Session start: Sun Dec 14 00:56:09 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20081213
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081214 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hello!
Drew> Hiya.
Laly> Hi Jack.
Laly> Hi Drew, abelian.
Jack> How about begin by everyone doing a brief self-introduction that may but not need include age marital status gender orientation time you've been practicing the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™, where you believe you are in that learning process and what you'd like from this evening's discussion. How about we start with who I believe is our newest newbie present, abelian! Bust feel free to proceed in any order. Brief introduction please.
Jack> Please begin, abelian or someone. Thanks! :)
Laly> Female, 37 soon to be 38, single, ksmo adept- 3 yrs practicing
Drew> Phew, the pace is scintillating! However will we keep this up? :rolleyes:
Jack> By just ALLOWING, Sir Drew! ;)
Laly> where I am now-- beyond the physical aspects of KSMO-now on the spiritual journey of it.
Drew> 47/M/13Yrs practicing
Buster> Male, 48, practicing 1.5 years. Only an observer tonight. Had good question/answer with the group this afternoon.
rumel> 61, coupled, strait, practicing for a couple of months now
Jack> abelian you're likewise welcome to check in with whatever you like, or not at this time... This discussion and sharing is by mutual consent.
Jack> Who'd like the Talking Stick?
Laly> i would if no one minds-- about to fade out .
rumel> I would like to offer the talking stick to abelian.
rumel> or Laly
Laly> if abelian wishes-- may have it :) .
Jack> That's very gracious, rumel... :) Since Laly's let us know her energy is flagging let's pass it to her. Go ahead please Laly.
rumel> Go for it Girl!:)
Laly> thanks
Laly> well Jack and Drew know some of this story, but I'll do brief summary
Laly> For a # of yrs I was abused as a child n later raped..left me so badly scarred
Laly> that mere hugging someone had me shaking in fear
Laly> the thought of being "physical" with someone-- even family.
Laly> I have been doing really well in my ability to overcome/adapt to that fear
Laly> but last month -- attended workshop-- where I couldnt hug anyone...which left me in a depression and even berating self for days afterwards.
Laly> I'd begun believing that I had lost all the courage and successes I had made to this date.
Laly> (sorry wiping tears here) * takes deep breath
Laly> Instead , I now see this as an opportunity -
Laly> instead of being a furball or terror at the gate thing
Jack> That's GREAT, Laly!
Laly> something to embrace rather than be afraid of
rumel> I think you took charge of your own space and time and choice of interaction.
Laly> Thanks.
rumel> Yes embrace, your sense of authority to choose for yourself.
Laly> Yes, exactly rumel- altho at the time it didn't "feel" that way.
rumel> Perhaps you see being a loving person as open to all, but that isn't necessarily so.
Laly> felt like a "failure" cause I couldnt do it.
rumel> There is no reason to feel failure for believing in yourself.
Laly> well there are a few other things that happened that i havent shared rumel
Laly> at this workshop- I had "visions"
Laly> could see n feel what other people were thinking-- projecting out.
Jack> [Rumel, thanks for your supportive comments, and your caution about not necessarily being open to all is sage and very prudent advice, imho!]
Laly> quite a shock to me and my system for sure.
Laly> was quite accidental-- this telepathy- or whatever u wanna call it.
Laly> IMO_ i think that this is partly the reason I was hesitant in hugging at the end of the workshop
Laly> afraid that I'd "pick up" more.
Jack> What would you like from our group here this evening, Laly?
rumel> I think you were quite right to protect yourself in a time of empathic vulnerability, especially since you were not prepared for the onslaught.
Jack> I sure second THAT, rumel!
rumel> Your deeper sense of self worth knew to withdraw.
Jack> Close enough to see clearly and deal with successfully... Yet far enough away to do so comfortably and safely.
Jack> That's the Sweet Zone of Personal Power in Balance.
rumel> Yup
Laly> yes, as far what I'd like-- not sure Jack
Laly> still reeling from the experience. == processing it.
Jack> Laly I hope you'll take a close look at that sentence I just wrote, and please don't overlook the second part. :)
Laly> surely not a place I had ever expected to be-- as far as KSMO goes.
Jack> The sentence that started with Close enough....
Laly> I read it Jack...
Laly> and I agree.
rumel> Laly, I get the feeling you are a little conflicted about knowingly closing yourself down when your heart wants to be open.
rumel> but I think you acted properly in protecting yourself.
Jack> Rumel, I'm wondering if there might be an alternative word choice in describing the action she took, other than framing it as closing yourself down. What do you think?
Laly> exactly rumel.
Laly> no Jack-- he is right!
rumel> How about establishing a respectable protective envelop
Jack> I agree, Rumel about her self-protection was proper action... self-care. AND self-respect.
Laly> *cries, shakily lays down talking stick.
Jack> Thanks very much for sharing with us how your healing is going on that VERY big issue, Laly. I think you did GREAT in a VERY challenging situation!
Jack> Does anyone else have anything they'd care to add, before some else takes up the Talking Stick?
Jack> Ok... Thanks again Laly! Who'd like the Talking Stick? Who has a question or something they'd like to share?
rumel> Did we chase abelian away?
Laly> YW jack
Buster> Not me. Just observing here tonight.
rumel> I have a question.
Jack> I don't know. Sometimes people like to just observe, and kind of get comfortable with people before speaking up. That's fine with me.
Jack> Yes please go ahead rumel.
rumel> Does anyone have any good tips for getting one's ego to surrender control of the mind so that the sub conscious can more readily direct the orgasmic flow of energy?
rumel> Helping to shut down the "mind noise".
Jack> REALLY good question, rumel!
rumel> I know meditative practices do this pretty well, and I use those.
Buster> I gotta say rumel, that is a great question!
rumel> Focusing on breathing helps too.
Laly> yes - 2 very good one rumel...
rumel> and I use that too but sometimes I just wish he'd go off on a little trip and come back in a few hours so I could enjoy myself more.
Laly> how about this--when this pops up , say " thank you for sharing and I now release you to be free."
rumel> OK, Laly but then the question arises release to where?
rumel> He is me, within me and a valuable part of me but is not the most of me.
Laly> just out- into space- the wide open-- mother nature-- great outdoors??
rumel> My higher quiet self just smirks and says he's a petulant child with control issues.
rumel> The great outdoors is where my higher self loves to dwell.
Laly> ahh...yes very familiar territory for me... been there myself
Laly> re: child n issues
rumel> I think this is an issue that is an issue for a good number of Aneros users as well.
rumel> I know it impacts my KSMO sessions too.
Buster> Alright, I have to pipe in here.....it is like you are standing at the edge of a cliff and you know that you will not kill yourself, but you just can't seem to jump off.
rumel> OK let's hear the suggestions.
Laly> if i may
rumel> Yes that analogy rings true.
rumel> but it is not a "Terror at the Gates" issue.
Laly> just my perception rumel-- but I think the child is trying to get your attention
Laly> some niggling lil issue that is crying for attention
Laly> and he'll keep coming back-- until you really listen to it
Jack> Also, here's a Google Site Search of this site on the expression Empty Cup as in Bringing an Empty Cup of Expectations to the Practice. It's a basis for developing an exquisitely intimate relationship with that quiet Inner Guru that has a VERY Big Gift for us when we relax our ego enough to be the Student.
rumel> could be a furball in hiding?
Laly> it may be rumel.... or your subconscious trying to tell you something isn't kosher
rumel> I think what I am asking about is good methods for emptying the cup.
Laly> For you I cannot answer that-- for me-- I would sit down and talk with the inner child
Jack> Rumel that's great! Hitting that link and reading those discussions can become part of that emptying process. :)
Laly> allow it a voice-imo-
rumel> Laly, I do talk with the inner child, but this is a case of the ongoing inner dialogue being monopolized on occasion.
Jack> I agree with Laly, rumel... develop an active dialogue relationship with your Inner Child, and learn to LISTEN to what HE's trying to tell YOU, and to TEACH you... And do similar with your Inner Guru. Those Empty Cup discussion posts can be part of that.
Laly> on his part - or yours? re: monoply
Jack> VG Question Laly! ;)
rumel> :) It is all the inner parts of me, my onion of consciousness, trying to get totally integrated I think.
Laly> and the "peeling" of the layers to find center- that frightening thought or??
rumel> No, Laly that is not a frightening thought, I am very curious about what lies at that heart.
Jack> That resonates, rumel... That said, I think those two aspects, your Inner Child AND your Inner MultiOrgasmic Guru - the one who KNOWs where the process is going and who is GUIDING it, are both worthy of your particular effort in developing a relationship of LISTENING and acting on their whispers.
rumel> I think it may be enlightenment.
rumel> Yes, I must pay close attention to the whispers they do contain wonderful messages.
Laly> :)
Jack> I just sensed an energy shift in your relationship to this practice, rumel!
Jack> AND in your relationship with your Inner Selves, the aspects of your consciousness who KNOW this practice, who are speaking from the DNA code that CARRIES this knowledge.
Jack> It was my developing my relationship with those aspects of myself that ALLOWED them to give me the Gift of this Discovery.
rumel> Sometimes it seems like my inner beings are just teasing me with their knowledge but they don't want to let my ego in on the secrets they hold.
rumel> I will just have to trust that it will all be revealed at the appropriate time.
Laly> yes
Jack> LOL TRUST was the word I was typing when I saw your last line appear! :D
Buster> When you are ready probably.
Laly> k - i am off to dreamland...
Jack> ...And to learn to TRUST THEM as conscious entities - what I call Id Entities - who dwell within you.
Jack> K, Laly, Sweet Dreams!
Buster> 'nite Laly.
rumel> Laly thanks for sharing and reminding me to talk with my inner child, good night.
Laly> YW rumel (HUGS)
Drew> Night,
Jack> Rumel, it's sometimes hard not to get impatient with them, to say aw c'mon quit being coy and just TELL me, SHOW me! Etc. but there's a shift that needs to take place... one of acceptance. It's hard to give it a lot of words even. But it IS an authentic intimate trusting human relationship with the Inner sub-personalities that have carried the information
Jack> and the learning to you, down through the generations of DNA.
Jack> I hope what we've offered tonight is in some way helpful and encouraging for you, rumel.
rumel> Yes, exactly, I hear what you are saying, this process of coming into ones own mind free of enculturation is not easy.
rumel> I have been encouraged by you and the members of this forum and appreciate the input.
Jack> EXACTLY that, rumel, imho... That trance-ending that enculturation is a BIG part of the challenge!
rumel> Yup
Jack> re: encouraged... I'm VERY glad to hear that... you are QUITE welcome!
Jack> I feel your shifting even in our discussion tonight as extending your Empty Cup of authentic openness.
Jack> I look forward to your posts as you read through the earlier posts in our archive where we've discussed the Empty Cup.
Jack> Feel free to post replies directly to any threads that move you to, no matter what the original date.
Jack> The information is timeless so it's great when you add another stitch to the thread.
Jack> Ok! Is there anything else you'd like before passing the Talking Stick?
rumel> No, I think I've talked enough for now.
Jack> Ok rumel, that was really great riff!
Jack> Who else would like the Talking Stick this evening?
Jack> Anyone else, or are we wrapped for this evening?
Buster> Not me. I think I am going to check out for the evening. Good night all.
Jack> BOTH chats this weekend have been VERY good, btw!
Drew> Just a quick word to say, "HI"
Jack> Good night Buster and Sweet Dreams. It's always a great pleasure to have you here.
rumel> Good night Buster, Thanks for all the good chat today!
Jack> Hey Drew! Thanks for being here tonight, and helping us hold the container of this sharing space!
Drew> Good night and good luck on your journey, rumel.
Jack> Have a great week everyone, and a great holiday season!
Drew> Night, Buster.
rumel> Hi Drew and thank you the journey continues to amaze.
Jack> Next chats will be Saturday the 27th and Sunday the 28th GMT, unless there's a last minute schedule change. Things
rumel> Good Night Jack, thanks for the insights.
Jack> can be in a bit of flux during the Holly Days. :)
Jack> Good night All!!!
Jack> You're very welcome rumel! Take care and LISTEN and IN-JOY!
Jack> Trance End, Dance!
Jack> ***** END of the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081214 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
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Jack> Hey roderik, nice to see you in the Forum! We had two good chats this weekend, one transcript is in the ChatBox sub-forum, and the other is in the Current ChatBox Archives. Happy Holly Days!
roderik> You too Jack!
Jack> Hey there, Justn_Otherguy - nice to see you again! How goes your practice? What questions can I answer for you?
Justn_Otherguy> Hello and good to see you again too, Jack! Practice has been proceeding nicely though it seems I've been a little overzealous with my practice sessions.
Justn_Otherguy> Also lately I read a forum post somewhere about imagining erotic energy travelling up my spine as I inhale and then picturing it coming out the top of my head as I exhale and trying to relax into the following pleasure. I can now feel orgasmic sensations beginning at the base of my spine and moving up into the small of my back.
Justn_Otherguy> I was wondering at what point does one move past the recommended max of 3 times per week to just whenever it feels right?
Jack> I'm very glad to hear your reports!
Jack> I'm also noting where you expressed a possible concern about being overzealous, but then asking about practicing more than 3 times per week.
Jack> Do you ever feel the energy moving up your spine and higher than the small of your back?
Justn_Otherguy> I have felt things I never dreamed the human body was capable of. I'm naturally eager to see how deep the rabbit hole goes, but I also understand patience. The question has been on my mind for awhile.
Jack> Sure! It's a very common question! :)
Justn_Otherguy> It has slowly grown over the last few days from just an intensely orgasmic spot on my tailbone.
Jack> VERY COOL!
Justn_Otherguy> Very cool indeed. :D
Jack> This is where people VERY OFTEN slip into the GO FOR IT mode, and I sense there's some of that in your question - QUITE UNDERSTANDABLY!
Justn_Otherguy> I try to limit myself to a session no more than every other day, preferably every 2 days, but sometimes I just can't help myself; the erotic energy wants release.
Jack> And you can certainly try that to learn something new about yourself. I'm not an Orgasm Cop! LOL.
Jack> When you say the erotic energy wants release. How do you plan to release it? Through ejaculation, or some other way?
Justn_Otherguy> I'm starting to slip from "go for it" mode to a more relaxed, accepting frame of mind. I'm also trying to steer that energy into the KS rather than my genitals.
Jack> That sounds VERY GOOD!
Justn_Otherguy> I have felt less desire to go for ejaculation lately
Jack> There is definitely strong pressure for your breathing to become more rapid and shallow at times like these.
Justn_Otherguy> Yes, I can feel energy mostly in through my chest and abdomen. Sometimes in and around my prostate.
Jack> Yet, there may be even more surprises waiting for you at such times, by slowing your breathing down a little more, and relaxing a little more... that actually OPENS THE GATES WIDER.
Justn_Otherguy> And now lately up my spine when I do those meditation exercises I described to you.
Jack> RE: Chest and abdomen... that sounds GREAT!
Jack> That shows that you're really starting to AWAKEN the energy THROUGHOUT your body.
Justn_Otherguy> Good to know. I'm also still playing around with the mirror exercise and the latest one I definitely felt the Echo Effects increase in intensity.
Jack> Oh that's really great that you're doing the mirror exercise! That's great practice for sharing this process with a consensual partner when the time is right for you.
Justn_Otherguy> I have surprisingly become less interested in nipple stimulation. I can still get amazing sensations, but I'd rather the process be as passive as possible.
Jack> Likewise a great milestone in that you're not depending on more stimulation for higher arousal. You've really turned a corner on that one!
Justn_Otherguy> Speaking of partners ... I have mentioned this and tried to include my SO in on this, but she seems reluctant to try. She listened to the seminar, but wasn't comfortable with the KS.
Jack> You're getting into the zone where other pleasurable experiences such as listening to great music, viewing wonderful art, gorgeous natural scenes e.g. sunsets, moonrises, etc. can also trigger these intense responses.
Justn_Otherguy> I'm currently wondering who all I can tell about this, because it seems a shame that such pleasure is available to everyone and yet due to the taboos we have on discussing this sort of thing I'm unable to bring myself to do so and it's frustrating.
Jack> RE: her not being comfortable with the Key Sound™, it's very understandable. It can seem kind of strange at first.
Jack> RE: whom to tell... That's one of the reasons I have this Forum... where you CAN express yourself freely about it! :D
Justn_Otherguy> This is a wonderful outlet, and I'm thankful for it and for all you've done to make this possible, but I have an urge to talk about it face to face with people I know.
Jack> To the average Joe or Josephine, they have been SO hyped by all kinds of sex-related scams and hustles that there's a bit of shell shock they gotta get past. And of course, it's REALLY important
Jack> to only share this with people who consent to hearing about it. Because of the energy behind it, and the nature of that energy, it can trigger some pretty strong feelings in them, and if they have not been oriented towards emotional growth, in particular, it can be very upsetting to them.
Justn_Otherguy> I don't plan to force it on anyone, but it would be nice to share it.
Jack> Yes EXACTLY! RE: Talking about it with people you know... There's a communication model I use, from an author named Whitfield, called Share Check Share.
Justn_Otherguy> I remember a transcript where that was mentioned.
Jack> Charles Whitfield. Gimme a second here while I do a quick search of our archives.
Jack> Yeah here we go. In our Google Site Search box, put in quotes: "share check share" and you'll get two pages of links to discussions about this. Also, at the bottom of the second page there's a notice (a feature I haven't yet learned how to disable) that says links to similar posts have been omitted. But then
Jack> there is a link you can click to get the rest of the links. Sometimes it's just a few more, but sometimes quite a few.
Justn_Otherguy> Quite a few. I'll have to look at them later when I have more time.
Jack> You can also do that same search in quotes on regular, web-wide Google[ and get more general yet helpful discussions about it.
Jack> Yes re: quite a few references.
Justn_Otherguy> Yep, Google is my friend. :)
Jack> RE: with your SO, if I may ask, (feel free NOT to answer any given question I may ask!)... have you two been sexually intimate lately?
Justn_Otherguy> We are intimate approx. 2-3 times a week.
Jack> Has she been noticing any differences in that experience with you, since you've started your KSMO awakenings?
Justn_Otherguy> On at least 2 separate occasions, I have been so overcome with raw animal passion that I was unable to restrain myself. That is quite a deviation from my normal routine.
Jack> How did she respond to that change?
Justn_Otherguy> We haven't discussed it a lot, but she enjoyed it. I am normally pretty reserved, but this practice is allowing me to express myself more openly.
Jack> Ok, that's really great news that she enjoyed your new enthusiasm! :)
Justn_Otherguy> There have been times when a laugh has literally leaped from my throat with very little provocation.
Jack> OMG!!! :D :D
Jack> Welcome to Laughgasms! ;)
Justn_Otherguy> I think if my chakras were all aligned properly I would be a very happy outspoken individual and I'm getting a peek at that person more and more every day.
Jack> YEAH Brother! That's great!
Jack> And the thing is, it's important not to hurry that process... It's important to give both you AND HER a chance to integrate these changes a little at time, since they are so profound!
Justn_Otherguy> And I owe it mostly to you, Jack. Thanks yet again. I need to go get ready for work now. I hope to talk with you again.
Jack> Ok! It's been GREAT talking with you again. Maybe you can come to the chats once in a while. And DO update your blog here as well.
Jack> Have a good day at work!
Jack> You're very welcome! I hope you'll spread the word in other appropriate venues/sites that you visit on the web.
Justn_Otherguy> Thanks, I'll try. Blogging is not something that comes natural to me. Take care!
Jack> You too... Bye for now!!!
Laly> hi anerosmith
Laly> just replied to your post :)
Laly> hiiiii
Laly> How are you doing rumel?
anerosmith> hi laly
anerosmith> can i just say thanks for your input on the "how it works" thread
anerosmith> i had the most intense sexual experience of my life last night
anerosmith> I've posted a new thread in the lounge if you would care to look
Laly> awesome to hear anerosmith
Laly> I read your new thread... and WOW!! am sooo happy for you!
Laly> reminds me of when I would have same thing re: # or orgasms...and losing count :)
anerosmith> yeah it was out of this world
Session stop: Sat Dec 20 19:50:52 2008