Session start: Sun Feb 15 00:51:07 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090214
Laly> Hi Lelo85.
Laly> Welcome to the KSMO family Tao :-).
Laly> hi multiples :-).
Tao> Hi Laly, Thanks!
CRUNKYEAH> welcome tao :D
CRUNKYEAH> welcome neptune :)
CRUNKYEAH> and multiples :)
CRUNKYEAH> if anyone cares to look, I've posted another blog that I wouldn't mind feedback on
zeitgeist> I just replied Crunkyeah :)
zeitgeist> And Hi to the guests perusing the forum today!
Jack> Hey billy11 and neptune56 - WARM WELCOME, NEWBIES! - Please be SURE to come to the chats I'll be hosting this weekend. AND after a week of practicing the Key Sound, please be sure to post a sample of your KS to the FREE Validation area!
Jack> And CRUNKYEAH, I hope YOU TOO will come to the chats this weekend. I'd really love to chat with you directly, and for you to be able to chat directly with some of the others in our community as well!
Jack> Hi Smithie and Epicurien... How are you today? I hope you'll come to at least one of the chats I'm hosting this weekend, so I and others of experience may answer your questions, and find out how you're doing with practice.
Jack> Hello again, neptune56!
Jack> Have fun clicking forward your amygdala! Sounds weird, but it really works! I can just THINK ABOUT clicking forward and I get a zing!
Jack> [ Sorry about all of the exclamation points... maybe it's too much coffee... or was it that last KSMO session??? :D ]
Jack> BTW be sure to use our Google Site Search and search on the keyword amygdala if you haven't already... There are a number of threads in our Forum on this fascinating topic, and its relationship with KSMO practice.
CRUNKYEAH> hey billy up for some chatting?
CRUNKYEAH> i just left a post on your thread btw
billy11> hey
billy11> I'm actually working now so never know when I'll have to jet
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Epicurien> Good day!
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Jack> Hello Epicurean, and welcome!
Laly> HI Epi
zeitgeist> Hi Jack and Epicuren!
Laly> Hi Zeit (HUGS)
zeitgeist> and Laly!
zeitgeist> huggs too!
Laly> (can't stay long-- am at work n on lunch hour)
Jack> Warm Greetings and Hugs to Laly and Zeitgeist as well!
Laly> aww thanks :)
Jack> Hey we'd better toss Laly the Talking Stick right away! Laly thanks for letting us know, right off, that you're on a tight time window for this chat.
Laly> oh no jack-- let someone else go ahead-- i'll be in later chat tonite
Jack> No worries! Who'd like the Talking Stick?
Laly> just here to share the love :)
Jack> AttaGirl!
Jack> Who has a question or would like to share?
zeitgeist> Nice! :cool:
Laly> *big beeming smile
Jack> I'm happy to answer any questions you may have about practice, to the best of my ability.
zeitgeist> do you want to go next Epicurien?
Epicurien> sorry
Epicurien> i was on the phone
zeitgeist> Vous voulez?
Epicurien> ok so...where should I start
Epicurien> been practicing for more than a month now
Epicurien> hahahah oui je veux :P
Laly> the beginning of course :)
Epicurien> Ok...
Epicurien> so basically, my knowledge of MMOs started with the Aneros, I didn't know that this was possible before roaming on the Aneros forum
Epicurien> and the most experienced guys kept referencing to KSMO protocol
Epicurien> so I bought the intro seminary and started the whole thing
Epicurien> so far, I'm getting impressive results
Epicurien> sensations are incredible
Jack> That's great! Pray, continue!
Epicurien> sometimes, when I'm really aroused, it feels like there's a pack of energy around my PC muscle/prostate
Jack> What are you experiencing and where in your body? You of course are always welcome to NOT answer any question asked of you here. :)
Epicurien> and I've understood recently that I need to get it to explode and diffuse throughout my whole body with the use of the KS
Epicurien> heheh i don't mind at all
Laly> need to??
Jack> Laly I was just typing the same question!
Jack> :)
Jack> Epi, you don't to try to GET the energy to do anything.
Epicurien> basically, I get pleasurable tension feelings around my perineum, feels like my pc muscle is working in some way although i am doing nothing to make that happen
Laly> :D
Jack> RE: You're not consciously doing anything to make it happen, that is PERFECT. That is the Zone.
Epicurien> I understand, it's just that there's too much pressure in that area at some point, I really want to release it in some way
Epicurien> Oh
Jack> Just ALLOWING your body's INNER WISDOM take over.
Epicurien> Then I'm often there, at work while sitting on my chair, at home while practicing KSMO, and sometimes while doing nothing at all
Epicurien> I just get really aroused and it warms up in that area
Jack> RE: Wanting to release the energy, yeah that's where most people not familiar with KSMO choose to just go for it - that is, for ejaculation or a high stimulation orgasm.
Epicurien> and lately, it felt incredible at some points
Jack> Epi, when you're feeling that pressure, just expel that energy through the next Key Sound™ you make.
Epicurien> yeah, ejaculation feel a lot better, but I'm trying not to do that one day out of two
Jack> That's really GREAT that you're getting into the incredible Zone! :)
Laly> <is in tears...feeling Epi
Laly> Epi's joy
Epicurien> I reserve one day exclusively for KSMO, than the next I combine because it's just plain better than ''normal'' ejaculation
Epicurien> and so forth
Jack> By ejaculation feeling a lot better, do you mean that since you've started this practice, that on the days between practice sessions when you do experience ejaculation, that these feel better than before you began this practice? Am I understanding that correctly?
Epicurien> you are correct, ejaculations are more powerful than I've ever felt them
Jack> THAT'S FANTASTIC!!! When you say you combine on the next, do you mean
Jack> on the next day, or the next time you practice the Protocol?
Epicurien> But that is only if I take my time and combine with some KS and light stimulation
Epicurien> on the next day. I'll be honest, I have a hard time not doing KS while masturbating because it is so much better with it
Epicurien> but like the protocol says, I practice three times a week WITHOUT masturbating on that same day
Laly> good :)
Jack> Hey no problem... it's ok to follow your intuitions to discover what these alterations may offer you. Exploring in this way is great!
zeitgeist> ...per-mission..
Epicurien> although at this point, I feel that my knowledge of the sensations is to a point where I can easily see the differences between KSMO sensations and ''normal arousal methods'' sensations
Jack> Meanwhile, at least once or twice a week, take a day off from BOTH Key Sound practice AND masturbation, just to find out what you might discover. You may think: Yes but, then nothing will happen - but you may be REALLY surprised.
Epicurien> hahahahah i'll try but I'm kind of addicted to pleasure :)
Jack> What differences are you noticing?
Laly> (k got to scoot back to work-- will see you all in later chat {hugs})
Jack> Well re: taking the days off, it's pleasure I'm talking about! Historically
Epicurien> Yeah i gotta go, dinner's ready
Epicurien> oh ok
Epicurien> I'll give it a try then
Epicurien> one question: the sensation of pressure around the PC muscle, is there anything I should do with that when it happens on ''off'' days?
Jack> people OFTEN wind up having EXTREMELY intense spontaneous experiences on those so-called Days Off. They're not Off, when you take a non-practice day like that,
Jack> it actually MAKES MORE ROOM for NEW and EVEN MORE INTENSE experiences to happen SPONTANEOUSLY.
Jack> Aren't you just a LITTLE BIT CURIOUS about what THAT might feel like? ;)
Jack> Thanks for stopping by, Laly!
zeitgeist> bye for now Laly!
Jack> RE: pressure in PC on off days, yeah just use a Key Sound to express the pent up energy. Do NOT do this in public of course, as it IS a sexual act. :)
Jack> i.e., just use a Key Sound to express the pent up energy, but do so without direct stimulation, or ejaculation.
Epicurien> I for sure am a curious person
Epicurien> Oh ok
Jack> Typically people notice the arousal energy start moving from their genital area, up their body, ultimately out through the top of their head!
Epicurien> Just to ease up the tension?
Jack> Ah so you an... Epicurious person! :D
Epicurien> By doing that on a day without practice and masturbation, I do not compromise my learning at all, right?
Jack> Yes, although arousal may increase at that point. But instead of masturbating to ejaculation, just pretend you are ejaculating pure energy out through the Key Sound.
Epicurien> hahahahahh exactly :)
Jack> It's also cool to combine these vocal energy expressions with a positive intention, such as for World Peace, or similar.
Epicurien> arousal always increases, that's the most interesting part of the whole experience, I never thought I could ever be so turned on
Jack> Right, it's not compromising your practice.
Jack> That's a really great statement: I never thought I could ever be so turned on.
Jack> THAT's wonderful, or as Zeitgeist might say: Wonder Full!
zeitgeist> Tad Da!
Jack> :D
Epicurien> normally, I would feel an urge to ejaculate at half this level of arousal
Jack> BTW, Warm Welcome to Magnagei! Welcome Back!
Epicurien> now, I often WANT it to increase even more...
Jack> THAT'S the ticket, Brother! Right On!
Epicurien> Just to make sure
Epicurien> when I actually practice KSMO, stimulation is mandatory?
Jack> It's great then to act on the Wanting - NOT by trying to MAKE it happen, but by learning to relax and TRUST your body's Inner Wisdom by ALLOWING the feelings to manifest as THEY seem to want to, rather than your consciously trying to make something happen.
Jack> That's where the REAL BIG surprises can happen, as well!
Jack> RE: Stimulation mandatory during practice? No, not at all!
Jack> That is, not at all mandatory!
Epicurien> oh ok
Jack> It's just that if you're practicing only relaxing breathing and occasional Key Sound without stimulation,
Epicurien> normally, when practicing, I do a KS, and then I take 3-4 deep breaths, and then another KS
Jack> you may have some really GREAT experiences! However just know that if this doesn't tend to happen, then reintroduce that SINGLE erotic touch or caress just before at least some of the Key Sounds you do in that session.
Epicurien> ok
Epicurien> that's another thing actually
Epicurien> I discovered nipple sensitivity with the Hypaerosession CD that I bought with the Aneros
Jack> That sounds good, Epi! Now just once in a while, after the several deep breaths - relaxed deep, not straining to make them deep - follow those breaths at least
Epicurien> and that really is something incredible although I would have laughed at you if you'd mentioned something like that six months ago
Jack> some of the time with a single touch or caress and then use a gentle Key Sound as you exhale just after the caress.
Epicurien> oh ok, I guess the secret is not to force anything huh?
Jack> BINGO!!!
Epicurien> I guess i wasn't pushing things up much but i'll try to focus even more on that
Epicurien> btw, I wanted to introduce my wife to KSMO, but she doesn't understand english at all... do you think that my knowledge is sufficient to be a good teacher or should i wait a bit more?
Jack> Forcing is what we call chasing the fawn away - a fawn being a timid baby deer. These sensations can seem somewhat timid like that in the beginning... So if we start chasing those feelings, the fawn (baby deer) - that is the Echo Effects™ feelings will run away like a timid deer!
Epicurien> I want her to experience the most of it...
Epicurien> hehehe that's a really good image actually
Jack> That is, they'll tend to dissipate if you keep trying to MAKE them happen.
Jack> RE: sharing this with your wife, the first step is to begin talking with each other about it, and
Jack> sharing with her what your experience has been thus far. Also,
Jack> reassure her that she doesn't have to be using a Key Sound while you two are making love, although once she learns
Jack> how this all works, she may enjoy doing so from time to time during your shared lovemaking...
Epicurien> yeah, could be somewhat strange right from the start
Jack> The main use of the Key Sound is during your solo practice session to AWAKEN these new sensations we call Echo Effects.
Jack> Of course,
Jack> in my Introductory Seminar, I've also included tips for couples for sharing their practice with each other some of the time.
Epicurien> actually, I'm curious about echo effects... how do they feel like?
Jack> She of course is quite welcome to register here in the Forum as well, using a pseudonym of course, and post, blog, chat, etc.
Jack> I'm happy to answer the questions of couples, both in these chats, and in the Forum and Blogs.
Epicurien> yeah, i did listen to the seminar quite a few times and I've imagined how this would be with my wife... quite interesting and really looking forward to it
Epicurien> but her knowledge of english is really limited
Jack> RE: Echo Effects™... You've been telling us in this chat already what your Echo Effects are beginning to feel like. Echo Effects are all of those spontaneous sensations that you're reporting about already!
Jack> What is her native language?
Epicurien> french
Epicurien> the pressure feeling and all, that is Echo effects?
Jack> If you ever are not sure what an English term in this practice would be in your native tongue just ask me! Heureusement, je parle a un peu de Francais, donc je pourra peut-etre vous aider!
Epicurien> Wow :) impressive :)
Jack> All of the spontaneous sensations occurring during and even after the practice, that feel new and pleasurable to you ARE the Echo Effects!
Epicurien> heheh fortunately, my knowledge of english seems to be ok as i understood most of what's on the site
Epicurien> be right back
Jack> K, it's a good time to offer to pass the Talking Stick to one of the other people in chat today anyway. Then you may certainly have another turn upon your return! :)
zeitgeist> Magnagei; would you like the talking stick?
Epicurien> yes, i'm sorry that i took so much time :o
Jack> Hey Epi - no apologies necessary!!! You are welcome to have the time you need! Just know that you'll get another chance, too! :) Meanwhile, re: magnagei, he may be off browsing elsewhere in the Forum, Zeit...
zeitgeist> OK he may be AFK...
Jack> Z-man please go ahead, if you like.
Jack> [Welcome Rumel!]
zeitgeist> So I could fill in a bit! :)
zeitgeist> So I could fill in for a bit!
Jack> Pray, do!
zeitgeist> I gave a lot of detail last week so I shall be brief...
zeitgeist> with prompting of course! ;)
zeitgeist> What I have noticed recently are two things...
rumel> Thanks Jack, hi zeitgeist, Epicurien and magnagei
zeitgeist> I seem to have recalled a series of little 'embarrassments' from my past; I don't know if this is a form of clearing...
Epicurien> hello rumel :)
zeitgeist> Just little Faux -Pas and they past very quickly...
Jack> What's your hunch?
Jack> re: your not knowing?
zeitgeist> Strange tho' that I seem to play this little series of petit flashbacks...
rumel> "...they past" could be a message there.
zeitgeist> I think they ARE clearings; I've not had any further 'big' furballs for some considerable time
Jack> [ Warm Welcome to helixbill as well! helixbill, Zeitgeist has the Talking Stick at the moment, feel free to ask him questions or offer suggestions about his sharing. ]
zeitgeist> AND there seems to be little chronological order to them
Jack> VGP Rumel! RE: the order, Z, your Inner Wisdom has its own priorities re: emotional healing, wouldn't you say? :)
zeitgeist> There maybe a glimmer of emotion to them but passes very quickly. I don't know whether it's a totting up;an audit...
Epicurien> no need to be specific here, but what would be an example of a furball? no need to respond if you don't want to
zeitgeist> Emotional healing: Sure! perhaps a mopping up of the 'little stuff' ?
Jack> Well-asked, Epicurien! :)
zeitgeist> I'd be interested to know about other adepts reporting. Re Epi's remarks....
Jack> Yeah, what may seem little to your conscious mind, may play some unknown key- or pivotal role in a complex of unresolved issues.
zeitgeist> A furball for me might be a recalling of an event that also brings up something from the past that also has an (sometimes) unexpected emotion attached to it...
Jack> [ Warm Welcome to Newbie denis as well! ]
zeitgeist> When I started KSMO practice this often meant a few tears... sometimes all I got were the tears not knowing what they were about!!
zeitgeist> It felt like a resolution to a past hurt, say a past relationship, girlfriend...
Epicurien> interesting, did you find out at some point what they were about?
Epicurien> ok
zeitgeist> I may, or rather DID suppress them tears/bottled it up until this release all these years later...
Epicurien> ok
zeitgeist> Sometimes it was clear what it was; an image came to mind... a person's voice saying dialogue...
Epicurien> please go on with your story, sorry that I interrupted you
zeitgeist> or as indicated; sometimes tears for no apparent reason! A sudden wave of emotion; which I label 'healing'.
zeitgeist> No problem, Epi, that kinda fitted into the reportage quite nicely
Jack> Great label, Z!
Epicurien> :)
Jack> I think those tears, even when not associated with a specific incident, may be a sign
zeitgeist> So yes; I seem to be gathering up all the mini 'items' as clearing and whether that's typical....?
Jack> of some deeper subconscious acceptance of the sweetness and the grief of the loss, of saying goodbye to that person or those persons and relationships in your life.
zeitgeist> And it's all good to do that so I'm 'clear-ish! :D
zeitgeist> Yes Jack that's a good summary...
zeitgeist> It may be that in the past I'd labelled the stuff as 'unimportant'...
zeitgeist> ...and filed it away accordingly...
zeitgeist> And it's good just revive it all and then...let it go... (all the way down..!) ;)
Jack> I believe that clearings like that, in addition to indicating a deeper emotional acceptance, by grieving - i.e., by even more truly letting go - makes more room for accepting NEW relationships when the time is right.
Jack> Yeah man, let it go, all the way down!
Jack> That's a great expression! :)
Epicurien> question: do these furballs normally show up once you've reached the MMO point?
zeitgeist> So 'acceptance' and moving on *emotionally* means growth
rumel> To me , tears are Windex for the window of my soul.
Jack> Yes it does, Z!
Jack> Good one, rumel! :)
zeitgeist> For example Epi; one time I was walking by the sea and tears ran down my cheeks silently but it felt good!
Jack> Anyone care to offer an answer to Epicurien's question?
zeitgeist> completely spontaeneously
zeitgeist> so it can happen anytime...!
Epicurien> wow...actually, I can understand though... I feel more sensitive lately which is I think totally connected to the good results with my KSMO practice... I feel more connected to people, to my own self
Jack> Those kinds of tears may not always be an expression of sadness or loss, either! They may be an expression of a welling up of JOY! It's what I call brimming as a vessel or container (in this instance, YOU are that emotional container!) that is filled to the brim with this bliss, and begins to spill out of our eyes!
rumel> I haven't reached MMo through KSMO pactice yet, but the furballs have certainly arisen.
Epicurien> I find women prettier, I'm more sensitive, I feel happier, less tired
zeitgeist> I'd like to say that we forget there is a large emotional component to this... its 'feelings' after all!
Jack> Epicurien, that is WONDERFUL news to report about your noticing that exquisite increased sensitivity and appreciation!
zeitgeist> I can also report some wonderful 'Joie do vivre' moments too...
zeitgeist> dE!
zeitgeist> Anyway... before I hand over the 'stick...
zeitgeist> The other thing to report is the ever-increasing energy flowing within...
Jack> Rumel, re: the furballs having arisen yet no full KS orgasms yet - if you're clearing those furballs, you are making more emotional room - i.e., a larger emotional vessel for experiencing the higher levels of intensity.
zeitgeist> amen to that Jack!
Jack> It's lovely to hear, Zeitgeist, that you are noticing increasing flows of energy as you do this emotional work and the KSMO practice!
zeitgeist> Anyway the inner-ji (to quote Jack) is certainly POWERFUL...
zeitgeist> Words fail me to describe sometimes the internal circling of feelings, like copper burning in a flame...
zeitgeist> during a KSMO session the different feelings carried on the inner wave flowing through...
Jack> [Z - When words fail, express through art, dance, song, and yes, orgasm! :) ]
zeitgeist> The different subtle flavours of sensation...
zeitgeist> within the wave.. almost 3D in textures..
zeitgeist> and depth and dimension...
zeitgeist> It just continues to grow in magnitude and ESPECIALLY QUALITY.
Epicurien> Hey! I've always dreamed of being an orgasm artist :D
zeitgeist> Oh my the qualities... Did I mention the unified full bodied properties...?
zeitgeist> then paint away...Nooowwww...
zeitgeist> To finish... I find it extraordinary; the continuing increases to progress; the level of progress which my body is accepting...
zeitgeist> at the level it can stand;I know now that if I had experienced these feelings at their magnitude before I was ready; it would have been extremely traumatic, I'm sure...
zeitgeist> And now, surely it's someone else's turn for the stick! :D
Epicurien> probably
Jack> I'm very glad your trusting your emotional- and physical body's deeper wisdom about when it can present you with the next healing opportunity, and the rewards that flow from it!
Epicurien> i mean, it would have been strange if I hadn't known the process to feel such great pleasure
Jack> Whew, thanks VERY much for that sharing, Z!
Epicurien> It would have scared me I'm sure
zeitgeist> You're right... and welcome Jack!
zeitgeist> 'wisdom of the body' = right on!
Jack> Very good point, Epicurien!
Epicurien> yeah thank you! you enlightened me about furballs, I'll know what's happening if i experience that later on
Jack> OK, who would next like the Talking Stick - i.e., to share?
zeitgeist> I guess that is another phase to experience
zeitgeist> .
Epicurien> I guess i'll be going now... thank you all so much for your time and patience... I'll make sure to post on my progress later on...
Jack> BTW, Epicurien, there is a wealth of discussion in the Forum about emotional furballs. Just use our Google Site Search tool on the keyword: furball and you'll get TONS of information, as well as some very moving and inspiring stories by fellow Orgasmic Adventurers. :)
Epicurien> ok
Epicurien> Have a wonderful day guys
rumel> If helixbill cares to go next that is OK with me.
Jack> Ok, Epicurien, thank you very much for being here today and for sharing the way you have. Please invite your wife to our community as well, and if she has a question that you're not able to express in English, she's welcome to post it in French and I will respond. There may be others in our community who can, as well.
zeitgeist> 'bye Epi!
zeitgeist> dacord!
Jack> BTW, do a search on the user: shiva. He is a fellow Frenchman and is quite adept at this practice.
Jack> By search, I mean here in our Forum, using the search tool.
rumel> Bon jour Epicurien.
Jack> Salut, Epicurien - a la prochaine fois!
Jack> Helixbill, do you have a question for us, or something from practice that you'd like to share? We are here to help you!
Jack> If not, then rumel, you are most welcome to the Talking Stick! :)
rumel> OK, I have an observation about myself more than a question.
Jack> Sure! Please go ahead!
rumel> KSMO is about creating arousal. Yet I have not experienced a sense of arousal from practice to date.
Jack> How do you define arousal?
Jack> ?
rumel> Oops , got kicked out momentarily, arousal, buildup of energy both psychic and physical which leads to physical excitement and desire for release.
Jack> Thanks! In that statement, would you please give examples of physical excitement and of release?
rumel> I have been experiencing the physical 'echo effects' as the fawn continues to nose around during practice sessions.
Jack> What Echo Effects have you been noticing? What kinds of sensations, and where in your body? [As always, YOU get to choose what questions you want to answer and how, as well as reserving the option to NOT answer any question anyone (including I) may ask you here.]
rumel> I would associate pleasureable sensations from induced muscular tension and involuntary contractions.
Jack> Contractions of ?
rumel> During practice sessions, I will get involuntary muscular spasms at various location on my body.
rumel> Muscular spasms = involuntary contractions.
Jack> Um, I'm getting a little confused, I apologize. I think I might be misreading something. I think I read just below
Jack> that you said you have not experienced any arousal using KSMO, and defined arousal as
rumel> These are similar to orgasmic contractions yet there is no sense of pleasure being derived from them.
Jack> muscle contractions and pleasurable sensations, and that
Jack> you have experienced Echo Effects but not arousal. I'm unclear as to the distinction.
Jack> Ok, when this is happening, what is happening for you emotionally?
Jack> [ Welcome Buster! ]
Buster> hi
rumel> The distinction I would make has to do with the level of pleasure being simultaneously generated.
rumel> Hi Buster,
Jack> Simultaneously or Spontaneously?
Jack> Or both? :)
rumel> Both
Jack> Ok, and to make sure I am understanding you correctly, you are saying you are experiencing contractions from time to time, but no pleasurable sensations at all?
rumel> When I perform the caress, there is a definite physical and emotional sense of pleasure but this does not carry over into the echo effects.
Jack> When you perform the caress, how often does a Key Sound accompany it?
rumel> Every time, one caress, one KS.
Jack> Ok, you're saying the Echo Effects don't feel pleasurable at all, they're just muscle contractions, is that right?
rumel> Yes, I suspect there are some emotional furballs that need to be resolved and released for more progress to take place.
Jack> [ Welcome, Smithie! ]
rumel> The KSMO practice is very much like a meditation for me, a chance to uncover and resolve some of the deeply buried issues from my past.
Jack> Yeah I would tend to agree with that assessment Rumel. That'd be the first area of attention anyway, in my opinion. If there ARE unresolved emotional issues (aka emotional furballs) - especially issues related to its being ok for you to feel pleasure, joy, sexiness, etc., then that could certainly tend to attenuate pleasure feelings.
rumel> Jack, It is a very interesting journey that I am on.
Jack> Approaching it as a meditation with the intention learning more about yourself, including unresolved issues is a very good approach, in my opinion.
Buster> Can I fire a question about furballs?
Jack> Yes Buster, please go ahead!
rumel> Sure Buster ask.
Buster> I have been interested in what has been happening to Rumel.
Buster> The furballs (emotional issues) sometimes they are buried pretty deep, huh?
Jack> In what ways?
rumel> So is Rumel - :)
Buster> Do they always come to the surface eventually?
Buster> I have wondered why it is that I always seem to have a barrier that I cannot cross. I don't want to steal this conversation and make it about me, but I was just wondering.
rumel> Buster, I think you have to actively dig for them sometimes.
Buster> I just don't have anything in my past that I can identify that would be a barrier.
Buster> How are you digging for them Rumel?
rumel> Help them to surface so you can resolve them, that is what I am trying to do for myself.
Jack> Guys, to both of you and to the readers, the simple truth is that sometimes this requires competent professional assistance.
rumel> When any particular thought arises about a past experience or event, I try to examine it to find out why it first popped up at all, then how I feel about it emotionally
Jack> One very good resource for such assistance is by asking the good people at www.aasect.org .
rumel> Then I try to look at it from a different attitude perspective and I am finding this effective in accepting myself and putting the issue to rest.
Buster> That is cool Rumel.
Jack> As you do so, are you discovering any increased ability to experience pleasure?
rumel> I agree with Jack that professional assistance is sometimes necessary.
Jack> It doesn't necessarily have to be long-term either. It just really depends on one's own personal history.
rumel> Jack, I haven't noticed any increased ability to experience pleasure in a physical sense, but I have noticed an increased ability to experience a spiritual pleasure from my environment including the people around me. This has come somewhat as a surprise.
Jack> One helpful pattern has been though, that as a person engages in this KSMO practice, these issues may tend to get stronger, although they may not always be specifically identifiable nor soluble without that outside point of view to assist.
rumel> I have also noted an increased level of empathic sensitivity.
Jack> Thatsounds like a very good beginning! Would you please say more about that spiritual pleasure?
Jack> The increase in empathy seems to me to be a big one. It does seem, rumel that you nevertheless may be laying some good emotional groundwork for allowing your Echo Effects to become more directly pleasurable.
rumel> This may sound strange, but I seem to feel the energy of living things both positive and negative, I find the postive energy very pleasureable in a way the words fail.
Jack> It may sound strange to some, but quite familiar to me and to a number of others in our community here.
rumel> Jack, I have no doubt that this practice is doing me a world of good, I may at times be impatient for results, but I do understand this can not be rushed or forced to occur at a pace I am uncomfortable with.
Jack> It does seem like you're experiencing a fair bit of emotional opening, evidently at least to some degree associated with your KSMO practice. The pattern to me that is noteworthy is that although the opening has not yet taken some of the forms you might like or expect, that there is some noteworthy emotional and spiritual opening occuring.
Jack> Yeah, I hear you Rumel!
Jack> We're coming up on the top of the hour... Is there any additional piece you'd like to add to your comments before we check in with Buster and Smithie?
rumel> No - let's hear from the other people, I relinquish the Talking Stick.
Jack> Rumel, I do hope we'll continue this discussion between chats, via your blog and Forum posts. It's fairly common for whatever emotional unfolding may occur as an effect of this practice, that it typically happens in a form, timing, and sequence that tends to be other than one consciously expects. I hope you like surprises! Pleasant ones! :)
Jack> Ok, Buster, Smithie, would either of you like the Talking Stick - to ask a question or just share aspects of your practice or other comments?
Buster> Take 'er away Smithie
rumel> Yes I love pleasant surprises, serendipity is wonderful.
Jack> Thanks again Rumel, for bring The Real Emotional You to our chats!
Jack> :) > Rumel.
Jack> Smithie are you in the chat channel? Do you have a question, comment, or something you'd like to share?
Jack> Seems like Smithie is reading some posts from the past - How about you Buster? How did your Monday Celebration go? I'm sorry I couldn't be
Jack> part of it directly, but at 6pm my time - 9pm yours,
Jack> on the way to a prior commitment, I shared with my wife what y'all were up to,
Jack> and as I did so, we were driving along the bay and lo and behold there was a huge and very lovely
Jack> Full Moon just rising, and it's Silvery-Gold reflection on the water painted a path right to us!
Jack> So we both felt very connected to the celebration you and the others were sharing.
Jack> BTW, I think that was a REALLY great idea!
Jack> Ok now I will pass the Talking Stick back to you. I just wanted you to know about that. :)
Buster> That's great Jack. I really think that there were some people that got quite a bit out of it.
Buster> I think that there is going to be some rallying going on every full moon.
Jack> VERY cool!
Buster> It was interesting to me to experiencing these orgasms and staring at the moon and trying to move the energy more outward.
Jack> We bring our own very special howling at the Moon, don't we?
Buster> I started about an hour ahead of time with KSMO and to honest with you, that was the best part for me that night.
rumel> I too participated in attempting to 'jump start' the vibratory wave around the world, we are going to raise everyone's energy level eventually.
Buster> There was a guy that participated that had been in a dry spell lasting just over a year where he could no longer experience Super O's and he was able to break the barrier that night.
Buster> I have become very interested in the spiritual side of this.
Jack> That's quite wonderful Buster!
Jack> That's one thing that really surprises people about this practice. They come to it seeking
Jack> more erotic pleasure, and often, of course, greater intimacy with a partner - yet lo and behold, they find that by opening themselves up in this way, they also often report as you have, the spiritual growth and evolution. Well done, Brother!
Buster> I have had the 2 best KSMO sessions since we last spoke, it is all good.
Jack> FANTASTIC!
Jack> Would you be comfortable describing them, to some degree?
Buster> The one thing that comes right to the front of my mind is that for the first time, the bottom half of my body (starting at about the waste) got into this tingling, floating state that is really almost indescribable. I would loved to have my whole body there at the same time but was thankful for what I had.
Buster> The orgasms were going live a wave from my waste to my toes and back again. I was in total control of that.
Jack> WOW!
Buster> that would be "like" a wave.
Jack> RE: The rest of your body... Stay tuned, Brother, the Gates of the Thousandfold Pleasures are beginning to open! :)
Buster> One day I will have my whole body in that state but I bet I was only ready for this much.
zeitgeist> A lovely description!
Jack> It's wonderful news to hear that you're able to more or less surf those waves of pleasure!
Buster> Thanks Zeit, I didn't know you were even here!
Jack> Buster re: what you're ready for... I personally really resonate to that way of framing these kinds of experiences, as doing so
Buster> There was a "humming" that was so wonderful and warm!
Jack> accords respect and trust to our subconscious body wisdom AND DESIRE to become more sensual as well as emotionally and even spiritually open.
Jack> Hey Buster, gives new meaning to Humming a Happy Tune, eh? :D
rumel> Buster "The orgasms were going live..." is also appropos
Buster> What is interesting is how instead of REALLY exploring it for a long period of time, I felt the need to mess with it. It was almost like I got bored with it. How can a guy get bored with that kind of thing? It just didn't make sense to me when I reviewed the session in my mind afterward.
Buster> What an idiot! (I am talking about me)
Jack> Hey lighten up on Buster, he's a friend of mine! :)
rumel> Was it boredom or curiosity about the wider possibilities?
Buster> I am gonna kick his ass!
Buster> You know Rumel, it could be that (curiosity) instead of boredom. I have to remember the fawn.
Jack> Oh yeah? Ya gotta go through me to do it! :eek: :p
Jack> Meanwhile give yourself LOTS OF FREEDOM to explore and try different positions and the like. There's
Jack> a way in which trying to keep things just the way they are can actually be counterproductive... It's ok to feel like exploring the boundaries of the sensations, as you described you did. That's my opinion any way. There'll still be more to... come!
rumel> Buster, remember Bambi eventually grows into a powereful stag.
Jack> Good one, imho, Rumel, re: curiosity. Very nice reframe. I'm glad you liked it Buster!
Jack> LOL Rumel re: the stag - YEAH!!!
Buster> Rumel knows me pretty well.
Buster> I bet he'd like to kick my ass too.
rumel> NO WAY DO I WANT TO KICK YOU ASS! (turnabout is fair play) :)
Jack> Oh yeah? Ooo you gettin' feisty, ain't ya? Must be all of that Chi you're runnin'!
Jack> My comment was to Buster, btw.
Buster> It must be the music I am listening to while we chat.
Buster> ...could be the chi as well.
Buster> Anyway gents, it appears to have stopped snowing and I need to clear the driveway. I will try and check in on tonight's chat.
Jack> When you toss that shovelfull of snow, just think the Key Sound as the snow leaves your shovel. :)
zeitgeist> I have to slip away too.. its been fun chatting with you all...bye!
rumel> Redirecting your chi for the family's benefit I hope.
Jack> Provided of course you're doing this by yourself - not with others (non-informed, non-consenting, etc.).
Buster> Shovel? You gotta be nuts! Got the snowblower baby!
Jack> Bye Zeit, pleasant dreams... It was wonderful having you here today!
Buster> That little sucker has gotten a workout this year!
Buster> Bye guys. Hope to see you later.
Jack> Bye Buster!
rumel> Buster - too bad you couldn't send some of that moisture to drought ridden CA.
rumel> Ciao B.
rumel> Bye zeigeist
Jack> Yeah we should wrap this chat, as I need to rest before the next one starting at 0200GMT (9pm Eastern US Standard Time).
Jack> Are there any last questions or comments for now?
rumel> OK, later Jack, Bye for now.
Jack> Bye for now, rumel. Thanks very much for all of your contributions today. I look forward to the next time!
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Session stop: Sat Feb 21 20:42:18 2009