Session start: Sun Dec 7 13:22:43 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2008126
Jack> Hi we are still working on the Joomla install. Part of it is in place... but there are some issues getting the bbpixel bridge installed between vBulletin aka The Forum and the Joomla templated areas. I will keep you posted. I am really looking forward to Joomla because it will give Forum regulars the ability to design their own custom layouts to view the content just they way you like it - with alternative templates easily selectable with three mouse clicks: drop down list of templates,
Jack> click which template you want, click the Go button... Voila! The layout changes!
rumel> I just posted another revised KSMO sigil at http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...smo-sigil7.gif you might want to check it out.
Laly> That's great news jack re: template change :).
Laly> rumel-- i like that one-- sook me a minute to figure out was laying down "s" :D
Laly> took -- not sook
Laly> marvelous Mog- hi
mog> Hi again Laly:)
mog> What's all thei Joomla stuff about? Where can I go to look at it?
mog> I expect you MAC hi-fliers know all about it;)
mog> Anyway, sorry to have missed you - it beddy-byes for me now - good night Laly!
Jack> Hey Grandmaster OMG MOG! RE: Joomla, read all about it HERE!
Jack> I will provide an update re: the Joomla install, during the upcoming chat starting in just 11 minutes!
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081213 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Hi Buster, how are you today?
Buster> Hi Jack. It does not show you on.
Jack> Thanks. How about now?
Buster> Still nothing, but no matter. How are you Jack?
Jack> Hmm... what browser are you using?
Buster> Rumel, hlaser99 and I are over on the Aneros site right now talking to a guy about getting started on your program.
Buster> Firefox.
Jack> Cool!
Jack> Will take a look in Firefox.
Buster> There you are!!
rumel> Hi Jack, we're trying to get you a new convert.
Jack> Hey rumel, thanks!
Buster> I have been hitting some stumbling blocks in my practice Jack. I just don't seem to have the patience lately
Jack> Hmm, please refresh my memory. How long has it been since we reviewed your Key Sound™ articulation accuracy?
Buster> What I really need to do is tell myself that I am JUST going to do KSMO say everyother day for a week.
Buster> KS accuracy, we did that about a year ago. I passed with flying colors.
Buster> Nice chat too.
Jack> Great, ok... so assuming that you're good to go on the Key Sound™ articulation, what seems to be the issue?
Jack> Rumel... is it Ok if we pass the Talking Stick to Buster, seems like he has up a head of steam! :)
Buster> Probably that I am not sticking with KSMO only.
rumel> Yes that is perfectly fine with me.
Buster> I hope that "head of steam" is a good thing.
Jack> Thanks rumel! RE: Steam, you bet it is! Nothing like a little enthusiasm for practice!Ok, Buster...
Jack> What's your practice pattern been of late? Mixing Aneros with KSMO or what?
Buster> Is it me or you here?
Buster> Got it......
Jack> ?
Buster> What I will do is the 20 KSMO and I can sense something great but then go for Aneros after that.
Buster> I have had some good sessions, but I am starting to think that I am not doing either of them justice.
Jack> ahhh.
Buster> Does that make sense?
Jack> It sure does!
Buster> What do you suggest, oh Great Leader?
Buster> ...as if I don't know. But I seem to need to hear it.
Jack> It goes back to my old saying: When all else fails (or maybe even a little sooner than that!!!) follow the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™! :D
Jack> Do you recall what the Protocol recommends?
Buster> You are nothing if not predictible. And that is a good thing.
Buster> I can very easily re-visit that which I should do.
Jack> Well I like to be a little surprising SOME of the time! :D
Jack> What's your understanding of what you should do?
Buster> You are. I just need to be beaten back into shape.
Buster> What I need to do is to start with the Key Sounds (tm) in the intervals suggested....
Jack> Or, if not should.... What change in practice behavior might lead to DIFFERENT results?
rumel> Consistent but perhaps not predictable.:)
Buster> with a slight caress on the "inhale"
Jack> LOL Thanks rumel! :)
Jack> Actually, do the caress, and the inhale will happen AUTOMATICALLY.
Buster> I need to do that for at least 20 minutes and then enjoy any echo effects that occur.
Jack> So you don't even have to THINK about the inhale.
Jack> I you are CHOOSING to inhale, that's a different neurological sequence, than if you do the caress, and let the inhale happen AUTOMATICALLY.
Buster> If I were to be consistant, I would not need to even think about it, but I still do.
Jack> The Protocol is based on surfing that AUTOMATIC inhale.
Jack> That is a NON-TRIVIAL distinction.
Jack> So, forget about DOING an inhale.
Buster> You know, it seems as though this is not the first time that I have gotten caught in this inhale/
Buster> I am trying to do this big inhale so I can do the "perfect" KS on the exhale.
Jack> DO the caress, and as soon as you PAUSE the caress, do a gentle, unforced, accurately articulated Key Sound™.
Jack> Ah.
Jack> So you're trying to rig the game a bit, eh? ;)
Buster> Do you think that perhaps, just perhaps that I am trying for too "big" of a KS exhale?
Jack> Oh ye of little faith!
Jack> :D
Buster> re: faith. I have more than you can imagine.
Jack> hmm. I'm skeptical, Buster.
Buster> This is such a great thing that I have just scratched the surface of and I tend to get discouraged after a while.
Jack> Well I think it goes to some misapprehensions that linger, Buster.
Jack> But this is a great opportunity to discuss this issue about the inhale which is VERY IMPORTANT for EVERYONE.
Jack> It goes like this...
Buster> re: misapprehensions - I can't think of any, but who knows?
Jack> The AUTOMATIC pleasure rushes that we're looking for... those globally- ever popular Echo Effects™ - are AUTOMATIC responses.
Jack> You're misapprehension is in your belief that you need to INTENTIONALLY do an inhale.
Jack> THAT misapprehension is getting in your way.
Jack> Did you notice what I just said about the AUTOMATIC inherent nature of the Echo Effects™?
Buster> I try not to be too technical in my approach but maybe I need to be for a while until I get it right.
Buster> Yes, I did notice that.
Jack> No Buster, I don't think you need to be more technical. On the contrary!
Jack> But I DO want to help you UNDERSTAND, the AUTOMATIC nature of the Echo Effects™.
Jack> Ok?
Buster> I have been trying to work of the caress as well.
Buster> Make everything more of a "flow" rather than what it has been.
Jack> Sorry I don't quite understand what you just said, and I didn't experience a response to my last statement and question.
Buster> Sorry Jack, I needed to hit the john and I thought I caught the gist when I got back....
Jack> Ok... take a few moments to slow yourself down.
Buster> I see what you are saying that what needs to happen is that my actions (as well as responses) need to be more automatic.
Jack> Are you all set re: calls of nature and the like?
Jack> Need a little drink of water or anything?
Jack> Let me know, before we continue, as I was sensing distraction,
Jack> and I appreciate your letting me know what's going on.
Buster> No more coffee, that I can tell you.
Jack> Is there anything else grabbing at your attention right now?
Jack> Do you do coffee before you practice?
Buster> Nope. I have the radio playing.
Buster> No, my pracitce is normally an afternoon thing.
Jack> You have the radio playing now, or during practice, or both?
Buster> I have it on now. When I do my practice I normally listen to your 20 minute recording.
Jack> Ok, how about for now you turn off the radio and give yourself and your questions more of your attention? Are you willing to do that?
Buster> Sure. Done.
Buster> Now I am not answering your question, why don't you restate it?
Jack> How about you take a slow breath, and a moment to scroll down and re-read my question?
Jack> Take your time. Slow your breathing down a little.
Buster> What you are trying to get across to me is the nature of the echo effects being more automatic.......
Jack> The Echo Effects™ are ENTIRELY automatic.
Buster> What I was trying to say is that my feeling is that my practice is too technical in nature and NEEDS to be more automatic. I think we are on the same page here.
Buster> Let me try and explain more clearly what I was trying to say....
Jack> When you slow yourself down, and remove distractions, then do a single pleasurable caress followed by a GENTLE and UNFORCED Key Sound™ the Echo Effects™ will happen on their own.
Jack> COOL! Re: your practice needing to be more automatic. Yes on that, we're on the same page! :)
Buster> My sessions consisted of the inhale accompanied by the simple caress followed by a exhale with a Key Sounds enunciation.
Jack> Nope that's a sequence misapprehension.
Buster> What I have tried to do lately is to make the whole movement more fluid.....to have a flow to it.
Jack> There's the rub, bub!
Jack> Yeah that's great re: more fluid. My concern is
Jack> in the intention of trying to make.
Jack> That and the misunderstanding that the inhale is intentional, volitional, that you consciously CHOOSE to do the inhale. That's a misunderstanding of how this works.
Jack> It's a very COMMON misunderstanding I might add!
Jack> So as we work through this, we'll definitely be helping others in their practice as well, OK?
Buster> Ok
Jack> Ah!
Jack> I'm sensing a little energy shift there, B!
Jack> I appreciate your teaching me how to teach you better!
Buster> I certainly hope so!
Jack> More effectively.
Buster> I don't know how good of a student I have been today, but thanks for the compliment.
Jack> Well hoping is one thing, but it implies a DISTANCE from the actual experience.
Jack> RE: Good student... I'd say your concerns are a bit of Mind Noise, and I think that one's a challenge for you. That Slowing Down... Just a little... bit... more...... is a good plan of non-action for you.
Jack> Rumel, I'm wondering what thoughts you might have for our discussion.
Jack> Sometimes I get rather laser focused and I don't mean to exclude you from this discussion!
rumel> I suffer from some of the same conditions Buster is dealing with.
rumel> That was an interesting point about the caress leading to the inhale.
Jack> I really appreciate your sharing that!
rumel> It doesn't happen automatically for me.
rumel> and echo effects seem more random than automatic.
Jack> Rumel when you do the caress, is it pleasurable for you?
rumel> I think that will change as I get more practice time.
rumel> Yes the caress is pleasurable.
Jack> Well if they're appearing to your conscious mind to be random, then they're happening on their own. That doesn't mean RANDOM though, JUST NOT UNDER CONSCIOUS CONTROL.
rumel> Got you.
rumel> That's good though, right?
Jack> Ok, IF the caress IS pleasurable, then I guarantee that you are doing an automatic inhale. It may be less than you think it should be... etc. etc. - but that inhale when pleasure is experienced is wired in.
Jack> Yes, that's GOOD! :D
Jack> Hmm... Buster, are you still with us, here?
rumel> Hi Drew
Buster> For some reason, I got logged out. Yes, I am here.
Jack> Hi Drew! I've been talking with Buster and rumel, and suddenly Buster seems to have disappeared.
Drew> OMG, I had NO IDEA there was a chat right now! Hi y'all.
Jack> Ah there he is! Welcome back, Buster.
Jack> Drew, yeah check the countdown clock at the top of the Forum home page! :D
rumel> Hi even
Jack> Likewise, Warm Welcome to even as well!
Buster> "Ok, IF the caress IS pleasurable, then I guarantee that you are doing an automatic inhale. It may be less than you think it should be." This is the big thing for me today.
Jack> Buster re: getting logged out, when you log IN, please be SURE to check the Remember Me box next to the log in area, else the system tends to bump you out.
Jack> That's GREAT Buster!
Jack> < re: the AUTOMATIC nature of the inhale!
Buster> re: inhale - mine was certainly not automatic and I always thought it needed to be HUGE.
Jack> YES! It's actually VERY IMPORTANT to ALLOW that inhale to happen AUTOMATICALLY, because the elegance of the KSMO multiple orgasm hack, if you will, is the discovery
Buster> In order for the Key Sound to be long and drawn out.
Jack> of how to HITCH A RIDE on that AUTOMATIC inhale and that little bit of pleasure that CAUSED that AUTOMATIC inhale and to GENTLY AMPLIFY it (GENTLY, now!), by using a RELAXED and UNFORCED, UNEXAGGERATED Key Sound™!
even> Hello!:) I have a question, if you have the time to answer it Jack? The question is a bit long, so maybe I should wait for your current conversation to end first?
Jack> The Key Sound™ does not need to be long and drawn out.
Jack> Just use the breath you have at that moment to articulate a Key Sound™.
Buster> Just a quick comment before even goes. This is a huge thing what you are saying here Jack.
Buster> Hi even.
even> That's ok!
Jack> If you don't feel like you had time or breath enough to articulate a full Key Sound™ that's a signal to you to RELAX MORE, as you RELAX more - by using those two or three relaxing breaths AFTER the Key Sound™, when you do the NEXT caress, your AUTOMATIC inhale is likely to be a little bit greater.
even> Hello to you too!
Jack> Yes, thanks even, we'll get to you if you can please stick around a bit!
Jack> Buster... in your own words, what is the HUGE understanding? I ask this, to help you anchor it. :)
Buster> I was trying to take these big inhales and exhales with the big Key Sounds and I just don't remember hearing that they need to be far more natural. Does that make sense?
Jack> Sure!
Jack> That's why we have these chats, Brother! To help clear that up!
Jack> :D
Jack> Yes Buster, NONE of the practice should be forced.
Jack> None of the practice should be forced or exagerrated.
Jack> NONE.
Buster> I was being too technical. Plain and simple.
Jack> There was that VERY important piece of new understanding, as well as
Buster> There was nothing natural about it really. I was getting some great sensations during this technical time. Don't get me wrong.
Jack> the understanding that you do NOT need to do an INTENTIONAL inhale just before the caress. Just some nice RELAXING breathing - nothing forced - then
Jack> do a single caress, and as soon as you pause the caress, WITHOUT HURRYING, do a RELAXED and UNFORCED Key Sound™, followed by two to four slow yet unforced relaxing breaths, then repeat the sequence for 20 minutes.
Jack> Bada BING!
Buster> RELAXED!!!
Jack> And don't do other sexually-related activities e.g. Aneros practice on that day.
Jack> Yes Buster OMG RELAXED! :D
Jack> OK?
Jack> Caress, Key Sound™, relaxing breaths, repeat.
Jack> e=mc^2
Buster> "And don't do other sexually-related activities e.g. Aneros practice on that day." Will do chief.
Buster> Thanks Jack.
Jack> Ok Buster? May we offer the Talking Stick to someone else now, for a bit? You're Welcome, Buzz! Also, you're welcome to have it again after everyone's had a go.
Jack> Ok! rumel was next in the door, so I'd like to pass the Talking Stick to him, unless someone else here is under a time constraint and has to bail within the next 20 minutes of so. Anyone here like that?
rumel> since even is on a limited time schedule I defer to him.
Buster> Absolutely. I thought I had passed it a while back. Sorry for hogging it. Did I step on Rumel's time?
Jack> No prob at all, Buster. Just as Rumel so graciously acknowledged, the work you have been doing here today has also been helping him (and others!) as well!
rumel> You didn't step on me Bro.
Jack> Thanks rumel re: even... Ok even you have the Talking Stick. Welcome! How may we help you today? How goes your practice?
Jack> Cool, rumel!
Jack> even, are you here?
even> great! Yeah, I'm doing some progress! The question (a long one) is as follows:
even> I have been practicing regularly since the summer this year, and has been making some good progress. At this time it takes only 10 seconds to get the energy moving, ant it doesn't matter if I'm standing, sitting, lying, distracted or listening to radio. As long as I allocate 10 seconds of «wanting good sensations», the stomach starts to automatically contract, and maybe 2 minutes later I notice a very strong sensation in both my shoulder that eventually starts to spread down my arms. I'm able to
even> ...get this sensation at any time, even right after a regulatory orgasm. My only concern is that the feelings doesn't feel «very good». It feels more like «interesting, pretty good and straining». I think I could increase the energy 100 times higher than my current capacity, but it feels just to straining, because I get warm, high pulse etc. Maybe I should add that I don't use any stimulations or keysounds at all during practice. A large and quick inhale is more than powerful enough for me at th
even> this point. Is this normal in the early stages of the practice? Have anyone of you experienced anything similar?
even> that was it :)
Jack> Good question! What do the rest of you guys have to say in reply?
rumel> I'm not experienced enough to respond as I haven't gotten those sensations.
even> My personal though is that I just need to practice over a longer period of time before the body is starting to accept the energy, but I'm not sure:rolleyes:
Buster> I am just learning how to breathe!
Jack> It's really GREAT, Even, that you're able to access the Echo Effects™ at will! what about adding the single caress and using the Key Sound™? That is, to practice the Protocol?
even> I needed to follow the protocol exactly too during the early stages, but these days the small details doesn't seem to matter much.
even> Yeah, maybe I should give the protocol a try. I haven't used any caresses during practice for many months now
Jack> What is it that you're wanting from practice that you don't yet feel you are getting?
even> more good sensations. Sometimes it feels very good, but most often it feels like I'm not able to handle the energy
Jack> I believe I heard you wanting more from practice, and imho the way to access that is to re-introduce the gentle unforced Key Sound™ just after pausing a single pleasurable caress.
even> but I'm doing some progress, since it feels like the practice is making it gradually easier to handle higher levels
Jack> Ah if you're feeling that you're not able to handle the energy, that is what Abe Maslow described as a... Higher Level Gripe. ;)
Jack> Yes, everyone please take careful note of Even's wisdom - GRADUAL increases... That makes
Jack> the whole experience MUCH easier to integrate.
rumel> I'd like to experience that kind of higher level gripe.
Jack> RE: the feeling of not being able to handle the energy. Would you please speak to that a little bit more?
Jack> LOL rumel. You shall, Brother, you shall! Perhaps a little sooner than you might expect!
Jack> My question about concerns about not handling the energy was to even.
Jack> btw.
Buster> There have been quite a few people that were apprehensive about that higher level.
Jack> Yep, Buster... Present company included, perhaps?
even> but what if the key-sound is just to powerful for me? Sometimes I'm being sent right into this "to much"-feeling when doing the key-sound. That is way I stopped using it.
even> too much
Jack> That apprehension is actually a favorable roadsign. That is what I coined as Terror At the Gates...
even> way=why
even> yeah, I guess you have a point there!
Jack> Even, I TOTALLY respect your judgment on that! It's VERY important not to push yourself past where you feel your capacity is for handling the energy!
Buster> You have gotta be comfortable.
Jack> And given that you felt you WERE at your current limit, it was VERY PRUDENT to back off on use of the caresses and the Key Sound™
Jack> Yep, that's very true, Buster. Hey we're supposed to be having FUN with this! :D
even> So, it's better to just use the necessary time needed, than trying to push myself up to new heights during each session?
Buster> Fun!
Jack> What a concept, eh, B?
rumel> even - I think you've got it.
Jack> Yes even, NO PUSHING!
Jack> Replace pushing with ALLOWING... couched in slow GENTLE relaxing breathing.
even> that's good! Buster & rumel: Has anyone of you experienced this?
rumel> I have not as of yet.
Jack> Ahem, don't forget to ask that question of Mog and Drew, too! ;)
Jack> Stay tuned, rumel. My intuition is that you're closer than you think.
Buster> No terrors here. I have been at this for so long that I am more than ready for it. Maybe that is the problem!!
rumel> I recognize it will happen when I'm ready but not expecting it.
Jack> That may be, Buster... Also we gave you some good tune up pointers and some new understanding today re: the inhale that FOLLOWS the caress as being automatic rather than intentional.
Jack> Yes rumel, and when it's your turn for the Talking Stick we'll delve a little deeper.
Jack> So Even, how are you doing with your question now?
Buster> I really do just take the sessions for what they are and try to enjoy whatever I get.
even> yeah, I think I've got a good answer to tmy question. So if anyone else want the talking stick, please go ahead.
Jack> You might also click the Google™ Site Search link near the top of this page and put "Terror at the Gates" in double quotes and read about some of the other discussions we've had on that topic.
even> I will try some of the good advices I got here tonight :):)
even> Yeah, thanks for all the great tips :)
Jack> EXCELLENT Even! I hope you'll BLOG your experiences as you do!
Jack> Even did you see that suggestion about the Google Site Search?
even> yeah, I sure will!
Jack> Ok! Rumel is next unless someone else wants to speak who hasn't and has to leave within the next 15 to 20 minutes. We want EVERYone to have a chance with the Talking Stick!
Jack> Great Even, re: the search.
Jack> And the blog posting!
Jack> Is everyone go to go for Rumel's taking up the Talking Stick?
Jack> Ok Rumel. You got it, Brother!
rumel> I do have a question about caress/breath frequency, I have sometimes gotten the urge to perform a caress on the next breath cycle, and at other times a longer wait
rumel> maybe six or seven breaths, any suggestions?
Jack> What do you say, guys?
rumel> It sometimes feels as if as if I'm forcing a pattern of breath action.
Jack> I'm a little unclear what you mean by that. Forcing which breath action?
rumel> I'm talking about a forced pacing of number of breaths.
rumel> between caresses.
Jack> There should be nothing forced in the practice.
Jack> Are you saying that sometimes you feel like using more than two to four relaxing breaths before the next caress?
rumel> Yes but also is there any harm in occasional sequential caress/breaths?
Jack> Well let's address one issue at a time...
Jack> If you feel like using more than two to four relaxing breaths before the next caress, that's fine.
rumel> OK
Jack> What do you mean by sequential caress/breaths?
rumel> A caress, a key sound exhale and then another caress, inhale and keysond, not consistently just occasionally?
Jack> By all means experiment, if it works for you great. If it doesn't then I recommend coming back to the basics of
Jack> single caress, pause the caress, unforced unhurried Key Sound™, two to four (or a few more) relaxing breaths, repeat.
even> My experience regarding the pause between each KS is 1) The longer the pause, the longer it takes to reach higher levels. 2) If the pause is too short, this is decreasing the intensity. It's a bit like stepping to hard on the gas-pedal, and the power dissappears...
rumel> I haven't been doing sequential caresses, but there have been occasional desires to do so.
Jack> My intuition is that if you get into a pattern of caress / Key Sound / caress / Key Sound, etc. though, I think that's probably pushing it and may be counterproductive. Your results will let you know.
rumel> I just wanted to get your take on this thought process.
Jack> The Echo Effects™ - their presence or absence and their level of intensity - are your primary Guru.
rumel> The problem there is the echo effects are not necessarily immediate so it is hard to tell what technique was causing them.
Jack> To further differentiate - The presence of the Echo Effects™ as I just described them, plus the ABSENCE of any sense of pressing urgency to ejaculate.
Jack> If you're having trouble distinguishing what technique, then again I recommend coming back to the basic Protocol, and at least once a week, taking a break from the other practices for 48 hours... Just to find out what you might experience differently.
rumel> well, I've never experienced any urgency to ejaculate during or after a practice session.
Jack> That is, do a 20 minute practice session, and for 48 hours or so thereafter, temporarily forgo use of the Aneros or masturbation.
rumel> I've already been doing that.
Jack> Ok... would you please restate your question or concern, then?
rumel> My concern was whether varying from the protocol would negatively affect progress and if not then maybe I could experiment a little to get a more comfortable (psychologically) pacing that is not rigid.
Jack> Definitely experiment, and monitor the results.
Jack> Is my reply helpful to you?
rumel> OK, I have been following protocol but it feels restrictive at times. Yes your reply gives me more flexibility to play with the proceedure, thanks.
Jack> Is there anything else we may answer for you today?
rumel> No, the talking stick may be passed.
Jack> Ok, great!
Jack> Who else has a question or comment today?
Jack> Anybody?
Jack> Are we finished for this chat?
Jack> Oh - I have a Joomla update - sort of.
even> rumel: my experience is that key to this doesn't lay in small details like whether to use 2 or 7 breaths in between each KS, but rather to follow the principles: 1) relaxation 2) following the protocol roughly and 3) consistent training over time. For the relaxation part I started each session with e few minutes of only relaxed breaths before each session, and that seems to work quite well.
Jack> This week has been rather frustrating, in that there appeared to be
Jack> problems with the bridge between vBulletin (our Forum) and the Joomla templates interface / CMS Content Management System.
rumel> even - I have a self hypnosis relaxation recording which leads into a guided session that works great for me.
Jack> That's great, rumel. Definitely stuff like that can be helpful, especially if it's just music or the like, that helps you stay in touch with how you're feeling in your own body, rather than taking you on a sexual fantasy trip.
Jack> RE: The Joomla bridge. The purpose of the bridge is primarily two-fold:
rumel> Jack - I gave you a copy of what I'm using.
Jack> To pass content generated in the Forum to selected areas of the Joomla template system or front end, as well as to permit you to log in to the Forum through the Joomla Template system.
Jack> That just didn't seem to be working. It's been a week of back and forth emails with the vBulletin to Joomla bridge developer and we didn't really get any where.
Jack> Then this morning I suddenly decided to try a browser OTHER than Safari... DOH!!! In FIREFOX the Joomla Template DOES show you as logged in!
Jack> The weird thing about the Safari interface is that it doesn't show you as logged in, in the Joomla template, but when you go to the Forum homepage, you ARE logged in to the Forum.
Jack> Now just before this chat started, I discovered that although Firefox shows you as logged IN to the Joomla view of the Forum contents, IT DOESN'T LET YOU LOG OUT! JEEZ! Anyway, that's enough techy-geekspeek. But just to let you know what's up with getting Joomla going.
Jack> In sum I'd say we're a bit closer to getting it going... At least in Firefox.
Jack> Some of the tweaking and tuning may actually require actions on the part of the Joomla Development team or the bridge guy. But I'll keep you posted. MEANWHILE, to
Jack> the extent that we can press on with it,
Jack> Where we're heading and hopefully fairly soon, is the ability to view the Joomla pages using layouts that YOU CHOOSE.
rumel> Sounds good Jack, I hope you can get it all resolved just the way you want it.
Jack> That is, we can make available a VARIETY of templates and layouts, from the simple to the more information - dense, and of differing designs.
Jack> Thanks rumel. It's not just about having it the way > I < want it, but giving you and the rest of our community the option to view and use the site's resources in a format that YOU and THEY want.
Jack> You'll be able to quick switch between layouts and formats by just selecting from a dropdown list.
Jack> Now I gotta tell you, this needs to be a collaborative effort. I most certainly can't do it all myself, as I'm not much of a techie.
Jack> But the nice thing about Joomla is that it gives our community the ability TO collaborate, as has already started with some great input from several of you.
rumel> My main concern is having to learn a whole new interface and proceedure just as I'm strting to understand the present site.
Jack> That's it for today's Joomla report. :)
Jack> Then stick with the present site if you're more comfortable with it, Rumel. It won't go away.
Jack> By present site, I assume you mean the FORUM area of the site, yes?
Jack> That will still be available at http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlongerinbed/
rumel> Yes, I'm not aware of how to enter a Joomla site.
Jack> BTW, re: the recording you sent me with the woman's voice. If that's working for you, great. It's my impression that it tends to take one into a fantasy rather than being in the here and now in one's own body and experience. But that's just my impression. Different um strokes - for different folks. There are no KSMO police. Try stuff. If it works for you, great! If it doesn't come back to the Protocol pure and simple when you want, and then try other stuff. You always have the Protocol as backup
rumel> The KSMO paractice portion of the recording doesn't have the womans moaning.
rumel> The relaxation induction portion does not take me into fantasy, it just relaxes me to the point of clearing the mind.
Jack> Great! If it's working for you, use it, by all means!
rumel> The end portion does sometimes lead into fantasy with the moaning womans voicing.
Jack> Ok, we're about at the end of our 3 - hour segment for this chat. There'll be another starting in a little less than 6 hours from the time stamp on this post.
rumel> but this is only after the pactice session ends.
Jack> Thanks for clarifying, rumel. Like I said, if it's working for you, great!
Jack> :)
Jack> If no one else has any pressing questions, I'm going to close the hosted portion of the chat, but of course the ChatBox and the Forum remain open, except for temporary shutdowns when we're tweaking the Joomla install.
rumel> OK Jack, Thanks for the tip about trying a little experimenting and the info on the breathing.
Jack> Is there anyone who has anything else they'd like to add for right now?
rumel> Talk to you all later, goodbye, Jack, Drew & even, have a good one.
Jack> You're quite welcome rumel! Thanks for being here, and for your questions and all of your sharing - That's what makes this community grow and benefit ever more people.
Drew> Bye rumel!
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081213 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> The next chat hosted personally by me begins in approximately 5 hours and 45 minutes from the time of this post. See the Countdown clock at the top of the Forum Home Page. I hope to see you then!
Session stop: Sat Dec 13 20:13:49 2008