Session start: Sun Jan 25 00:46:31 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090124
Laly> welcome back crunk
CRUNKYEAH> hello :)
Laly> how's it going so far?
CRUNKYEAH> just dandy, i woke up not too long ago
CRUNKYEAH> i already have a question :P
Laly> k-- ask away
CRUNKYEAH> how do you feel when you wake up the next morning after a good session?
CRUNKYEAH> i didn't actually have a session or anything, but when I woke up I could feel i was more relaxed than normal
CRUNKYEAH> I had to stretch a lot before getting out of bed
Laly> lighter, happier-- more joyous
CRUNKYEAH> I could relate
CRUNKYEAH> how are you doing?
Laly> okay
CRUNKYEAH> also, I was curious about to what that music you were listening earlier to is called?
CRUNKYEAH> Reiki or something along those lines? would I be able to listen to it on youtube or would i have to buy a cd?
Laly> http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...usic&aq=-1&oq=
Laly> can listen to on youtube-- that is link for reiki music
CRUNKYEAH> looking into it now
CRUNKYEAH> have you ever tried yoga?
Laly> yes
Laly> with my hip issues- i have to be careful - with some moves
CRUNKYEAH> does it help with relaxing and getting a feel for your body?
Laly> stretching does-- more than yoga
CRUNKYEAH> ahhh i see
CRUNKYEAH> do you ever stretch before having a session?
Laly> if i am stiff- yes
Laly> most of the time-- the Reiki music relaxes me
Laly> clears my mind,
Laly> so that i feel the music- breathe it in
Laly> let it become part of me
CRUNKYEAH> i see
Laly> much like a ksmo session
CRUNKYEAH> have you listened to relaxing synthetic sounds before?
Laly> and the key sound--
Laly> before ksmo -- no
Laly> hi epicurien
CRUNKYEAH> what were you trying to say about the KS?
CRUNKYEAH> Howdy Epic
Laly> with the key sound-- when I was first practicing
Laly> i didnt "just" make it--i let it fill me-
Laly> allowed it to ecompass my entire body
Epicurien> hum, I don't know? can't recall..
Epicurien> By the way, thanks for the advices, I appreciate them and you sound right on quite a few thing
CRUNKYEAH> interesting
Epicurien> I'll just see what kind of review Jack will give me on my KS, and once I'll know how to do it right, I'll go easy with the stim...
CRUNKYEAH> good idea
Epicurien> Good evening Laly
CRUNKYEAH> i don't know if this is correct but I think there should be minimal stim until you experience MMOs
CRUNKYEAH> I should do that myself
Epicurien> I'll listen to the protocol again just in case
Laly> 1 -2 light caresses after a key sound is made
CRUNKYEAH> I would do that and read the pdf file too
CRUNKYEAH> Oh, go on Laly
Epicurien> But seriously, I'm getting some serious pleasure so far, it's hard to hold myself up...
Laly> it can happen epi-
Epicurien> oops... I was stimulating WHILE doing the KS and then stopped when done, waiting for echoes...
Laly> but i do encourage you to keep stimulation to 1-2 light caresses
CRUNKYEAH> That's very good to hear Epi
Epicurien> Ok, I'll stick to that... that'll probably tease me really good though :D
CRUNKYEAH> Wait a second, I thought the light caresses was supposed to be before the KS is made?
CRUNKYEAH> Something about a charging breath?
Epicurien> So did I
Laly> oops- my bad
Laly> before KS
CRUNKYEAH> Your thoughts Laly?
CRUNKYEAH> lol it's all good ^^
Epicurien> Alright, I'd better get going, but thanks for everything guys, and have a wonderful evening :)
Laly> "and without hurrying, introduce a single erotic touch or caress, just before each Key Sound."
Laly> that is taken directly from the pdf file epi k
Laly> you too epi
CRUNKYEAH> Ahh that's a shame, the session should be starting shortly
CRUNKYEAH> But have a wonderful evening yourself
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Forum of 20090125 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hello everyone!
Laly> hi rumel, jack
Laly> (you were right crunk-- is before KS)
Jack> Hi Laly! Looks like you guys have been chatting it up pretty well so far. :)
Jack> Please continue.
rumel> Hello Jack, Laly, CRUNKYEAH, Epicurean
CRUNKYEAH> Hello rumel ^^
Laly> Epi had a question jack-- i hope he can stick around long enough to ask
Laly> get others' opinions on it
Jack> Yes that's fine, please go ahead.
Laly> epi-- you still here?
Jack> Feel free to continue however you were before I got here. I of course am likewise happy to answer any questions I might be able to.
Laly> k-he was asking earlier-- I'll just see what kind of review Jack will give me on my KS, and once I'll know how to do it right, I'll go easy with the stim...
Jack> rumel I REALLY want to compliment you again on the very cool way you followed up with the slip and how authentically you shared through that whole process. Thanks very much for honoring us with your truth!
Laly> crunk and i were just talking about Reiki and relaxing before a session
rumel> Thanks Jack, but it really is for my benefit to let this baggage go, I do feel that it is allowing me to delve deeper into the attic and let the useless stuff float away.
CRUNKYEAH> yes we were
Jack> That's a really great attitude rumel. You seem lighter. :)
CRUNKYEAH> i have to agree
rumel> I AM lighter (could be some enlightnement has taken place).
Jack> yes I think some has! LOL.
Laly> good for you rumel
rumel> I do have a question for this evening.
Laly> ask away
Laly> i can wait
rumel> OK , In my last session I had a strange occurrence that I would like to get some feedback on and how it might be interpreted.
rumel> Shortly after starting my KS session my trigger caress of a single stroke around a nipple started to yield little feeling,
rumel> I switched to the other nipple and experienced the same thing. I interpreted this as a signal that my body shouldn't be doing a session at that time, so I just stopped.
rumel> Is there something more that I should be thinking about?
Laly> good- sounds like you're listening to your body and not forcing anything
Jack> That seems pretty straightforward to me rumel... I think it's part of getting to know your own signals.
Laly> may i ask you a question rumel?
rumel> I don't want to read more into it than exists but I don't want to overlook some message being sent either.
rumel> Yes ask Laly.
Laly> are your nipples the only "hot spots" for you?
rumel> :) No, the genitals are obvious hot spots and sometimes my earlobes too, there are other spots, but the nipples are conveniently accessible.
Laly> okay--
Laly> i was sensing that there were others for you :)
rumel> Yes there are but its funny that I didn't even consider switching to an alternate site.
rumel> I guess it was like my body was saying "hey not today dude!"
Jack> Imagine that! :D
Laly> yeah
rumel> It was strange because this was the first session this has occured, all the others have been pleasant.
rumel> Laly can I ask you a Q?
Laly> sure rumel
Jack> It's quite natural for there to be waxes and wanes, rumel. Like all other life cycles. :)
rumel> What is Reiki music?
Laly> *chuckles
Laly> Reiki music-- is used to compliment the Reiki healing method
rumel> Jack - As Jimmi Hendrix once titled a song "Moon turns the tides..."
Laly> it is a very calming, relaxing meditative tempo based music
Laly> earlier I gave crunk a link to some youtube videos of Reiki music he could listen to
rumel> OK, I'll have to go back and see what you gave him.
Laly> it can be used to calmpost emotions-- or stimulate certian chakra points on the body
Laly> http://www.youtube.com/results?searc...usic&aq=-1&oq=
Jack> [Welcome K-T!]
Jack> Very nice music, thanks Laly!
Laly> i was listening to some earlier -- trying to calmpost myself
Laly> HI K-T
rumel> Yes, Laly thanks for the link, I'm listening now. Hi K-T.
Laly> yw rumel
Jack> Who has a question or something you'd like to share?
rumel> Here's one you might like - http://www.magnatune.com/artists/alb...e-dreamscapes/
Jack> Epicurien, I just posted a reply to your Key Sound™ sample post.
Laly> i do-- but i can wait if someone else wants to go first
Jack> Thanks rumel!
Jack> anyone?
Laly> furballs jacks
Laly> jack-- sorry, tired
rumel> I think the Geek Godess may command the talking stick.:):)
Laly> Oh god- GG!! not gonna live THAT nickname down anytime soon huh ;)
rumel> :) Oh, Jeeze, did I mispell that maybe it should be Greek Goddess?:):)
Laly> no u didnt mis-spell it
Laly> after the umm- time bomb/furball that;s been tossed in my path yesterday-- feels to at least laugh
Laly> feels good to
Jack> What's up, Laly?
rumel> I guess my lightness of being has gone to my head and I'm just being playfully silly now, I'll behave now, promise.
Laly> got news yesterday-- that man who raped me at 16
Laly> is back
Laly> working with my brother :(
Laly> has brought up many conflicting emotions for me
Jack> Jeez! Does this mean you have to have contact with him?
Laly> i dunno Jack
Laly> i pray not
Jack> You talking with your counselor about this change in your life?
Laly> no *begins to cry
Laly> i tried to email her- couldnt even finish the email
Jack> y
Jack> e
Jack> t
Laly> called there- family was celebrating her b-day tonite
Laly> yet???
rumel> Is your brother in position to influence things? If so perhaps he can get the man removed or relocated elsewhere.
Laly> i dont think he knows exactly who is is Jack...re: ex-boyfriend n rape
rumel> You could also seek a court restraining order against him.
Laly> i know rumel-- but need address or residence for that-- i dont have it
Laly> dont know much about R.O.s
rumel> If he's working with your brother, Your brother could easily get that information.
Laly> *sighs-- yeah
Laly> but it may mean-- me telling brother why too
Jack> How long do you expect to wait to bring your counselor into the loop on this event in your life?
Laly> expect???
Laly> is/wasnt easy talking about it now
Jack> estimate...
Laly> oh man...
Laly> i know she has church and a class tomorrow
Jack> I figured that some part of you has an idea of about how long, and bringing that to mind might be helpful in some way.
Laly> may try later in the afternoon
Laly> i had hoped to tonite-- before chat
rumel> I can tell you this Laly, if I had known the identity of the man who raped my sister, I would have done everything in my power to make his life a living hell.
Laly> thanks rumel
rumel> At the very least I would have helped her in any way I could because I loved her.
Jack> Thing is, there are considerations regarding current safety, and that's one of the reasons I'm asking why/when about contact with your counselor.
Laly> actually--family said -- back then-- if they ever saw him again-- he was a dead man
Laly> this from both my brothers
rumel> Please do not hesitate to avail yourself of all your allies and support for protection.
Laly> i understand that jack re: safetu
Laly> safety
Laly> all he has done is pass amessage via brother- to say hi to me
Laly> at this point
Jack> Well I hope you get in touch with your counselor with a msg asap, and get her help evaluating your safety / risk.
Laly> :) -- yes
Jack> As well as help in establishing clear boundaries from the beginning.
Laly> also plan on letting co-workers know as well
Laly> just as precaution
Jack> ...And that you'll post a note here in the Forum when you've done so, as a bookend. :)
Laly> my boss is lawyer's wife-- she may even have suggestions as well
Laly> i will jack re: bookend
Jack> Very Good RE: co-workers and YES re: boss / lawyer's wife.
Jack> k. Laly. The adult You is your best advocate and protector. She'll help you get in touch with your counselor and the others in your support system asap.
Laly> yeah
Laly> also need to have chat with brother too
Jack> Yeah right on re: brother.
rumel> Yes RE: chat with brother, you may find him an amazing ally.
Laly> OH god rumel-- u have NO idea :D
Laly> being only girl growing up-- both were very protective
Jack> Another Knight just road up... Hail, Sir Drew!
Laly> *chuckles
rumel> Hi Drew
Drew> Hi all.
Laly> <cries harder
Laly> crud crud :(
Laly> hi Drew
Laly> yeah-- plenty of knights, but I am one who needs to slay the dragon :(
rumel> True, but even dragon slayers have their support personnel.
Laly> :D-- true
Jack> Well spake, rumel! :)
Laly> thanks
Laly> am plum wore out ... next
Jack> [Hi tandello, welcome!]
Laly> drew?? tandello??
rumel> Hi tandello
tandello> hello
tandello> how is the conversation tonight?
Laly> good- imho :)
rumel> Laly, re:support - the distracting glare from your polished armor that temporarily blinds the dragon may have been buffed by a lowly squire!
Drew> < also has a mountain to climb (Dragon to slay)
Drew> and, no one else can do it for me.
Laly> awwwww -- rumel :o
Jack> Laly is there anything else you'd like from the group this evening before we pass the Talking Stick to whomever might like it next?
Jack> Well Drew, I sure appreciate your letting us know!
Drew> (I appreciate you saying that, Jack... It's not easy for me to share)
Laly> no Jack...already offered T.S. to drew :)
rumel> Drew, even Edmond Hillary had a guide on his climb.
Jack> I hear ya Drew.
Drew> I'm not sure what else to say.
Drew> I appreciate that, rumel.
Jack> Sometimes it's ok and even productive for a group of us to just sit here together and hold this space together. It's here to help our community though, when someone wants to take advantage of it in that way.
Drew> I am realizing that asking for help is not one of my strong suits.
Jack> If anyone would like to speak, speak... meanwhile, it's a pleasure to be here with you. :)
Laly> {nor is it mine drew}
Drew> :)
Jack> You are realizing that, are you, Drew?
Drew> Yeah.
Jack> ;)
Drew> It's been a thread running through my life... I tend to isolate rather than reach out.
Jack> Yeah that is SUCH a natural human tendency - even more than human - to recoil from something painful.
rumel> Drew, if it is any consolation, I would be terified at the prospect of disclosing some of these thoughts even in a private setting face to face with someone.
Drew> I hear ya, rumel.
Drew> I suppose my being 'here' right now is a little different.
Drew> being alone with my own thoughts is really scary at the moment.
Laly> how so?
Laly> i understand that completely Drew.
Drew> I am imagining the worst possible outcomes to the situation I'm in... I can't 'see' a good resolution.
Jack> Have you told your counselor about this?
Drew> Oh Yeah!
Drew> I'm getting the 'guidance' that rumel mentioned earlier...
Jack> Good!
Drew> and, at the end of the day... "I" have to do it myself (even with help)
Jack> What is the world needing you to give it?
Drew> I'm not sure that I have faith in myself... And, that the world is a 'friendly' place.
Jack> Seems to me that it's friendly... in places.
Jack> At least that's my operational hunch.
Drew> I like it!
Jack> Also what comes to mind is that Crisis/Opportunity Paradox.
rumel> This little corner of the world seems like a friendly place to me.
Laly> u like that that the world seems "not friendly" place for you??
Jack> RE: what you said, rumel, yes I agree
Jack> a wee foothold!
Drew> No Laly, it's Jack's operational hunch that I like.
Laly> oh?? gotcha :)
Jack> You're very welcome to use it!
Drew> and yes, I like the 'foothold' metaphor too!
Jack> :)
rumel> re : foothold remind me to talk of it after Drew finishes.
Drew> Please go ahead, rumel...
rumel> OK, I'm a technical rock climber, and when climbing a full foothold feels so tremendously secure compared to the little toeholds you usually have,
rumel> one thanks God for their existence because you hav a real chance to relax and gather your wits before procceding.
Drew> Wow, that's amazing!
Jack> Really! Do lunch!
rumel> So, footholds are marvelous way stops on your journey upward.
Laly> :)
Jack> Great perspective, rumel! :)
Drew> And, in order to progress 'upward', you have to leave the foothold, right?
Laly> yes
rumel> Yes you leave the foothold but you find another and then another along your upward route, but you do have to look for them, they are not always obvious.
rumel> That is why the 'foothold' is such a great metaphor for me.
Laly> k - must bid all nite--
Jack> Yes I must be going too. Thanks everyone for all of what you've shared this evening / morning!
rumel> Good night Laly, thanks for allowing us to be your 'seconds' if you must face any dragons.
Jack> Thanks again for that wonderful perspective on a foothold as easy street, rumel! ;)
Drew> Yeah, that helps!
Jack> Thanks Drew, keep in touch! And you too, tandello! Good night all!
rumel> Drew, did you get to your question?
Laly> and thank you rumel
Drew> I am not sure that I had one, rumel.
Drew> Night, Jack.
rumel> You are very Welcome Laly
Drew> Is everyone leaving?
rumel> Good night Jack
Laly> i am-- been up for 18 hours today Drew
Jack> G'night! The ChatBox of course remains open for your use in support of each other. Wishing you each all the very best! Jack
Laly> as much as i WANT to stay
rumel> I'll stick around a bit if you want to talk some more Drew or tandello.
Drew> That would be nice for a little while.
Laly> i can too-not sure how much sense I'll make tho
rumel> Cool, I still don't know what specifically was gnawing at you.
Drew> I'm interested in the rock climbing, rumel... Where do you do it?
rumel> I've mainly done most of my climbing at a place called 'Lover's Leap' near Lake Tahoe CA., have climbed a bit in Yosemite too.
Drew> kewl... A ropes 'n' helmets job?
rumel> I'm not a great climber, but it is challenging, scary, fun and a great outdoor experience.
Drew> I hear ya there!
rumel> Ropes, yes, I suppose I should use a helmet, but the places we climb are pretty clean not often loose rock.
Drew> I am originally from the UK; I used to go 'scrambling' in Snowdonia
Drew> I made it up to the Scottish highlands a few times, too.
rumel> What do you mean by 'scrambling'?
Drew> it's sorta in between walking and rock climbing I suppose
Drew> http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionar...ock+scrambling
rumel> OK, I think I know what you mean, it is where you need to use your feet and arms on occassion to proceed but doesn't require roping up for protection against long falls. Yes?
Drew> Yep, that's about it.
Laly> :)
Laly> sounds like fun to me
Drew> I've actually tackled that ridge featured in the photo on that web page link.
rumel> There are also terms such as 'bouldering' and 'scree running' that are related to scrambling.
Drew> It's awesome!
Drew> and not without danger.
Drew> < loves scree running!
Drew> My knees... Not so much!
rumel> Very cool indeed.
rumel> Yes scree running is quite dangerous for broken limbs.
Drew> My I ask... How are you doing with KSMO?
Drew> (any answer is 'optional' of course)
rumel> Laly, if you ever have the chance to second a technical climb DO IT.
rumel> re: KSMO, I am on a plateau with the mountain looming far above me.
Drew> Do you have a foothold? ;)
Drew> Hi Epicurien.
rumel> This site is my foothold.
Laly> rumel- i have asked about it-- gotten no replies or help in doing
Drew> Ah... A GOOD one!
rumel> fortunately I know this is a set of footholds all the way to the top.
Drew> Amen!
rumel> Laly, it may be scary as hell, but if you have a good guide you are very safe.
Laly> i know-- so far havent found anyone to do that
rumel> Climbing makes you come face to face with your fear.
Laly> not just climbing does rumel imho
rumel> Are there any climbing areas near you? IF so there may be one or two day introductory classes you could attend.
Laly> not in my hometown
rumel> That is how I began about 25 years ago.
Laly> ok
Laly> take care....hugs
rumel> I learned at the Yosemite Mountaineerin School at the age of 36.
Laly> nice
rumel> Good night. Hugs back at ya!
Laly> :)
Drew> Yosemite Sam's School o' Mountaineerin'?
Laly> till next time
rumel> :)
rumel> Laly & Drew her's a link - http://www.yosemitepark.com/activiti...ingschool.aspx
Drew> kewl
Drew> OK, startin' to fade over here.
rumel> Me too, I'm saying goodnight also. thanks for your interest Drew, in a sport I love.
rumel> Ciao!
Drew> You're welcome, rumel... Take care, and thanks for your support!
Laly> Good morning Epicurien
Jack> Hi Laly and Epicurien... Epicurien I've posted a reply to your Key Sound™ articulation sample.
Epicurien> Yes I did read it. Thank you very much, I appreciate it.
Jack> Great, E... You're very welcome! I look forward to reading your Blogress.
CRUNKYEAH> I posted another blog if anyone cares to take a look ;)
Session stop: Wed Jan 28 19:21:59 2009