Session start: Sat Sep 27 22:07:06 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080926
rumel> Hello Laly
rumel> Tiphereth, in case you see this I left you a PM over on the Aneros site.
rumel> Yo, Laly - Yes that avatar IS you!
Laly> thanks Rumel
Laly> if you'd like rumel-- i can explain why I had other picture there
Laly> a fellow KSMO member painted that and sent me a photo of it
Laly> when I opened it & put on my laptop as a desktop background picture
Laly> I was immediately drawn into the picture
Laly> could feel the rocks beneath my feet, hear the water falling, the birds singing
Laly> when i reached the top-- i was in AWE
Laly> by the beauty before me
Laly> I sat down and just listened to nature and laid down upon the ground
Laly> and just smiled -- was so full of love
Laly> just recall all this-- the tears flow and am smiling
Laly> return "trips" revealed more to me--
Laly> as I experienced this-- I was opening more to the KSMO method and experiencing multiples
Laly> WITHOUT having to use the key sound at all.
rumel> I figured it had some significant meaning for you, but it doesn't convey that depth of feeling at the reduced scale
rumel> and it is an externalized representation of the world outside of you, not a metaphorical symbol of you, as perhaps an avatar should be.
rumel> My vision of you is as a reflection of your power spirit guide, serenly dwelling within your heart, always present to lend you her radiant power, courage and determination.
Jack> Hey rumel, I've just posted a reply to your post of your Key Sound™ articulation sample. Thanks for posting it!
Jack> Hi tiphereth! Speaking of posting of Key Sound™ for my review, I hope you'll go ahead and re-attach the .mp3 sample so I may give you feedback on yourarticulation as well!
tiphereth> Ill try to get it to you before the chat.
tiphereth> You get fully moved ?
Jack> Yes we did! We are now official Permanent Residents of Canada! Although we still retain our U.S. Citizenship and our publishing company still lives there. Thanks for asking! I hope to see you in at least one of the chats this weekend. Are you gonna go ahead and re-post your Key Sound™ sample? :D
tiphereth> Have to make another one.
rumel> Jack where do I find your evaluation of my articulation?
tiphereth> Hey Rumel...if hes on..it says hes on.
Jack> Tiphereth... Ok, I look forward to it. Remember it needs to be in .mp3 format (saves disk space!).
rumel> Hi tiphereth, how are you this eve?
tiphereth> Understood.
Jack> rumel my feedback about your Key Sound™ articulation is posted as a reply to the post to which you attached your KS sample - in the private Free Validation area.
tiphereth> Im good Rumel. How are you?
Jack> rumel, you can subscribe to that thread just like any other and you'll get notified by email whenever I post a reply.
Jack> Do either of you guys have any other questions or comments for me? I need to take care of some other biz but want to give you the opportunity to ask, if you have any.
tiphereth> all good for now Jack. Thank you though.
Jack> y/w Tiph! ;)
tiphereth> later.
Jack> Bfn! JJ - out for now!
Ageless> Hey Rumel -- you still here?
Ageless> Guess not -- will talk to you later -- hope all is well with you:)
rumel> Hi Ageless
rumel> Hi Laly, I can't stay but FYI, I also gave Jack a copy of the test.mp3 file for review.
Laly> Hi rumel-- that's wonderful!!
Laly> I listened to a little bit of it
Laly> tonite
Laly> I loved it ...very relaxing ...easy to follow
Laly> hi dig1976 and shantinatura
Laly> welcome to the Forum...if you have any questions-
Laly> feel free to ask me --
Laly> I hope you to see you in chat tomorrow
Jack> ***** Welcome to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger™ Training and Discussion Chat of 20081004 hosted personally by Jack Johnston MA!
Jack> Hi Laly and Ageless!
Ageless> Good morning Jack and Laly
Jack> For the benefit of people who'll read this transcript how about each of you give a brief introduction,
Jack> describing why you were attracted to this practice, how long you've been involved, and how it's affected your life?
Jack> Hi rumel, same question for you of course! :)
rumel> Hi, I’m Rumel, been practicing for two weeks now, had heard about this practice from the Aneros site and thought I’d give this a shot at enhancing my orgasmic abilities. It hasn’t affected my life at all so far.
Ageless> OK -- i AM THE OLDEST (i BELIEVE) IN AGE MEMBER, BUT ONE OF THE NEWER MEMBERS having started in June this year, I live in Minnesota. I was attractred to the process when I becamew awaqre how shut off I was to sexual feelings. I hoped the practice would awaken my body. IT IS! I also heard of this site on the Aneros site. That practice was not working for me. This one is. Sex never felt so good.
Ageless> Strange things are happening though. I might wait and post what they are in a blog.
Jack> Yes, two weeks is pretty early in the process, rumel. One of the greater challenges is expecting quick results. Paradoxically, for many people, as long as one is attached to some kind of early dramatic breakthrough and especially if they label everything else as nothing is happening, it seems at least in some cases to create a cognitive block to accessing the experience. This is not a criticism of you personally, just a word to the wise.
Ageless> Hi rumel!!!:)
Jack> Thanks Ageless! Well after the introductions, I hope you'll go ahead and give us some idea of the strange things happening, you tease! :) And yes, you trump Adept Mog's age by about a year. :D
rumel> Jack, I am not expecting any quick results, I realize some things take time to manifest, the earth takes a long time to create a diamond!
Ageless> Mogs just a kid as far as I am concerned
rumel> Yes Ageless, give us more PLEASE !
Jack> Understood, rumel... My comments were not just addressed to you personally, but for the benefit of the subsequent readers of the transcript. Just beware of the cognitive frame of nothing at all as it may set the stage for overlooking the subtlety of the initial responses.
rumel> Understood.
Jack> LOL, Ageless re: Mog. Yes he's quite a lively young rascal at age 77 / 78!
Ageless> Strange things? For starters, my sexual ejaculations are much weaker. They are there, and more of them. At the same time, the pleasure is far more intense in that it is starting to involve my entire genital area.
Jack> Also rumel, and for the benefit of the general readership, there is also a notable subgroup of people who try really hard to get this, get frustrated and / or disappointed, set it aside, and come back to it as later as several years and then are able to access the orgasmic rushes quite readily.
Jack> Ageless, are you saying that although there seems to be less volume to your ejaculations, that the pleasure associated with them is more extensive and intense?
Ageless> My KSMO sessions, and those sexual sessions in between when I just feel like doing it are becoming more complex and involving my entire body. At first, I was experiencing tremors in just my genitals, then it spread over time to my whole body. Thewn my pelvic area started to have convulsions. Earlier this week, my entire upper body had convulsion. It just let them happen until they ran their course. This did not happen this morning. Just pleaserable trembling.
Ageless> There is more volume of sperm, but the "pumps" are mild feeling. Less force than what I am used to.
artform> Hi All!
Ageless> Earlier this week I experienced what was probably my first ejaculation where (when) I also felt the pleasure thoughout the entire area. It was neat:):)
rumel> Ageless,Out of curiosity have you been listening to ‘Alana’ ?
Ageless> HI artform -- glad you are here.
Jack> Hey artform, Welcome!
rumel> Hi artform!
Laly> (hi artform)
Jack> fyi Ageless has the Talking Stick at the moment. I hope you'll scan back to the beginning of this chat to get up to speed and also answer the question I asked of everyone, once it's your turn for the Talking Stick. :) VERY nice to have you here today!
artform> I'm just catching up on your conversation so far and will be back in a minute or two.
Ageless> I have been listening to the disk a couple of times. I sense I do better without it. It hooks into my left brain. I find I do better if I shut off the left brain and just "feel" the sensations without any interpreatations or thoughts. I believe this is right brain activity.
Ageless> It has become a sort of Segal type mindless meditation.
Jack> (k artform, I look forward to it!)
Jack> I tend to agree Ageless!
Ageless> One thing I will say -- It sure as hell feels good.
Jack> To some degree, and for some people - it depends on their particular cognitive style I think - the disks are like training wheels. For others, they are like a welcome companion that shares the Adventure.
rumel> What's 'Segal type mindless meditation'?
Jack> < Ageless... And THAT is what it's all about, eh matey? :D
Jack> Thanks for that question rumel!
artform> I think your point about different cognitive styles is key Jack.
artform> Intention too.
Jack> Thanks, artform!
Ageless> It is a process where one just "feels" his body or parts of it as desired. If a thought comes up while doing it, just say to yourself "I'm thinking" and stop doing it. Just feel sensations. There can be both horizontal and vertical integration.
Jack> That sounds like a very useful way to frame the practice, Ageless, and obviously it's paying off for you!
Ageless> Intension IS very important. I intend (for example) to feel what sexual pleasure feels like
Ageless> Rumel, I have two or three CDs that describe the practice. I am trying to figure out how to get you copies.
artform> Ageless, the process you describe is how I cured my duodenal ulcers at the same time I was going through puberty!...
Ageless> WOW
artform> ...and several other things in the fifty years since!!! LOL!
Jack> [ Hey, Grandmaster Mog is in the House! I hope he might pop in to the chat! ]
Ageless> I found memories do come up. When they do, I just note them and work on them at another time.
Laly> nice
Ageless> Grandmater Mog??? Hi youngster.
Jack> Ageless, if it's ok with you all you can post his email here temporarily, and then I can delete it from the transcript in just a few minutes, to maintain privacy vis a vis the general public.
artform> There is an inevitable search/mapping process that seems to go on when doing this kind of body/mind work.
Laly> fine by me
Jack> Ageless, very good strategy re: the memories. And it IS important to indeed address them at a later time. They are coming up now saying heal ME!.
artform> Sir Mog, how are things in Multiorgattainia?
Jack> HEY, Very Warm Welcome to Newbie dig1976!!!
Ageless> Jack -- I have Rumel's E-mail. Don't know if I can attach CDs.
artform> Hi dig1976!
Laly> hello dig1976
Jack> [ Ageless, if you have his email you can prolly get his snail mail addy from him if you ask. ]
Ageless> Hello did. Can you tell me something about yourself? The others I know.
rumel> Ageless, You can get a free account with YouSendIt.com to send large files (up to 100 MB).
Ageless> Jack, great idea.
Ageless> Disks are not on my computer. Got them at a workshop.
Laly> can you copy them to computer ageless?
Ageless> Probably. I used the computer to make copies so I should be able to store them.
artform> Ageless, you mentioned the "vertical and horizontal integration" in your meditation. Could you tell us more about those dimensions?
Jack> Hey good question, artform... Thanks for asking it!
Ageless> Sure. Vertical is feeling the entire body from toes to head. Horizontal is having same sensations on both sides of the body. This integrates the right and left brain.
artform> Great! Thanks!
artform> Reintegration is where we are at!
Ageless> There are other integations. (7?) Don't recall names One is feel the feelings produced by a picture. Opposed to this is see the picture an emotion generates
Ageless> Ya -- reintegration is what you talk about in your motto isn't it artform?
Ageless> I have only beendoing it for about 9 months.
Ageless> I first learned it from a Budhist Monk
artform> Yes, there is lots of this kind of discussion at The Tao Bums too.
Ageless> I misinformed you all. The disks are by Dan Siegel. He has three or more books. And I have 5 disks.
Ageless> Whatever I am doing, its working. I still have not experienced an orgastic wave or pulse, but the pleasure even without that keeps getting stronger, and spreading.
Laly> it sounds like you are "right on track" ageless
artform> Great progress Ageless!
Ageless> My echoes? I will be doing something and become aware of pleasure in my lower back and pelvic area. This leads me to lie down, touch my nipples a couple of times, and away I go into orgastic pleasure.
Laly> sweet!
Jack> Ageless are you using the Key Sound™ at all during these sensations to further amplify the arousal?
Ageless> Maybe I am doing it too often. Kog, any comments. The other day I did it 3 times. And twice I had two waves. Things would get intense, and them a quite spell. Stroke my nipples once, and away I would go again.
Ageless> Oh ya, I use the key sound. At first, this didn't have much affect. The results now of using the key sound seems to be intensifying
Jack> What suggests to you that you may be doing the Key Sound™ too often?
Jack> Oh maybe I misunderstood your prior statement. What was it that you thought you were doing too often? You said it and maybe I misunderstood to what it you were referring! :)
Ageless> I find when I get lost in the sensations, I will be using the key sound on almost every breath. I don't know if this is good or bad. I have recently found that deep breathing is important to. Didn't do this for a long time.
Jack> I'm glad to hear that your Key Sound™ does seem to have the arousal-amplifying effect!
Jack> Yeah I think if you do the Key Sound™ that might be, as Barry Stevens used to say, Pushing the River a bit. :)
Ageless> Jack -- going into the orgastic pleasure area to often. I am not a kid (like Mog) any more. I must have done it 8 to 10 mtimes last week.
Ageless> When I find myself using the key sound every breath, I stop doiung it and instead use just deep breaths
Jack> Of course if it's working for you, then why fix it? But my intuition is to use the Key Sound™ more or less like I describe in the Protocol, that is, to allow 2 to 4 regular relaxing breaths in between... this gives your body some breathing room to allow the waves to get stronger.
artform> Ageless, do you find you have cycles of intensity of "going for it" or feeling like that through the month or other intervals?
Jack> It's of course a little different for each person so it's good to experiment, and then every so often come back to the Multiple Orgasm Trigger Protocol™ as I describe it in the CDs and in the pdf document, just to discover what effect it may have... That is, vary from it when your intuition prompts you to do so, then return to it once in a while to discover what might happen.
artform> I found that pattern very helpful too Jack!
Ageless> I still have trouble stopping various types of contractions in my genitals. They often feel like weak ejaculation contractions. They will set up a rhythm and keep going until I work on relaxing out of them.
Jack> Why do you want to stop them?
Ageless> Artform, I don't understand your question
Jack> Thanks for the confirm, artform!
rumel> Yes, Why try to stop them at all?
Jack> BTW, I personally think that it's ok to just go for it once in a while too! :cool:
artform> Ageless, I meant your comment about "8 to 10 times in a week" or do you have weeks of lesser and greater "lower back" O-zone signals?
Laly> I think artform is asking if you experience feeling of "going for it" at all
Ageless> I don't know Jack. I sometimes think it might just be a way of draining off energy rather than let that energy reinforce other orgasmic energies.
artform> At times, right on Laly. Thanks.
Jack> Ageless, how about instead of trying to relax out of them, exploring relaxing into them?! ;)
Jack> At least some of the time, just to find out what might happen!
Laly> if i may say something jack?
rumel> It seems to me the contractions can be reinforcing energy too.
Ageless> Laly, I do feel the desire to just go for it from time to time. And the echoes that seem to be driving it does vary. Some days there are none. Other days they will be obvious. Sometimes the echoes are there when I wake up, other times, Far less often, in the night. Often, they are there during breakfast.
Jack> Laly, I think you know the answer to your question. :)
artform> I should clarify. I meant you responding to your lower back signal and "going for it" in the sense of lying down and the nipple stim into "orgastic pleasures". It may have become confused with ejaculation?
Laly> question-- wasnt aware i asked a one
Ageless> Maybe it was artform
Jack> Laly, the line you typed just before this last one ended with a question mark.
Ageless> I get behind as I am a two fingure typer
Laly> oh -- that :) yeah
Jack> ( yeah I thought going for it meant going for ejaculation, I may have misinterpreted, as that phrase is so commonly used to refer to going for ejaculation. )
Laly> Agelees re: jack's comment about relaxing into the contractions
Jack> < Laly ;)
Laly> and the echos effects -- and "going for it"
artform> Ageless, I have to agree though with Jack and rumel, it may well be worth seeing where those rhythmic genital contractions take you! Or where you could intentionally take them later using the key sound!
Laly> I am going share a lil story with you
Laly> on and off all day thursday I was feeling echos along my spine and across my back
Ageless> Question? What does an ejaculation feel like using KSMO? Are the contractions I am experiencing an ejaculation? It certainly isn't like a sexual ejaculation resulting from intercourse or masturbation.
Ageless> Laly -- you have the talking stick now.
Laly> well- i'll answer the question u just asked ageless-- from a feminine point of view - k
Ageless> Great
Laly> what does ejaculation feel like using KSMO-- well for me
Laly> 1. the level of energy is totally different
Laly> with a KSMO-induced or enhanced orgasm-- I am totally relaxed
Laly> that is not feeling anxious or tensing up like I used to - when orgasming
Laly> the anger I used to have surrounding pre-KSMO orgasms is gone
Laly> what it feels like for me now-- sheer and utter peace
Laly> senses and feelings are heightened beyond belief-- I weep
Laly> instead of cursing it- i now say thank you :)
Laly> Honestly-- can save I "i love you" to self again
Laly> *lays talking stick down and wipes tears
artform> blessings Laly
Ageless> Wow -- thank you for sharing that. I had tears come up as I read what you were saying.
Jack> Ooh NICE slip i.e. gift from your subconscious: ...can save I love you to self again...
Laly> ohh god-- i didnt even see that jack
rumel> Interesting typo. Laly – “Honestly- can save I…”
Laly> <is blushing
Jack> we on the same page rumel re: Laly's very wise subconscious slip! :)
rumel> Yes it was very cool indeed!
Laly> is hard to see thru tears to type :o
Laly> pre ksmo-- they were basically genitally based only
Laly> with KSMO-- whole body is invloved
artform> "invloved" is great too!
Jack> Wow GOOD one, artform!!!
Laly> *sighs
Laly> k- gonna shut up now
artform> Laly, I have a question that could help mrs. a, if that would be OK?
rumel> Yep, Laly is giving herself some wonderful self support.
Laly> sure artform--
Jack> Yeah Laly, just notice and really appreciate how much LOVING your subconscious is sending to you! That is REAL HEALING from the inside out!
Jack> ( I wholly agree, rumel! )
artform> At the beginning you mentioned you would comment on how "ejaculation" using KSMO from a feminine point of view feels.
Laly> yes
artform> Did you mean orgasm then, or did you mean female ejaculation too?
artform> Mrs. a is struggling with hers a bit, but has not applied Key Sound yet
Laly> orgasming or F.E.? artfrom
artform> I have wondered if she could complete when she feels like she is about to with a boost from key sounding?
Laly> artform-
artform> F.E. thanks Laly.
artform> No problem with dry orgasms
Laly> okay
Laly> I do recall-- and talking years ago here- memory wise
Laly> that as women age-- the natural ability to "lubricate" the vaginal wall deteriorates
Laly> or decreases.
Laly> I 've noticed that I am starting my -- oh lost name they call that
Laly> menopause- that's it!! lol.
Laly> and to answer the question--i think she could
artform> Mrs. a is post-menopause now and the lube situation we have solved.
Laly> okay.
artform> The situation is when a G-spot focused build-up grows for her, she sometimes has a full ejaculation of the "flowing waters of the goddess" and sometimes can't seem to let go or it goes inward and into the bladder instead.
Jack> artform, if you don't mind and mrs. a wouldn't, would you share how you solved it, for the benefit of others?
artform> I was wondering back to your earlier comment about KSMO and feminine "ejaculation", if you had found Key Sounding played any role or otherwise altered an FE?
Jack> artform re that difficulty of letting go, that could be an ideal time to use a Key Sound™... in effect, to use a vocal ejaculation of energy to perhaps facilitate the flowing waters release.
artform> No problem Jack! Liberal lashings of a good water-based personal lubricant! LOL!
Jack> That is, for mrs. a to use the Key Sound™ at that time.
Jack> Of course, it might ALSO be facilitative for you, with eye-contact with her at that moment, to use a Key Sound™ with the intent of coursing your energy through her release.
artform> That is my thought too, Jack thanks. She has not yet pursued her own KS practice, since mine has done so much for both of us to date!
Jack> [ re: lube, thanks for the info artform, which brand? ]
Jack> I'm very glad to hear that your practice is benefiting her so much! I may be way off here, but I did get an intuitive inkling that her hesitancy might be based on a subconsciously repressed emotional furball. I'm saying possibly, not definitely.
artform> ID Glide. We had tried it and liked it and found a vast tank of it as a bargain!:D
Jack> Thanks! Could you please email me the details about where you found it? Thanks!
Ageless> Have to go now. Thanks for your support everyone.
artform> I think you may be right re possible furball. And I hope that she will take up her own KS practice soon.
artform> Will do re email.
rumel> Bye Ageless
artform> Ageless, hope to chat with you soon.
Laly> if she'd like ageless- i'd be more than happy to speak with her
Laly> take care ageless :)
Jack> Take care Ageless, thanks VERY much for being here today and sharing all you have!
Ageless> Jack, its a great learning experience for all of us.:):D
Jack> Artform re: taking up the KS practice, she may need some help and support addressing the furball or furballs before commencing the KSMO practice. Again, just a suggestion, not a pronouncement. :)
artform> Laly, mrs. a is now thinking she would like to do her own email and the like, and I do hope she will join in these chats too soon or email with you, thank you very much.
Laly> would be an honor ageless :D
Laly> WOW-- that was something huh
Jack> artform, please note your too soon... fyi, with respect...
artform> If you have read my recent blog posts you will see that we have lept ahead in ecstatic orgasmic adventuring with crown chakra and beyond mutual orgasmic journeys.
Jack> Yes... just wondering about possible linkage between chats too soon and possible unresolved emotional furballs.
artform> that should have been "...chats too, soon..."
Jack> Again, just for your consideration, with love and respect for both of you.
Laly> :)
Jack> Yes, noted, but I also hope you'll consider that so-called slips may actually be gifts from our subconscious. :)
Laly> am glad i'm not the only one being "teased" today ;)
artform> Thanks for your thoughts on this Jack. There is one furball that is mutually acknowledged and has recently surfaced again. I agree with observing these "slips", very much so.
Jack> You're very welcome, artform.
rumel> Laly, I was not teasing you, I was trying to point out some things you were saying to yourself.
Jack> Laly, I agree re: tease, in the sense of teasing out... Are you familiar with that expression?
Laly> no
artform> Mrs. a and I are having wonderful mutual orgasmic adventure thanks to KSMO and my Aneros work, but we are two different human beings, each with our own very different life experiences, although sharing life's experience together for almost 40 years!
Laly> take no offense rumel - wasn't blaming anyone in here.
rumel> I know you weren't blaming.
Jack> That is REALLY wonderful, artform!
artform> I can hardly wait until she is doing her own emails and the like! I recently did a post about some of that summercamp boys experimenting that we talked about with Ageless on a previous chat...
Jack> Laly, re: teasing out... although the Wiktionary doesn't offer a precise definition, this Google result may help you tease out its meaning! ;)
Jack> artform, could you please provide the link to that post?
artform> ...over in the Aneros Forum. Mrs. a refers to my participation in these chats and on the Forums as me "being back in summer camp"..., which to a degree is fun, but also speaks of some possible form of furball. :)
Laly> (thanks Jack)
Jack> Thanks for the clarification, artform!
Jack> y/w Laly! :)
rumel> "... some possible furball." for whom you or mrs. a?
artform> Summer Camp link: http://aneros.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3204
Jack> Excellent, artform... Thanks!
artform> rumel, a difference in views on solo practice, tied to some of her upbringing possibly.
rumel> OK ,a possible furball of hers?
artform> The Summer Camp link takes one to the Poll on "Male Sexual Orientation Here" in the Community Polls section of the Aneros Forum. I also started a Poll on Day-After Effects there which may be of interest re Echo Effects here.
Jack> That would certainly make sense, artform, as MANY cultures insist that women must exclusively look to men as the source (control) of any erotic pleasure, to the extent that such pleasure is permitted to women at all!
artform> I think that is the general area too Jack.
artform> While we are talking about our/my practice, could I add one other development?
Laly> sure
Jack> Please!
artform> I have been pursuing the mitochondrial orgasm using KS and can now call it up at will.
Jack> Excellent!!!
rumel> Could you explain what a mitochondrial orgasm is to you?
Jack> For the readers, would you please go ahead and post the link to the definition of mitochondrial orgasm?
Jack> LOL rumel, we're on the same page once again! :D
Laly> :)
artform> And the science of this is something that another poster at The Tao Bums has added to. Recently, without any premeditation or waking intent, I had a full body Mitochondrial Orgasm a day or two after an Aneros session treating my BPH problem.
Jack> BPH?
artform> Mitochondria are the independent lifeform that lives in all our cells and all other animal cells. It has its own DNA (by which we trace matrilinearity since sperm are the only exception and do not contain mitochondria).
artform> Mitochondria produce all of our cellular energies. Without them we can't live. In our heart tissues, they produce the pulsed energy of the heart muscle. Here a link to an explanatory scientific paper: http://www.biophysj.org/cgi/content/full/91/11/4317 .
artform> Jack, note the fractal nature index!!!:D:D:cool:
Jack> Thanks artform!
rumel> BPH = Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia = enlarged prostate
Jack> Here is the link to the mitochondrial orgasm thread at taobums.com
Jack> Thanks rumel re: BPH.
artform> As we age, so do our mitochondria and their reproductive rate slows. Their health is also effected by the toxins and pharmaceuticals we ingest too. (I almost spelled that inJEST! LOL!)
Jack> [ sidebar ]The incredible mystery of the mitochondria and their essential role in supporting our life is an incredible story!
Jack> So I guess it includes the recreational pharmas perhaps!
Jack> ( was re: inJest )
artform> BPH is Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia, which afflicts many man in their late-middle and senior years. I have suffered from this for over a decade. The aneros began as a medical device to treat BPH, and accidentally men began having these orgasmic adventures and experiencing the "Rewiring".
Laly> WOW
artform> Thanks guys for infilling meaning earlier!:)
rumel> It is a condition I too share with artform.
artform> So, I think we may well be syncing our mitochondria for some if not all forms of orgasmic variants we are exploring and experiencing so wonderfully through these practices. That's the hypothesis.
Jack> Thanks for sharing that information, rumel. It helps others who read this and may have the condition feel more supported.
Laly> has me spell-bound for sure :)
Jack> artform that hypothesis resonates for me. I take that feeling of resonance as a YES from the mitochondria! :D
artform> The second part is this: we may be doing so via the quantum level microtubule signalling that may well be the mitochondria's link mode.
artform> Each time I have one of these MtOs Jack I feel that ever more strongly too! :D
rumel> Correct if I’m wrong but I get the feeling you are saying a Full Body Orgasm = mitochondrial orgasm – Yes?
Jack> Cool, artform! And... re: microtubules... Way to really stir the Cauldron!!! Here's Wiki re microtubule.
Laly> not necessarily rumel
artform> No, it is a particular form of energetic inward-focused after-effect initially spreading to full body, but very different than a Super-O for example.
rumel> What then are its characteristics to differentiate it from other forms of orgasm?
artform> Today I had the strongest singular aneros after effect yet (a day of Butt Buzz in the O-zone being a frequent favourite!), two days after a great session with my Eupho, ending with a BPH treatment, cleaning the pipes! This morning as I was resting in bed after waking, I began to have a familiar feeling...
Laly> very good question rumel :) .
artform> Below is the first section of my aneros description of the latest one...
artform> t was the energies rising and the campfires lighting up at all the key points throughout my lower abdomen! For over an hour and quarter the scintillations spread throughout my body and especially down my legs and down my arms and into my hands until they felt like they were radiating powerfully. This was another in the series of Mitochondrial Orgasms I have been having, but this was the first that was purely based on an aneros session.
artform> 2nd section below:
artform> Here is my blog description of the first of these: http://www.aneros.com/displayentry.php?id=261
artform> The focus of most intensity shifted as each area: perineum, prostate, sacrum, navel and below, and scrotum! And then, without any engorgement, my penis lit up like the most spectacular morning sunrise and glowed inwardly with an unbelievable intensity, while staying perfectly still. This light filled my whole body and slowly subsided until this astounding dry orgasm, "above and beyond" but experienced inwardly, slowly levelled out to soft and contented landing...
artform> Below is the third and last section of the most recent event.
Jack> artform, thanks VERY much for including those details!
rumel> Well, It sounds like a wonderful experience, I hope to have one of those someday.
Jack> Whew this chat has been really FULL of information, and some wonderful sharing. You all ROCK!!! I'm going to need to excuse myself from the chat in a few, but will be back in channel for the next hosted chat at 7pm Pacific Daylight Time, that is, 0200 GMT Sunday.
Laly> patience rumel-- it wil come ,, when you're body is ready
artform> Rumel, the characteristics are gentle small energies rapidly intensifying but staying small in area, microscopic. Then these form clusters and fill out the whole body, until you feel like the Forest Moon of Endor pulsating to the Ewok Festival climax of the second trilogy of Star Wars, where incidentally all (the principal characters were reconnected
Laly> okay Jack
rumel> May the Force be with us All!
artform> So, think of and love your millions and millions of mitochondria often! They may well love you back!
Laly> :)
artform> Indeed, rumel, friend!!!
Jack> Please feel free to continue as long chatting as long as you like, since as always, this ChatZone is open 24/7 for precisely that purpose. I hope to see you at the next chat, which will officially ( ahem, ha ha ) begin in about 5 hrs 13 minutes from this post. Thanks again to EACH of you for sharing so much. Til next time... au revoir! Please DO continue this fascinating and informative discussion!
Jack> bfn! - JJ
Laly> bfn jack
artform> Thanks Jack Canuck! Chat again soon!
rumel> Goodbye jack I'll get my questions in on the next round.
Laly> looking forward to them rumel :)
artform> Me too rumel.
artform> That is looking forward to yours!
Laly> anything you'd like to discuss rumel??
rumel> So Drew is in love with 'Alana" huh?
artform> I'm still here too, if you are interested rumel, although I don't appear in the chatbox.
Laly> refresh your screen artform
Laly> yes he is rumel-- i had to laugh n smile when he told me that
rumel> artform, Have you visited the CDBaby site to sample "HypnAerosession"?
rumel> Laly, you could direct Drew to the same sit to hear some more from 'Alana'.
Laly> he has the information rumel
Laly> but i will let him know there is more "ALANA" to listen to
artform> I have and hope to order a set soon! I also look forward to the SOS temporary tattoos! :D
rumel> There's about 15 minutes worth of samples there.
Laly> the one thing that umm concerns me rumel
artform> That sounds like more than when I tried it just after the CDBaby announcement.
Laly> using that single touch-for me
rumel> yes, Laly...
Laly> but I will try it and see
Laly> if nothing more-- i have a date with bathtub and then practice
Laly> love n light to you both
artform> That sounds like a great idea Laly!
rumel> I still don't know what "concerns" you. Can you elaborate?
Laly> re: touch ....coming from abuse background-- i find it hard to touch myself-- down there , intimately
artform> Hugs Laly, and many thanks to you.
artform> See you both tonight here.
artform> BFN
Laly> bfn artform HUGS back
rumel> Bye artform, have a good evening.
rumel> Laly, Can you give youself full permission to play and explore you body with the eyes of a child?
Laly> if i didn't or can't , i wouldnt be right here-- right now rumel
Laly> but yes-- i could
rumel> Where is the "...hard..." aspect lodged in your thought processes?
Laly> that somehow-- it was/is wrong
rumel> Good starting point for asking yourself why you feel it might be "wrong"
rumel> It might be RIGHT!
Laly> yeah...
rumel> Enculturation of belief systems is difficult to ferret out but worth the effort.
rumel> Some very interesting thought emerge when we challenge our previous notions.
Laly> i agree
Laly> that's why I said I was going to try it again
Session stop: Sat Oct 4 21:24:37 2008