Session start: Sat Mar 28 23:09:09 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090327
CRUNKYEAH> Hey Laly, neptune56 :)
Laly> hi crunk!!
rumel> Hi Laly are you in a nice pleasant buzz now?
CRUNKYEAH> hey rumel too!
CRUNKYEAH> how are you both today?
rumel> Hi CRUNKYEAH, neptune56
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat of 20090329 Hosted Personally by Jack Johnston MA
Laly> yeah Rumel-- but not like i expected tho
Laly> i am-- well not sure how to answer that crunk :o
rumel> Hi Jack
Jack> Hi y'all! Please, continue.
CRUNKYEAH> hopefully good i take it? ;)
CRUNKYEAH> howdy Jack
Laly> i experienced something "new" today that I wasnt expecting crunk...so kinda confused.
Jack> Laly you're under no obligation to answer ANYthing you don't want to, as you well know. :)
rumel> I sense a small dilemma with you Laly
Laly> yes Jack i know, thanks.
Jack> [There's that: wasn't expecting anything and then it happened - theme]
Jack> [btw]
CRUNKYEAH> so what happened Laly? if you want to share of course
Laly> only "problem" is Jack-- the opposite effect happened with me re: practice
Laly> no orgasms-nothing :(
Jack> Opposite re: your expectation, or ?
Laly> i played the entranced arousal track from Kelly Howell's CD
Laly> instead of "peaking" like i normally do
Laly> i became so 'relaxed' -- all echos faded
Laly> even though I was making the Key sounds
Laly> without stimulation
Jack> What might be some possible messages from your Deeper Self being conveyed by that response?
Laly> the 1-2 light caresses
Laly> that "i" wasnt ready at the time.
Jack> Does that resonate for you as being possible?
Laly> only conclusion I can draw at this time jack.
Laly> a lil depressed to go from all those wonderful echos--
Laly> i was experiencing during am chat-- to have no fruitation
Jack> Makes sense to me as a definite possibility. It's my sense that you're continuing to grow your adult relationship with your deeper healing self and learning to hear what she's telling you.
Laly> yes
Jack> I understand your disappointment re am, yet it seems to me that it's consistent with what I've been discussing here over the years re: the effects of going into practice with specific expectations.
Laly> and trying to decipher what she's saying-- in my dreams.
Jack> It's also very important to remember that it is quite human and natural to do so, nonetheless!
Laly> actually I think i as comparing this to previous ksmo experiences Jack...which I know I should nt do.
Laly> re: echos== the hot/cold - the body shakes
Jack> We ALL go into practice at one time or another, having certain expectations rather than remembering to just ALLOW, and are usually still
Laly> the energy ripples.
Jack> surprised when the experience is not as we may have expected!
CRUNKYEAH> i can concurr with the suprise and expectations jack
Jack> RE: knowing you should not do... Hey no problem! My point is, that it's a natural tendency to do that from time to time, just as it seems to be pretty
Jack> natural that even after so many reminders we've all received from our own erotically responsive self.
Laly> i was surprised period- re": feeling echos at all--i wasn't expecting anything out of today's session.
Laly> i think the trap came when I compared it to my other sessions
Laly> or mind noise if you will.
rumel> This is really wierd, but, Laly, I don't know how significant this is but my inner voice just said to me "Laly should pay attention to the last dream she has upon waking tomorrow morning"
CRUNKYEAH> you were comparing apples to oranges laly? possibly?
Laly> kind of like that, yes crunk- in matter of speaking.
CRUNKYEAH> i see
Laly> at least in regards to my early practices compared to now.
CRUNKYEAH> mmhmm understandable
Laly> I will try to Rumel...lately not been able to recall dreams.
Jack> I also think it may be helpful if you continue to ask your Deeper Self for more insight and clarity about what she's communicating to you. That's congruent with rumel's suggestion.
Jack> It may just come as an aha, or flash of new awareness, a shifted point of view, etc.
Laly> yes-- i will do a meditation session tomorrow, thanks
Jack> Great idea!
Laly> there is one image i can't shake and not sure who is sending to me
Jack> Question about your meditation sessions Laly, if I may?
Jack> Ah, go ahead please with your image.
Laly> seeing tall man with short brown hair--and daughter is asking "daddy" to swing her higher
Laly> to come play with her.
Laly> what's your question Jack
Jack> Yes, when you meditate, what position do you typically use?
Laly> depending on how bad hip is feeling- usually sitting on pillow on bedroom floor- legs out -- comfortable position
Laly> hands either in lap or on thighs.
Jack> And your hands?
Laly> in lap or on thighs
Laly> palms up
Laly> eyes closed-- and do some deep breathing
Laly> releasing tension starting at head and ending at feet
Jack> When you get to your feet, and hang out there for a few breaths, then you might go back up the spine, completing the circle.
Laly> okay.
Jack> Then back down a little deeper... back up a little higher... only as far as you're comfortable though.
Laly> with my bad hip not able to sit indian style anymore
Laly> to complete that circle
Jack> Comfort is paramount.
Jack> imho. :)
Laly> if i still feel anything "out of place" i then do a Reiki treatment on self.
Jack> Is that helpful?
Laly> oh yes :) .
Jack> Great!!!
Jack> Sounds like you might be looking forward to it a little. :)
Laly> lol...can tell huh ... yeah I LOVE doing Reiki.
Jack> All RIGHT!
Jack> Ok... is there anything else you'd like to ask or share before passing the Talking Stick?
Laly> no- pretty well tuckered out right now--
Jack> k, Thanks very much Laly!
Laly> i think i will head to bed-
Jack> Soundsszzzzzzzz... good..........
Laly> you are very welcome- :) thanks to you as well and to rumel
CRUNKYEAH> sweet dreams laly:D
Jack> And you likewise are quite welcome!
Laly> thanks Crunk :) .
Jack> Yes, sweet dreams and have a lovely Spring week!
rumel> Sweet dreams Laly and you will remember tomorrow morning's dream.
Laly> :D .
Jack> Who would like the Talking Stick?
CRUNKYEAH> I have something to say if you don't mind rumel?
rumel> CRUNKYEAH go for it!
CRUNKYEAH> To date, I only have had a few sessions where I could definately 'feel' something.
CRUNKYEAH> Tingles, surges of energy, etc.
CRUNKYEAH> I have noticed that on the days I don't practice I don't experience any new sensations
CRUNKYEAH> But I have noticed that I'm consciously more aware of how I am feeling.
CRUNKYEAH> Will this help me to relax and accept the echo effects more?
Jack> Before now, have you ever heard the expression: The Journey no matter what length, begins with the First Step.
Jack> RE: Your question, what is your hunch about the answer?
CRUNKYEAH> I have not jack
CRUNKYEAH> Is the awareness my '
CRUNKYEAH> 'first step'***
Jack> What's your hunch?
CRUNKYEAH> yes :rolleyes:
Jack> Cool! :D
Jack> Wanna do a little emotional alchemy?
CRUNKYEAH> sure, sounds intruging
Jack> Ok please read the following sentence out loud, provided of course you have privacy:
Jack> To date, I only have had a few sessions where I could definately 'feel' something.
CRUNKYEAH> ok
Jack> What feelings are you noticing after having said it?
CRUNKYEAH> I feel hopeful, relaxed.
Jack> Ok!!!
Jack> Now... um... by the way What's your position?
Jack> Are you sitting, or?
CRUNKYEAH> legs crossed, laptop on my lap
CRUNKYEAH> partially reclined
Jack> Comfy?
CRUNKYEAH> sure is :)
Jack> GREAT!
CRUNKYEAH> mmhmm, I do have a question for you.
Jack> Ok, can you place the laptop just in front of your lap on whatever surface is there, for just a few moments, and yet still see the screen, and maybe type a little by reaching a little?
Jack> K, do you need an answer right now, or can you wait a few? Either way is fine.
CRUNKYEAH> unfortunately the table is cluttered and that isn't quite possible at the moment
CRUNKYEAH> i am patient :)
Jack> No problem!
Jack> Welcome to MY desk, LOL!
Jack> Ok, would you go ahead and read that sentence just one last time, please and let us know when you have?
CRUNKYEAH> Haha, I know how that goes ;) what is it you would like me to do?
Jack> Just go ahead and say that sentence again, one last time, and let me know when you have done so.
CRUNKYEAH> i have done so
Jack> Ok, thanks... Once again take a quick second to notice how you feel, and let me know when you have.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel like I may have been expecting too much.
CRUNKYEAH> My inner self tells me to relax.
Jack> What do you think?
CRUNKYEAH> I think I should trust my inner self.
Jack> Has a certain ring to it, doesn't it?
CRUNKYEAH> It does, it's reassuring to say the least.
Jack> Very Cool!
CRUNKYEAH> Thanks :)
Jack> You're quite welcome! Ok, shall we continue this little alchemy with other phrase, for another coupla moments? Or would you rather pause right here for now? Either way is fine.
CRUNKYEAH> We can continue, what's the phrase?
Jack> It is:
Jack> To date, I only have had a few sessions where I could definately 'feel' something.
CRUNKYEAH> interesting
Jack> How so?
CRUNKYEAH> I have said it aloud once more, and I noticed my focus directed on the word only
CRUNKYEAH> like...its only the beginning, and there is a vast world ahead
CRUNKYEAH> it's somewhat euphoric, in some manner
Jack> You're very precocious, as here is the rest of the spell which I had already prepared:
Jack> Now please say aloud:
Jack> To date, I have had a few sessions where I could definately 'feel' something.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel accomplished after saying that.
Jack> Very VERY Cool!
Jack> :D
CRUNKYEAH> I thank you for showing me something I already knew deep down.
CRUNKYEAH> But was expecting more, because I haven't experienced orgasms yet.
CRUNKYEAH> So it's nice to see how you used the words I used to show me something I already knew.
Jack> Yes! PRECISELY that!!!
CRUNKYEAH> I think I may try this technique more often when writing in my journal.
Jack> And further support of that awareness is that out all of the worlds in that sentence, you keyed on THE word that I had already removed for the booster phrase.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel accomplished :D
Jack> And well you should, My Friend!
CRUNKYEAH> Thank you, for shedding light on it :)
Jack> Thanks for helping me cook up that spell!
CRUNKYEAH> Sure thing!
Jack> It was YOUR LIGHT that came on! ;)
CRUNKYEAH> I hope someone reads from this and sees exactly what I now see.
CRUNKYEAH> I suppose you're right there :)
Jack> Me too!
Jack> It's good to suppose... What's your hunch?
CRUNKYEAH> My intuition tells me I like this light of mine.
Jack> Crunk, YEAH!!!
rumel> And well you should!
CRUNKYEAH> And I'm gonna let it shine :P I truly understand the words of that popular childrens' song now.
CRUNKYEAH> Thank you rumel :)
Jack> Right ON, Crunkyeah!!!
CRUNKYEAH> I feel enlightened
CRUNKYEAH> I am curious to ask my question now, if you don't mind/
Jack> WOO WHOOOO!!!! :):D:p:D:)
CRUNKYEAH> ?*
Jack> Sure by all means.
CRUNKYEAH> INDEED :D :D :D
CRUNKYEAH> Regarding breathing and making the KS
CRUNKYEAH> I have noticed I have consciously been taking a deeper breath to make the KS artificially louder
CRUNKYEAH> I'm not sure how to make the KS with a normal breath, because I seem to always run out of air.
Jack> Ah not necessary for it to be artificially loud. Straining can introduce tension that may block the free flow of the awakening energy.
Jack> Or rather if not block, attenuate to a degree somewhat correlated with the degree of tension.
CRUNKYEAH> I understand, how do I go about fixing that?
CRUNKYEAH> I'm not entirely sure how to make the KS without an intentionally large breath.
Jack> RE: Your Key Sound™ I see that you have not yet posted a sample to the Private Key Sound™ validation area.
CRUNKYEAH> I have not, unfortunately I don't have a microphone to record my KS.
CRUNKYEAH> So I'm not entirely sure how to give you samples of it.
Jack> It's part of the training protocol to do so, ahem, so that I may help you fine tune it.
Jack> Do you have a Mac or PC?
CRUNKYEAH> I have discovered how to 'make it work' for myself, but it's a miss-hit sort of thing.
CRUNKYEAH> PC. Windows Vista.
Jack> You don't need a high quality microphone to make the recording. Just a little ol' cheapie from the local
Jack> distributor of cheap imported electronic gear for pc's.
Jack> Or borrow one from a friend. I'll bet you can figure a way.
CRUNKYEAH> Alright.
Jack> I think you may have the will.
CRUNKYEAH> I can look around and see what I can find.
CRUNKYEAH> I do :o but sometimes i can be bit of a procrastinator.
Jack> Well, it's your Echo Effects™... take all the time you need to allow them into your life, and only to the extent you feel comfortable doing so.
CRUNKYEAH> I realize my success will be measured by my efforts, and that in itself is some serious motivation.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel comfortable allowing them as soon as possible :p
orion> Good Evening
Jack> I'll take Door #2 out of those two choices.
Jack> < was to Crunkyeah.
CRUNKYEAH> Hullo orion :)
orion> Just happened to check in and here you all are.
Jack> Good Evening Orion and Warm Welcome Newbie Orion, and to Veteran Adept Drew!
CRUNKYEAH> Door #2 being??
rumel> hi Drew & orion
rumel> ...comfortable allowing...
orion> Thanks Jack, Hi Crunkyeah and everyone.
Jack> Thanks rumel, you have it!
CRUNKYEAH> Ahh I see.
orion> Do the chats only go for an hour?
Jack> No, they start at 1700 and a second one at 0200 GMT about every other weekend.
CRUNKYEAH> Nope, they last as long as whatever needs discussing, or however late people want to stay up.
CRUNKYEAH> Or that haha.
Jack> Duration just depends on how many show up, who wants to get some answers and / or share.
orion> Ok Great. I would like to know why I have a tensing up in my low low back just above my gluts when doing the ki sound. Is that normal?
CRUNKYEAH> I'd have something I'd like to share quickly then I'd like to pass the TS is possible?
orion> fine by me :)
Jack> Sure Crunkyeah, would you take a quick moment to introduce Orion to our Talking Stick custom? He's a Welcome Newbie.
CRUNKYEAH> No no, please go ahead.
Jack> [ fyi, orion, when you arrived, Crunkyeah had and has the Talking Stick :) ]
CRUNKYEAH> The phenomena I just experienced needs evaluation so I'll think on it before saying anything.
CRUNKYEAH> Sure thing Jack.
Jack> That's very gracious, Crunkyeah, I'm wondering if you'd nevertheless explain to him our custom. :D
CRUNKYEAH> Well, the Talking Stick gives the person a chance to ask questions or share something.
orion> Oh I get it, talking stick. Ok cool. Sorry Crunkyeah.
CRUNKYEAH> We give everyone a chance to say something, if they want to.
Jack> Thanks Crunkyeah, that was a GREAT Telepathic Speed Lesson! ;)
CRUNKYEAH> It's completely alright :) I'm now passing it to you orion.
CRUNKYEAH> You have the floor :D
Jack> Oh sorry didn't mean to interrupt your explanation C!
CRUNKYEAH> Thanks Jack ;)
orion> Oh thank you so much.
Jack> You're very welcome. You really have ROCKED, tonight! GREAT WORK, Crunkyeah!
CRUNKYEAH> Sure thing, carry on :)
Jack> Orion, since you're a noob, would you take a few moments to tell us a little about you like age, marital status, where generally you're typing from, etc. Whatever you like, and share nothing that you don't want to.
Jack> And how you heard about us. :)
Jack> Meanwhile, if you'd just like an answer to your question, that is quite all right as well. Just say so. We won't take offense. :)
orion> I'm 46, live with my partner of 20 years, on my desktop. Learned about you from the Aneros website I believe. I really love the concept of MMO because I've meditated since 1987 and I like this approach Jack.
orion> O
orion> I've noticed a general opening up of my heart and attitudes since doing MMO
Jack> Thanks very much, O, it's great to begin to get to know you!
CRUNKYEAH> Congratulations orion :)
orion> :) you guys are great!
Jack> That's WONDERFUL, O!
Jack> < re: opening heart and attitudes since beginning practice.
orion> I know that opening up came from the MMO
orion> It was apparent to me and I was able to be more loving when practing MMO
Jack> What a lovely beginning for your practice!
orion> It's a great thing that you teach. I wish more practiced it.
CRUNKYEAH> The whole world?! :p
Jack> They will when you let them know about it. :)
orion> in my practice I sometimes notice a tensing up just above my gluts in the low middle of my back. I'm trying to avoid it but it slips back in. Today it actually spasmmed. Is that normal? Yes the whole world. Would it not be great?
Jack> Crunkyeah yeah... The whole world. Echoes, ya know. ;)
CRUNKYEAH> It would be.
Jack> It WILL be, thanks to you!
CRUNKYEAH> I have noticed if I direct the KS in a loving healing way towards a certain part of my body that it becomes more relaxed and I am more aware of it.
CRUNKYEAH> Something you may want to try.
Jack> RE: the spasms, are you maybe pushing the practice a bit? Like making a louder Key Sound™ or tensing up in some other ways?
Jack> Orion I think Crunkyeah's tip is a good one, imho.
Jack> The Key Sound™ is indeed a healing sound, in my opinion.
Jack> When it's used with affirmative intention.
Jack> Talk about a laser treatment, whoa!
Jack> Orion, could you please take a few moments to describe a practice session when this tension occurs?
orion> It's possible but I have been very aware of that. I think that I try to force the belly breathing and that may cause that tensing up.
CRUNKYEAH> A personal orgasm laser? :p
orion> The spasms only happened once fyi
Jack> How does your session begin, how does it evolve? When typically does the tension appear?
orion> Where can I buy one of those...just kidding
Jack> Ok, re: only once, but seems like a good idea to learn what we can from it, eh?
Jack> Orion re: where can you buy one, you came prewired with one! We're just here to help you find the ON switch! ;)
CRUNKYEAH> where you can buy one....the great news is that it's FREE you just have to awaken it :)
Jack> See? Gotta WITNESS!
orion> Well I start usually buy listening to one of the seminars, then I'm doing the ki sound and doing the breathing and after a few I feel vibrations below my testes, sometimes in my solar plexus and in that low back area
Jack> Yep that's one of the cornerstones of understanding this... It is an awakening of a capability that is genetically-endowed, regardless of gender or orientation.
Jack> My comment just prior was re: crunkyeah's last comment.
Jack> Ok during this time, are you also using the erotic caress?
Jack> < ? was to orion.
orion> At first no because I wanted to experience multiples without stimulation but I have started some minor stimulation and have found 3 hot spots. Cool.
Jack> The multiples without any stimulation other than choosing to allow another one to happen, will occur as you become more adept, as the response continues to awaken in you more fully.
Jack> Were you experience the discomfort in your glutes even before you introduced the little bit of stimulation?
orion> Yes sometimes I'm just thinking about MMO and I get echos
Jack> All RIGHT then you've already awakened the response considerably. Congratulations!
Jack> Of course it's likely that use of the Aneros may have helped you with that.
orion> Sometimes I just lay there and feel flutterings from my stomach down to my groin
Jack> That is, to be already so responsive to this Protocol. I think you can now appreciate why so many at the Aneros site are also or have also been regulars here at one time or another. :)
Jack> Although not necessary, Aneros practice can be good preparation for this practice.
orion> Oh yes the tingling sensations started almost as soon as I started. It's the big bang that keeps me going. :D Yes I can see my so many come over. It's better in so many ways.
Jack> RE: Flutterings, that's really great that you just relax and enjoy the sensations!
orion> I just have not experienced orgasum. I know not to push it but it gets a lttle frustrating sometimes.
Jack> Like I said, I don't believe the Aneros to be necessary... I discovered the Key Sound™ and developed the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ long before I learned about the Aneros,
Jack> but it has clearly helped a very large number of people seemingly accelerate their learning here.
Jack> RE: orgasm, dude you just got here! LOL.
orion> Well I prefer the trigger because it's seems like such a spiritual practice so much so that it's overtaking my regular mediatations
Jack> I think some of the tension may be your attachment to what you think is orgasm and fretting that you're not their yet. For this I coined the moniker: Mind Noise. And it can lead to a tendency to less enjoy what you ARE experiencing already!
Jack> RE: overtaking your regular meditations, perhaps there is some way, at least some of the time, to integrate the KSMO practice with your regular meditative practice.
orion> Oh nicely put
Jack> It could certainly be worth exploring. I would also though recommend that you practice
orion> on both points
Jack> the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ in its simplest form at least a couple of times a week.
orion> is every other day too much?
orion> :)
Jack> Yeah it could be. I'd say three times a week at most. And if you have any sense of impatience... which ahem, you seem to maybe just a teeny tiny bit, then maybe slightly less than three times per week.
Jack> The reason is that if you're feeling like you really want to get all you can right away, you may be slipping into a trap.
Jack> Thanks to Andi, a very wise woman KSMO Adept from the UK, this pattern we refer to as chasing the fawn away.
Jack> Use our Forum search engine and put "chasing the fawn" in quotes like I just did and you'll get a bunch
Jack> of posts where we discuss this tendency. As Andi so sagely put it:
orion> Yes I've seen her post, and remembered it.
Jack> The secret is to learn to relax completely, and let the fawn come to you... The fawn being the metaphor for the multiple orgasm waves.
Jack> Ah that's great that you've seen her post. Excellent! From the Sage's Lips Herself!
Jack> My intuition is whispering to me that for you, maybe twice a week for a little while. See what happens. Keep checking in here, including by posting to your blog here, posting questions in The Lounge here, and, as you're so wisely doing this evening, coming to these chats.
Jack> OH! And posting a sample .mp3 of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Private Validation area so I can review it JUST to make sure you're on the signal line.
orion> I have noticed that I'm more "body" aware since I've started. I've relax and wait upon the fawn. Thanks Jack.
Jack> Right on! You're quite welcome!
orion> I'll make the recording. Thanks for the advise.
orion> God Bless the British! :)
Jack> RE: Making the recording: Great!
orion> They are a cool people.
Jack> I'm sure Andi would be pleased to know you think so! :D
Jack> Meanwhile, as to the cramping or uncomfortable tension in the lower back,
Jack> as SOON as you notice the LEADING EDGE of that discomfortable sensation, pause the stimulation, and pause the Key Sound!
orion> ok
Jack> This is because the stimulation plus the Key Sound™ tends to pump more energy into a system that is already sending you a yellow light saying whoa dude... oxygen please!
Jack> Therefore just pause the stimulation and the Key Sound™ and just do some relaxing breathing and just massage the area that is starting to tense up and by using gentle open-handed massage-like stroking of the tensing area,
orion> Yea it's not right that it tenses up
Jack> massage outward with the intuition of helping the energy that's accumulating there, and causing the tension to spread throughout
Jack> the rest of your body, as you continue to do slow, relaxing breathing.
Jack> As you do so there's a good chance that at least some of these strokes will feel pretty good, pretty relaxing, and may even trigger some more highly pleasurable Echo Effects™.
Jack> Well the tensing is telling you that the energy, the chi, is accumulating in that area for some reason... It has stopped or some of has stopped or slowed flowing up and down your body. So
Jack> at a time like that you don't want to be pumping even more energy into the system by stimulation or arousal-amplifying Key Sounds™. You just want to RELAX MORE and OXYGENATE.
Jack> :)
orion> So I'm suppose to feel it up and down my body?
Jack> Let your body answer those questions for you. It's not about supposed to... Just let your body teach you what it has in mind. ;)
Jack> You're supposed to pause the stimulation and the Key Sounds™ whenever tension builds up and just gently massage the tension away as you do gentle relaxing breathing.
CRUNKYEAH> there is no 'supposed' there only just is...if that makes sense
orion> This reminds me of a conversation I had with an old friend back in 92 who was pronouncing the names of God in chant too often and said he blew out a chakra. Sounds similar.
Jack> Only resume the single touch or caress and the Key Sound™ after the cramps or discomfort have completely dissipated and only pleasure is what you are feeling.
Jack> Yeah, don't push the river. It flows by itself.
Jack> There was a wonderful woman named Barry Stevens who wrote a nice book by that title. It's a cool book if you can find a copy I recommend it.
orion> Sometime I'm watching TV and my body starts with the echos. I feel like it want's me to practice the chi sound. Should I hold off if I've done my 2x that week?
orion> Is don't push the river the name of the book?
Jack> Yeah the name of the book is:
Jack> Don't Push the River, It Flows by Itself
Jack> by Barry Stevens
Jack> Ok?
orion> Honestly sometimes I feel like the echos are driving me to do more Chi practice. Have other students said as much?
Jack> Ohhhh yeah.
Jack> That's a good time to do some nice relaxing breathing, and
Jack> STAY OPEN as you might be surprised WHAT BREATH ALONE might trigger at a time like that!
orion> :D Ok I will.
Jack> VERY Cool, Orion, good on ya!
Jack> May we now pass the Talking Stick to Drew if he wants it?
orion> Thank you for being here Jack. You're always giving. It's amazing. Yes TS to Drew! :)
Jack> You're very welcome, Orion! I'm looking forward to much more dialogue with you!
CRUNKYEAH> Seconded there orion! Jack many thanks to you :D
Jack> Mr. Drew, are you there? Would you like the Talking Stick?
Jack> You are quite welcome, Crunkyeah! Thank YOU for what you bring to this discussion. You bring GREAT ENERGY! Very nice to have you in our Community!
Jack> Paging Drew, would you like the Talking Stick this evening, Drew?
CRUNKYEAH> I don't believe Drew is in tonight, but it's just a hunch.
Jack> Yep seems like it, although he shows as logged in.
Jack> Crunkyeah, is there anything else I may help you with this evening/morning or are we wrapped?
CRUNKYEAH> Maybe he's just observing?
Jack> It's fine if you have another question or comment, btw!
CRUNKYEAH> Ummm, one quick question/comment and then we can be on our way.
CRUNKYEAH> That okay?
Jack> k, sure!
CRUNKYEAH> Mmk :)
rumel> I'm still here
CRUNKYEAH> Before I passed the TS to orion.
CRUNKYEAH> I was very comfy.
CRUNKYEAH> I stretched and had all the muscles in my back and chest and stomach tense up.
CRUNKYEAH> I could feel the blood rushing to my brain quickly as my heart started beating more quickly to supply my muscles with blood.
CRUNKYEAH> For some odd reason, this feeling feels very very enjoyable to me.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel a rush of adrenaline for a few moments.
CRUNKYEAH> I notice if i let this feeling just be, it's much more enjoyable than if I force it
Jack> (hi rumel!)
CRUNKYEAH> the same phenomena happens after a session and my muscles are relaxed
CRUNKYEAH> Is there some connection between this adrenaline rush and multiple orgasms?
CRUNKYEAH> after this question the TS is all yours rumel :D
Jack> What is your hunch?
CRUNKYEAH> I'm not sure to be honest.
Jack> Are sure it's an adrenaline rush?
CRUNKYEAH> I couldn't explain what else it would be, but no I'm not entirely sure.
rumel> or an endorphin cascade?
CRUNKYEAH> That very well could be.
CRUNKYEAH> The feeling is similar to an ejaculatory orgasm but it's not quite the same.
Jack> Hmmm. If it's not an adrenaline rush, what kind of rush could it be??? Hmm during a chat about KSMO among KSMO practitioners...
Jack> Could it be...
CRUNKYEAH> An orgasm for me feels more lower body, this feeling is more heart/brain related.
Jack> EMPATHY?
CRUNKYEAH> Yes jack?
CRUNKYEAH> Empathy triggered from stretching??
Jack> How could that be???
Jack> Orgasm ABOVE THE WAIST?!?!?!?!?????
Jack> Orgasm in the HEART area????!!!!????
Jack> The BRAIN even!
CRUNKYEAH> Well Jack, I couldn't really say if it's a heartgasm or not.
CRUNKYEAH> Or a braingasm
CRUNKYEAH> What gets me thinking is how this only happens after I'm really relaxed and then go straight into a really 'hard' stretch.
CRUNKYEAH> I'm thinking rumel might be onto something with the endorphins, because the feeling is truly euphoric.
CRUNKYEAH> And scientifically I couldn't give any other explanation for it.
Jack> No clue about Heartgasm, eh? Type heartgasm in our site search and you'll get 70 pages of LINKS to discussions of heartgasm. :eek: :rolleyes:
CRUNKYEAH> It might also be good to note, this doesn't happen everytime I stretch the way I do.
CRUNKYEAH> It only happens after being really relaxed.
CRUNKYEAH> I'll look into it Jack, it really sounds like a wonderful sensation.
CRUNKYEAH> My question is, if it is a combined heart/braingasm then how does my stretching trigger it?
Jack> Maybe reading that will help you trance-end some learned limitationsand get your orgasms above your waist. ;)
Jack> Danged if I know!
CRUNKYEAH> hopefully! :rolleyes:
Jack> But I have some hunches, like the energy may have been kind of collecting. For SOME reason you felt moved to stretch... Stretching, I believe, helps open up our energy channels so the chi may flow more easily. There's a little practice called yoga that has something to do with that. t hee. :D
CRUNKYEAH> That does make sense too.
CRUNKYEAH> But I'm getting pretty sleepy so I think I'll stick around for a little while but I'll pass the TS to rumel if you'd like it?
Jack> I DO encourage you to search on Heartgasm and on Heartgasms (different results sets) and give your preconceived beliefs about possible loci of orgasms a little stretch. ;)
Jack> Yeah I'm starting to fade too. But happy to answer another few questions, just need to begin winding down. It's 10:30pm here and I'm on hour 6.5 of chatting today. :)
CRUNKYEAH> Will do Jack surely.
Jack> Rumel, I am at your service!
CRUNKYEAH> And I'll definitely look into a cheap microphone too.
Jack> ;) Crunkyeah!
CRUNKYEAH> Oh I could only imagine, six and a half hours!
Jack> Attaboy CY!
rumel> I guess a lot of people have expended their energies earlier today. Jack, 'artform' sends his regrets for not being able to attend tonight's Chat session, but he is fatigued from a long drive and busy schedule today.
Jack> Ah many warm thanks helloes to artform and Mrs. A!
CRUNKYEAH> I think it's time I head off to dreamland
rumel> Since it is so late now I'll let you go to bed, Good night CRUNKYEAH and Jack.
CRUNKYEAH> Thanks jack for the wonderful conversation
CRUNKYEAH> Good night Jack, rumel
CRUNKYEAH> It's been a pleasure :D
Jack> You are VERY welcome, Crunkyeah, and many thanks to YOU for all you brought to it!
Jack> Warm Greetings to SomaExplorer! S/E: rumel just received the Talking Stick (i.e., he is just taking the floor, then you are next if you like).
Jack> Ok, rumel, you have it!
orion> Good Night everyone!
Jack> Sweet Dreams, Orion!
Jack> Rumel, would you like the Talking Stick? That is, would you like the floor, to ask a question or offer a comment?
Jack> Ok, Hi SomaExplorer, do you have a question I might answer or have a comment about practice?
SomaExplorer> I had a quick question.
SomaExplorer> I was thinking of recommending the program to someone who had prostate surgery and isn't fully functional anymore.
SomaExplorer> Would KSMO still work in that case?
Jack> It may not restore erections, etc. but very possibly could still offer him an opportunity to experience orgasm without ejaculation.
Jack> There's really only one way to find out.
SomaExplorer> I know it wouldn't restore the physical aspect, but I would be willing to bet getting orgasms working would be nice. :)
Jack> To put it mildly!
SomaExplorer> thanks...that's the only question I have.
Jack> Ok. You're quite welcome. I hope practice is going well for you, and please know that I'm always happy to answer any questions you may have about practice. I'm here to help you learn.
Jack> Is there anyone else who has a question for me before I say goodnight? I'm happy to answer it, and this is your chance to ask me directly. :)
Jack> How about you, mariachi? G'day!
mariachi> hey Jack and co!
mariachi> Seems like I just made the end of the chat...
Jack> mariachi you may have the Talking Stick, if you want it. I'd love to hear how you're doing,
mariachi> better late than never I guess!
Jack> and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.
Jack> Most definitely mariachi!
mariachi> Well, as per my last blog - I mentioned some a negative furball
mariachi> which quickly - to my surprise - turned around with a more positive attitude.
mariachi> Since then I have not had a chance to practice. But,
Jack> That is VERY cool! How did that happen?
mariachi> I do have a question: sometimes, when I read a blog/post
mariachi> where someone details their echo effects, I find myself having
mariachi> very small echo effects, like tingles etc. Does this happen for others?
Jack> Yes. It's empathy, imho.
mariachi> (re: positive turnaround... Rumel responded with some good advice. The next day I woke up feeling a little horny, and just jumped straight into a session
mariachi> perhaps it was having so little time to THINK - it was just a great pleasurable session :)
mariachi> Re. echo effects. Good to know I'm not alone Jack :o
Jack> You are DEFINITELY not alone, Brother!
Jack> :)
Jack> What else?
mariachi> Well, I think the positive turnaround was helped by really feeling like a KSMO session -
mariachi> sometimes I feel like an "ordinary" ejaculation; but that morning I really had a strong urge to connect to myself 'KSMO style'.
Jack> Cool!
Jack> Sounds like your practice is going well, mariachi!
mariachi> It might sound simple, but often I am hemmed in by "shoulds", in that I should do this/that.
mariachi> Another new experience was that two days later I really felt like ejaculation. When I came the orgasm (not the ejaculation) went on for much longer than I've ever experienced before -
mariachi> I actually opened my eyes to see what was going on! Thinking back on these two experiences,
Jack> VERY VERY cool!
Jack> Yes that is a very nice and reasonably typical experience for people
Jack> who've become adept in this practice!
mariachi> I have to say they were both unique and empowering. :)
Jack> CONGRATULATIONS!!!
mariachi> GREAT!:D
Jack> BTW, mariachi, you're coming up on your SIXTH ANNIVERSARY in our online Community! May 14.
Jack> VERY WARM Congratulations on that as well!!!
mariachi> Wow! A long time - In a way I feel like I should be more 'adept', yet at the same time those last experiences make me feel honoured to be involved at all.
Jack> yeah those shoulds still get stuck on the bottom of your shoes sometimes, don't they! :)
Jack> You gotta go over to the curb and scrape'em off!
mariachi> haha... see? Ah well, I guess they hang about a bit! But last 6 years has been a full on ride sexually.
mariachi> I first came here, in what I see now, in a pretty scared place.
Jack> Yeah! And I was just typing that it's a sign of just how far you really have come (pun intended, what the heck!).
Jack> Yeah Brother... yet as scared as you were, YOU DIDN'T LET GO OF YOUR CONNECTION to our Community or to your practice, and look at you now!
mariachi> I wouldn't say I'm not scared now (I still have my moments), but there have been so many good things. So many :)
Jack> You can safely look in the mirror now and say congruently: I AM a survivor!
Jack> One of my wisest teachers, Dr. Robert Goulding, taught me that sometimes anxiety is excitement I haven't yet let myself enjoy!
Jack> I think that really applies here.
mariachi> I'd like to thank Jack and the community at multiples.com *bows* - oh, and myself for sticking around!
Jack> And you have made GREAT progress in converting that anxiety to excitement and yes even orgasmic excitement.
Jack> LOL VERY WELL SAID Mariachi!!! WAY TO CLAIM YOUR FAME!!!
mariachi> hahaha... thank you :p
Jack> You are VERY WELCOME!!!
mariachi> Well, that is about it from my end... it must be quite late over there?
Jack> You're right mate, it's 11:30PM. I've been hosting chat for a total of 7.5 hours today!
mariachi> oh, wow!
Jack> I'm REALLY glad you checked in today, matey. This is a GREAT finish for this weekend's chats!
Jack> Anything else I might help you with at this time?
rumel> Geeze, I checked out earlier so you could get some sleep Jack
mariachi> A deserved night's sleep! Yes, I'm glad too - happy to see it was still going :)
Jack> LOL, rumel... And I plan to get some!!!
Jack> Yes mariachi, we're still going, eh Brother? LOL :D ;)
mariachi> No, all done here Jack. Off to bed! Good to chat again!
Jack> Ok boys, shall we wrap it for this time?
rumel> Jack did you notice your typo when you said "And further support of that awareness is that out all of the worlds in that sentence, you keyed on THE word that I had already removed for the booster phrase." I wonder what was being communicated there.
Jack> BTW, this chat didn't quite break the Record but it's in the top 5 to 10 for duration, at 4.5 hours.
mariachi> Yes I think so. Chat later Jack and co :)
rumel> Wierd, when you did the emotional alchemy test, when I read that statement I felt like I was being limited or being held back by something and was a little perturbed by the spelling "definately" in lieu of "definitely"
Jack> RE: the definately, that was not my spelling. I was quoting verbatim, at that point.
rumel> Totally different reaction from CRUNKYEAH.
Jack> RE: the worlds "slip", yes I noticed it and liked it so left it in, as a welcome gift from my subconscious.
orion> Night night :)
Jack> Take care, mariachi, and thanks again for checking today!
Jack> Night night orion. Thank YOU TOO for your great contributions to this chat as well. All of this work you guys are doing is here for others to benefit from. VERY cool!
mariachi> No worries, my pleasure :)
Jack> Bob's yer uncle, mariachi!
rumel> Good night all, again
Jack> Sweet Dreams, rumel, and to all of the rest of you as well!
Jack> Last call for any questions or comments!
mariachi> Good night
Jack> ***** END Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger Discussion and Training Chat of 20090329 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA™
Jack> Warm Welcome to Newbie: livefree! I've left a message for you. To read it just click on your name anywhere in the forum where you name is also a link. Enjoy!
Jack> Warm Welcome to Newbie: cashengine, and Warm Greetings to Radius and canuck75!
Jack> Welcome Newbie Ocean!
canuck75> hi Jack
canuck75> Just wanted to let you know I sent you an email
canuck75> Have a great night
Jack> Thanks canuck75. Got it. I appreciate your clarification. In effect, it seemed like that at the time you were indeed by yourself.
Jack> Hi roderik!
Jack> I hope you're doing very well.
Jack> Roderik, I hope you'll click on your name where it appears as a link in this forum - e.g. at the bottom of the ChatBox or at the Currently Active Users line near the bottom of the Forum home page.
Jack> Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie: sleeper! I look forward to seeing your posts!
Session stop: Fri Apr 3 01:53:47 2009