Session start: Sun Jan 11 00:38:51 2009
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20090110
rumel> Hello Laly, & denis
Laly> hi rumel!!!
Laly> denis is actually in the forum reading
Laly> how are ya rumel?
rumel> OK then he/she is missing the pleasure of your wisdom
Jack> ****Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20090111 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Happy MultiOrgasm New Year everyone!
Laly> hi rick
Rickmc> Hi
Rickmc> (I didn't really mean to join the chat!)
rumel> From the earlier chat session should we address Laly as a Geek Goddess?
Laly> aww thanks rumel
Laly> sure know how to bright a gal's nite :)
Laly> lol ---
Jack> Wow, RICK!!! WELCOME BACK, BUDDY!
rumel> :):)
Laly> why rick???
Rickmc> Hi - it has been a loooooong time - but I'm "just passing through"
Laly> we are glad you're here none-the less :)
Rickmc> I was checking out the new page here and accidentally got in here
Jack> Rick's join date: Sept 11 2002, that's why. A KSMO Veteran to be SURE!
Laly> *beeming-- nice place to slide to rick :)
Rickmc> Wellllll....
Rickmc> lol
Jack> And warm greetings to Monsieur Rumel and to Near-Newbie Denis!
rumel> Hello Jack & Rickmc
Jack> And to Mlle GG Laly!
Rickmc> Hi
Laly> how do you like the new layout rick?
Laly> awwwwww *blushing furiously /
Rickmc> It looks classy
Rickmc> I haven't had too much of a chance to look it over completely yet...
Rickmc> (ergo my slipping into the forum here!)
rumel> It seems like I haven't spoken since last year, I hope everyone had good Holly Daze.
Laly> just wait until the "new look" comes rick--
Jack> How about for the benefits of the readers we do a quick once around the table to introduce yourselves (while preserving anonymity, naturally), and give us any personal details you're ok with sharing e.g. approx geographic location, how long in KSMO practice, where you feel you are on this particular path to Self-Discovery and MultiOrgasmic Awareness?
Laly> (i did rumel thanks)
Jack> Yes, thanks for the good wishes, rumel!
Laly> who cares to start?
Rickmc> Indeed
rumel> I'm 61, SWM, straight in commited relationship with a SO, living in CA. USA
Jack> Not everybody all at once! :)
Jack> Ah, thanks rumel!
Jack> And for today, how do you describe where you are in this practice, rumel?
rumel> In practice for a couple of months, just beginning to see effects.
Laly> see? effects??
Jack> Very nice to hear that things are stirring for you, rumel!
Jack> rumel = probably a Visual Primary Representational System, Laly
Laly> 38, single , female, ksmo adept of 4 years..
Laly> ahh okay -- thanks
rumel> see = become aware of, perceive, effects = sensations and feelings
Jack> Thanks Laly and again, welcome.
Jack> And next? denis? Rick?
Laly> :)
Jack> denis and Rick, do you care to join in the discussion this evening? If not, that of course is ok, although we'll miss you. Would love it if you could be here though.
Jack> Ok, who'd like the Talking Stick first?
Laly> would you like the talking stick rumel??
Laly> LOL-- we are synced again jack-- :eek:
Jack> :)
rumel> I do have a question from the earlire chat, but it can wait if you'd like to speak first Laly.
Laly> nope- go ahead and ask away
rumel> what's an ear lire? EARLIER!
rumel> moregasm asked about relaxation.
Laly> :)
rumel> I have a similiar Q.
Laly> yes
Jack> [RE: ear lire... No worries rumel, it's common for so-called slips to occur as people's subconscious often seizes the opportunity to speak in these sessions.]
rumel> If I start to feel inner tension as a result of the KS should I consciously try to relax out of it?
Jack> Yes, please proceed, rumel, you have the Talking Stick.
Laly> u asking me or jack rumel??
Jack> Actually I recommend that you relax INto it.
rumel> Either on of you may respond first, I would like to hear all points of view.
Laly> i agree with jack
Jack> As the arousal energy starts flowing, it's a natural initial response to tense up. And the energy itself can build tension in the muscles. So a major goal of practice at those times is to learn to breathe and relax INto those areas.
rumel> Jack, could you expand upon that please?
rumel> I guess I am having a little trouble getting my mind around the concept of relaxing "into" something.
rumel> I view relaxing as a "letting go" process.
Jack> Sure, it's fairly simple really... Wherever you notice muscles starting to tense up in any kind of an uncomfortable way as arousal increase, take a nice unforced deep breath with the intention of breathing that oxygen into those tightening areas.
Jack> If the phrase letting go works for you, that's fine. Just take an unforced, relaxing breath and invite those tightening muscles to let go a little.
rumel> What if the tension of sexual energy is not uncomfortablr?
Jack> ...And then a little more with the next relaxing breath.
Jack> If it's not uncomfortable then enjoy the ride!
Jack> If you like.
rumel> OK, I'll see if that leads anywhere the next time it happens.
Jack> RE: what I just said - That's what works for me and a number of others, anyway.
Jack> k.
Jack> You sound a little skeptical rumel, or am I misreading.
Jack> ?
rumel> I was confused about whether that is on or off protocol, or if it even mattered.
Jack> How about now?
rumel> What I experienced during my latest session seemed like the beginning of building arousal, but I consciously relaxed away from it.
Jack> How did you relax away from it? Were you using the Key Sound™?
rumel> Hence my dilemma of allowing it to grow or allowing it to fade.
Jack> Or just the single touch plus breathing, or?
rumel> I relaxed out of it with unforced breathing while instructing myself to "just relax".
Jack> I would say the key word is allowing rather than trying to direct it one way or the other. Your conscious mind is the student, your spontaneous responses of the waxing and waning of arousal Echo Effects™ are the Teacher.
Jack> Ok, thanks. Are you saying you were doing breathing only with no stimulation at all during the session?
rumel> No, I was following protocol, touch/caress,intake, KS then 3-4 breaths between.
rumel> The tension would start to occur as an echo effect from the KS.
Jack> Since you said you were enjoying it, did you simply continue with the cycle of caress, KS, two to four relaxing breaths, repeating?
rumel> Yes, I stayed with protocol throughout the session. I just consciously relaxed out of the building abdominal tension being created.
Jack> Note that when you do the erotic or sensual touch you will automatically inhale, so you don't need to make a conscious decision to do so at that point. You just do the caress and let yourself feel the pleasure of it as you articulate the Key Sound, then follow with two to four slow relaxing intentional breaths.
Jack> Well I'd say no worries then, rumel. :)
Jack> Just trust that if you're doing what I just described, nature will take its course over however many practice sessions.
Laly> i agree
rumel> My question stems from the thought that I may be cutting off the path to an orgasm?
Jack> So, no need to be concerned... that of course can drift into Mind Noise if you slip into second guessing what's happening.
Jack> It's just a thought, let it go, continue the Protocol, attend to how you're feeling and where, and on doing that next caress followed straightaway - without hurrying - with the Key Sound, and then the 2 to 4 relaxing breaths, and repeat.
Jack> If you notice yourself being concerned, just relax and let that go too.
Jack> Tune back in to how that next caress feels.
rumel> Okey Dokey:)
rumel> Key Soundey:)
Jack> Yeppey!
Jack> ;)
Laly> lol
Jack> rumel do you have other questions or comments you'd like to share in this round? You of course may certainly have another opportunity this evening, as well.
rumel> No not at the momemt.
Jack> Ok, thanks very much for the question. It's one that comes up for a lot of people.
Jack> Who'd like the Talking Stick next?
Laly> hmmmm
Jack> Translation: who would next like to ask a question or share something?
Laly> i may have one -
Jack> Sure go ahead please.
Laly> not sure how to phrase the question tho
Jack> Take your time then take the plunge, I guess. :)
Laly> please forgive me guys-- tis a female type question
Jack> don't apologize for having a female point of view, please!
Laly> I noticed that about 3-4 days prior to that time of month
Jack> :)
Jack> [smile was re: my female pov stmt]
Laly> my sex drive/hormones are in an increased rev pattern.
Jack> 3-4 days prior, wouldn't that be about the time the hormone balance is shifting?
rumel> Good point Jack, Laly there's reason to apologize for being who you are!
Laly> that is the urge to orgasm is very strong.
Laly> ooo- i think you hit on the question i was gonna pose jack
Jack> [rumel, your slip may be showing]
Laly> if there was a co-relation between the two...
Jack> I'm not an expert for sure, but that's my layperson's understanding. It should be fairly easy to verify on the web.
rumel> That was a curious slip I'll have to think about that one.
Laly> also-- i noticed that arounf this time my echos are the strongest as well.
Jack> Keyphrase such as timing of premenstrual hormone balance changes
Laly> (just read that again rumel )
Laly> also I use the ks method -- regarding the pc muscles to help with the cramps
Jack> I may be mistaken, Laly, but that's my understanding. Perhaps you can do a little research about that and when you get the facts, make a Forum post about it for the benefit of the other women in our community, and to help increase the understanding of this female cycle for men as well.
Laly> much like you mentioned to rumel-- relaxing INTO the tension
Laly> okay jack
Jack> RE: using the KS method to help yourself relieve the cramps, that is DEFINITELY worth a Forum post! I think a LOT of women would be grateful for that observation.
Jack> Thanks for the confirm, Laly, on the efficacy of that approach!
Laly> i think i've already mentioned it-- in forums
Laly> i remember reading about using orgasm in birthing process jack
Jack> Ok, well if you'd like to post it again perhaps with a slightly different subject line, that might make it easier for women searching on that issue to find the information.
Laly> and wondered if the same approach could be used
Laly> okay-- will check on that
Jack> Yeah I remember that too re: birthing process, and of course some women DO report the birthing experience as being intensely orgasmic.
Jack> ok, cool, re: will check.
Jack> Thanks for mentioning this issue!
Laly> yes...
Jack> Anything else you'd like to ask or share?
Laly> and you are welcome.
rumel> I have read anecdotal reports from women who have said orgasms did lessen menstral cramping.
Laly> no -- too tired right now
Laly> sweet rumel
Jack> Great, thanks for that additional confirmation, rumel.
Jack> Ok, is there anything else anyone would like to ask or discuss?
Laly> not from me
rumel> Yes, could we go back to that slip where I dropped out the "no"
Laly> am prepping for next weekend s family constellation workshop
Laly> sure rumel :)
rumel> Why would I think that Laly does have a reason to be apologetic?
Jack> Ok. You have the Talking Stick, rumel.
Jack> What is your answer to your question?
rumel> I'm wondering if there is an unconscious furball rolling around?
Jack> What's your hunch?
rumel> There is something there but I don't what it is right now.
rumel> I think I'
rumel> m going to need some help from my inner guides to find the reason
rumel> This inner sub-conscious world is a mysterious place to go play in.
Laly> yes it is :)
Jack> Sounds like a good plan, rumel. And watch your dream content and spontaneous intuitive flashes... I recommend you gently ask your subconscious to give you more clarity about when you (subconscious) and you (conscious) are both ready and able to hear it.
Jack> And/or see it, as the answer may occur visually.
Jack> I really want to applaud your taking interest in it and not just ignoring it or minimizing. That shows a lot of emotional integrity, imho.
Laly> i agree
rumel> I am on a journey of self discovery just like Laly, I know there is a lot of emotional garbage that just needs to get tossed to find the real me.
rumel> This KSMO journey has started that process of getting rid of the garbage.
Jack> Way to wade in and start shovelling! That takes a lot of courage, in addition to a great deal of personal integrity. It's as they say: non-trivial. :)
Jack> Yep, compost the emotional garbage, Brother. Transform it into fertilizer for further growth and personal evolution.
Jack> Do you ever work with a counselor, rumel?
rumel> It is amazing how much garbage our culture pounds into us, but what is sad is it starts before we have a disciplined mind to filter the garbage.
rumel> Re : counselor - No why do you ask?
Jack> I think that's because our culture in its current form has a big investment (emotionally AND financially) in promoting those kinds of attitudes, and the media flood is saturated with it. Much of it quite subliminal.
Jack> RE: counselor, just thinking that it might be a productive issue to explore with a counselor, even on just a short-term basis. Especially a properly-trained, highly-skilled, and clinically supervised woman counselor.
rumel> What is the issue you are referring to?
Jack> The emotional garbage to which you were referring.
rumel> Hmmm. something to think about for sure.
rumel> I would like to work through this stuff on my own if I can.
Jack> Yeah, as a means of supporting your commitment to further exploring your personal truth and emotional healing. And like I said, it needn't necessarily mean long-term therapy or the like. Of course I have no way of assessing that. It would be between you and the clinician assisting you.
rumel> I can see that I have been making progress in the past year.
Laly> ok-- am off to bed
rumel> Good night Laly.
Jack> I understand the desire to work through it on your own, and if that works for you that's great. I just wanted to mention what I did FYI, just so you would have it in mind as an option.
Laly> thanks rumel-- good wishes n luck on the emotional garbage dumping :)
Jack> Good night Laly, Sweet Dreams and thanks for being here this weekend, for both chats!
Jack> Or composting. :)
Laly> thank you jack-- it was an immense pleasure
Jack> You're quite welcome, as always, Laly!
Laly> *big smile
rumel> I like the idea of composting the garbage, we do that in our backyard now, we've got a health, happy flock of worms working for us.
Jack> Ok... is there anything else for this evening or are we wrapped?
rumel> That's a wrap, good night Jack, thanks for proposing other options for me.
Jack> BTW, in the next day or two I'll be posting an update to the Joomla! thread.
rumel> Oh, Jack flash of insight just now.
Jack> You're quite welcome, rumel thanks for being here and sharing so authentically. You rock, Dude!
Jack> Have a great week!
rumel> I did see a counselor about 20 years ago after my divorce.
rumel> She pointed out to me that I had a tendency to over respect women.
rumel> I'm thinking this slip may be related to that.
Jack> Very well could be. And of course a lot (or a little) may change in 20 years' worth of living life.
rumel> I just realized I have a bit of anger/resentment for my ex that was still hanging around.
rumel> I need to let that kind of garbage go!
Jack> Good on ya for recognizing that!
rumel> Ok , I'm good for the night, thanks again.
Jack> That process of letting go may require some emotional abreaction in addition to intellectual changes or insights.
Jack> Again, you are very welcome rumel, take care!
Jack> ***** END Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 2009011 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
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ruomsey> hi mog, happy new year...
mog> Hi Ruomsey! HNT to U too! Are you a newcomer here?
mog> No - not that new, I see. How's progress?
ruomsey> well I have been doing it, ksmo, for some time now. I think I am adept but that's only my opinion.
mog> Ah yes - I see you have blogged profusely already. If you are adept at producing multiples at will you qualify, certainly.
mog> Are you getting into the Zone yet?
mog> I haven'y bologged for a few weeks - I've been too busy with my sessions!
mog> Whee! - my typos!
ruomsey> I think I get to the zone, in fact I'm sure I do. End up a sweaty smelly mess with no ejac which is the object. In fact I very seldom ejaculate and never while having a session.
ruomsey> Must go and get something out of the freezer for my better half. She is on this de-tox diet, started to day after the excesses of the festive season...
ruomsey> I think I've been doing ksmo for about 3 years now. I must say I really enjoy it, perhaps I'm an addict.
mog> An addict - that's great! Me too!
mog> 'Bye for now.
Epicurien> Hi mog
Epicurien> oups, gotta go
rumel> I am curious if there exist any statistics regarding the number of people who have reported successful attainment of multiple orgasms as a result of purchasing the KSMO protocol versus the number of people who have purchased it but gave up before achieving any successful outcome. I understand there can not be any expected time line for successful attainment of this lifelong skill, but has Jack or anyone attempted to survey any purchasers who are not active participants to the Forum/Chats and asc
rumel> and ascertain their levels of progress or why they think they have not been successful?
rumel> It occurs to me this process is as much therapy as it is learning a mental skill, as such, resolving issues and healing emotional wounds are requisite parts of the process for progress to occur. I think it is wonderful that Jack offers his insightful council in helping to resolve these issues and often suggests people seek further counseling when issues appear deeper or more significant than can be resolved via a Chat line. Jack, I think you are a real cyber-pioneer with your site and the work b
rumel> ... work being done here.
Smithie> success stories
Session stop: Sat Jan 17 20:38:08 2009