Session start: Sat Sep 20 21:20:33 2008
Jack> Latest chat transcript is available here : Multiple Orgasm Trigger(tm) Discussion ChatBox Transcript of 20080919
zeitgeist> Hi Laly!
Laly> Hi Zeit (HUGS)
Laly> just reading your latest post-- way to go sweetie!!
Laly> really resonates with my latest KS session last week
Laly> in fact- posted on my blog, my latest terror at the gate...meeting that head on yesterday
Laly> I was going to reply to your thread and then head over to my blog and finish it out
Ageless> Thanks for the suggestion Laly -- I will follow up on it.
rumel> Hi Ageless, How you doin'
Ageless> Hi Rumel -- great to hear from you.
rumel> What's happenin'
Ageless> I am having trouble with logging onto Aneros. Don't know why yet but am working on it. THey have not answered my inquiry to them yet.
rumel> I've just barely put a big toe into the KSMO waters.
rumel> Sorry to hear about that problem.
Ageless> Might be my computer, although I can log onto other sites like this one
rumel> Have you got 'cookies' enabled for the Aneros site?
rumel> I wish sites would make known when 'cookies' are needed.
Ageless> KSMO coming along OK, but I think Ihave a big fury ball. I was tought as a child, and as a result of my sexual abuse, to NOT feel sexual. WHAT A CONFLICT between this belief and KSMO.
Ageless> How do I enable cookies for that site?
rumel> Try thinking the word 'sensual' instead of 'sexual'?
rumel> You enable 'cookie' control through your Browser, not through the specific site.
Ageless> That I am doing and it helps. I keep moving deeper. Lately I notice KSMO is giving me a good start on an erection when I really get into it. And I felt the first energy surge (briefly) in my upper back. And my stomach area and pubic area above my cock is coming to life.
rumel> Hey Buster, you're back.
rumel> That's cool, I just did my first two sessions over the last 4 days.
Ageless> GREAT -- how did it go?
rumel> Oops, Buster left us.
rumel> I got a couple of echo effects I think.
Ageless> I am thinking of trying hypnosis on some of my old tapes.
rumel> I posted them into my Blog.
Ageless> I will check it out.
rumel> Yeah, I'm using a recorded hypno-script myself.
Ageless> Which one?
rumel> There seems to be a lot of latency on this chat channel.
Ageless> Is it aimed at sexual/sensual feelings?
Ageless> Ya -- don't know why.
rumel> I'm going to log out and log back in, you can read my second Blog while I go off and return shortly.
Ageless> OK
rumel> OK, hopefully this is quicker.
rumel> Yes it has an erotic orientation.
Ageless> Lets try it
rumel> The hypnosession is my own custom fabrication.
Ageless> What CD is it and where did you get it.
rumel> I created it myself.
Ageless> OK, so its yours. Great!!! BUt that doesn't help me!!!!
Ageless> Good ork Rumel. I am proud of yoy for doing that.
rumel> Well I could send you part of it.
rumel> If you'll give me feedback, I eventually do want to produce one for sales.
Ageless> I might be able to create my own. I know self hypnosis.
Ageless> Please do send me what you can. It will be appriciated
rumel> How long have you been using the KSMO protocol.
Ageless> I will give you my feedback. Its something that is needed
Ageless> I started in about mid June.
rumel> I'll need to strip out the part using Jack's sample vocalization, I don't want to infringe on his copyrighted work.
Ageless> Echoes can happen at the damnest times. Middle of the night -- upon awakening -- half way through breakfast -- even while dring my car. Have to stop that one though -- bummer
rumel> The file is pretty big, so I use YouSendit.com as a transfer service.
Ageless> Send me what you can
rumel> You will get a notice from them that a file is ready for download.
Ageless> What do I have to do to get it? You have my E-mail address if that helps.
rumel> So don't delete it as SPAM.
rumel> There will be instructions how to download it.
Ageless> I can do that!
rumel> They notify you through an email, then you log on and download it.
rumel> Are the echoes youare getting totally random events?
Ageless> When might I get it?
rumel> I'll work on this evening, send it out tomorrow.
Ageless> Yes, they are random. I just start to feel the pleasurable sensations. All I have to do then is lightly brush my nipples and say the KSMO sound. Things then start to build.
rumel> Please don't go sharing this with others as it is my own copyrighted material.
Ageless> I like to be on my bed when I do it though. With something under my knees.
rumel> What happens if you are in the middle of an important meeting or something?
Ageless> I certainly will honor that request.
Ageless> Hsan't happened then. I think my thoughts might be triggering the start of the reaction.
rumel> OK that's good to know, I don't want to be shaken with an involuntary orgasm in the middle of discussions with a priest or something.
Ageless> I was getting a massage last week when the process started. She handled the erection OK. But it was a lot of pre body orgasm pleasure more than genital. I started to shake all over. It was sort of neat. I have another massage Wed. afternoon -- same lady ggivingg it
Ageless> Wow -- what a neat thought -- talking to a priest and having an orgasm! FAR OUT
rumel> I'll bet that happens frequently to masusesses.
rumel> FAR OUT on one level, but embarassing on another.
Ageless> I hear it does. It is supposedly the first thing they learn how to handle. OOPS -- try the first thing they learn how to deal with.
rumel> Well, it's OK by me if they can handle it.:)
Ageless> DON'T be embarassed Rumel. Be proud of what happened.
Ageless> Sex education for a priest? Far out.
Ageless> I had one who did once. It was great
rumel> Well, it hasn't happened, I just want to make sure the orgasms happen in the approrpriate venue.
Ageless> I hear you -- and agree.
Ageless> I knows a lady massage therapist in this area that will give me Tantric massages. Quite an experiece.
rumel> I wonder why you were able to log onto the Aneros site previously but are now unable to?
rumel> That is curious, I hope you can get that resolved.
rumel> When did you stop using the Aneros?
Ageless> Don't know. For a couple of times it was hit and miss. Sometimes had to log on 2 or 3 times before it would take. Then it quit all together. I got a new password, but that didn't help. I suspect AOL might be blocking it. THey do that on some other sites.
Ageless> I thank the last time was about a month ago. No pleasure there for me. Anal pulsations etc, but no prostate pleasure.
rumel> You might consider switching ISP's then.
Ageless> Ya -- have been thinking about doing that.
Ageless> Who do you use?
rumel> Do you think there might be some fur balls there related to your earlier youth abuse?
Ageless> I liked the helix
Ageless> YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rumel> I have high speed Internet through our local cable TV service.
rumel> Yes I suspect those fur balls need to be addressed before you will allow youself that intimate pleasure source.
Ageless> One I am just aware of now is that my abuser really warned me about urinating in his mouth when he was going down on me. I learned then to HOLD BACk. And it is still there ..KMSO is showing me this. The moment I start getting sexually aroused I use my PC(?) muscles to start holding back any possibility of urinating.
rumel> After all the Aneros is very much a penetrative experience, and can be quite scary even if one weren't abused.
Ageless> Any thoughts on this? And any sexual arousal might bring up memories of it.
Ageless> My abuser also tried penitration
rumel> Wow the threat of personal harm or pain from the normally natural act of reliving oneself is pretty scary.
Ageless> And so did my brother
Ageless> Once only.
rumel> This is going to require you to break that association between the two physical actions.
rumel> I think Jack can really help you step through and sort it all out.
Ageless> I think KSMO might be helping in this regard. I am working on relaxing any retention when I start feeeling sexually ar
Ageless> feeling sexually arroused
rumel> I'm a little surpised that you would have tried the Aneros in the first place.
Ageless> Hadn't thought of using him. Maybe he will see our communications tonight and respond. I know he has suggested seeing a sex therapist in this area. So did Laly. Have to find one.
rumel> I also think self-hypnosis can do some good work for you.
Ageless> Nothing tried, nothing gained.
Ageless> And I used to use it on occasion. Learned it at Esalen.
rumel> You might try writing a script for yourself, saying the kind of things you feel need to be discussed.
rumel> Then record it yourself, enter a hypnotic state and play it to yourself.
Ageless> I'll try that too. One thing at a time though.
Ageless> GREAT IDEA. Hadn't ever thought of that one.
rumel> Your mind has amazing healing abilities, we just have to engage it properly.
Ageless> Now you are talking like a shaman.
rumel> Well, I think I am talking from empathic impulses.
rumel> Maybe they are the same things?
Ageless> And here is the wildest one of all. I am a trained (by UC MED CENTER< San Francisco) sex therapist. WE never even touched on a subject like this one
Ageless> And they are supposed to be be the best!
Ageless> THey are the same thing. Shamans learn to engage the right part of the brain and stop rof brain chatter.
Ageless> try roof brain chatter
rumel> Surely They taught dealing with child molestation issues?
Ageless> Time to go and get some sleep. Its been great to chat with you Rumel. And I am looking forward to your CD. Take care!:):)
rumel> "roof brain chatter" = "mind noise" = ego consciousness
rumel> OK good night Ageless.
Ageless> NO -- They didn't. They didn't think old issues were that important. This was in the mid 1970s.
Jack> rumel and Ageless... this is a GREAT discussion! I love how open and supportive you are of one another! I've just glanced at bits of the discussion here as I'm still deep in the throes of immigration (including popping out of bed at 3 AM my time to jot more questions for my attorney, etc.). We're just days away now from the Official Landing. Will read through this chat in detail within the next few days and comment. Again, good on ya both!!! All the best, Jack
Jack> Very Warm Welcome to Newest Newbie: Searcher! Enjoy this Wonderful Community - Chat with you soon! - Jack
Laly> HI rumel
rumel> Laly, sorry, I wasn't online when you said Hi, I left you a message on your profile page. Talk to you later.
Buster> Yo Rumel! What's up?
rumel> Yo Buster! sorry I missed you too.
rumel> Buster, are you really here, as indicated on my screen?
Buster> I'm here now Rumel. I was not before.
Buster> That is a cool avatar you got for me Rumel. I like it!
Buster> I am out now though. I will chat with you later.
rumel> Buster, where art thou?
rumel> Hi marmot, how are you this evening?
rumel> Ciao!
Laly> Hi and a very warm welcome to newest member Jaybird24h!!
Laly> hi Smithie!!
Laly> hi canuck
artform> Hi Laly, canuck75 and rumel! Anyone seeing the chatbox, or all busy posting/reading?
rumel> Hi Laly, are you still here? I left a message for you in your profile page.
rumel> Hi artform
artform> Hey rumel!
artform> How are you doing?
rumel> I just posted results of my latest session.
rumel> I'm doing well, thanks for asking. How are you?
artform> I'll go and read! And return here soon. Extremely busy with other things and not much chance to practice:(
artform> Butt enjoyed the first aneros only Day-After Effect Mitochondrial-O earlier this week so not starving :)!!
artform> Read your -04 post and great for you! I think your response patterns are very promising friend. Relax and go with that flow...
rumel> I intend to!
artform> Have you read the Michael Winn Quest for Spiritual Orgasm that Pan posted for us at Aneros and I have reposted here?
rumel> I started to read it, but got distracted and didn't finish, I did print it out to read though.
artform> I find having that kind of information tucked away in the head helps me. I'm fascinated by the interaction of intellect/observation/emotion/release/sensation/aesthetic-response/regeneration/energies interact consciously and subconciously through all of this journeying...
artform> ...in addition to the vast ranges of pleasures and bliss!
rumel> One of my favorite sayings is that life is "Adventures in Consciousness".
artform> To me it seems radically reintegrative as being.
artform> agree re saying!
artform> Sorry rumel, but I'm three hours ahead of you and mrs. a has just called me to supper! Let's chat here again soon and until then all the best!
rumel> Hey Go Eat, the body does need its fuel.
Laly> hi ya rumel
Laly> i loved your latest blog post
Session stop: Fri Sep 26 23:08:21 2008