Session start: Sun Jan 4 00:03:59 2009
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Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20090110 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi Andrea!
moregasm> Hello. First time in this chat. Anybody there?
moregasm> My question is about relaxing between Key Sounds during the protocol: *how much* to relax? There is a certain amount of tension that seems to want to build naturally, and sometimes it feels like I've killed it off by "over relaxing," and I have to start over. Any clues?
Jack> Hey moregasm, WELCOME!!! You've selected a GREAT username, LOL. :)
moregasm> Hey, Jack. Thanks! Your work is amazing, BTW.
Laly> (hi everyone)
moregasm> I have experience in some styles of meditation and kung fu, and I have found only a few people globally with your sense of innovation and candor!
Jack> Thanks very much! I'll be happy to answer your question, and I'd like to know what is it particularly about this method that you find particularly amazing?
Jack> Hi Laly! Welcome and Happy New Year!!!
Jack> That's very kind of you to say, moregasm, thanks!
Laly> thanks Jack
Jack> Laly, as an expert veteran of using the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, what suggestions do you have for moregasm?do you have any comments and suggestions
moregasm> I am talking about the way you seem to have discovered this technique, and what you've chosen to do with it, plus the way you handle training and coaching and the connections to various other disciplines. As for the method, I am such a beginner that I don't think I can comment on it yet. But the sensations so far are wonderful!
Laly> oh oh- did you see that jack ... moregasms comment??
Jack> Thanks mg!
Jack> which comment, Laly?
Laly> "I am such a beginner that i dont think i can comment"
Jack> btw, moregasm, I hope you'll give a brief introduction of yourself, while preserving anonymity of course. For example, any of the following, but of course ONLY what you choose to share: Your age, gender, orientation, marital status, what drew you to the practice of the Key Sound Multiple Orgasm™ aka KSMO practice.
moregasm> Hi, Laly. Seen lots of your posts. Thanks for sharing so much.
moregasm> Sure, Jack. Sorry, I have little Internet chat experience, so I'm feeling out of sync trying to type along with everyone!
Jack> Thanks Laly, no worries... moregasm... Beginner's Mind is actually considered to be a real benefit in Zen practice, for example, so fear not!
Laly> thanks moregasms--it means quite a lot--
Jack> For example, see: http://www.intrex.net/chzg/hartman4.htm
Laly> 38, female, single,KSMO adept of 4 years now,
moregasm> So, my background: been interested in "internal" disciplines such as meditation, self-hypnosis, etc. (and of course SEX!) life-long, eventually led me to internal styles of kung fu that have a strong meditation component and related sexual practices (though I haven't been a student of the various sexual aspects).
moregasm> I don't remember how I found KSMO, but I signed up immediately after finding your site. I am male, 39, I think I started the protocol nearly a year ago but very off-and-on, probably total practice of a few months but not more than 2-3 weeks in a row.
moregasm> I have a terrible habit of going off the path! Most of the time I have not made the sound but experimented with various floating feelings, etc. Now, I am ON PROTOCOL, determined to find out how this really works!
Jack> Thanks Laly and mg. MG, that is a PERFECT background for this practice! RE: Timing, it's fine to take it slow, at the pace that feels right to you.
Jack> re: really works. LOL you're certainly not the only one that has followed the Winding Path to this practice! :D
Laly> i agree,,, i guess a question comes to mind first that i'd like to ask moregasm before I offer comments
moregasm> Yes, beginner's mind. Heard it often, still gets me every time! What a hard simple thing!
Laly> that is how do you know that you are relaxing more than you should and throwing you off track mg??
moregasm> So, any hints on "how much" to relax?
moregasm> Oops, out of sync again! Sorry, Laly.
Laly> this is just for me k-- everyone is different
Jack> Yes indeed, re: Beginner's Mind. Have you read Abbess Hartman's article on Beginner's Mind? It's brief and wonderful.
Jack> Wow that's a GREAT question, Laly, spot ON!
Laly> usually i take about 10-20 minutes before my ksmo session and turn everything off : lights, tv, anything distracting
moregasm> So, I do the protocol, and nice feelings begin to build, and suddenly I notice *tons* of tension mounting in the lower abdomen, even though I felt like I was relaxing between the sounds, so next breath I go for lots of relaxing, and all the nice feelings disappear! Bad? Good? Or should I quit wondering whether it's bad or good?
Laly> mg-- no you weren't - actually got us back to topic :)
Laly> simply put-- quit thinking :)
Laly> just feel--
Laly> echo effects or those "nice feelings" will ebb and flow
Laly> that is not remain constant for a long time
Laly> in the beginning of practices
Laly> nor will they appear in the same way all the time
moregasm> What got me thinking was talk of "automatic" sensations and movement. I get shivers, rocking, etc. Obviously don't want to inhibit those by "relaxing." So, it makes me wonder about the internal tensions as well, but as you say I should probably quit wondering. I'm an over-analyzer. Just would hate to find out after 6 months that I did it wrong!
Laly> if you are focusing so much on the tension-- you just may be missing something that is happening elsewhere
Laly> bah!!! --
Laly> the only "Wrong" thing is doing or making KS incorrectly.
moregasm> Ha! Ok, I think I'm ready to quit worrying about it. I'll try to record my KS for Jack.
Laly> whoo hoooo!!! awesome
moregasm> and review the 2nd seminar, which I also bought on day zero.
Laly> great :)... i still listen to that from time to time
moregasm> Well, that was my big question. Thanks for your help, Laly and Jack!! I'll lurk for a while in the "audience" here.
Laly> I do hope that you will post about your experiences mg :)
Laly> you are welcome mg
Jack> Thanks Laly for your sage advice, and moregasm for your great questions.
Jack> I'd also add
moregasm> Again, Jack, tremendous work. Accepting people's KS audio on the web was a tremendous move too. I know a few people like you who are committed to truly sharing their knowledge with an open desire to see it grow and become better and better, non-dogmatic, etc. So thanks for setting up this entire community.
Jack> that it can be helpful to hold the notion of allowing as part of that relaxation.
moregasm> Laly, I hope to find some time for my little blog corner. Maybe I can get some of those wanderer types like me to get back on the path! Thanks for all your intense sharing too, Laly. I have turned to your posts many times.
Jack> That is just allow whatever sensations and movements want to occur, as Laly mentioned, and to be aware that ebb and flow is the natural rhythm of life.
Jack> Thanks very much for your kind words, and your enthusiasm and commitment, moregasm!
moregasm> "Allowing" helps. Perhaps there's "passive relaxing" and "active relaxing"? Perhaps I am overdoing the relaxation (irony intended!). So, I'll quit worrying about and just "allow" the relaxation.
Laly> *begins to cry , thanks mg
Jack> THAT'S the Ticket, mg!
moregasm> Cool. Everyone, have a great day, weekend, and next week. I'm going into lurk mode now. :)
Laly> as for my intense posting-- it was my intention at the time. not just for me as a healing method
Laly> but for those who would come to KSMO after and see it as well
Laly> at the time== very few females were actively involved- so it was like --
Laly> cutting a path in the dense jungle :)
Laly> i.e. that is life and the mind can get cluttered with so much crap
Laly> KSMO gave me the chance to truly find myself.
Laly> not what parents wanted of me,, or what tv said i should be
Laly> but to find "me"- clear out all the garbage until it was just me and only me.
moregasm> Yes, Laly. That "other side" of KSMO (beyond the pursuit of pleasure) lends depth and credibility, helps people recommit to practice, reminds us that there is a lot of power beyond the words in the protocol ... your courage to share all that is tremendous.
Jack> I totally agree with that, moregasm! Laly, how would you say you're doing with your just me and only me goal, Laly?
Laly> a few hiccups now and then, but good.
Jack> Yeah that's how it seems from here, Laly... That you're doing GREAT and that, as they say: You've come a LONG way, Baby! :)
Laly> experiencing some things that I am unable to explain or reasonout just yet
Laly> that "why me and why now" mind trap seems to want to sneak in.
Jack> Well if you've learned anything, you've certainly learned the Power of Patience in your practice and personal growth process!
Laly> much like mg said-- over analyizing --
Laly> awww *blushing
Jack> :D
Laly> *twinkle in eye as she smiles
Jack> BTW, hey moregasm, I know you're in lurk mode, but I'm wondering if you've had a chance to browse through our discussion about the Joomla! Content Management System aka CMS that we'll be adding soon?
Laly> anything more about that Jack??
Jack> Yes...
Laly> k- will have to go check it out
Jack> I'll be posting more details as an update to the Joomla thread a little later today.
Laly> sweet :)
Jack> Here is the link to the Joomla introductory description.
moregasm> Just read your Beginner's Mind link, Jack. Nice! New angles to ponder ...
moregasm> Yes, the Joomla move is exciting.
Laly> i agree mg
moregasm> I don't have concrete suggestions, but any way of making it easier to dig in to all the info here is GREAT! I will watch the Joomla board for your news.
Laly> this coming from a computer geek
Laly> 's point of mind/view
moregasm> Laly, you're a computer geek? Me too.
Laly> mg...oh yeah -- at work they come to me when there's a problem
Jack> i.e. Laly's the Resident Geek at her job. :D
Laly> LOL
Jack> Of course, sometimes the uninitiated masses don't understand that Geek is a term of RESPECT! But WE know! :D
Laly> yes we do...
moregasm> Yeah, Jack, from your talk of Joomla templates, I was guessing you're also in the Geekdom. I started coding at age nine!
Laly> whoooaaa baby :).
Jack> OMG, mg!
Jack> When I was 9 there wasn't even MS-DOS!
Jack> I'm a GREYbeard! :D
Laly> OHHH ms-dos!! oh yeah :)
Laly> that was MY era /point of learning
Laly> oh fond memories of those 5 " floppy dics
Laly> in fact still have one of those computers here :)
Laly> n she works still too
moregasm> "My first time" (LOL!) was AppleSoft BASIC on a II+. Simple stuff naturally, big fan of 40x40 pixels in 16 colors!
Jack> Ohhh yeah!
Laly> :)
Jack> My first 'puter was an Apple and it's mass storage device was a cassette tape recorder! They hadn't even released the 5.24 inch floppy drives yet! :D
Laly> ooo wow
Jack> Do locate anything in storage you'd have to sit and wait for the tape deck either fast forward or rewind to the location of where the data was written on the tape!
Laly> yeah i remember that-
moregasm> I've always been in love with sound. I used to *listen* to those cassette tapes! :rolleyes:
Jack> [s/b: To, not Do ]
Jack> Wow!
Jack> Well kids, now that we've taken a trip down Memory Lane, is there anything else you'd like to discuss about KSMO, or are we about wrapped for this chat? :)
Laly> am good here :)
Jack> k, thanks Laly!
moregasm> Hey, this was great! So glad I could make it. Family members are getting back home right NOW, so I'm due back in the real world.
Jack> How about you, mg?
moregasm> Thanks to you both!
moregasm> Yeah, I'm good with all.
Jack> Ok, then we'll roll up for now. Next chat starts in about 7 hours, at 0200 GMT. Perhaps we'll see you again there. If not, have a great weekend and I'll see you in the blogs and Forum posts!
Jack> Thanks very much to both of you for what you've shared today!
Laly> thank you Jack :)
Laly> am glad i was able to make it
moregasm> yes, thanks. Won't be able to make the next one (rarely can!). See you forums, etc.
Laly> and mg-- feel free to pop over to my profile and ask questions if you have any k
Jack> You're quite welcome, and I'm very glad you made it, also, moregasm, see in the Forums, etc. Check out the Joomla threads.
Jack> Bye All for now!
Laly> bye
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat for 20090110
Session stop: Sat Jan 10 18:55:04 2009