Session start: Sun Feb 22 00:07:09 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090221
CRUNKYEAH> hello everyone :)
Laly> hi crunk!!
Laly> read your post-- but didnt have time to reply yet
CRUNKYEAH> how goes it Laly? =]
CRUNKYEAH> it's all good
Laly> good here thanks for asking.
CRUNKYEAH> i may have to eat dinner soon
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Forum of 20090222 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
CRUNKYEAH> so i'll prolly poke back in later
Jack> Hey everyone!
CRUNKYEAH> hello Jack :)
Laly> ok crunk...enjoy.
Jack> If Crunkyeah has a time limitation, how about we let him go first?
magnagei> hi jack
Jack> Crunk, do you have time to ask me or us a question or share a little before you gotta go?
Laly> ok by me.
Jack> Hi magnagei, it's great to see you here again! :)
rumel> OK
CRUNKYEAH> Actually i do but I think I can wait until I get back
CRUNKYEAH> I shouldn't be too long
Jack> Good Evening Ms. Laly!
Jack> Welcome back, rumel!
CRUNKYEAH> go ahead and start without me, i'll be back in a bit
Laly> hi jack.. hello rumel.
Jack> Ok, enjoy your meal, Crunk, take your time, and we'll see you B 4 2 long.
Laly> hi mag.
magnagei> hi all
magnagei> i tried to get into chat earlier but didn
magnagei> 'tsee the typing space
rumel> Hi Laly (G.G.), neptune56,CRUNKEAH,magnagei and of course Jack
Jack> Yeah it's because the Forum upgrade goofed up the rights of about 52 users! Put them back into Awaiting Email Confirmation status. I saw you there, and changed your rights back to where they belong!
Laly> (blushes @ G.G.)
magnagei> oh cool, thanks
Jack> If there is anyone who is trying to get access to the Chats or who doesn't see the white, one-line chatbox entry box just above this chat window, please email me right away. Be sure to include your username! And I'll get the rights fixed.
Jack> Okayyyy does anybody else have a time crunch?
magnagei> none here
Jack> Ok, who'd like the Talking Stick?
Laly> i do-- sort of
magnagei> if no one is time constraint i have a couple question
Laly> but if anyone wants it first- go ahead
magnagei> some lag here, beat me to it laly
Laly> go ahead mag :)
Jack> You have the Talking Stick, Mag.
rumel> I would like to hear what L.L. has to say.
rumel> OK mag can go first by me.
Jack> BTW, for the benefit of the subsequent readers as well as the people here tonight, would you pls share any or all of the following: your age, where generally you are typing from, how long practicing KSMO, etc.
magnagei> it's lagging for me
magnagei> ok so well i haven't practice much, but i happened to today and i did it in a chair reclined position instead of laying down, it seemed to be much better, easier maybe
magnagei> ah i am 24, new jersey, and i've known about ksmo for like 6 years now but i just can't force myself to a regular practice regimen
magnagei> but anyways what i wondering is why this is the case, or should i just take it as the positive it is and do it that way from now on?
Jack> Good! Please do NOT force yourself to do ANY aspect of this practice!
Jack> Why what is the case? Your use of the chair reclined?
Jack> Or?
magnagei> right, i mean i want to but whenever i do it, i get no nice feelings and i give up, you see i have a very short attention span
magnagei> well i'm wondering why it was so much more enjoyable in the reclined chair position than lying down
magnagei> i'm wonder maybe natural pressure on my perineum or maybe relaxed breathing
Jack> It can certainly be any or all of those reasons... It can be as simple as being in a chair enables you to relax your entire body more completely than lying down does. Quite a few people report that. You can search our Forum for the word chair and you'll see! :)
Jack> The pressure on the perineum seems also like a possibility. It's very cool that you thought of that!
magnagei> pretty neat though, i'll try it that way a couple of times
magnagei> but i don't want to take up too much time on this so i'll ask my main question
magnagei> as i said i have a short attention span and i tend to want to do this on a whim so i'm wondering how detrimental it would be to do maybe 10 minute practices sessions every day
magnagei> or something similar versus 20 minute sessions every other day
Jack> Yes, by all means! Let your body's Echo Effects responses guide you. It's really great you did that when you felt like using the chair and look at the great feedback you got from your erotic self! :)
Jack> BTW it seems that you have not yet posted a sample .mp3 of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Forum's PRIVATE and FREE Key Sound™ Validation area.
Jack> So I definitely recommend that you do so. That particular area of the Forum
magnagei> hmm ok maybe i'll try to do that, i don't have a microphone on this computer but on my laptop
magnagei> so it's not a hard rule to take a day off, it is OK to practice every day?
Jack> is configured so that each person can only access or read THEIR posts and hear their samples there... Just they and I.
magnagei> because i've heard that taking a day off is super important
magnagei> ahh ok neat
Jack> No, I do not recommend that you practice every day. It may be why progress has been slow.
Jack> When all else fails, or maybe even before that, follow the Protocol! :D
magnagei> well i haven't been practicing every day, i practice maybe 2 times a week for only 2 or 3 minutes
magnagei> i get too bored too anxious
Jack> At least initially, and that also means giving me a chance to review your Key Sound articulation. The Key Sound is a pivotal and non-trivial component of the Protocol. :)
Laly> that day off -- it allows your body a chance to adjust and open up to the KS more.
Jack> I agree with Laly on that!
rumel> I think there are positive effects to be derived from a little structured mental discipline, 20 mins. every other day doesn't seem too much to ask for, IMHO.
Jack> Tell us a little more about this anxiety, if you're comfortable doing so... What is the anxiety about?
magnagei> ok, so assuming i can only give my attention for 5 minutes, is it better to do 5 minutes every other day or 5 every day? is 5 minutes of practice even enough to rewire?
magnagei> well i guess boredness is a better word, i just get anxious looking for pleasurable feelings and get bored
Laly> rumel...there are some people who had ADHD or ADD -- where 20 min may be too much for them all at once.
magnagei> yea i have that
Jack> I agree rumel, although it's not just for the sake of discipline. I tuned the Protocol in that way because so many people were reporting that breakthroughs tend to happen MOST OFTEN either AFTER a practice session, or on the days off, when you're not consciously expecting anything.
Jack> Still, every other day, is my recommendation.
magnagei> so 5 minutes every other day then? alright i'll give that a try
magnagei> or 20 if i can
Jack> Ok, if you're looking for the feelings, holding anxious expectations, that is probably what is chasing the fawn away as we say - that is, the anxiety, plus the concerns about getting it right, etc. are likely what are holding you back.
Jack> Don't do 20 if it feels like you're forcing it, or if it's just all anxiety, etc.
magnagei> yea, ok sounds good, i'll practice as long as it's fun
Jack> So much about nearly everyone's sexual history has been about forcing, in one or more ways. For success in this method, it's essential to relax and not force yourself in any way.
Jack> Yeah, you may not be getting big Echo
magnagei> ok thanks for the clarification if i could ask one more question then i'll pass the stick
Jack> Effects, but as long as you're feeling relaxed, peaceful, and maybe even just a tiny bit turned on (although that's not necessary), then just stay open to whatever may happen spontaneously.
magnagei> just wondering how detrimental it is to ejaculate and then practie ksmo, or practice than ejaculate as i have a complusion to usually ejac every day
Jack> Ok... meanwhile, please be sure to post that Key Sound sample so I can make sure you're on track with that, OK?
magnagei> yea i was feeling peaceful when practicing in the char today was nice
magnagei> ok
Jack> See? Peaceful yields Echo Effects! And good feelings! That's your system's feedback!
magnagei> alright, i can dig it
Jack> RE: compulsion to ejaculate, that's likely to dissipate as you move closer to getting on the Protocol.
magnagei> that wil be huge for me
Laly> it did for me Mag...
Jack> Very Good Work, Magnagei! Thanks very much for sharing so candidly! That's a very big step!
Jack> Yeah Laly, maybe at some point you can post some reference links to earlier posts / chats of yours where you describe that process. Likewise for anyone else who has initially had that challenge, and trance-ended it over the course of their practice.
magnagei> sorry what statement are you responding to laly
Laly> LOL jack that's be LOTTA links from me ;).
Jack> Question - answering is of course optional, as is always the case, magnagei: after you practiced in the chair, did you feel the compulsion to ejaculate just as strongly as you had previous to learning KSMO?
Laly> the compulstion for manual orgasms--female ejaculation.
Jack> Laly, a small bouquet of them will probably be just fine Laly. Remember the Good Old Share Check Share model of communication... ;)
magnagei> ahh ok thanks
magnagei> well before i would practice for a little while feel a little turned on but tense at the same time then i would want to ejaculate more
magnagei> today i felt more peaceful and turned on and wanted to ejaculate less
Jack> On the other hand, you've definitely earned seriously grand bragging rights in your trance-ending those issues! :)
Jack> Magnagei, I hope you find that pattern encouraging!
Jack> As you relaxed more, you felt MORE pleasure and LESS pressure to ejaculate!
Laly> (yeah jack...was just teasing ok :)
magnagei> laly are you saying that you had a very very strong complusion to manual orgasm before KSMO?
Laly> would not overwhelm anyone)
magnagei> well yea, i don't know what about this position helped me relax so much but i think it a good thing that i figured it out
Jack> To magnagei, the encouraging pattern I was referring to is the pattern of getting into a position that felt GOOD to you, then relaxing, taking it easy, and lo and behold: more pleasure, and LESS pressure to ejaculate!
Laly> mag-- yes-- as much as 8 -10 times a nite before i could sleep.
Jack> [ no worries Laly re: teasing... so was I! :D ]
magnagei> wow that makes me want to learn KSMO eve more, seems like alot of benefits to transmuting sexual energy
Jack> Yeah magnagei, you don't need to figure any of this out rationally yet! Let the signals your body and emotions are sending you be your primary Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ guru! :-)
magnagei> i've been taking up alot of time so i'm ready to pass stick
magnagei> YEA guru
Laly> *begins to cry
Jack> That's very gracious of you... That said, please know this: You have as much right to this time as anyone else! It's very important to take the time you need - just like in KSMO practice itself! :)
Jack> [ Welcome back, Buster! ]
Buster> Hi.
magnagei> sorry just want to add thanks a bunch for the advice
Jack> OK! Again, VERY good work, Magnagei!
rumel> Hi Buster, Is the driveway clear now? :)
Jack> No "sorry" is necessary, dear Friend!
Jack> < was to magnagei. :)
Jack> OK, who would next like the Talking Stick? Would that be you, Ms. Laly? You mentioned a time concern.
Buster> It is still snowing Rumel. I wish I could send some your way.
rumel> I second Jack's motion that "sorry" is not necessary.
Jack> Cool, thanks rumel!
Laly> yes Jack.
Jack> You have it!
artform> Hi everyone!
Laly> *wipes tears away..thanks
Buster> Hi Mr. A
rumel> Hi artform & pepperlibido
Laly> hi artform
Jack> Hey artform, Welcome!
Jack> I believe that currently, Ms. Laly has the Talking Stick. Artform, I hope you'll read the preceding text of tonight's chat with magnagei as well. It'd be great to have your input about it, in the second round of Talking Stick.
Laly> I guess I am at a place (once again) when I want to practice KSMO again- start it again.
artform> Will do. Thanks.
Jack> Very Warm Welcome to Newbie, pepperlibido! What a great username! :)
Jack> Wow Laly, Congratulations re: wanting to start active practice again!
Laly> but part of me is concerned as well
Jack> re: concerned - of course! That's quite understandable... Remember to go VERY slowly - take it real easy and check in with yourself a lot. No forcing, Young Lady! :)
rumel> I hope the "What a Wonderful World" video was a little nudge in that direction.
Laly> yeah jack i know...
Laly> but you remember how much trouble I had trying to do stim- first time around :(
Jack> I know you know, Laly... Just as you prolly knew that I would prolly remind you anyway! :D
Laly> still very much an issue today as it was back then.
Laly> yeah i did jack.
Jack> RE: stimulation... Yes I do remember that issue, Laly... I think it's cool that you're ready to explore a little more... Just take breaks whenever you need to. I would be disinclined to recommend that you begin right away with 20 min 3 times a week.
Laly> yeah...well look at success I achieved without it :D -- and less than a month was experiencing MOs
Laly> already.
Laly> (mo- multiple orgasms)
Jack> Exactly!
Jack> Is there more you'd like to share right now, or anything you'd like to ask?
Jack> Asking can also include a request to just give you a few minutes to relax and calm yourself a little more as you continue to share this issue with us. That of course is fine too.
Laly> other than i've yet to share KSMO story with my counselor
Laly> k-- background info for those who may not (yet) know
Laly> 38, female, KSMO adept 3 1/2 years, sexual abuse and date rape survivor.
Laly> suffered for many years-- flashbacks of the rape.
CRUNKYEAH> hey all, this session still going?
Laly> session??
CRUNKYEAH> it would appear so :D
CRUNKYEAH> chat session?
Jack> Yep! Laly has the talking stick. Go ahead and scroll back and read, to get up to speed, if you like. :)
Laly> yeah still crunk-- wb
Laly> i buried these memories best i could...until I started talking with someone
Laly> (soft laugh) who would share that he'd just had the most wonderous session.
Laly> n after 5-6 months of talking--and my sharing with him my life's story
Laly> intrigued me with thoughts of a "pleasurable" orgasm.
Laly> Ordered Jack's seminar--first n then second one.
Laly> wanting to experience a loving side to orgasm- rather than the anger and resenttment I'd been feeling.
Laly> honestly== to that point had a VERY unhealthy attitude towards sex.
Laly> I can say that KSMO has saved my life-- literally.
Laly> Am very proud of the woman I am today.
Laly> the battlefield I walked through to get here- to find my true self.
rumel> Yeah Laly!
Jack> Way to Claim Your Victories, Laly! Very Well Said imho e.g. re: being very proud of the woman you are today!
Laly> thanks, am shaking like a leaf right now.
rumel> I think you are quaking the earth with your power.
Laly> :).
Jack> Yeah, and upgrading your Emotional ROM! :)
artform> Your strength through all you have endured and overcome Laly is an inspiration.
Laly> yes
CRUNKYEAH> I second that artform :)
Laly> thanks artform...
Laly> thanks guys
CRUNKYEAH> Anytime Laly :D
artform> Hugs!:)
Laly> aww gonna cry again now
CRUNKYEAH> tears of bliss I hope?
Laly> k- am good :)
Laly> yeah crunk
CRUNKYEAH> Well that's good :)
Laly> k-- time for me to go to bed- been up for 17 hours today
CRUNKYEAH> I have a question if you don't mind sharing the talking stick?
CRUNKYEAH> oh jeeze, sounds like you should rest well, good night Laly
Laly> i journaled my journey quite well in forum
rumel> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rooyt3ptNco
Laly> ask away crunk
CRUNKYEAH> Well, on the days OFF practice..what are common echo effects?
CRUNKYEAH> I may be noticing some, but I'm not entirely sure.
Laly> it varys on the person crunk
Laly> tingling anywhere on the body
Laly> warm or coldness feelings
rumel> Laly - Thumper will be dancing in your dreams tonight. :)
Laly> an "itch" feeling
CRUNKYEAH> Frequent muscle spasms?
Laly> LOL rumel....
Laly> if muscles are not tensed-- yes possible
CRUNKYEAH> hmm, well if the muscles are tense?
CRUNKYEAH> I have been noticing certain body parts feel deprived of oxygen during parts of the day.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel some of my energy centers may not be letting energy through.
Laly> then you arent as relaxed as should be crunk
CRUNKYEAH> My body has been aching recently. HOWEVER when I begin calming myself and relaxing I don't feel as tense.
Laly> tension or even maybe holding breath
Jack> Crunk, I have a suggestion you might like to explore.
CRUNKYEAH> What do you mean?
Laly> good.. that should be a signal for you re: calming and relaxing.
CRUNKYEAH> I'm all ears Jack.
Jack> Laly, may I interrupt your sharing for a moment, to pass this info to Crunkyeah and any others interested?
Laly> sure...
Jack> Thanks!
Jack> First I agree with Laly re: her comments to you re: the tension. That said,
Jack> when you notice some area of your body tensing like, you might explore gently directing a Key Sound into that area, with the intention of healing and relaxing whatever tension may be there. One of my best teachers, the late Robert M. Goulding MD, often said that anxiety is excitement I haven't yet given myself permission to feel.
Jack> Now of course sometimes anxiety may have some other source, e.g. if you're actually being threatened or something. But I do think there's a grain or more of truth in what Bob Goulding was teaching.
CRUNKYEAH> I will try that and post my results Jack
Jack> So whe you're feeling some anxiety in some part of your body, AND you have the privacy, I recommend you explore using the Key Sound as a Healing Sound Laser directed at any area of tension, just to find out what you might learn from doing so.
Jack> That's great, Crunk... I look forward to reading the posted results! :)
Jack> Thanks Laly! I pass the Talking Stick back to you.
CRUNKYEAH> I haven't really thought of the key sound being used for healing, but it does make me curious.
CRUNKYEAH> I'll let ya know how it goes.
Jack> Good!
Laly> :) I will and do testify to that point crunk re:healing.
CRUNKYEAH> I have something else to share if I may Laly?
Laly> sure....
CRUNKYEAH> That's good news to me then :D
CRUNKYEAH> I understand ksmo is also a journey of self exploration as it is multiple orgasms
Laly> yes.
rumel> Yes
CRUNKYEAH> For the past few days I have been noticing my body doing different things, I feel happier, more intuitive, etc during the day.
CRUNKYEAH> Where if I don't focus on my body I don't notice these subtle changes
Jack> It turns out to be primarily a process of personal growth and self-discovery, as well as for a partner, when one is in your life. The multiple orgasms are an expression of that process. That's not to say that you must adopt some new spiritual belief system in order to enjoy these multiples,
CRUNKYEAH> If I think about how I feel after just waking up I notice how much energy I have, and how good I feel to just 'be'
Laly> great feeling to have huh crunk :)
CRUNKYEAH> I understand Jack, I have always believed the human body was more amazing than I gave it credit for.
Jack> it just means that the practice has often resulted in people's reporting spiritual shifts and awakening as part of their process of self-discovery.
Jack> That's really great, Crunk, re: how good you feel just to be. Very cool!
CRUNKYEAH> Thanks Jack :D
CRUNKYEAH> Another random question: Has anyone had any experience with acupuncture?
Laly> no
CRUNKYEAH> An old Chinese method involving needles to open up energy meridians.
Jack> Well before we get into that, how about letting Laly finish her sharing? I believe she has the Talking Stick or as we Americans also say: I believe she still has the floor. :)
Laly> <has fear of needles and drs
CRUNKYEAH> Oh ok that's good too, the floor is yours Laly :)
Laly> is ok jack-- i am done-- both talking and being awake
Jack> [ fyi Laly, there is also acupressure, which does not involve needles.
CRUNKYEAH> I feel you there Laly, moreso for the doctors than needles though.
Laly> must really head to bed ....even tigers need their sleep ;).
Jack> Ok Laly, just wanted to make sure. Thank you for sharing your powerful story once again.
Jack> LOL, yeah re: sleepy tigers.
Laly> I know jack-- but am finding great comfort in Reiki massage method.
CRUNKYEAH> Good night Laly, rest well :D
Buster> I am out too everyone. Have a great night.
Laly> nite all - love n light n joy n .. lol ... ALL
Laly> :D.
Jack> OK, we have about an hour left - or I do, anyway... Of course this ChatBox is open 24/7 for your use... Meanwhile, in the remaining hour, who would like the Talking Stick? I believe one vote is probably from Crunkyeah... Is there anyone else in addition, so we'll know how to allocate the time, approximately?
Jack> Sweet Dreams Laly!
rumel> Good Night Tigress Laly
CRUNKYEAH> good night Buster
Laly> thanks
Jack> Ok Buster, thanks for checking back in for this weekend's Chat Number Two as well!
CRUNKYEAH> No complaints with that Jack ;)
rumel> Night Buster.
Jack> Ok, who else in addition to Crunk would like a little air time tonight?
Jack> Thanks re: no complaints, Crunkyeah!
Jack> pepperlibido? artform? rumel?
CRUNKYEAH> Feel free to take the floor anyone
rumel> Hey, Crunky, you're on a roll keep it goin'
Jack> If p, a, or r don't want the Talking Stick, then it's all yours, Crunkyeah, and you may proceed. :)
Jack> Yeah Crunky, what rumel said! :D
CRUNKYEAH> Alrighty don't mind if I do :p
rumel> Bon Soir, Epicurien
CRUNKYEAH> I have a question about moving ones' energy
Jack> lol.
Jack> Oh Hi Epicurien... Crunkyeah is just now taking up the Talking Stick, but you are quite welcome to it afterwards. :)
CRUNKYEAH> During my last session my skin felt tingly on the surface
CRUNKYEAH> Deeper down I felt warm and light
Epicurien> Good night everyone!
CRUNKYEAH> But this was only exclusive to my chest and stomach, and the tops of my thighs
CRUNKYEAH> How would I go about moving the energy to my whole body?
Epicurien> Heheh won't stay for long though, just wanted to drop by and say hello... it's getting late here :)
CRUNKYEAH> Hello Epi :) nice to see you here
Epicurien> Thanks! Same to you Crunkyeah
Jack> [ OK, Epicurean, thanks for all you brought to our discussions this weekend. Have a lovely week! ]
artform> Hi again; had to be away for some minutes...
Jack> Does anyone care to respond to Crunkyeah's question, within the KSMO frame of reference?
rumel> WB - A
CRUNKYEAH> wb artform
CRUNKYEAH> How about YOUR opinion Jack? ;)
artform> In catching up, I have experienced accupressure and use it on myself regularly.
CRUNKYEAH> open to any one else's though of course :)
rumel> I am not qualified to address Crunkyeah's query.
CRUNKYEAH> Do you find the results beneficial to ksmo and relaxing artform?
Epicurien> Thank you Jack! Thanks for sharing your knowledge with me!
Jack> You are QUITE welcome, Epi!
artform> Re: energy movement, yes KS can be a wonderful technique for "encouraging" and "opening to specific energy movement.
Jack> No worries Crunkyeah, I'll respond in a few moments.
Epicurien> Ok I'm off! Good night all! See ya!
Jack> I'd like to hear what else artform may have to say, as well as anyone else who might care to offer their experience and point of view.
CRUNKYEAH> So I should use the KS to amplify the energy and spread it throughout my body?
rumel> G'nite Epi
CRUNKYEAH> Good night Epi, take care ;)
artform> I have compound layers of injuries scar-tissues and deep hot baths and accupressure point work as well as self-applied pointed massage at spastic muscle connection points is a daily practice for me.
CRUNKYEAH> How interesting artform, does that help you relax more when you have a session?
Jack> Actually Crunkyeah, I think your greater challenge may be to relax from trying to consciously steer the process of awakening, and just lie, or sit back, relax, and see where your Erotic Body Wisdom wants to take you!
artform> Usually I use the Key Sound at times in the hot bath and can shift energy as part of the deep relaxation and pain mitigation work.
CRUNKYEAH> So you want me to try to stop using my mind to relax and use my body instead?
Jack> If you are noticing tension in a given area, then direct relaxing breath there, and from time to time, a gentle Key Sound directed with intention into that area, followed by the relaxing breathing.
Jack> I wouldn't have a clue how you could stop using your mind! :D
CRUNKYEAH> Haha good point it's constantly working :rolleyes:
Jack> BUT, I DO invite you to learn how to hop over to the Passenger's Seat and let your subconscious Erotic Body Wisdom energize the areas of your body and spirit in the sequence and manner which it knows to be optimum for you. Your task is to sit over there in the Passenger Seat and enjoy the ride!
artform> When I get really relaxed and the spastic muscles, I sometimes do an actual KS session, BECAUSE I have achieved the deep complete relaxation.
Jack> And to of course do so by using that gentle Key Sound right after you pass the sensual caress.
Jack> < my last comment was to Crunk. :)
Jack> Very good point, artform!
CRUNKYEAH> I have a question about the caress.
CRUNKYEAH> That makes perfect sense artform
rumel> I like Jack's Passnger Seat metaphor, to let the ego consciousness take a secondary position.
artform> In it I use the caress and I find I accumulate significant energies for later or next day, when those spontaneous lovelies appear and...
Jack> Crunk, we're nudging our encouragement of you to learn how to trust your MultiOrgasmic AutoPilot more... you do the little touch, the Key Sound, and the relaxing breaths, and your Awakening Erotic Body Wisdom will do the rest.
Jack> [ Thanks Rumel! ]
CRUNKYEAH> and let the Inner Self take the lead? =]
CRUNKYEAH> alright I think I'm understanding the grasp of it
Jack> Very Cool, Crunkyeah! It actually takes a lot of pressure OFF of your conscious mind!
CRUNKYEAH> Should the caress be made on only the hot spots or does it matter where they are?
Jack> Your conscious mind can just tune in and enjoy what you ARE feeling and WHERE, and can WONDER what part of you will erotically awaken next, and what form it will take.
artform> Agree Jack and rumel. When I talk about KS directing it is not "this is what I want" but rather; can I relax or "get out of the way" to enable some possibility to be a probability, if it will.
Jack> Your conscious mind's main job in all of this is simply keeping track of where you are in the 3 step Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, and to notice, appreciate, enjoy, and be thankful for the Echo Effects™ responses your deeper Erotic Self sends to your awareness. :)
Jack> Well spake, artform!
CRUNKYEAH> That's an interesting way to look at it Jack. I just need to focus on what I am feeling and where, and let my body show me the signs?
Jack> [my comments re: conscious mind, etc. were to Crunk]
Jack> THAT IS IT PRECISELY Crunkyeah!
artform> And because my intuition and my ego have negotiated a productive balanced relationship years ago, it is remarkable how often it works!
artform> Right on Crunkyeah!
CRUNKYEAH> sweet :D
Jack> Yeah! Sweet, and EASY!
Jack> Once you release trying to control the process consciously, except for doing the 3 step KSMO Protocol.
CRUNKYEAH> I am eager to have another session, but I think I may wait until the morning when my energy is at it's highest
artform> I have a profound trust in the wisdom of my undirected intuition arising from whole-being bodymind...
CRUNKYEAH> then your body will open up the channels to multiorgasmic enjoyment and healing powers?
artform> and everyone can do that too.
Jack> Crun
CRUNKYEAH> yes Jack?
Jack> Crunkyeah, re: your question about your body opening up the channels, etc. Just stay tuned... you'll find out.
CRUNKYEAH> that's very promising artform :), and Jack don't worry I'll be staying tuned
Jack> One thing that men especially are enculturated to do is to think a challenge all the way through consciously, in detail.
Jack> Except that's not usually how this method works - just the opposite!
Jack> In fact one of the components of my discovering this Protocol and the Key Sound™ was to explore doing the OPPOSITE of what most people do.
Jack> That included LETTING GO of trying to think my way all the way through an experience before I actually go ahead and let myself have the experience.
CRUNKYEAH> That's very intuitive Jack
Jack> I am inviting, even encouraging, you to let go of that pattern in your exploration of this practice.
Jack> Note that initially there may some anxiety as you do this!
CRUNKYEAH> I feel like I may need to 'let go' and see where my body wants to take me
Jack> Just remember what Dr. Bob Goulding taught: anxiety is often excitement (and there, I include erotic excitement, aka arousal) that I haven't yet allowed myself to feel!
CRUNKYEAH> I'll try to remember that Jack
Jack> Yeah Crunk! Let Go and Discover where your body wants to take you. Your subconscious all the way down
Jack> to your visceral intelligence has the map... Let them drive and you enjoy the ride! :)
artform> and as Jack says, this is the easy way. For my particular circumstances, KS has worked to pick up the several threads of explorations past in healing and in multi-orgasmic explorations in Tao, Tantra and more recently Aneros, and integrated and simplified our access to these energies. Deep relaxation and clearing of the mind to see what KS can evoke or liberate is the real Key!
CRUNKYEAH> I think this session has really helped me understand, thanks a lot Jack and artform :D
artform> Previous and continuing work with lucid dreaming and easy access to hypnagogia has been and is also part of this particular picture. All the best Crunk!
CRUNKYEAH> What do you mean by easy access to hypnagogia artform?
Jack> You are VERY welcome, Crunkyeah! Thank YOU for bringing your authentic, heartfelt and sincere questions and comments - that's how we really get into the deep essentials of understanding how this simple 3 step protocol works!
CRUNKYEAH> There will be plenty more of that I'm sure Jack :D I'm glad to be here
Jack> :-) re: plenty more, and glad to be here.
CRUNKYEAH> I do have another question for you Jack, if you don't mind.
CRUNKYEAH> I don't exactly have a microphone to record my KS for validation.
CRUNKYEAH> Is there any other way I could demonstrate it for you to validate?
artform> As with Laly's previous posts, the easiest way might to do a search of the word here on this site where there are threads and chats where we have discussed it. Hypnagogia is a state of liminal (inbetween, border spaces) to subconsciousness where there is very active abstract, surreal and highly varied exploratory imaging and dreamstates.
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CRUNKYEAH> I'll have to look into that artform, it sounds nice to be in a state like that.
Jack> Send me an email with Crunkyeah KS review in the Subject line, please. We'll take it from there.
rumel> Hypnagogia is a fun state to be in!
Jack> < was re: no microphone.
CRUNKYEAH> Will do, Jack
CRUNKYEAH> Do you think you could explain it more for me Rumel?
artform> Ahoy rumel!
rumel> You probably experience it every day when you are dopping off to sleep and when you wake every morning.
artform> THE book on the topic is Hypnagogia by Andreas Mavromatis.
rumel> It is the neverworld between dreams and alertness.
CRUNKYEAH> Hmm, oh really now?
CRUNKYEAH> What if I don't remember the dreams I have most nights?
artform> What I am referring to is not dream reading or interpretation.
rumel> Or it could also be called the "everworld" because time has no meaning or significance there.
Jack> RE: No dream memory, and direct experience rather than interpretation... Then you'll need to take Jack Johnston's Shamanic Dream Workshop!
rumel> It is not dreaming and it is not full consciousness either.
CRUNKYEAH> haha, sounds good to me Jack where do i sign up? :D
CRUNKYEAH> do it's a blended mix of the two?
Jack> For clarification, hypnogogic typically refers to the intermediate zone between wake and sleep that occurs as you are falling asleep, and hypnopompic refers to the analogous experience upon awakening.
CRUNKYEAH> Oh I see.
Jack> My mnemonic for it is I remember that hypnopompic occurs as you awaken by associating awakening from a dream as a form of graduation, so there is "Pomp and Circumstance" (American song played at graduations and other big events).
rumel> Thanks for the clarification Jack, I didn't know the waking term was different.
artform> This state is a key place where the intuition and Jack's visceral wisdom and the like commune. When you learn to access Hyp fully and how to make referrals there, it is a wellspring of creativity and problem solving using synaethesia. Deep relaxation and intuition tuning can take you there somewhat like the KS.
Jack> RE: Dream workshops - stay tuned. I'll be bringing them back into my active practice some time THIS year, I hope. I developed a pretty cool, non-interpretive, shamanic tradition - based method of working with dreams
Jack> that also includes linguistic magic modeled by the late Milton H. Erickson MD.
artform> Looking forward to it Jack!
Jack> [ y/w rumel re: waking term being different ]
CRUNKYEAH> How interesting
CRUNKYEAH> Me too artform!
Jack> Thanks artform!
Jack> And thanks Crunkyeah!
rumel> Yes I want to attend that workshop as well.
artform> Hyp is always there if you can get there, even though our everyday incidental experience of it is in getting to sleep and while waking.
Jack> Well boyz, we're coming up on the top of the hour - time for me to get some rest pretty soon. Are there any other questions you have for me, or comments, before I excuse myself from our conversation for this evening?
rumel> I try to get to that state to start my KS session, but I have to hold back just a bit to exercise the protocol correctly.
CRUNKYEAH> Is hyp similar to 'day dreaming'?
Jack> Duly noted, rumel!
Jack> < re: your interest in the dream workshops.
rumel> I do have a question but I think it will have to wait untill the next chat.
artform> I get to sleep every night by mentally walking down stone stairs into the earth and into hypnagogia and then * to sleep leaving everything needing processing with Hyp for the night! :D
CRUNKYEAH> Too tired rumel?
CRUNKYEAH> Sounds great artform!
Jack> I can give you a brief answer now, rumel if you'll ask the question. Then we can follow up later.
rumel> C - No I'm not too tired.
rumel> OK
CRUNKYEAH> Oh, well let out then ;)
rumel> It has to do with dealing with the echo effects and my proper attitude with the occurrences.
Jack> What is the specific question please?
rumel> How should they be thought of?
rumel> I don't want to consciously suppress them.
Jack> As your Guides. Your Primary KSMO Gurus. Your Primary Teachers in this practice. THEY know what you need in order to open to this energy, better than anybody does, including better than your conscious mind.
Jack> That's the Working Hypothesis that has worked for me to discover this in the first place.
Jack> It's also worked for many others over the years. Odds are that it may work for you as well! ;) :D
CRUNKYEAH> I think I'm going to go lay down and see if I can't fall into the 'hyp' before going to dreamland haha
CRUNKYEAH> it's been great to talk to all of you here
CRUNKYEAH> And also great to be a part of the magic, good night all :)
rumel> I currently acknowledge them and tell myself where there is another echo effect isn't that interesting?
Jack> When Echo Effects occur, they are telling you that vis a vis this practice, you are on Protocol, that you're doing something correctly - at least correctly enough, and correctly enough is a great place to start! :)
artform> In the deep relaxation therapy tub sessions and in reveries during the day I can go to Hyp at will again deeply relaxed. Goodnight Crunk! Great to have met you tonight. Great chat!
Jack> Yeah, right on, rumel! Then just ask them (the Echo Effects): What are you teaching me? What is it that I'm doing (or NOT doing!) that is working for you?
Jack> Good night everyone! Yes it's been REALLY fine - BOTH chats this weekend!
rumel> Well, I gues I'll stay with the protocol and continue with this fascinating unveiling of myself, to myself. :)
Jack> You guys are free to continue, of course. I'm gonna do the official closing notice now.
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rumel> Good Night Jack, CRUNKYEAH, artform
artform> All the best Jack! I've been away with no ISP for almost all of January, so it is great to be able to be with you all here again! Thanks all!:D
Jack> Glad to hear it, rumel, re: sticking with the practice. Yeah man, allow yourself to go a little deeper, to develop a more intimate relationship with your Guides and Allies: The Echo Effects™!
artform> Goodnight rumel my friend!:D
Jack> It is WONDERFUL to have you back in channel, artform! Please give my very best wishes to Mrs. A as well!
Jack> Good night, one and all, I'm out the door! (for now...) ;)
artform> And to you and your wonderful partner Jack!
Jack> Thanks very much, artform!
Hermit1> anyone still here
Laly> HI guys
CRUNKYEAH> Hi laly :)
Radius> Hi everyone, I'm new here!
CRUNKYEAH> Hello radius, welcome to the forums :)
Laly> hi Marvelous Mog n Helixbill
mog> Hi Laly! Apologies for missing you. I have a question for you sometime. I want to know how to attach an html link to a piece of text in a posted message.
Session stop: Sat Feb 28 16:19:32 2009

I'm sure the answer to my question can be found somewhere in the various posts, but I'm not sure how to send a recording of my KS for Jack to review. I've been lurking on the edges of the MMO conversation for ten or more years, but I admit I get easily lost in trying to navigate the "new" OrgasmWiki format (I'm as much a frustrated computer newbie as I am a MMO newbie, so I haven't even been able to join in at the announced chats. I can't even figure out how to set my correct timezone--ie, Eastern Daylight Zone, Cleveland Ohio). Should I go to Radio Shack and buy a microphone for my Lenova laptop computer in order to record my KS?