Session start: Sat Oct 4 21:25:19 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 2008103
Laly> hence the bath :)
rumel> She will lead you to good places in your mind, yes I've heard that tigers actually like the water, so go take the bath.:)
Laly> thanks- hugs :)
rumel> Enjoy, bye for now.
Laly> bfn
artform> Hi Laly!
Laly> hi artform
artform> Did you have that relax bath?
Laly> Jack is unable to make tonite's chat-
Laly> yes i did and was heavenly
Laly> storms knocked out his internet-- he sends his regrets
artform> Good for you. That's too bad about Jack.
artform> Are you still expecting rumel?
Laly> I emailed him--
rumel> Hi all
artform> And lo his name appears!:)
Laly> let him know what happened- but that I'd still be here to host chat
artform> Hi rumel!
Laly> hii ya rumel welcome back
artform> Wonderful Laly.
rumel> While Jack's away the mice can play! :)
artform> Welcome Buster!
Laly> Hi Buster
Laly> lol rumel!!
Buster> Hi Laly, Artform & Rumel. Such a distingueshed panel tonight!
rumel> Hi Buster
Buster> That's too bright!
Laly> Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20081004-session B
artform> <puts eyeballs back in sockets!!!>
Laly> yeah that's help you in reading chat artform ;).
Laly> (that'll) sorry
Laly> okay...who would like the infamous talking stick first?
Buster> I am just swinging in for a few minutes tonight.
Laly> Glad to have you here Buster.
rumel> Then let Buster go first
Laly> anyone object to Buster going first?
Laly> lol-- rumel - now you and I are reading minds.
Buster> I had my best KSMO session this week. Anyone want to talk about that except for me?
artform> Let's hear!
rumel> Let's hear about it!
Buster> Well, I have to give partial credit to Rumel.
Buster> I was listening to one of his audio recordings and it really helped me get into the zone.
Buster> There was a considerable amount of noise happening and I had my left leg practically shaking off.
Buster> I have to fine tune how I am using the recording but I can see some great events coming up in the future.
Buster> I do have a question for the 4 of you though.
Laly> That is great to hear Buster.
rumel> Shoot
Buster> I haven't put you all to sleep yet, have I?
Laly> go ahead
Laly> nope-
Buster> I find that the most intense of sensations happen after the Key Sound. I like to huver at that point.
Buster> What that means is I don't want to take an inhale because that starts the rotation again.
rumel> Hey I'm excited that 'Alana' might be of help to the KSMO crowd.
Laly> That sounds about right Buster.
Buster> Do y'all experience anything like that? Alana is great!
Buster> If I could figure out how to get air into my body, I would stay in that state for a lot longer than I do.
artform> Are you OK Buster?
artform> Sorry, I hadn't received any of the posts below until I posted this question!!!
Buster> Sure, I am doing alright. I was waiting for some feedback.
Laly> Holding onto that breath though Buster-- could lead to tensing
Buster> Yes Laly, tense would be the word for it.
rumel> I was hoping the recording would prompt the breathing by the verbal prompt.
Laly> The KS breathing cycle is there -- to allow the body to build upon those wonderful feelings.
rumel> I have a similar tendency to hold my breath.
Buster> It does, but I started to ignore it because it came too fast.
Laly> IF you hold self at the constant state-- then you stay at that level-- with no chance to find out if arousal could be higher
Buster> I wanted to stay there and enjoy and maybe build on it. I know protocol would say to do the breath, but nobody ever called me a smart man.
Laly> not even yourself??
Buster> No, I think I am pretty stupid.
rumel> Buster you are a smart man for being on the journey toward enlightenment.
Buster> I agree. I still can't believe the amount of people in this world that are oblivious to this.
artform> Jack's comment this afternoon about following intuition in explorations and then returning to a protocol session from time to time may well apply Buster.
Laly> a possible furball issue buster?
rumel> A stupid man doesn't know enough to move forward, you do!
Laly> I agree artform, I myself take a break from protocol
Laly> very good point rumel :)>
artform> re; oblivious number, we agree, and have before!
Buster> I don't know Laly. To my knowledge, I don't know what it would be about. I dont think that I have had any major furballs to this point.
Laly> Welcome Drew
Buster> Hey Drew.
artform> Hi Drew!
Laly> Buster-- I just meant that you're thinking you are stupid--puts you in a negative mindset from the start.
rumel> Hello Drew, nice to finally see what you have to say.
Buster> I am sorry I said it that way. I was laughing when I typed it. I have that kind of sense of humor. I crack myself up.
Buster> I had a great time!
Laly> Oh okay-- thanks for the clarification Buster.
Buster> That is it for me. One great session. I hope that the next one is better and better. Onward and upward!
Drew> Hello everyone.
rumel> Actually, I think there is a good point to be made here.
artform> How are the Echo Effects Buster?
Laly> Thanks Buster for sharing that.
Buster> You know Artform, I would like to ask about those as well.
rumel> What we tell ourselves, even in jest, is accepted on a sub consious level as true for us.
Buster> I have more intense echo effects after an Aneros session than I have with KSMO. They are just not too strong with me.
rumel> Therefore we do need to monitor those thoughts and self talk.
Buster> I know I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, but I can hold my own.
Laly> :)
Laly> I agree rumel.
Buster> Hey, what about the Echo Effects with all you?
artform> Interesting Buster, have you rated your aneros after-effects on the Poll there yet? If so what level?
Laly> I get them still Buster-- even though not actively practicing KS.
rumel> I've just started so my experience with echo effects is very limited.
Buster> I dont remember a poll over there having to do with Echo Effects Artform.
artform> Rumel, that is a very important point. How does self-deprecating humour fit?
Buster> Can everyone describe their "Echo Effects"?
artform> I put one up in mid-August in the Community Polls section, not in the General Discussion. Put notices up in the GD section though including a recent reminder.
rumel> I've pretty much described everything I've experienced in my blogs.
Buster> Re: poll, I will check it out next time I am over there.
Laly> Echo effects vary person to person--
artform> With KSMO, mine are energies, beginning in the lower abdomen and from the third session's next day onward they became quite insistent, spreading to full body.
Buster> Alright, I will start. What I experience as Echo Effect will be a feeling similar to going downhill on a rollercoaster. When I breathe I can actually get them started. They crank up on my exhale.
artform> With Aneros, they began as Butt Buzz and Chairgasms to use hlaser's term.
Laly> For those not familiar with these terms artform-- care to explain.
Buster> I bet they especially want to know about Butt Buzz.
artform> The most recent and intriguing are the Mitochondrial Orgasms we talked about this afternoon.
artform> OK Laly...
Laly> (Hi mudmage)
artform> Butt Buzz is like multi-player tag-team wrestling bouncing amongst the perineum, prostate, testicles, sacrum, lower abdominal wall below the navel, and the anus. It can escalate to mini-Os and even more intense and extensive dry-Os.
artform> Chairgasms are suddenly accelerating to a dry-O or beyond while sitting in your office at work, driving your car (Cargasms) or other seated situation.
artform> Was I glad to find hlaser's term and feel I was not alone when those things (chairs and cars) started!
artform> Mrs. a has had some similar reactions on occasion. We have had some nice day trips in the car buzzing all the way!
Laly> That's good artform.
Buster> (AF, I found the poll and sent a PM)
artform> Will check Buster. Thanks.
Laly> Thanks for the clarification on that artform.
artform> Having mixed Aneros and KSMO for early days, I was able to fairly quickly master using the key sound to amplify and direct many of the variants of these after-effects.
artform> Glad to be of help Laly.
Laly> :)
Buster> Sorry group, but I have to go. It has been a pleasure. Have a great chat.
Buster> Thank you for the great feedback.
Laly> Thanks for stopping in Buster-- take care
rumel> Take Care Buster, ciao!
artform> Hope to chat again soon Buster.
Laly> mudmage--would you like to introduce yourself ...your choice though
Laly> not mandatory
Laly> anyone want to start...introduce ourselves to mudmage :) .
rumel> I'm Rumel, newbie practioner, here to learn what I can.
Laly> Thanks rumel :)
artform> I'm artform, KSMO and Aneros practioner for about a year and a half and enjoying good progress with ecstatic energies.
artform> ... in mutual practice with my wife.
Laly> Laly, 37, female, KSMO adept of 3 years and tonite's Chat host
Laly> thanks for sharing that artform.
artform> ...should have said in early 60s age-wise.
Laly> Drew- care to share?
Laly> who would like to share next?
Laly> rumel-you were patiently waiting in early chat
artform> Laly, if Drew and mudmage are away reading/posting, could we give rumel the talking stick?
Laly> would you like to share something?
rumel> OK, I did have a couple of questions.
Laly> It is his for the taking artform :)
Laly> ask away rumel.
rumel> Are there any particular echo effects I should be looking for?
rumel> I know you said they varied, but there probably are some commonalities.
artform> Your session effects are a good guide as you have reported them to date, in part...
Laly> http://www.multiples.com/orgasmwiki/Echo_effects
Laly> here is a link for you rumel
artform> although don't shy away from something completely different either.
Laly> mine rumel-- echos usually start with tingling-- legs, back, shoulders usually
Laly> then full body goosebumps
artform> Mine began as I said earlier as small discrete balls of energy, intensifying and moving through the body slowly from the lower abdomen.
artform> A couple , to a few at first then more and more intense each time, although there were fall backs and rebuilding periods too.
artform> Then suddenly insistent waves of this rapidly pusfing up from the abdomen throughout the whole trunk and into my head.
artform> Again this became more customary and intensified over many sessions, two steps forward, one step back, all of this taking several months.
artform> Possibly took this form because of my earlier Tao explorations in 1990-91.
rumel> How frequently were you doing sessions?
Laly> me-- every other day-- just like the pdf file recommended
artform> Varied initially with prime focus of the explorations with mrs. a! Also in my hot hydrotherapy baths, deeply relaxing, every second or third day, when possible, until I mastered the silent KS, and is that handy!
rumel> artform, you seemed to have made rapid progress.
artform> It was slower than it seem for the first nine months, but it has been very rapid since early this year!
artform> Just after I started blogging here and at Aneros, things really took off.
rumel> If I experience echo effects outside of KSMO practice sessions, what are good strategies for dealing with them?
Laly> The combination of these 2 methods - it sounds
Laly> like they compliment each other in some ways- huh :).
artform> Stumbling into the bio-electric sex technique and being able to apply the Key Sound to its effects was amazing. When we recently bought and read Chia's MultiOrgasmic Couple and found that we were already there...
artform> ...all "directable by intent and Charged (as Jack describes it) Key Sound.
rumel> Laly, which two methods?
Laly> aneros and KSMO
Laly> sorry--just a little un-knowledgable about aneros method.
artform> Yes Laly, but the Key Sound is the constant as potentiater, amplifier and director.
Laly> yeah-- i sense that.
Laly> re: dealing with echos rumel
Laly> while at work I will get them time to time
Laly> i either ignore them-- as they aren't very strong
Laly> or i will find a private place , like bathroom and do a few silent or low volume KS
Laly> and that seems to help level them off and I am fine after that
Laly> but in NO way do I amplify them to point of orgasming
Laly> that is -- I have no urge to "go for it" ;).
artform> Rumel, if they begin when I am still at home, which is also my office, I go to bed and allow them to expand as they will that day and every day can be different. If not, like Laly I try to "store" and/or transform into a more chi-like general energetics like a caffeine boost, although I can't touch that stuff!
artform> I think they actually sense your responsiveness finely and if you can't be with them they behave and transform.
rumel> So what I'm hearing is to either acknowledge them but let them cool down on their own or perhaps follow them if possible?
artform> I have never been in any difficult or embarrassing situation with them.
Laly> if not very strong or annoying rumel-- i say -- acknowledge them for what they are
artform> It's back to the fawns becoming your friends and forming herd and then herds that can carry you far at great speeds when you are available, but knowing enough when you can't, and having other outlets for their high spirits!
Laly> and IF in a private place- then follow them by all means
Laly> it is all up to you on that decision
Laly> ah yes- the "chasing the fawn"
rumel> The situation hasn't presented itself yet, but I would like info on direction if it does.
Laly> let your heart guide you when they present themselves rumel
artform> The transformation/transmutation of these energies is one theme I am exploring at Tao Bums and elsewhere.
artform> Agree re: let your heart guide you... Laly!
Laly> thanks artform-- is simplest way i knew to get point out there.
rumel> artform, I am amazed at the number of forum venues you are an active participant in.
artform> In Tao the three principal energy forms after the primary Yin and Yang, are Jing, Chi/Qi and Shen.
rumel> Laly, yes I do need to let my heart lead more.
Laly> :).
artform> Just three rumel and you are all three too!
rumel> I think I have been doin that with my participation on the Aneros Forum.
artform> :D
rumel> That Forum has occupied much of my spare time.
Laly> am registered there-- but intimidated i think-- to look around more
artform> Jing is the orgasmic from sexual energy; Chi/Qi the more universal life energy; and Shen is the more spiritual ethereal universal energy, in this crude layman's terms.
rumel> Laly, there are a few other women members, but I will admit there are some men over there who are very mysoginistic.
rumel> And the discussions can be rather blunt and graphic.
artform> You are very dedicated and a great contributor at the Aneros Forum rumel.
Laly> oh that dosent bother me rumel
Laly> i grew up in all boy neighborhood
artform> Your posts to me when I arrived as newbie were among the most helpful and encouraging.
rumel> This to some of the men over there is a MAN'S CLUB, though that is rather childish.
Laly> that's great artform.
Laly> my experiences with it rumel-- are limited-- but sessions I do have-- very powerful feelings are tirggered
Laly> triggered
Laly> very different than my KS orgasms.
rumel> artform, your posts have been some of the most enlightened ones over there.
rumel> Laly, I am not following what you mean by "my experiences with it".
Laly> ummm
Laly> with aneros method
Laly> :o
artform> Thanks friend, buy I have had great guides like you and others there, and Jack and others here.
rumel> The Aneros method is using the prostate massager, and unless you've grown a prostate...???
rumel> Are you trying the Peridise model?
Laly> *sucks in breath
rumel> Thats the only one designed for both men and women.
Laly> no -- i use something lil different
rumel> I have heard reports of women using the Progasm as a G-spot stimulator.
Laly> i have the pleasure curve
rumel> No matter, the Aneros method does share the need to focus on subtle sensations for arousal build-up.
rumel> but it involves allowing tension to build as well.
Laly> hmm-- i felt no tension at all
artform> Laly, I think I recall you mentioning the pleasure curve awhile ago in a previous chat...
rumel> That's probably due to your KSMO training.
Laly> hlaser was surprised in what i used == my "toy"
Laly> the orgasm came so fast and hard-- i wasn't prepared for what i felt
artform> ...and that is why I enquired about orgasm and female ejaculation in the earlier chat today.
Laly> artform (blushing a very deep red) -- this was an anally-based orgasm
Laly> totally new feelings were triggered-- even
artform> That's great too Laly! The erectile tissues going back from the clitoris can reach back to the rectal muscle wall too. Perfectly natural.
Laly> will admit may have even scared me -- at intensity
rumel> Laly, you might want to check out the Aneros Peridise model for a play toy
Laly> yeah-- okay
Laly> will look into it
rumel> For such a small device, it really delivers some nice stimulation, and all hands free.
Laly> :)
artform> The intensity there is reported to be so great for some that it feels like pain at first. Glad that was not that severe for you Laly.
Laly> thanks artform-- it was more like-- a shooting rocket feeling
Laly> straight up the spine
Laly> gasped and shuddered
Laly> wept
Laly> like touched a live wire
Laly> a good feeling though.
artform> That straight up the spine is wonderful and wonderfully promising response!
Laly> lol-- 0 to 120 mph.
Laly> in 2 seconds.
rumel> That IS pretty intense, can't say Ive had an orgasm do that to me yet.
Laly> i thought so too artform.
artform> That may mean that you were achieving excellent sacrum stimulation, rather than back of clitoris.
Laly> rumel-- this is after i have been re-wired KSMO wise
rumel> Well then I've got something to look forward to.
Laly> :)
Laly> k-- i need to head off to bed in few minutes.
Laly> am gald to share something like this with you two.
Laly> glad.
artform> rumel have you read equalityboy's thread and darwin's explorations there at aneros on the sacrum stimulation?
Laly> not all that familiar with aneros fourm and how or where to post this
Laly> or even IF i should.
rumel> Yes we've been chatting for 2 1/2 hours now, I am not sure you should necessarily post this over there.
Laly> sweet dreams to he both of you
artform> Thank you so much Laly for sharing this. We are all on the same journey together.
artform> Goodnight Laly. Hugs and best wishes for sweet dreams!
rumel> artform, I have read those threads.
Laly> :).
Laly> bfn
rumel> Yes Laly thanks for sharing and being a good host in Jack's stead.
rumel> Good night to you and good night to you too artform.
artform> I second that motion: thanks so much Laly.
artform> Goodnight rumel and thanks for this great chat. More soon.
rumel> I gotta go as well. Bye all
Laly> Hi Mog
Laly> When Jack is able to get back online-- the late night Chat transcript from last nite will hopefully be posted
tiphereth> Jack...sory no KS post yet:rolleyes: Definitely talk at you on the next chat. Been buisy.
mog> Hi Laly - missed you again!
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Session stop: Tue Oct 7 21:50:24 2008