Session start: Sun Nov 9 00:02:10 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2008118
Jack> Hello Grandmaster Mog! I hope you'll join me in welcoming our NEWEST NEWBIE jkeye who I believe may be a fellow Brit! Have a good Sunday!
jkeye> hi jack
jkeye> may I say I find ur ksmo ttechnique amazing
jkeye> one question:when u are close to whole body orgasm is it better to stimulate a key point to drive urself into it or use hands off key sound breathing
mog> Hi jkeye:) and welcome here. It good to see you making an immediate start on the forum. Could I suggest that you post a brief CV to help any responder frame a relevant reply to your question(s)? You find the KSMO amazing (me too!) so tell us how far you have progessed, svp.
mog> "Grandmaster Mog" Take no notice of Jack - he's always taking the mickey!
jkeye> sure
jkeye> started off experimenting on mmos with the aneros.i then tried reaching o without the aneros as suggested by a fellow aneros user.today i tried the key sound.pretty amazed at the response.after some low intensity non ejaculatory os i got to a more intense stage where i was close to orgasm and couldnt be sure if it was going to lead to eaculation or an even more intense dry one which is what i want
mog> So your re-wiring process is already well advanced!
jkeye> yes,but i feel i have so much more to learn
mog> jkeye - Could I also suggest that it might be better if you posted this discussion on your forum thread - it's a more convenient discussion area than the chatbox and I, and I think Jack too, will find it better.
jkeye> sure sorry about that
mog> I started with a year of the Aneros and switched to the KSMO - a revelation!
jkeye> ive had the aneros for abou 3 months
mog> The KSMO and the Aneros practices are mutually supportive so you can expect a substantial enhancement of your Aneros practice too from the KSMO if that appeals to you. IMHO the KSMO is the more fundamental approach to multiple orgasm.
mog> I have to retire to the kitchen right now so I/we hope to see you on the forum some more.
jkeye> cheers
mog> Hi Laly! It must be early morning where you are?
mog> I hpoe all is well with you:)
mog> Er - hope!
Laly> yeah it's 9:29 am Mog
Laly> am home sick today
mog> Sorry to hear that, Laly. I hope you'll be better soon.
Laly> thanks
Jack> Hey jkeye, CONGRATULATIONS on entering the Multiorgasmic Zone! That Mog is sure a great teacher and inspiring role model, isn't he? :)
Jack> Hi Grandmaster Pan! :D
jkeye> Thanks Jack:Yeah went into the zone again last night:just blew my mind away.Mog's advice was spot on.What a great resource to have in this forum!Someone to offer personal advice very promptly.God bless you,Mog and all other contributors here.
jkeye> May I suggest that any advice for "semi advanced "practitioners like me from experts like you and mog :)on how I can enhance my sessions will be very welcome.
tiphereth> Heya jkeye!
Laly> hi zooyork!! good morning
Jack> Hello! Chat hosted by me starts in 50 minutes from this post.
Laly> Good morning Jack!!
Jack> Hi Laly! See you in about 32 minutes! :-)
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081115 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA
Jack> Greeting Laly, and OMG STOKI! WELCOME BACK It is GREAT to see you in the chat channel once again!!! :)
Laly> HII Stoki!!
Laly> Hello again Jack :0
Laly> :)
stoki> hey
stoki> It's been a while
Laly> how are you doing stoki?
stoki> oh, just fine
Jack> Great!
Laly> wonderful.
Jack> BTW, stoki, you are part of that special group of people who practice the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ for a while, take a break, and then return. This group generally has much improved results upon their return.
Jack> How may we help you today? Have you resumed practice as yet?
stoki> nope
Jack> Do you plan to?
stoki> I would have to get into some kind of routine
stoki> every time I started doing it I didn't do it long enough to become part of my daily routine
stoki> for a while I just forgot about it
Jack> Well, first of all, it's not a daily routine, but at most, three times per week.
stoki> luckily you send out an email every now and then
Jack> Practicing the Protocol every time actually tends to delay results.
Laly> sounds familiar to me :).
stoki> yes I didn't do it every day I just dodn't know how to write it
Jack> :) < Laly. Stoki, I also want to encourage you to release the idea that path to success for you may NOT be getting into a routine, that is forcing yourself, but rather:
Laly> a regular routine-- for the week.
Jack> Just practicing whenever the spirit moves you and you have the privacy to do so. Yet not more than three times per week.
stoki> yes :)
Jack> By not forcing yourself, you are taking a VERY important first step in resuming practice.
Jack> :)
Jack> Also do you see the box just below this ChatBox with the red printing in that says: NEW SERVICE INCLUDED With your Forum Registration?
Laly> (yeah-- Stoki-- the Key sound validation is a GREAT free tool)
stoki> Jack you never get upset do you? :) I wish my father was more like you
Laly> (giggles--he does stoki)
Jack> Stoki, I wish my Father had been too! :D
Jack> Like the author and poet Alice Walker says in her gorgeous letter to President-Elect Obama, : We're part of a relay race. We each take IT a little further.
Laly> i agree- I am glad I still have my dad here to love :).
Jack> Stoki, do you still have your copy of the audio seminar so you can hear my demonstrations of the Key Sound™?
stoki> ofcourse
Jack> Ok, good!
Jack> Just checking. :)
Jack> Since you DO have the samples. A very good next step for you is to post a sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the PRIVATE Key Sound Validation area, which is linked from the box just below this chat box.
Jack> I'll then review it and post feedback for you on how you're doing - either that you're right on the signal line, or I will give you little suggestions for tuning it up! :D
Jack> That area of the Forum is specially configured so that for every member of our community, you and they ONLY see YOUR post and have access to your sample. Just you and I, no one else, so it's private just between us.
Jack> OK?
stoki> I'll do it
Jack> All RIGHT!!! :D
Jack> BTW, have you started a Blog here yet?
stoki> no
stoki> have you ever thought of analyzing the KS
Jack> I recommend you do start a blog. So you may use it like a journal of your progress. And as a place to post your questions. You'll get ongoing support from me and other members of your community there.
Jack> Do you see the Blogs link on the menu bar just above? (I'll respond to your question in a moment).
stoki> yes
stoki> I just don't feel I have anything to write about yes
stoki> yet*
Jack> If you click that link, in the left hand column in the Options box you'll see a link that let's you start your blog.
Laly> oh good...love the added yet
Jack> Just start your blog by saying that you don't feel you have anything to write about yet.
Jack> Hey that was a VERY nice subconscious message for you. You said at first: YES
Jack> That's a VERY IMPORTANT message from your subconscious that at a deeper level you ARE ready!!!
Jack> That was a VERY cool statement, stoki!!! ;)
stoki> I missed a key
Jack> That's just your conscious mind rationalizing. We're taught to call such messages slips because
Jack> our conscious mind has a little trouble ACCEPTING what our SUBconscious is TELLING us.
Jack> I invite you to relabel such slips as GIFTS!
Jack> It's a clear sign that at a deeper level you are more ready than you realize!
Jack> You just may have an emotional furball of a little bit of fear or concern. That's entirely natural as you stand on the threshold of your Adventure.
Laly> *nods head yes.
Jack> One of my teachers taught me that such feelings, that we are taught to label as anxiety is actually excitement I haven't quite yet allowed myself to feel!
Jack> It's ok stoki... At NO point to you have to EVER force yourself. That is GUIDELINE NUMBER ONE. :)
Jack> Heyyyy Zeitgeist!!! Welcome!
Jack> Zeit, we're celebrating stoki's return! :D
zeitgeist> HEY HI all esp stoki
Jack> Stoki... just remember that wonderful YES that your subconscious gave you.
zeitgeist> laly and of your good self Jack! :D :D
stoki> hi
zeitgeist> of course
Jack> I think you should enjoy just that for at least a day or two before beginning actual practice.
stoki> you really make a guy feel welcomed here
Jack> Just SAVOR what your subconscious is signalling to you by that!
Jack> It means that your INNER self is your ally and IS READY to help you!
Jack> I really do think that your biggest lesson is to learn not to force yourself... EVER... but just to RELAX and do ONLY what you feel like doing in this practice, and ONLY when you feel like doing so.
Jack> RE: Welcomed, thanks stoki! I really appreciate hearing that! :D
Jack> I look forward to seeing and hearing your Key Sound™ sample posted to the private KS validation area.
Laly> I agree with Jack Stoki--
Laly> (welcome z-man HUGS)
Laly> (hi Rumel...*beeming smile)
Jack> Welcome rumel! We're celebrating the return of stoki :)
Jack> Rumel, you can catch up by clicking on this [Archives] link.
Jack> Just like the one that's a little up and to the right at the top of this ChatBox.
Jack> Stoki, do you still have a copy of the pdf document: The Key Sound™ Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ Summary Update?
Jack> That's your step by step guide to the 20 minute practice sessions.
Jack> Stoki, do you have any other questions or comments at this time, before we pass the Talking Stick to someone else?
rumel> Hello Jack, Laly, zeitgeist & stoki, just got caught up on the return of stoki, welcome back.
Jack> Hi rumel! I'm glad you're here today. It's a very international group!
Jack> I have always LOVED the ability of the Web to provide live communication like this from around the world!
Jack> After 15 years, it's still VERY exciting to me that we can reach around the globe like this. :)
rumel> Thanks, so what countries are represented here, besides Canada andthe US?
Jack> Zeitgeist is in the UK and Stoki is from Eastern Europe. Stoki when you check back in, maybe you can remind me which country you're typing from. I apologize for not remembering!
Jack> rumel are you in Canada or US? Laly is U.S.
Jack> Who would like the Talking Stick next?
zeitgeist> Rumel, why don't you go next?
rumel> I'm in California, that is U.S.of A. but sometimes I think we're are own little country here.:)
Jack> And Stoki, you're very welcome to take the Talking Stick once again after everyone else has had an opportunity. And once again a very warm welcome back, stoki!
Jack> LOL I here ya rumel. I'm a refugee from the People's Republic of Kalleefornyuh. :D
rumel> :)
Laly> LOL.
rumel> Der Governator does have a tough Empire to rule.
Jack> With a shout out to my homeys in South Gate (LA), East Oakland, and Berzerkley!
Jack> Yes rumel, he has a LOT of cool cats to herd!
Jack> Who would next like the Talking Stick?
Laly> i can..if no one wants to pick it up.
zeitgeist> no pressure eh Milton! ;)
rumel> I don't have any specific questions as of this moment, I am here mainly to listen today.
Jack> k, rumel. Feel free to change your mind at any time. :)
stoki> back.. got myself something to eat - about that pdf file.. were there any updates?
zeitgeist> go on Llay
zeitgeist> oops! Laly... sorry :rolleyes:
stoki> oh and I'm from Slovenia
Jack> stoki, re: updates nope the same method still works! :)
Laly> stoki...re: the pdf file-- no on the updates.
rumel> Yes, Laly you have my undivided attention.
Laly> (uh oh-- jack n I are on the same wave length-- scary lol)
stoki> then I have the file
Jack> Pdf latest revision is 20050127
stoki> yes that's the one
Jack> K Stoki, use that as your step by step practice guide to the 20 minute sessions. And let me know if you need help sorting out how to post your Key Sound™ articulation sample to the http://www.multiples.com/howtolastlo...alidation Area.
Laly> Thanks rumel...2 weeks ago I experienced quite a few things that
Laly> i'll admit-- scare the he!! out of me.
Jack> (Sorry I goofed the link to the Validation area but it's just below the ChatBox when you're logged in.)
Jack> Pls continue Laly, sorry for the interruption.
rumel> Laly, What is scaring you?
Laly> stoki-- here -- http://tinyurl.com/ksmo-validation
Laly> well- for one-- it was a three day workshop that I was attending with forum member drew.
Jack> [Thanks Laly for posting the link!]
Laly> and was 8-10 hour day seminar each day
Laly> being attended by over 600 people
Laly> I have NEVER in my life been in a room with this many people in my life
Laly> I was freaking out-- LITERALLY.
Laly> i was concerned re: panic attacks.
Laly> being around that many strangers and having a episode.
Laly> and like KSMO-- the mind noise popped up= what if's
Laly> so bad i nearly talked myself out of even going.
Laly> (sorry , hang on crying n shaking here )
Laly> But I DID go...despite the fear and
Laly> talked to myself--stepped WAYY WAY outside my comfort zone
Laly> and put 200% of myself into the workshop-- physically and energentically.
Jack> [Warm Welcome jkeye... Laly has the Talking Stick and is sharing about a HUGE growth step she took recently.]
Laly> i'd never been around so many people energentically wise
Laly> OOOH my lord... I wish I could tell you ALL that i felt
Laly> (HI JKEYE!!! Welcome!! )
Laly> I received visions--seeing what people were projecting from their minds.
Laly> a GIFT for me -- truly, but I ended up with a bad headache at the end of first nite-- I had to shut down that mental connection to all- just for my sanity.
rumel> Laly, that is great that you DID overcome the fear and attend. It is great that you expanded you personal comfort zone to include many new people. It is great that your consciousness now hasnew information to dal with life.
rumel> ...to deal ...
Laly> yeah Jack...I even went on stage and danced in front of everyone. THAT i tell you was the greatest fear -- and triumph.
Laly> thanks rumel.
rumel> Yeah, for TRIUMPHANT LALY!
Laly> I got so many compliments on my dancing and thanks for keeping people happy.
Jack> WAY Cool!!!
zeitgeist> Well Done laly!
Laly> at one point a man came up to me at one break while i was dancing, grabbed my hand and WE DANCED right there.
Laly> I had not danced with a man since high school prom ya all.
Laly> after that james never strayed far from me... kinda cool for me.
Laly> that kind of bond with a person-- you just meet.
rumel> Undoubtably, he was attracted to your positive energy.
Laly> yeah...that is what i was thinking too Rumel.
Laly> at the end-- we all sang a song that REALLY affected james re: fathers
Laly> I wont say the images I was receieving from his mind--
Laly> but I held him tight as we all sang.
Laly> something I would NEVER have done before--this workshop.
Laly> IT changed my life-- this workshop, in ways I had NO idea it would.
Laly> I have a better bond with my family-- i share with parents more.
Laly> I told a friend 3 words I rarely utter to anyone-- let alone my family.
Laly> "I love you."
rumel> If I may suggest something here, IT did not change your life - YOU HAVE CHANGED YOUR LIFE.
Laly> ahh..got me there Rumel, you are right.
Laly> I even went out-- and spoke and KSMO to some of these people!
Laly> we had an exercise where we had to introduce our "business" ...since I didnt have one
Laly> I spoke about something very dear to my heart
Laly> Oh the looks -- WOW , dropped jaws
Laly> quite a few asked for the website-- which i wrote down for them
Laly> At that point- I could have walked on stage and talked to them about KSMO :D
Laly> *chuckling.
Laly> n I am NOT a public speaker...yet.
Laly> *lays talking stick down-- crying
rumel> Laly, actually you already are a public speaker, it is only the size of the crowd that varies.
Laly> oh?? never thought of that-- just that thought of 1200 eyes on me that weekend- well ...lil freaky feeling.
rumel> In the short time I have been attending these chats, I have seen some remarkable personal growth for you Laly, Way to Go Girl!
Jack> Very good point, rumel (re: just the size of the crowd)! :D
Laly> *blushing
Laly> just that when i was thinking about that re: stage-- i was shocked...that I COULD do it.
Jack> Well Laly, you don't have to count the eyes, Count the smiles!!!;-)
Laly> that i was willing to...
Laly> I think the dropped jaws taht made me smile jack... but then being asked for the website afterwards :).
Laly> obviously were not expecting that kind of talk.. from a woman no less ;).
rumel> Laly, it's not a ..."COULD do it" it is a DONE deal. :)
Laly> *holds side as she laughs. yeah I agree.
Laly> So now I do speak more about KSMO to people...that I feel are receptive.
Laly> a 100 degree reversal to the "shy newbie" i was when i first started KSMO 3 years ago.
Jack> You have TOTALLY Come a long way, baby! :)
Laly> Ya all hold a very special place in my heart n life :).
Laly> oh better stop-- or i'll cry again
Laly> ok-- wipes off damp talking stick -- next??
rumel> "a 100 degree reversal" what is the reservation about the other 80 degrees?
Laly> still working on that rumel :)
rumel> OK :)
Laly> some fears/ terror gates I feel are coming.
Laly> there are so many things I cant recall of my childhood- that I am considering a past regression session with a someone I trust n certified in that field.
Laly> even IF it means-- re living nite i was raped -- in this.
Laly> at the workshop-- we were asked--think back, what do you remember hearing as a child...
Laly> and I couldn't!! ...very frightening for me
rumel> You need not re-live the event, simply acknowledgeing it may be sufficient. Perhaps be an observer of the event not a participant.
Laly> a blank slate screen :( .
Jack> Very good point, rumel!
Laly> *crys
Laly> the brief memory flashes I do have rumel- are not good ones...not sure if I could do wither
Laly> either
Jack> Hey Laly, any chance you can take a little break from sharing to give others a chance? That's quite an IMPRESSIVE sharing you've offered so far. And of course you're welcome to share more. I'd just like to give others a chance to check in as well. :)
Laly> sure jack...
Laly> (sorry-hadnt planned on taking this much time)
Jack> Thanks... And CONGRATULATIONS on taking such HUGE steps in your personal growth. WOW what IMPRESSIVE COURAGE!!!
Laly> Thanks Jack...Rumel :).
rumel> Hi jkeye, I didn't greet you earlier when you joined in, you are welcome to the talking stick.
Jack> Yeah it'd be great to hear from you jkeye, including, if you don't mind,
Jack> where you're typing from, your age, and how long you've been practicing KSMO.
Jack> Of course EVERYbody is welcome to as many rounds as you want, after everyone gets that first chance. :)
stoki> I'd like to ask something
Jack> Yes by all means, stoki! Please go ahead.
rumel> Ask
Jack> BTW what country ARE you typing from?
stoki> when you say that one shouldn't force the keysound but let it arise naturally...
stoki> Slovenia
stoki> most of the time I was practicing it did feel as if I was forcing it
stoki> the only time I remember that I was spontaniously making sound was a few times that I was really aroused
stoki> but that was with manual stimulation
Jack> VERY GOOD QUESTION!
Jack> Let's make a distinction between forcing and intention to clarify things.
Jack> It's fine and even necessary to choose to use the Key Sound™, but just don't force it by making it extra loud or by using it with the mindset of trying to make yourself get more aroused or have an orgasm.
Jack> You choose to use the Key Sound™ gently, without forcing, immediately after you use a single erotic touch or caress.
Jack> I say a single touch or caress, in contrast to using continuous stroking, etc., which is off Protocol.
Jack> The idea is to let go of ALL intention of trying to MAKE or force yourself to become more aroused or have orgasm.
Jack> As such, this practice is the OPPOSITE of what we're all used to - that is, of using lots of stimulation to build arousal, and then maybe at the last moments before we think we're about to ejaculate, to tense up or hold back, use stop start, or hold our breath are all of that other stuff.
Jack> Does that help clarify the issue for you, stoki?
Jack> Feel free to ask more about this important issue! Until you feel you really have a good understanding of it.
stoki> I see
stoki> but it's just frustrating because starting out it seems like nothing's happening
Jack> RE: Feeling like nothing's happening... THAT'S THE FIRST TRAP
rumel> stoki, I can empathize with those feelings.
Jack> rumel, how have you dealt with that trap?
Jack> Perhaps your experience will be helpful for stoki.
rumel> I have been using the Aneros for some time now, and early users often report similar feelings or lack of sensations.
rumel> The solution is to drop your expectations of results and trust your body to respond as it will.
Jack> Very good points rumel!
rumel> Everybody takes a different amount of time to respond, it just takes faith and patience to happen.
Jack> Stoki, what you're asking about is THE most common challenge at the beginning stages,
Jack> and sometimes even later on, it comes back for a while.
Jack> We are all SO used to GOING FOR IT! Getting that instant ZING of feeling from vigorous stimulation.
Jack> What I suspected in the early days, and what was later confirmed - BIG TIME - was that going for the ZING was actually a TRAP
rumel> No one can give you a time line for the process, which is the most frustrating aspect to me, because I like things to be predicable on an ego level, but my sub-conscious revels in unpredictable events.
Jack> that took us PAST the Doorway to Multiple Orgasm intensity!
Jack> I even speak about that in the audio seminar.
Jack> LOL, another VGP (Very Good Point) rumel!!! :)
Jack> Stoki, the point about the 20 minute practice sessions is that they are NOT for the purpose of GETTING OFF during the 20 minute sessions!
Jack> Please read that last sentence VERY CAREFULLY and commit it to memory.
rumel> I still fall pray to the TRAP, and have to nudge myself out of that hole.
Jack> Remind yourself of that CONSTANTLY in the beginning, especially!
Jack> Stoki, hear what rumel just said?
Jack> It means you're NOT ALONE in that challenge, Brother!
Jack> So of course you might be saying to yourself: WTF??? What the heck IS the purpose of the 20 minute session then??????
Jack> It's purpose is to GRADUALLY awaken a GIANT! :D
Jack> And it's a GIANT that has been sleeping your whole lifetime!
Jack> So it takes a little time and patience, and you want to do it carefully and slowly.
Jack> Stoki, please note what I say here, very thoroughly:
Jack> The purpose of the 20 minute practice session is SLOWLY and GENTLY awaken the DEEPER and initially (but ONLY initially!) MORE SUBTLE multorgasmic arousal and response system.
Jack> So you might say again: WTF??? Well what AM I looking for during the 20 minute sessions????!!!!
stoki> it separates things in my mind
Jack> You're looking for learning how to RELAX, and to articulate the Key Sound™ CORRECTLY - hence my urging you to post an .mp3 sample of your Key Sound™ articulation to the Free Validation Area,
stoki> because if you think that the purpose IS getting off then that's what you'll be expecting
Jack> so I can help you tune it up! Articulating it accurately is ESSENTIAL.
stoki> and as a result be disappointed
Jack> Yes, that's right, stoki!!!
Jack> EXACTLY!
Jack> And then you start getting pissed at yourself, and then nobody's having any fun at all!
Jack> Then you can get discouraged, etc.
stoki> when in fact it's about something completely different
stoki> that's interesting
Jack> And that's why WE are here in the Forum to help you get through that stage, and pretty much EVERBODY goes through it!
rumel> stoki, do you think you can approach a practice session in the spirit of a meditation with the key sound as your mantra?
stoki> having a different perspective on the practice
stoki> yes
Jack> That's a Good One, rumel! And YES Stoki, a VERY different perspective. Yeah and re: completely different... the Forum is FULL of people's comments where they say stuff like:
stoki> it frees you of the expectation
Jack> I had NO IDEA what this was going to feel like!
Jack> And: I could NOT have IMAGINED how this could feel!!!
Jack> So... Let go of TRYING to Imagine! :-)
Jack> Here's what to look for:
Jack> Relaxing... REALLY relaxing... SLOWING DOWN... and like rumel suggests... like a nice calm relaxing meditation... It's a good idea to have
Jack> some very relaxing, even meditative music playing quietly...
Jack> Then during each cycle, just do that SINGLE touch or caress, and without hurrying, follow it immediately by a GENTLE and UNFORCED Key Sound™.
Jack> It doesn't need to be loud... don't force it AT ALL. Just a deep, kinda sexy sounding Key Sound™.
Jack> Then two or three slow, relaxing breaths... No hurry... and just NOTICE what little TINY tingles or whatever you might feel...
Jack> And here comes the trap: You'll be VERY tempted to say to yourself: Oh THAT little twinge was Nothing... That was too faint to be what Jack and rumel and Laly and zeitgeist and hundreds of other people have been talking about!
Jack> But here's the OPPORTUNITY... INSTEAD say to yourself:
Jack> Hmmm. I'll bet that's EXACTLY what all of these people are talking about!
Jack> Just that LITTLE TINY tingle or twinge or goosebumps or whateverrrrrr - THAT is an ECHO EFFECT™ !
rumel> to say " ooh that was cool, I'd like more of those..."
Jack> That's really all there is to it!
Jack> THAT is why nobody before me discovered it! It was SO SUBTLE!
Laly> *nods head in agreement :).
Jack> EVERYBODY discounted it, ignored it, talked themselves out of it's having any value!
Jack> Here's another fact to keep in mind:
Jack> The MOST COMMON PATTERN of feeling stronger Echo Effects™ is ALMOST NEVER... NEVER... DURING the 20 minute practice sessions!
Jack> WTF #3, EH? :D
Jack> The MOST common time when you suddenly become aware of STRONGER tingles or... as we say in English THRILLS - in the TRUEST sense of that word - is BETWEEN practice sessions!
Jack> The biggest rushes... the First > OMG what was THAT!!! feelings tend to happen when you LEAST expect them!
Jack> So the trick is to LET GO of expectations!
Jack> As long as you're EXPECTING something to happen, kind of drumming your fingers on the table waiting and waiting and waiting for SOMEthing to happen and getting more and more pissed
Jack> ... well... that chases the feelings away! What we mean by Chasing the Fawn. That's Adept Andi meant when she came up with that wonderful metaphor.
Jack> So just relax and do the practice. Just show up as we say in English. Just do the practice and relax. Like a meditation, as rumel says. And when you
Jack> DO notice a little faint tiny tingle. Don't discount it, just notice it and say
Jack> Oh! There's one of those little faint Echo Effects™ that everybody's been talking about! Hmmm... and then just
Jack> continue your practice.
Jack> CAUTION:
Jack> Don't try to say: Oh cool there it is!!! Let me use more stimulation or a louder Key Sound™ to MAKE it stronger.
Jack> Nope.
Jack> That doesn't work!
Jack> It's the YIN path, brother... It's relaxing and quieting your mind and ALLOWING those feelings to occur, when THEY are ready to...
Jack> Just like that shy fawn (baby deer) peeking it's nose timidly out of the woods.
Jack> If you start thrashing around, that fawn is GONE, dude!
Jack> But if you're QUIET and just GENTLY continue your practice. Then the fawn will come out of the woods - WHEN YOU LEAST EXPECT IT TO.
Jack> There it is, Brother. The SECRET OF THE AGES! :D
Jack> [ Jack stepping down off the soapbox ]
Jack> [ Jack laying down the Preaching Stick! lol ]
rumel> Jack, that is such a hard lesson to learn, especially for us goal oriented men, to suspend expectations, let our egos step to the rear and offer the quiet open hand for 'Bambi' to sniff.
stoki> that's more than enough info for one day
rumel> Of course you are absolutely correct.
rumel> <Jack
Jack> Yep, you got it, rumel!
Jack> Stoki, I hope that helps clarify things for you and helps you understand
Jack> how you felt stuck. NO BLAME, Brother. Please do NOT hassle yourself about not getting it before now!
Jack> That is ANOTHER trap! As rumel says,
Jack> In effect, we are ALL programmed to GO FOR IT but then when we GO FOR IT,
Jack> we usually wind up feeling:
Jack> Is THAT all there is???
Jack> Then the advertising agencies jump in and say:
Jack> No there's more! Just buy this car, cologne, or whatEVERRRR.
Jack> That's why learning this skill is so fundamentally revolutionary, imho.
Laly> i agree.
Jack> :)
Laly> if i may add something jack?
Jack> Sure! Then we'll pass the Talking Stick to Zeitgeist who has been SO patient! :)
Laly> oh he still here-- not showing on my screen
Laly> the biggest that really struck the people I spoke to about KSMO stoki- was the fact that I said
Laly> with KS orgasms you are NOT left drained of energy, but energized.
Laly> That is when their interest really was piqued. :)
Laly> k-- i am done :).
Jack> Thanks Laly. That's a VERY important point!
Jack> Ok Zeitgeist are you still here?
Jack> Paging Zeitgeist!
Jack> :)
Jack> I can see that he's still in channel and I know it's getting late in the UK. I'll email him right quick.
Jack> Ah I just saw an email from him, said he got called away. Will tune in on the next chat so we'll put him at the front of the line.
Jack> Sorry about that, Z!
Jack> Ok let's call it a day for this one since I have another chat starting in 5 hours. :)
Jack> Thanks EVERYBODY for being here. You're welcome to come to the chat starting at 0200 GMT of course!
Jack> Else I look forward to seeing you in the Blogs and Forum, and at the next 1700GMT chat in two weeks.
Jack> Hey stoki, again Very Warm Welcome Back!!!
rumel> OK, thanks Jack and Laly, have a good day.
Jack> Stoki, remember to start your Blog and document your experiences.
Jack> Rumel thanks VERY much for all of your great input today!
stoki> thanks for the tips
Laly> you too rumel HUGS :)
Laly> you are VERY welcome stoki.
Jack> You're very welcome, stoki! Please keep us posted via your Blog and forum posts!
Laly> btw-- supper is on me tonite Jack -- if you're hungry ;)
Jack> LOL, thanks Laly!
Laly> spinach lasagna roll ups-- yumm yum
Jack> A CyberSupper, eh?
Laly> :)
Laly> well only way can be- with so many miles between us :(
Jack> ***** END of Multiple Orgasm Trigger Training and Discussion Chat™ for 20081115
Jack> I'm nourished by your kind thoughts and generous spirit Laly! Thanks!
Jack> BTW Laly, pls check your multiples email. Thanks!
Laly> i did jack
Laly> already done :)
Laly> both of em
Laly> oh-- that one's done too-- thanks :)
Laly> see you later on Jack :).
stoki> bye guys
Laly> bye stoki--
stoki> enjoy your lasagna laly :)
Laly> if you have any other questions-- feel free to email jack with them
Laly> thanks
Jack> Bye stoki, thanks again for being here today. It's GREAT to have you back!!!
Laly> Welcome Medeak!!
Session stop: Sat Nov 15 23:44:27 2008