Session start: Sat Mar 21 23:26:17 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090320
Radius> Hi Laly! Thank you for replying to my question thread.
Laly> you are very welcome Radius :)
Laly> how's it going for you so far?
Laly> Jack should be in shortly :).
Radius> I had to take a break in practicing the protocol for about a week due to work-related issues that needed my full attention, but I've started again now!
Radius> Jack has coached me in pronouncing the KS correcty, and so I've been very eager to try my new 'skills' out.
Radius> ...and being too eager isn't good of course... I haven't experienced any Echo Effects for a while.
Radius> How are you Laly? Have you had more amazing sessions lately?
Laly> i am great
Laly> like i described in my post to you no
Radius> good!
Laly> but I do have awesome spontaneous bursts of energy
Radius> oh, I'm sorry to hear that.
Laly> which leave me smiling, weeping and so
Radius> OK!
Laly> it is okay radius...am not sad about that
Laly> it doesnt take much for me -- to orgasm anymore.
Radius> I see
Laly> Hi Magnificent Mog!!
Laly> once a person becomes "re-wired" to the key sound method
Laly> she/he will find it becomes easier to bring forth the energy
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Laly> FOR ME...it truly never leaves...but simmering just below the surface
Laly> HIII jack -- hugs n smiles
Jack> Hello!
Jack> Thanks!
Radius> That sounds nice Laly. Hi Jack and mog!
Jack> Hi Radius, Welcome to the Chat!
Radius> thank you!
Laly> If the world ever ran on orgasmic energy-- we'd NEVER have to worry about energy crisis.
Laly> :o
Jack> No kidding!
Laly> <is blushing 6 shades of red.
Radius> hehe
Jack> Hello mog! I know you're not much for typing in chat, but a very warm hello nonetheless!
Jack> Radius, I have a question for you if I may?
Radius> please, go ahead!
Jack> Yes thanks, when you practice, do you include the single touch or caress of an erotically responsive area as part of that practice?
Jack> That is, just before you use the Key Sound™?
rumel> Hi Jack, mog, radius & of course our GG Laly
Radius> Yes I do. I usually concentrate on my genitals.
Laly> (Hi rumel-- man get me laughing n blushing at the GG )
Radius> (Hi Rumel!)
Jack> Ok, thanks. When you do the touch, do is it feel good to you?
Jack> Not earth shattering or anything, just pleasurable?
Radius> It's funny that you should bring this up because I have a quesion about this too! Yes, it feels very good! But no, not earth-shattering...
Jack> Do you use the Key Sound™ right after the touch?
Radius> I used to - but now I do it after the ensuing charging breath instead.
Jack> Rather than...?
Radius> rather than doing the Key Sound™ right after the actual caress.
Jack> Were the Echo Effects stronger or weaker when you did the KS right after the actual caress?
Radius> They were stronger before - when I did it right after the caress. I haven't felt much now that I do it after the charging breath...
Radius> this could be because now I try to acheive the charging breath by using slightly more stimulation each time...
Jack> Aha... messin' with the Protocol! lol ;)
Jack> You're pushing the river, chasing the fawn.
Jack> You're trying to make something happen.
Radius> guilty... :o:o
Jack> The point of the charging breath to which I'm referring is that it's subtle and it is automatic. As soon as you add conscious intent to it, it is no longer automatic.
Jack> :D
Radius> ok, but does it have to be there? I've been confused about this lately...
Jack> Does what have to be where?
Radius> Does it have occur there before I do the Key Sound™?
Jack> :)
Jack> Don't worry about it's being there...
Radius> Ok, good! Sorry for the syntax error...
Jack> When you touch yourself or a partner in a way that feels good the response of the touch recipient will automatically be there.
Jack> So you can just go ahead and use the Key Sound™.
Radius> So just to clarify: It could go Caress - Key Sound™. It doesn't have to be like this: Caress - Charging breath - Key Sound™ ?
Jack> That's probably why you were getting more noticeable Echo Effects™ before you started trying to make the in breath larger or whatever.
Laly> i agree.
Laly> yes.
Jack> The goal is to hitchhike on the automatic breath.
Jack> As soon as you introduce any conscious into the mix it's no longer automatic!
Radius> That makes sense.
Jack> Great! This is VERY important to understand.
Radius> ok, thanks - that answered my question.
Laly> Cool.
Radius> Just one more thing on this subject:
Jack> And I'm very glad you brought this up, because I think a LOT of people tend to make this error in early practice... They just don't believe that it CAN happen without their consciously trying to boost it a bit. Oh ye of little faith! :D
Radius> Is it OK to get aroused while doing the protocol? Getting arroused seems counter productive to staying relaxed...
Radius> hahaha
Laly> As long as you aren't "amping" the arousal
Jack> The inhale that accompanies any erotic touch is from your autonomic response system, and it is THAT system that we're hitch hiking on by using the Key Sound™ at that moment.
rumel> Radius, I don't think arousal and relaxation are mutually exclusive.
Jack> What do you mean by aroused? Do you mean turned on or do you mean you develop an erection as part of that arousal? (Either is fine, by the way...)
Radius> Rumel, yes, you're right! I just realized that!
Radius> I meant getting turned on and getting an errection.
Jack> I agree with Rumel. In fact, learning how to CONTINUE to relax as arousal increases is the SECRET TO SUCCESS!
Radius> Ok, perfect!
Radius> Thank you everyone!
Laly> :) .
Jack> Erection is ok if it's spontaneous - spontaneous that is automatic response is the KEY.
Radius> So I'll continue with just one KS for now, without trying to attain anything.
Jack> But if you are stimulating to try to maintain an erection (during the 20 minute practice sessions), then you are shifting from autonomic responses to intentional ones and that is when the autonomically-based Echo Effects™ are likely to subside.
Radius> I mean - with just one caress.
Jack> Radius, please continue with: a single touch or caress of an erotically pleasurable area, followed immediately but without fretting or hurrying with a gentle, unforced Key Sound™, then two to four relaxing breaths, and repeat. Sound familiar? :D
Laly> smiles as she is weeping .
Radius> I really look forward to continuing the practice! I am very pleased with your answers and I would like to pass the talking stick to someone else.
Jack> Didn't you say that that was when you were noticing Echo Effects™?
Radius> It does sound very familiar!
Radius> Exactly!
Jack> ;)
Jack> VERY good work, Radius! Many will benefit from this little discussion. Thank you for mentioning this VERY important issue!
Radius> but then when I learned about the charging breath I got concious about it and I started concentrating on htat too much, even though I was on the right path before...
Laly> Rumel , would you like the TS next??
Radius> I'm glad you say so!
Jack> Also keep in mind how your Echo Effects™ - that is by their presence or absence - HAVE been guiding you:
rumel> Laly said "If the world ever ran on orgasmic energy-- we'd NEVER have to worry about energy crisis." Actually I think the world does run on orgasmic energy, it's just not currently well focused. As we learn to focus on it our lives change in incremental (fractal?) ways.
rumel> I do have a question.
Jack> When you were not second-guessing the automatic inbreaths, you were getting Echo Effects™, when you decided to consciously alter that pattern, the Echo Effects™ dissipated, letting you know you were drifting off the Protocol a bit.
Radius> Exactly!
Radius> I will read all this again now!
Laly> (chuckles-i "meant" that as like a fuel source Rumel re: orgasmic energy)
Jack> Great! VERY good work, Radius... Thank you!
Laly> car running on L O V E :D
Jack> Ok, yes rumel, you may now have the Talking Stick.
Jack> What is your question?
rumel> Laly - Yeah Hi octane L O V E !
rumel> I have noticed that my charging breath immediately following the single caress is often deeper, fuller than the other interim breaths, partially in anticipation of making the KS, is this usual? Is it something I need to refrain from doing?
Jack> What is it exactly that you are considering refraining from? Not quite clear to me.
rumel> It is as if my sub-conscious is telling me this breath needs to have more significance than the interim breaths, I'm not convinced this is "conscious" effort on my part, but should I focus on maintaining the same breathing pattern?
Jack> Let your subconscious lead, rumel. That is my intuition.
Jack> That's how I discovered this in the first place.
Laly> LOL...i was typing same thing Jack .
Jack> The key concept rumel is to ALLOW rather than to consciously direct the practice.
Jack> [cool, Laly!]
Jack> Single touch or caress, Key Sound™, two to four relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> Simple.
rumel> OK, that's the way I was leaning in my thinking too, I have been getting better at letting the "should" conditioning leave my thought processes.
Laly> if i may offer something jack??
Jack> Remember, IF you make the Key Sound™ just after the touch or caress, you WILL be doing so on the exhale of that automatic INhale in response to the touch.
rumel> Yes I know that.
Jack> That is EXCELLENT, rumel that you are noticing that that should is beginning to dissipate. How exciting! :)
Jack> Yes, Laly, please make your offering. :)
Laly> I love the fact that these questions ARE being asked
Laly> and will help others who come to KSMO in later dates-- who may have same situation arise
Laly> relaxing and letting things happen of their own accord does seem to allow the progression of echo effects (tm) to appear or even increase
Laly> as time goes on.
rumel> The whole "could have", "should have" and "would have" thought processes are ultimately energy wasters. I am what I am. I am right where I need to be. Things are what they are but they are never what they appear to be. :)
Jack> VERY well said imho, Laly!
Laly> yes-- i love the one phase jack used many years ago-- "Disengage the brain" :)
Jack> Rumel, what you said could go up on the wall as a reminder. GREAT summary!
Laly> and just feel.
rumel> "and just feel" - words fail with that statement Laly
rumel> that expresses the unexpressable.
Radius> (where did Jack and Laly go? I hope they come back...)
Jack> Rumel, if you search our Forum on the phrase words fail you'll come up with a fair number of hits going waaaay back. That's a koan I've quoted pretty much from the beginning! :)
rumel> Yes Jack that is why I used it!
rumel> Hi January, if you wish to have the "talking stick" you may.
Jack> RE: why you used it... Aha! LOL. :D
Jack> Welcome, January!
Laly> am here
Laly> Hello January :) ,
Laly> (was doing some GG duties -- messing with MP3 player for my mom )
Laly> remember what I shared with you earlier Radius re: echos
Jack> Who would like the Talking Stick? i.e., Who has a question or something they'd like to share?
Radius> What does GG stand for? :)
Laly> i do Jack
Laly> (blushing) Geek Goddess ...
Jack> You have the TS, GG!
Laly> so "lovingly" given to me by Rumel.
rumel> Laly - I recently purchased "Reiki Gold" by artist Llewellyn, I think you would like it.
Radius> Laly, yes, I remember - the echos that come when you might not be able to handle them? Geek Godess - Aha! I couldn't have figured that one out by myself...
Radius> :D
Laly> cool rumel...
Laly> well that came out of a technology talk between rumel jack and I a few weeks ago.
Radius> i see
Laly> k--in regards to spontaneous echos
rumel> Laly, I did intend the designation GG in a warm friendly way, not mockingly!
Laly> ( oh i know that rumel...i was honored by it-- i knew it wasnt "mocking")
Laly> sorry guys-- give me minute-- have been experienceing them past 20 minutes-- so making it hard to type conherently
Radius> You're orgasming as we chat? No problem.
Laly> i guess my question is-- on "off" days-- or any day really
Laly> nooo -- not orgasming -- not yet
Laly> experiencing echos-- hot n cold flushes
Radius> ok
Laly> riplling energy from feet to head in waves.
Laly> once opened up to the KS--is it ok to do a KS session when these occur?
Laly> only when safe to do so-- i.e alone or in private
Jack> (Well I ask that you don't intentionally amp them as this is a public setting.)
Laly> i don't mean Right now Jack
Jack> k. :)
Laly> i have a very firm handle on them for now.
Jack> Thanks for clarifying.
Laly> i just meant being an energy sensitive- like I am now.
rumel> Jack - I'm sure you've heard the term "contact high", I think we can handle it here. :)
Laly> i know the protocol says every "other" day.
Laly> no he's right rumel-- not appropriate
Jack> Yeah, otherwise it can get pretty confusing for newbies reading this.
Laly> yeah-- i am asking from a newbie POV jack
rumel> OK, OK, OK, I understand, my apologies.
Laly> (point of view)
Jack> I missed the question part. What is the question?
Laly> I figured :) -- what do I ( or any newbie) do on those days inbetween
Laly> when the echos appear or get stronger?
Laly> the temptation may be to do a KS session right there n then.
Jack> If in public, dial'em back. Do not cultivate them, as there is no informed mutual consent with the others present.
Laly> okay-- and if not in public-- i.e. alone.
Jack> If you're in a semi-public setting like a tantra retreat or something where everyone agrees that raising this kind of energy is part of their covenant and it's all adults then party on, otherwise I think it's a no-no.
Jack> If the Echoes are spontaneous and you want to enjoy them, get some privacy and have at it. :)
Laly> thanks...i will here shortly.
Jack> What a lot of people don't realize is that if you're running this energy, people around you WILL feel it. That may or may not be comfortable or acceptable to them if they knew what was going on. It may be confusing even.
Laly> yes.
Jack> I noticed that somebody did a post that I haven't had a chance to reply to yet, where they were intentionally practicing at the office.
Laly> WOW!!!..
Jack> If they have a private office that's one thing, if they're around other people, then it's not cool, as there is no informed MUTUAL consent.
Laly> I must have missed that one...
Laly> k-- i really "must" go
Radius> bye Laly!
Laly> I'll be back in later chat to let ya all know how it was
Laly> :D.
Jack> k, Laly, will talk with you later. Thanks for being here!
rumel> Bye Laly - ENJOY !
Jack> Ok, who else has a question or something they'd like to share?
Jack> Anyone?
Radius> I just want to say that I did get to the point where I was whymping with pleasure from the echo effects once...
Radius> So I'm hooked!
Jack> Cool! Would you be ok with telling us a bit about that instance?
rumel> "whymping" interesting typo, hmmmm?
Radius> Sure - it was about a week or two into the practice. It was more intense than some of my regular masturbation sessions lately.
Radius> Re: whymping - I was unsure about the spelling and the connotations of that word... :D But it felt like the right word to use...
Radius> (English is my second language)
Radius> What I meant was uttering small moans...
Radius> Anyway It was great!
rumel> I asked because I think on one level you meant "whimpering" but the word you fabricated contained "why" at the very beginning.
Radius> Yes - I understand! Whimpering is the word I was searching for - Thanks!
Radius> :D
Radius> I didn't want it to end of course - ut I stopped after the 25 minute mark...
Jack> RE: regular masturbation, how often are you practicing that form, these days?
Jack> 25 minutes, not bad!!! :D
rumel> Yeah, 25 minutes of moaning in pleasure sounds pretty wonderful to me!
Jack> Radius if you're getting spontaneous Echo Effects™ that you're enjoying, you certainly are not obligated to make them stop after 25 minutes! The 20 minute practice is a guideline for awakening those very responses.
Radius> I get so docile and weak when I ejaculate, so I try not to do that so much. I've limited my 'regular' sessions to once or twice a week, which gets me pretty desperate... One way I deal with that is that I masturbate without ejaculating sometimes many times a day while doing the Big Draw (sucking energy up into my head). - That usually calms me down...
Radius> Re: 20 minutes - Ok thanks for letting me know!
Jack> Also if you're feeling pent up energy and pressure to use conventional masturbation - that is, with lots of stimulation, instead you can do a KS practice session and all of that pent up energy let it flow into the Key Sounds™! You may need to LIGHTLY rest a pillow over your mouth to muffle the loudness that will occur.
Radius> (I meant that I stopped practicing the protocol after 25 minutes, the wimpering didn't start right when the session started)
Jack> When you're feeling that kind of pent up energy, that's actually a great opportunity to do a Key Sound practice session!
Radius> OK! But what if I did a protocol session the day before? Then can I still use the KS while masturbating? I thought we dis't want to conect the two...
Jack> You in effect "ejaculate" energy and sound through the Key Sounds™ and that can take you ever higher, i.e. with greater intensity.
Radius> (didn't want)
Jack> Well I don't encourage a pattern of KS practice every day as an ongoing practice, but if you are feeling pent up energy and pressure to masturbate, INSTEAD of using lots of stimulation that is typical of traditional masturbation, do a Key Sound practice session instead and practice "ejaculating" pure energy through the SOUNDS. You're spontaneous whimpering is the beginning, the leading edge, of those kinds of spontaneous expressions of pleasure.
Jack> It's nice when you can give yourself a private opportunity to express those sounds fully.
Jack> In effect you are ejaculating pure sound energy, rather than semen!
Radius> Ok, I'll use the key sound while masturbating now and then - but far from all the time.
Radius> I'll use them instead of the Bid Draw.
Jack> When you learn how to do this, that is one major way to open yourself to the more fully intense and cosmic orgasmic rushes that are available to you through the Key Sound™ practice.
Radius> Wow - I've learned so much today!
Jack> Ok re: use of Key Sound™ during conventional masturbation, but please note my suggestion is that when you
Jack> feel the urge for conventional masturbation, i.e., lots of stimulation leading to ejaculation, INSTEAD of that high stimulation, channel that pent up urge to masturbate into SOUND... i.e the Key Sound™ plus any spontaneous whimpers or roars that may occur as a result of the higher arousal.
Jack> When you learn to do this, you will experience multi-orgasmic intensity that FAR exceeds what you experience in conventional high stimulation masturbation.
Jack> RE: learned so much today - VERY COOL! That's why it really pays to show up for these chats! ;)
Radius> Yes! The chats are great!
Radius> Rumel are you still there?
Jack> I'm glad you're feeling the benefits! :) Chats are great only because people show up for them! :D :D
Radius> Yes, but I guess we're the only two left now... Shall we call it anight?
Radius> I'm very content.
Radius> contented...
Jack> Sure that's fine! BTW, where are you typing from?
Jack> content and contented are both accurate in English. :D
Radius> I'm in France right now, but my origin is Scandinavian.
Jack> Ah ok. Thanks for your details. All right, I think for now we can wrap it up. You're doing GREAT with your practice, Radius! You're posting, showing up here, asking lots of questions - that is ALL GOOD! I look forward to reading your next reports. :)
rumel> OK I'm back I was off reading some stuff.
Jack> We were just wrapping up rumel, unless you have something you'd like to ask or discuss.
Radius> Thanks for the encouragement! I look forward to talking ot you again!
Jack> Likewise!
Jack> Have a great week!
rumel> Radius, these chats are indeed very helpful, I'm glad you were here today too.
Radius> You too! Bye Jack and Rumel!
Jack> Bye for now!
Radius> Rumel, thank you! Let's talk soon again!
Jack> Rumel, do you have any questions or comments you'd like to share before we wrap up this session?
Jack> I am at your service.
rumel> My question was answered today Jack, thanks, 'bye for now
Jack> Ok, great! Bye for now, and thanks, as always for being here and for contributing so authentically. You are very welcome!
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