable to you, that's usually a green light.
Jack> If the responses attenuate, then your erotic system is telling you that's not really working for you at those deeper levels.
Jack> Achieving SELF-CALIBRATION in this way is the payoff for opening to the Adept levels of enjoyment.
roderik> I see what you mean
anerosmith> That's great advice
roderik> for me, nipple stim is so indirect, that I feelt I can do more of that to stoke the yin without it feeling like "direct" stim
Jack> :) Thank you! I'm very glad it resonates for you!!!
Jack> That's fine - let your intuition guide you. The ultimate test is the absence or presence and perceived quality and satisfaction afforded by the Echo Effects™.
anerosmith> Roderik,from my experiments stimulating the glans,the top bit of the penis is the most likely way to deviate towards a single ejaculatory orgasm,unless I can back off well before the point of no return
roderik> re: anersostmith, I agree
anerosmith> Every time I find I am not getting the pleasure I want,I return to the BASIC technique:never fails me:)
Jack> This is all good news, guys. I'm VERY glad the Practice is working so well for you, and I hope you'll spread the word. That's my main way of supporting the continuation of this work, is when you let others know.
Jack> That's because you're speaking from your authentic personal experience of the unprecedented adventures.
Jack> Whew, GREAT discussion guys, and I'm VERY VERY glad that you're getting so much from your practice!
Jack> That's what this is all about. :D
Jack> Is there anything else I might help you with at this time? I should probably take a break pretty soon, to rest up for the next chat that starts in a little over 4 hours.
anerosmith> Thanks for your help Jack
roderik> I'm fine Jack, you take a rest, and have a wonderful Easter holiday!
Jack> Thanks very much roderik, including for your kind holiday wishes... Happy Spring!
Jack> You are QUITE welcome, anerosmith!!! Always nice to hear from you, and for you guys to help out the newbies.
Jack> It really means a GREAT deal to people when this information comes from someone in addition to me.
Jack> Ok, the chat channel stays open of course, 24/7... So you are free to continue to chat all you want. I'm going to post the ending of the hosted chat but by all means continue, whenever you like.
Jack> Thanks again VERY much for being here, and for sharing your experience of discovery!!!
Jack> ***** END of Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol Training and Discussion Chat of 200904011 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> This Training and Discussion Chat area remains open for the use of the members of our global online community and for the study of all interested adults 18 years of age or older. Welcome!
Jack> The Circle is Open, Yet Unbroken...
Session stop: Sat Apr 11 21:55:58 2009