Session start: Sat Mar 14 23:12:19 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090313
Laly> Hi everyone
Laly> Welcome to the forum Think :)
Laly> Hi Lopez
Lopez> hello
Laly> :)
Laly> how are you doing?
Lopez> doing well.. brilliant Sunday day here in Sydney
Lopez> how are you?
Laly> been better...but working though it
Lopez> good :)
Laly> thanks...i feel like when i first started KSMO oh so many years ago
Laly> the fear of what's to come..the unknowns
Laly> the worries that I'll mess things up somehow
Laly> welcome Insight
Laly> been asked , since I have computer know-how, to teach classes at work
Laly> the mere thought of speaking in front of group of people-- terror feelings,
Laly> hi ya buster
Buster> Hi Laly.
Laly> so I haven't been able to practice KSMO like i had hoped in doing.
Laly> although I DID have a GREAT time wednesday night -- thanks for the link Buster
Buster> Cool Laly! You participated. Great! My session was great as well. It is funny how it can get to another level when you push it out instead of in......if that makes sense.
Laly> yeah it does :)
Laly> I wish i could put into words what my session was like-- connecting to that much energy :D
Buster> I agree. There were times when I really "got" that I was part of something greater than what was happening at my house.
Laly> to lose oneself in the bliss- not feel anything-- just BE pleasure pure n simple
Radius> Hi everyone. Will the chat take place here, or do I click somewhere else?
Laly> nope it's here Radius
Laly> welcome
Radius> ok, perfect!
Laly> anyone have questions-or care to start ?
Radius> thank you! It's good to be here.
Laly> Jack will be here in a few minutes...
Laly> or maybe introduce ourselves??
Laly> but only if feel comfortable in doing so :)
Laly> HI my name is Laly, 38, female, USA, KSMO adept of 4 years
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Laly> Hola Jack :)
Jack> Hola Todos!
Jack> Thanks for being here tonight! Please remember
Jack> that I will be hosting another chat this weekend as shown on the Chat Countdown Clock above. :)
Laly> (hi ya rumel)
Buster> Hi Jack.
Buster> I Rumel, nice to see you!
rumel> Hello, I'm Rumel, 61, in CA,USA. practicing for 7 months
Jack> How about we continue as Laly began, by saying a little bit about yourself, your experience with this practice plus any others that have meaning for you. And also a brief description of what you'd like to share or ask or both.
rumel> Hi Laly, Jack, Buster, Lopez, Insight, Radius
Buster> I am Buster. I am 48 and have been practicing for almost 2 years. I had a kick ass session this morning and have nothing to ask.
Laly> *grins
Jack> Congratulations Buster! Happy Re-Birth Day!
Buster> Oh, and Lopez, I loved Sydney!
Buster> Thanks Jack. It was fun and intriguing.
Radius> Hi Laly, Buster, Lopez, rumel and Insight. I'm Radius - a 27 year old male who is about three weeks into practicing the protocol. I live in the Alps. I'd like to talk about "resonance" and some other things. I'm very excited about all this!
Buster> Hi Radius.
Radius> And hi Jack!
Laly> Cool Radius...
Lopez> Lopez - 25 year old male. Have been practising on and off over the last 12 months. I will be a pleasant spectator today.
Radius> So have all of you attained "multiorgasmicity"?
Laly> oo- i LOVE that word Radius :D
Radius> hehe
Jack> Have any of you? ;)
rumel> Radius - I haven't gotten there yet using this protocol, but I am inching toward it.
Laly> *blushing-- for 3 1/2+ years for me Radius
Radius> OK Rumel, I'm the same.
Jack> Rumel, what are the clues that let you know you're inching forward?
Radius> Congratulations Laly!
Laly> (thanks Radius)
rumel> Jack, I get a stronger response when I articulate the KS correctly that it resonates more fully in my chest.
rumel> I just have to get to be more consistent with the articulation so that it occurs naturally every time.
Jack> To whatever extent you may be comfortable, would you care to describe some of what you mean by stronger response?
Jack> Well rumel, I think the secret is to let go of the desire of needing the response to occur every time.
Jack> Perhaps, anyway! ;)
rumel> The responses I have gotten lately are mild PC contractions with an asociated pleasure flavor to them, as the KS has been better, they are a bit stronger.
Jack> How are you feeling about this?
rumel> I want more of them.
rumel> I want them to be stronger yet.
rumel> I want it to all happen very naturally.
rumel> It is incremental progress in that direction.
Jack> Might it be ok with you if those stronger sensations don't develop in a directly linear ascending intensity, but rather in a more serpentine fluctuation of increasing intensity as you move through various levels of further relaxation?
Jack> Either way, that is?
rumel> Sure that's OK too, I experience those phases with Aneros use as well.
Buster> Serpentine fluctuation! I like that image.
rumel> There is often a cyclic nature to the emergence of P-waves.
Jack> Rumel, yes re: aneros... that makes some sense, doesn't it?
Jack> LOL Thanks Buster, re: Serpentine Kudo... :D
Jack> Hey how about we hear from the noobs a bit and help them out?
rumel> The biggest difference between these two practices is one maintains low level tension for effect and one requires totally relaxing all muscle tension.
Radius> Oh thanks! While we're on this subject - How do you define resonance? Is it the same as the vibrations that we want as far down as possible, or does it have more to do with the key sound kind of lingering for a while?
Jack> I'd say generally... whichever leads to the appearance of the spontaneous pleasurable Echo Effects™ - the thrills in the best sense of that jolly old word.
Radius> I see
Radius> Sometimes at the end of doing a key sound - as I'm running out of air - it feels as though I'm expelling air in a spasmic manner. Have you heard about this before?
Jack> Intuitively, I'm less comfortable or optimistic about artificially making sounds linger, at least initially, because it can slip into trying to MAKE the Echo Effects happen.
Radius> That's what I mean when I say the sound lingers...
Radius> Ok
Jack> If the spontaneous sounds that may occur as part of the Echo Effects responses are strong, there will be plenty of energy to sustain them.
Jack> That said, I seem to be somewhat biased away from artificially extending exhales to the point of straining.
Radius> I see. Yes in my case these lingering spasmic air-expelling sensations are spontateous.
Jack> What do the rest of you think? What's your experience? Your intuition?
Jack> Ah OK, Radius! How do they feel to you?
Jack> Of course, ALWAYS feel free to pass on answering ANY question asked of you here... That said,
Laly> (for link to what Echo Effects might mean/be -- http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/Echo_effects)
rumel> I have tried the extended exhale and it doesn't feel right to me.
Jack> do they feel pleasurable, or ???
Jack> For the most part, that's my experience as well, rumel.
Radius> They feel as though I loose control. They are totally separate from the other echo effects (TM) that I have experienced so far - but yes, they do feel pleasurable!
rumel> No they just feel like I am working to accomplish something for no end.
Jack> That said, when the spontenous orgasmic roars occur, they may be of considerable intensity (and one must remember to slow down and breath and relax vocal chords).
Jack> What do you mean by: working to accomplish something for no end.
rumel> I think I just ried it to see if there would be any added echo effects, but I found no increased effect for me.
Jack> Over the course of how many sessions?
rumel> Thus it was an exercise without benefit (to no end).
Radius> over the course of practicing every other day for about three weeks
rumel> I only did this in one session, and have not pursued that tactic.
Jack> I see... Thanks for clarifying, rumel. :)
Jack> Radius, of what is it you feel that you are losing control?
Radius> I feel I am loosing controll of my breathing
Radius> It's kind of like "hhhhaaaaa-aaaaaa-a-a-a-a-a"
Jack> In what way? Like, hyperventilating?
Radius> the last a's being the spasmic part of the sound.
Jack> Do you mean like your breath is being squeezed out of you, or ???
Radius> no, not like hyperventilating at all, but yes, the breath is being squeezed out of me - exactly!
Radius> It occurs sometimes, and I just wanted to know if it was a sign of progress I guess.
Laly> (K, hate to interrupt-i must bid all a good nite)
Jack> Ah yes I'm familiar with that feeling! I noticed it in the very early stages of my discovery of this phenomenon and how to evoke it.
Jack> Laly, THANK YOU for being here tonight!
Radius> AHA! I take that as a sign of progress then.
Laly> yw - as always jack :D .
Radius> Good night Laly.
Jack> What does your own honest intuition tell you? Your Inner Guides?
Laly> Grazie n good nite Radius .
Radius> My intuition tells me this just show me that there is something very powerful about this sound and the practice.
Radius> It's like I'm tapping into something big.
Jack> That's exactly the message I got when it started happening to me in my early days of experimenting with this.
Radius> oh really? interesting!
Jack> Yes I get that tapping into intuition as well. Sometimes I've seen it as an EXTREMELY intense bright yellow white light column.
Radius> wow!
Jack> BTW I'm wondering if Insight is in the chat or would like to be. Are you here, Insight?
Jack> Radius - yeah! It's like one of those really intense blaster rays in Star Trek films, LOL.
Jack> Sometimes, that is...
Jack> The intense bursts of energy may trigger a very wide variety of imageries. Visions if you care to call them so.
Radius> How long do you think it will take me before I can use all this and have multiples during real sex? Apart from the breath-squeeze-spasms I have felt very pleasurable but tiny echo-orgasms.
Jack> Well let's go thru the pre-flight checklist, ok?
Radius> ok :):)
Jack> Have you listened to the whole audio CD?
Radius> yes - check (I have listened to two of them many times)
Jack> k, good!
Jack> Have you posted a sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Free Private Validation Area of the Forum?
Radius> No. I have felt that my key sound has been slightly different every time that I have uttered it so I have intentionally awaited for it to stabilize within me... I'll post you a sample ASAP!
Jack> Attaboy!
Radius> I think it's stable (consistent) now.
Radius> Perfect! thank you so much for your time and advice!
Jack> It's really ESSENTIAL to have the Key Sound properly articulated... At least within a certain range, it seems.
Radius> And thank you for this whole thing! It's opening doors within me for sure!
Jack> You are most welcome! I look forward to your posts!
Jack> Radius, that is really GREAT to hear!!!
Jack> Ok!!! Who would like The Talking Stick?
Radius> Good, I'll post you that key sound within the next couple of days! I've taken up a lot of time here - anyone else who has questions for Jack?
Jack> Is that it, are we complete for this evening?
Jack> I want to thank each of you for being here this evening, and for your contribution of authentically sharing part of your quest for greater understanding and enjoyment in this life.
Radius> I'm very content for now. Thank you once again and good night! I'll be back!
Jack> There will be another chat beginning in about 13 hours 47 minutes from the time I send this line.
Radius> bye everyone!
Jack> You are QUITE welcome Radius! It's wonderful to have you here. Have a great week!
Jack> Buster and Rumel, are you still here?
Jack> Do either of you have anything else you'd like to share or ask?
rumel> I am still here
Jack> Yes, is there anything else you'd like to share, or ask, rumel?
rumel> I'm sorry if I spoke out of turn earlier I thought you were asking me one of those questions.
Jack> Anything that feels like I may not have given you a complete answer to your questions?
Jack> That is quite all right, rumel. I didn't think you'd spoken out of turn. :)
rumel> I'm OK fo now, perhaps I'll catch tomorrows chat.
Jack> Ok, that'd be great. You may have a dream... :D
Jack> Buster, how about you?
Buster> Sorry Jack, I was getting the coffee pot ready for morning.
Jack> Still here? Anything else you'd like to ask or share?
Buster> I am good.
Jack> Yeah, that's what I need to do, too, Buster. Since I'll be back here at 1700 GMT.
Buster> I will try and check in tomorrow as well.
Buster> I will bid y'all a good night then.
Jack> Ok, Well I hope you all have wonderful weekend and week following. Perhaps I'll see some of you at the next chat this weekend, at 1700 GMT (to tune in to those other time zones!).
rumel> Good night Buster, Good night Jack.
Jack> That's great, Buster. Thanks! Take care!
Jack> Good night rumel, good night All...
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Laly> hi Crunk
Laly> I just sent you an email vbmtor .
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Laly> Hi mog n lakl :)
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Laly> HI Jack.
Jack> Hi Laly... Hello mog and lakl!
Jack> Hello again, rumel!
Laly> hi rumel (hugs)
rumel> Hi Laly, Jack, mog, lakl
rumel> Hug returned Laly!
Laly> :D . thanks
Jack> Who would like to go first today, with a comment or question?
Laly> if no one else has 1...i might.
Jack> You have the Talking Stick, Mlle Laly!
Laly> First of all, sorry i couldnt stick around last nite to ask this- but 16 hours awake was pushing my limits.
Laly> I know you said take it a step at a time re; my re-starting KSMO from the beginning Jack
Laly> but each time I 'want to practice', I find myself hesitant to do so
Laly> the old fear returns
Laly> THAT is NOT an easy thing to admit -- here n now *cries
Jack> fear of what, Laly?
Laly> going back to that single physical caress
Laly> now that I have been through SO many multiple orgasms already
Laly> i have developed a heightened sensory expereince
Laly> (lack of better word to describe it)
Laly> a energy sensitive...
Laly> my "concern" is over-stimulation, a concern I guess for most newbies to the practice.
Laly> pushing too far to the "brink".
Jack> over stimulation or over arousal?
Laly> too much phsyical stimulation...which can lead to over arousal- for me
Laly> the PONR.
Jack> What do you mean by over arousal?
Jack> How do you know when you're over-aroused?
Laly> over arousal--for me, when everything becomes almost painful..too much
Laly> a sensory overload-- smells, sight, touch,
Laly> my entire body is screaming
Jack> What does the Protocol suggest in such a situation?
Laly> pause n breathe
Jack> How's that been working for you?
Laly> it takes a while to get re-centered
Laly> to let the energy subside .
Laly> that is i stop completely at that point.
Jack> By stop completely, do you mean you end the session?
Laly> yes-because at that point it's too "easy" for me to go right back to the overload.
Laly> all chakras totally open to receive energy.
Jack> How do you end the session? Do you get up and do other stuff, or do you just rest and relax for a while, or ??? What seems to be working best for you?
Laly> depending on the lateness of hour-- I get up and walk around, watch movie-or if late
rumel> What about just pausing to see how the energy disipates like ripples from the pebble in the pond, before tossing the next pebble.
Laly> I grab PJ (my teddy bear- YES i do own a bear) curl up in bed and fall asleep.
Laly> rumel-because by the time that first pebble is "tossed" , sometimes 1-2 hours pass
Laly> before I can truly "feel" the energy dissipate
rumel> Is time that important?
Laly> if 7 or 8 pm at nite- yes
Laly> and i have to work next day.
rumel> What is time's importance to you?
Laly> i have *coughs - well documented sessions which last at least 5-6 hours
Laly> time isn't really- it is the sleep quality that is factor
Laly> the KSMO energy never really leaves me-- it is there, just enough humming I can feel it
Laly> even now-
Laly> if I 'allow it" to blossom on its own-within mere minutes
Laly> be having MOs
Laly> the thought that came to mind -- is that I have a "reign or leash" on it
Laly> and i KNOW jack would pounce on that in a heartbeat :D
Laly> is NO controlling involved in ANY stop of the practice.
Laly> oops= step , not stop
Laly> (subconscious slip there lol)
Jack> Seems like a phrase worth considering: There is NO controlling involved in ANY stop of the practice.
rumel> Is it possible to schedule a session where ther are no time constraints, where you don't feel the need to 'stop' yourself?
Laly> yeah Jack...
Jack> What might your subconscious be communicating to you with that statement?
Jack> [All good questions imho, btw, rumel!]
Laly> I could rumel-- if I skipped a nite or two exercising
Laly> i was thinking that same think re: subconcious jack.
Jack> Kinda like save the really hot dates for nights when you know you don't have to work the next day. :)
Laly> under alot of stress at work
Laly> yes jack.
Jack> Laly I hope you honor how directly your subconscious speaks such loving truth to you!
rumel> I am getting the feeling that you the power of the tigress within you but are reluctant to let yourself feel that power exercised.
rumel> ...that you feel the...
Laly> undertaking a new job task that I am not really liking-because it is an old fear/furball popping up for me
Laly> exactly rumel...right at this time frame though
Laly> never have been a good public speaker-- but been asked to teach computer classes at work.
Jack> Wow CONGRATULATIONS!
Laly> so i feel pressure--both from myself
Laly> very scary jack, very--
Laly> a personal growth potential= but there is the mind noise playing
Laly> "what if... i screw up", what if...
Laly> BLAH-- wont go there k :)
Laly> shuu furballs-- shoo
Jack> Yeah one of my mentors, the late Dr. Robert Goulding, liked to say that that kind of fear is excitement I haven't yet given myself permission to enjoy.
Laly> i did have a great KS session wed night --pure bliss
Jack> That's great!
Jack> There's a line from an old r & b tune that says: "Friday's MY day!"
Laly> felt msyelf cushioned on a "bed" of energy- floating above my bed
Laly> couldnt feel body at all
Jack> Looks like maybe for you one verse of the song can be: "Wednesday's" MY Day!"... At least SOME Wednesdays and of course you get to have MORE THAN ONE DAY A WEEK if you want!
Laly> just one central mass of energy- if that makes sense
Jack> That sounds like a very sweet session!
Jack> ...The floating on a bed of energy!
Laly> if i could have spoke- I would have said "momma, I am HOME!!" lol
Laly> that's what it felt like-- just being lifted and held by the energy.
Laly> not an out of body experience- but an IN body experience.
Jack> Lovely!!!
Laly> :o
Laly> k anyone else want to share something, comment on anything or have question.
Laly> i'll try n make time for me-- to do KS more
Jack> Great work Laly, thanks very much for sharing what's going on with you. It sounds like to a great degree your challenge is how to deal with this continuing newly discovered energy and pleasure... how to integrate that experience into your life.
Jack> Who else would like to share an experience or ask a question?
Laly> (yes Jack)
Jack> Welcome Robert!
Laly> (welcome Robert)
Jack> Is there anyone here who has another comment or question? Robert? lakl? multiples? rumel?
Jack> Are we finished, for today's chat?
Laly> maybe- all others off in forum Jack :).
Jack> Well I guess then without further ado I'll bid you each adieu! :D
Laly> aloha Jack.
Jack> And thank you for being here today. Please keep in mind that the best way to learn this lifelong skill is to continue to ask for the help you need. That is the purpose of this Forum, its Blogs, and ChatBox area. I hope you each have a wonderful week!
Laly> still that "other" thing need to work on.
Laly> you too jack.
Jack> Thanks!
Laly> bye everyone {hugs}
Jack> Keep workin' that other thing, Laly. Keep us posted, as you will.
Jack> {Hugs} to all who want them! :D
Laly> k :D
Jack> ***** END to the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat #2 of 20090315 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Laly> *purrs- kitties always luvs hugs :)
Jack> Radius I've posted my reply to your latest post in the Key Sound Validation Review Area. Please check it out!
Radius> Jack, Yes thanks for that! I was travelling and couldn't reply properly - but I've posted a reply now!
Jack> Radius: Yes! Now you have it! Ok now for the Protocol: The concept is that you will AUTOMATICALLY inhale (what I call an autonomic charging breath) at the moment you do the sensual caress...
Jack> So you don't have to consciously do an inhale... When you touch yourself in a pleasurable way, the inhale happens automatically. Therefore, right after you do the touch or caress and pause, go ahead and do a gentle unforced unhurried Key Sound™ just as you have demonstrated in this last .mp3 sample you posted.
Jack> Then two to four easy, relaxing breaths, and repeat, for about 20 minutes, no more that every other day. That's really all there is to it! ;)
Jack> Welcome back gosnaligo! Please be SURE to post an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™ to the Private Validation Area so you'll get the kind of detailed feedback I gave Radius just before this post.
Jack> Hello Grandmaster OMG MOG!
Session stop: Wed Mar 18 23:07:18 2009